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Policy over Personality: What The Netroots Should Focus On

David Brooks writes a love letter to Mark Penn:

Clinton has established this lead by repudiating the netroots theory of politics. . . . But Clinton has relied on Mark Penn, the epitome of the sort of consultant the netroots reject, and Penn’s approach has been entirely vindicated by the results so far.

. . . [T]he netroots are losing the policy battles. . . . Democratic domestic policy is now being driven by old Clinton hands like Gene Sperling and Bruce Reed.

And while Clinton may not go out of her way to offend the MoveOn types, on her TV rounds on Sunday she made it obvious that she’s not singing their tune. On “This Week With George Stephanopoulos,” Clinton could have vowed to vacate Iraq. Instead, she delivered hawkish mini-speeches that few Republicans would object to.

Is Brooks right? Hardly. Take Iraq for instance. Hillary said:

I have voted against funding this war, and I will vote against funding this war as long as it takes.

This is contra to every bit of advice given by Mark Penn and the DLC. As for other policy issues, it would be interesting to know which ones Brooks thinks Hillary is moving away from the Netroots on. Universal health insurance? Global warming? Brooks has let his hatred of bloggers cloud his judgment. More.

What is the lesson for the Netroots here? I think it is plain. Do not get bogged down in judging success by personalities and candidates. Judge success by your influence on the policy positions that become the mainstream of the Democratic Party.

Prior to this year, Hillary listend to Mark Penn and the DLC on Iraq. The Netroots won the battle with Penn and the DLC on Iraq:

MR. RUSSERT: The Daily News, your home paper in New York, said that your positions on Iraq remain a tangle of contradictory and shifting elements, and I want to go through those and see if we can sort it through for the viewers and the voters. A new brochure that you’ve passed out to the voters in New Hampshire says this: “Hillary will begin immediate phased withdrawal with a definite timetable to bring our troops home.”

When you were last on MEET THE PRESS, I asked you specifically about a definite timetable to bring troops home, and this is what you said. “I think that would be a mistake.” So don’t—“We don’t want to send a signal to the insurgents, to the terrorists that we’re going to be out of here at some, you know, date certain. I think that would be like a green light to go ahead and just bide your time.”

And then in December of ‘06: “I reject a rigid timetable that the terrorists can exploit.”

And a year ago in September of ‘06: “I’ve taken a lot of heat from my friends who’ve said, ‘Please, just, you know, throw in the towel and” “let’s get out by a date certain.’ I don’t think that’s responsible.”

You’ve changed your mind.

SEN. CLINTON: Well, the circumstances on the ground have certainly compelled me to continue to evaluate what is in the best interest of our country and our troops. And it became unfortunately clear to me that if we were to maintain the failed policy of this president, we will be entangled in Iraq with many more deaths, with very little to show for it, Tim. I have the highest admiration for General Petraeus and for his officers and the men and women on the ground in Iraq. But there is no military solution, and the failure of the Iraqi government and of the Bush administration to deal on either the political or the diplomatic front has put our young men and women at risk. There is no doubt that they can fulfill whatever military mission they’re given; they have. They were asked to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they did. They were asked to give the Iraqis the security for fair and free elections and they did. And they were asked to give the Iraqi government the space and time to start making these very difficult political decisions. Our military did everything it was asked to do. Unfortunately, I don’t think that the Iraqi government or the Bush administration has done what only they can do. And the only way to begin to keep faith with the men and women who are serving us is to begin to bring them home, and that is what I think we have to do now.

On Hillary's position on Iraq, the Netroots won. It does no good for Brooks or the Netroots to pretend otherwise.

Now the question for the Netroots is how can it affect Iraq policy now? The answer is simple - concentrate on the policy NOW as opposed to the personalities. Don't try to gin up issues for the Presidential candidates and stay focused on the issue at hand.

The issue now is how to end the Iraq Debacle. The way it can be done is by not funding it after a date certain. The Congress can do that. Let's try and win the Battle of Congress on Iraq. The Netroots already won the Battle of Hillary on Iraq.

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    You didn't read the fine print on Hillary's vow: (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Geekesque on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:32:11 AM EST
    "I will not vote for any funding that does not move us toward beginning to withdraw our troops, that does not have pressure on the Iraqi government to make the tough political decisions that they have, that does not recognize that there is a diplomatic endeavor that has to be undertaken," the New York Democrat said on "Fox News Sunday."

    Does this sound like Chris Dodd's position?  No, it is Hillary Clinton pretending to take Chris Dodd's position.  It is Hillary Clinton pretending to take the Netroots position.

    Bottom line is that the Netroots are great at extracting language from candidates, but not very successful in moving policy.

    I dunno (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:51:30 AM EST
    the quote I give here is pretty unequivocal.

    Is Hillary capable of deceiving and backtracking? Certainly.

    But the point is Brooks is wrong in saying Hillary has not adopted the so called Netroots rhetoric on Iraq. I say so called, because it is only recently that the Netroots has actually adopted that language.

    It was pretty lonely over here at Talk Left on that.
     

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    She gives a different speech depending (none / 0) (#5)
    by Geekesque on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:07:08 AM EST
    on the audience.  If she's in front of a labor union, she'll talk about how she'll do 'what it takes.'

    If she's being interviewed by the Gang of 500, she goes into Very Serious Person mode.

    This post at MYDD inadvertently makes my point (though it is meant as praise):

    Hillary wins praise for hawkishness.

    I really don't care what politicians SAY about Iraq.  Harry Reid can get up and talk about how Democrats will never, never, never, never go down without a fight on Iraq.  So what?  In the end, Bush will play the "Dems hate the troops card" and the Senate will fold like a napkin.

