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Since J, Chris and LNILR seem otherwise engaged, and I have only Iraq on the brain, I thought I'd give an Open Thread with some links to other topics:

NYTImes and WaPo thunder against Goodling and Bush Justice Dep't.

Kevin Drum on bush and Iran.

FDL reviews ACLU President Anthony Romero's book "In Defense of Our America."

Avedon Carol has a nice roundup, featuring especially some sharp words for Gonzo and his "innocent discussions" with Monica Goodling.

Don't forget the diaries listed in the right hand column. Good stuff from John Horse, Scribe, as always, peaches and many others.

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    The true face of republicans (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Sailor on Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:43:20 PM EST
    Conservatives Hold Hour-Long Falwell Memorial On House Floor

    Senior conservative leaders joined the "special order" session, including Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO), the #2 Republican in the House, and Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA). Also speaking was Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA), who notoriously warned "American citizens" to "wake up" or "there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office."

    To many Americans, Falwell is best known for his infamous remarks claiming the 9/11 terrorist attacks were God's punishment on the United States, or that the anti-Christ is alive today and "of course he'll be Jewish."

    But on the floor of Congress yesterday, Falwell was heralded as a "great leader of America's conservative movement" whose "strong set of values" and "unshakable moral compass" had made America "a better place." "More than we all realize," one member of Congress said, "we are very blessed the he came our way."

    the party of hate, bigotry and christofascism.

    Ewwww, can we get one of those (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:52:21 PM EST
    ritual cleansings done on the House Floor now?  Sprinkle the floor with salt and sweep it out?  Have medicine men come and burn sage smudges in it?

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    while were at it (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Jen M on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:03:36 PM EST
    a methodist minister, a catholic priest, a rabbi and an Iman should bless the place.

    sounds like the begining of a joke, doesn't it

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    Mystery Flights (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by HK on Thu May 24, 2007 at 05:11:32 PM EST
    I have just watched the BBC programme that I mentioned on this thread called Mystery Flights.  I am appalled at the British government for accepting this practice of flying terrorist 'suspects' abroad for torture, as carried out by the CIA.  Seeing Condoleezza Rice on her tour of Europe with her speeches subtly geared towards promoting tolerance of unacceptable behaviour in the name of a phoney war was sickening.  I fear the actions of the US government far more than any terrorist for they are creating an atmosphere in which any deed can be justified.

    For those who were unable to catch the programme, check out this piece from the BBC.

    HK (1.00 / 2) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 24, 2007 at 10:45:04 PM EST
    Just to clarify (none / 0) (#10)
    by HK on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:22:34 AM EST
    I'm interested in human rights, not torture per se.  I did check out the link and I felt like I did hearing the descriptions in the programme - shocked that human beings will do this to one another.  One of the things that disgusted me in the Mystery Flights programme is that two of those who were tortured who have managed to get information out describe someone coming to take photos of their injuries.  One of them said that the person (a woman) expressed shock at seeing the injuries.  Which begs many questions.  Why were these photos taken?  Why did the photographer not speak out?  Where are these photos kept?  What kind of sick organisation takes photos of injuries inflicted with no view to bringing the people who did it to justice and revising their practice?  Maybe in this instance they seek the truth, but choose not to share it with everybody.

    The sad thing is that torturing people does not lead to reliable information.  If people are being put in a state of unbearable agony, they will say or sign anything if they think it will make it stop.  If the purpose of this torture is to get somebody - anybody - to pin terrorist charges on, then it is working.  But if the purpose is to find true terrorists and protect the innocent, this is far from an efficient way to go about it.

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    Of course J posts just as I say that (none / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:53:09 AM EST


    No. You're Right (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:14:25 PM EST
    I am wrapped up at work today.  An open thread is a great idea.  I'll be back tonight.

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    iraq facts (none / 0) (#3)
    by Sailor on Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:27:16 PM EST
    Morgue Data Show Increase In Sectarian Killings in Iraq

    More than three months into a U.S.-Iraqi security offensive designed to curtail sectarian violence in Baghdad and other parts of Iraq, Health Ministry statistics show that such killings are rising again.

    From the beginning of May until Tuesday, 321 unidentified corpses, many dumped and showing signs of torture and execution, have been found across the Iraqi capital, according to morgue data provided by a Health Ministry official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information. The data showed that the same number of bodies were found in all of January, the month before the launch of the Baghdad security plan.


    and
    Opium: Iraq's deadly new export
    Amid the anarchy, farmers begin to grow opium poppies, raising fears that the country could become a major heroin supplier

    Farmers in southern Iraq have started to grow opium poppies in their fields for the first time, sparking fears that Iraq might become a serious drugs producer along the lines of Afghanistan.
    [...]
    The shift to opium cultivation is still in its early stages but there is little the Iraqi government can do about it because rival Shia militias and their surrogates in the security forces control Diwaniya and its neighbourhood. There have been bloody clashes between militiamen, police, Iraqi army and US forces in the city over the past two months.


    and
    With eight days still to go, May 2007 caps the deadliest six-month period for America of the entire Iraq war


    Finally Iraq will give Americans (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 24, 2007 at 12:53:32 PM EST
    something to kill their 9/11 pain with.

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    They hate America, and everything it stands for... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:26:49 AM EST
    OK, so here's a little mental exercise: Imagine, if you will, a fringe, radical Islamist radio talk-show host who operates on shortwave and thus reaches a modest audience somewhere on the Eastern Seaboard. And this talk-show host is known for making incendiary anti-American remarks on the air.

    Not only is he inflammatory, he actually begins calling for violence, preferably assassination, to be inflicted on sitting judges and other authorities -- and then posts their home addresses on his Web site. The threats are serious enough for the State Patrol to begin providing protection for the members of the state Supreme Court.
    ...
    OK. Enough with the fantasizing. Here's the real-life case:

    The justices of the state Supreme Court have been under increased police protection for the last seven months after a self-proclaimed "pro-white" radio host from North Bergen made public their home addresses on his weekly Internet broadcast.

    The personal information was released by Hal Turner, a onetime congressional candidate who claims an audience of skinheads, neo-Nazis and Klansmen, during a broadcast hours after the justices ruled in October that gay couples are entitled to form marriage-like civil unions.

    Turner encouraged his listeners to call, write and visit the homes of four of the justices, including the then-chief justice, to show that "they can be gotten to."

    --David Neiwert

    edger (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:13:58 AM EST
    sigh.... We are engaged in a real war around the world caused by the radical beliefs of a small percentage of Moslems...

    We have a poll that says 28% of Moslems in America don't believe Moslems were responsible for 9/11, 26% of Moslems between the age of 18-29 support suicide bombing and the same age group has a favorable/somewhat view of al-Qaeda of 23% with 15% across all age groups.

    Link to Pew Poll PDF format.

    And every chance possible edger brings up some lonseome nut case as equivalent.....

    uh.... edger..... Give me a call when this guy starts taking flying lessons..

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    Not quite. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:02:34 AM EST
    We are engaged in a real war around the world caused by the radical beliefs of a small percentage of radical wingnuts...

    But you knew that. You've been cheering them on for years.

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    Caging Karl Rove (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:34:18 AM EST
    The keys: the missing emails - and missing link - that could send Griffin and his boss, Rove, to the slammer for a long, long time.

    Kingdom enough for ya?
    ...
    The Bush-Cheney operatives sent hundreds of thousands of letters marked "Do not forward" to voters' homes. Letters returned ("caged") were used as evidence to block these voters' right to cast a ballot on grounds they were registered at phony addresses. Who were the evil fakers? Homeless men, students on vacation and - you got to love this - American soldiers. Oh yeah: most of them are Black voters.

    Why weren't these African-American voters home when the Republican letters arrived? The homeless men were on park benches, the students were on vacation - and the soldiers were overseas. Go to Baghdad, lose your vote. Mission Accomplished.

    How do I know? I have the caging lists...

    Caging Karl...