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    A good political campaign (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:28:58 AM EST
    would exploit that.

    Obama?

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    Hard to exploit that. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Geekesque on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:43:56 AM EST
    The perception of Hillary--even inside the Democratic party--is that she's too liberal.  She's positioned herself very well--there's no room to the right of her and she just laughs off attacks from the left.

    Obama (and Edwards) should push her for specificity and force her to choose between pleasing the Very Serious People and the base.  

    Obama is taking action on Blackwater, so we'll see how that goes.

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    Come now (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:49:01 AM EST
    Flip flopping and talking out of both sides of your mouth can ALWAYS be exploited.

    It's a no brainer frankly.

    Axelrod sucks.

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    The problem is that Democrats HATE it (none / 0) (#18)
    by Geekesque on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:33:21 AM EST
    when anyone says negative things about Hillary.  They associate it with the VRWC.

    Personally, someone should send her a pair of tap-dancing shoes.

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    Oh come now (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:37:35 AM EST
    On Iraq? Disagree.

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    Going negative is very, very , very tricky. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Geekesque on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 11:34:02 AM EST
    Once a candidate goes negative, that candidate's own negatives increase.

    Obama is at a point where he's not within striking distance of negative advertising, but he's not so low that he's in "nothing to lose" land, like Edwards is.

    He should pressure her by taking bold stands himself and making it clear where he stands.  Specificity is his friend.  Then he can go after her fence-straddling.

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    BTD... maybe... there is another explanation? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Michael Gass on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:21:42 AM EST
    Brooks is an idiot AND HRC talks out of both sides of her mouth... just saying... BOTH can be true.

    Hillary Claims That When She Is President (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:40:10 AM EST
    she will end the war and her stated plans are to maintain an occupation force in Iraq. Just more smoke and mirrors.

    Something to appeal to both sides of the argument.  

    She's moving closer. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:52:23 PM EST
    Not quite there yet, but closer...

    I guess you missed the show... (none / 0) (#3)
    by mike in dc on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:59:42 AM EST
    ...where she refused to commit to pulling all troops out of Iraq by 2012.  Kind of hard to reconcile that with "if this president won't end the war, I will".

    Still don't understand the blind spot on this blog vis a vis Clinton.

    Um (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:04:57 AM EST
    I see what she said to Russert.

    I'll check what she said to ABC.

    It seems impossible to reconcile but I am hard pressed to understand why Brooks only hears what he wants to hear?

    I have not love for hillary. I cited a transcript.

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    Check out (none / 0) (#12)
    by Warren Terrer on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:45:22 AM EST
    what Glenn Greenwald has to say today on this very same issue.

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    I saw it (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:48:16 AM EST
    and yet, to me, Glenn missed the biggest point, whch I think I point out here.

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    I think many points (none / 0) (#15)
    by Warren Terrer on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:52:46 AM EST
    can be drawn from it. You emphasized one, Glenn emphasized another.

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    True enough (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:56:27 AM EST
    And yet I think Glenn missed the big one.

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    the cynic (none / 0) (#6)
    by diogenes on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:16:58 AM EST
    Hillary is committed to ending the war if Bush doesn't, but that could be in 2016 (can you say Nixon and the Vietnam War?).
     

    Bottom line (none / 0) (#9)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:32:20 AM EST
    The only candidate who truly has a comprehensive plan for getting out of Iraq, without the pandering to the crowd-of-the-moment rhetoric, is Kucinich. If the netroots continues to support the corporate sponsored, media friendly, Bush rcommended candidate, they will become as irrelevant, powerless and historically significant as the pet rock.

    It's your choice. One of the few you have left. Pass it on. Otherwise, settle in for another long, bloddy conflict.

    Richardson would be netroot favorite (none / 0) (#17)
    by timber on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:17:15 AM EST
    If it was about Iraq Policy.

    So what happened to Richardson--drop from 13% to 1%

    Who did you think got Kos vote?   He said he voted for someone this time around.

    Dodd (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:36:54 AM EST
    would be the Netroots favorite if Iraq policy NOW was the deciding factor.

    I think Kos went with Dodd.

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    Kos says he voted Dodd in the most (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:14:49 PM EST
    recent straw poll but that only 22% guessed he did so.  "Call him louder,"  as Elijah sd.

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    This is a joke right? (none / 0) (#21)
    by aahpat on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:49:20 AM EST
    Getting the candidates to talk policy is about the most impossible this there is in America. When they do talk policy they are all always far to the right of anything that a sane pluralist American would support.

    The leading Democrats are so far to the right that there is no left or even middle represented in the Democratic leading lineup.

    Garbage! All garbage!

    In reading the linked transcript, I was impressed (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:16:28 PM EST
    the interviewer had Clinton's past statements on Iraq at hand, questioned her on those past statements, she acknowledged them, and explained why she changed her position.  

    Good idea (none / 0) (#26)
    by chemoelectric on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:43:59 PM EST
    See the subject line. :)

    If I were to focus on candidates it would be on their failure to make an issue of the even greater danger we face, global climate change. Am I right that Al Gore has noted this?

    Scientists are saying at least one meter sea level rise, in 50 to 150 years, even if we acted now. That means IMO it will be more than one meter and will take less time. Admittedly most of the sea level rise will be due to thermal expansion and will take a while, so I guess this is short term talk. Dissolved carbon dioxide will increasingly wipe out shell-building creatures and the oceans will fill with jellyfish. The destruction will be incredible.