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The Presidential Candidates In The Senate on Ending The Iraq Debacle Now

Senator Chris Dodd:

. . . Congress has an obligation here. . . . The Constitution gives the Congress of the United States a unique power, and that is the power of the purse. As long as we continue drafting these lengthy resolutions and amendments here, talking about timelines and dates, we're not getting to the fundamental power that exists in the Congress. And that is to terminate the funding of this effort here, give us a new direction.

Senator Barack Obama:

I hope and will work diligently in the Senate to bring an end to this war before I take office. And I think that it is very important at this stage, understanding how badly the president's strategy has failed, that we not vote for funding without some timetable for this war.

Senator Hillary Clinton:

I have voted against funding this war, and I will vote against funding this war as long as it takes.
Senator Joe Biden:

MR. RUSSERT: If, in fact, the president does not accept a firm withdrawal date, will you vote to cut off funding? SEN. BIDEN: . . . I will vote, as long as there’s a single troop in there that we are taking out or maintaining, either way I will vote for the money necessary to protect them, period.

Joe Biden can not stand up to George Bush and the Republicans. He will not vote to end the war. He can not be the Democratic nominee.

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    Your wish is granted. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Geekesque on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:12:28 AM EST
    That was easy.

    Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:14:52 AM EST
    Now he needs to hammer it.

    Now they all need to hammer it.

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    And not backtrack (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:06:27 AM EST
    or say the opposite depending on the venue...

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    Joe Biden (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:21:35 AM EST
    will not stand up to George Bush and the Republicans.

    But Joe Biden will, with his statement "I will vote, as long as there's a single troop in there that we are taking out or maintaining, either way I will vote for the money necessary to protect them", actively and knowingly perpetuate a lie. The lie that not funding the occupation equals not funding the troops.

    Why
    , Joe? Are you dumb enough to believe that voters are as stupid as you treat them? Are you dumb enough to believe that insulting their intelligence will win you support?

    Emergency supplemental funding for a war or for an occupation is not for the troops. It never has been for the troops. It will never be for the troops.

    NOT passing emergency supplemental funding does not hurt the troops. It never has hurt the troops. It will never hurt the troops.

    Not passing emergency supplemental funding is simply NOT FUNDING the occupation. That is all it is.
    ...
    The TROOPS are funded by regular appropriations. DOD budget. Emergency supplemental funding has nothing to do with "funding the troops".
    ...
    Defunding the occupation of Iraq and withdrawing or redeploying the troops does not hurt the troops. It helps them to stay alive.

    --Defunding Iraq: Misperceptions, Disinformation And Lies

    And don't forget.... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by dutchfox on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:25:22 PM EST
    Looks like Joe Biden (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:34:24 PM EST
    is chopping up Joe Biden...

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    take a deep breath (1.00 / 1) (#4)
    by HeadScratcher on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:27:20 AM EST
    Is it possible he can be wrong and not dumb?

    Is he lying or just interpreting things differently than you?

    I would never vote for the guy but chill on the personal attacks.

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    If he's wrong in believing (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:05:12 AM EST
    that not funding the occupation equals not funding the troops, then he's dumb. If he's not wrong and he knows it then he's lying.

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    Correction... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:12:21 AM EST
    If he's wrong in believing that funding the occupation equals funding the troops........

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    Oh, the MFin' Irony of IT ALL (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by po on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:11:12 PM EST
    So, from TP,

    Congress quietly passes billions for Iraq.

    Yesterday, the Senate voted 94-1 for "a stop-gap spending bill that gives the Bush White House at least $9 billion in new funding" for the Iraq war. Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) was the sole dissenter in the Senate; the House voted 404-14 to approve the measure. Congress also granted the administration "emergency authority to tap further into a $70 billion `bridge fund'" for the occupation while "Congress works on appropriations bills."

    Guess who voted for it . . . Dodd.  So much for that leadership thing, huh?

    But if they were (none / 0) (#5)
    by Wile ECoyote on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:04:10 AM EST
    to take office before the troops are out, then the troops will stay.  That is what was said on the sunday shows by Hillary, Obama, and Edwards.

    Don't just beat up on Joe (none / 0) (#9)
    by po on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:16:28 AM EST
    All of the "top tier" candidates have nice words, but each knows that their words are useless.  The leadership has chosen that it would be inconvenient to do what is necessary to actually cut off the funding for the occupation.  

    Here is the problem, FOR ALL OF THEM, in a nutshell:

    In response to Gravel's suggestion that the Democratic Senators do the following:

    "Well, the first thing, you stop the debate by voting every single day on cloture. Every day. Twenty days, and you'll overcome cloture.

    The president vetoes the law. It comes back to the Congress. And in the House at noon every single day you vote to override the president's veto. And in 40 days, the American people will have weighed in, put the pressure on those.

    You tell me that the votes aren't there -- you go get them by the scruff of the neck, that's what you do. You make them vote."

    Mr. Dodd said:

    "I think it's a little unrealistic to assume every single day you do that, Mike. But certainly you can do this when the opportunity arises."

    Why is it unrealistic.  Last I checked, we're in Iraq doing what we're doing (which each one of these candidates believes is one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in this nation's history and which is certainly costing us waayyyy too much in lives, prestige and treasure) "every single day."  Why can't Congress do it's job "every single day."  It's really not too much to ask because, apparently, without pressure there will be no peace.

    OK (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:31:07 AM EST
    They need to scared spitless... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:50:26 AM EST
    ...if leading Democrats heard enough people say to them that they will not vote for ANY Democrats next year EXCEPT Democrats who have been vocally, and by their votes on supplementals, calling for total withdrawal from Iraq they would quickly notice.

    They are politicians after all, and they are concerned with winning elections.

    They would notice if enough people turned the tables on them and used fear to motivate them, instead of voting simply out of fear of republicans.

    If Democrats were filled with fear that they would lose Congress and the presidency UNLESS the occupation was ended before the 2008 elections, they would end the occupation of Iraq.



    WSWS on Democratic presidential candidates (none / 0) (#14)
    by Andreas on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:43:32 PM EST
    The Democratic Party's pretense of opposing the war in Iraq has largely collapsed following a series of defeats in the US Senate last week of Democratic-sponsored legislation proposing timetables for partial "redeployment" of the more than 160,000 troops currently occupying the country.

    Nothing could make clearer the real position of the party, however, than the Democratic debate Wednesday night in New Hampshire, in which all three of the party's leading presidential candidates--Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former Senator John Edwards--refused to commit themselves, if elected, to withdrawing all American troops from Iraq by the beginning of their second term--in 2013.

    Democratic presidential candidates: US troops could stay in Iraq until 2013
    By Bill Van Auken, 28 September 2007


    Joe Biden just wants to be on Charlie Rose (none / 0) (#15)
    by chemoelectric on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:22:02 PM EST
    See the subject line re Biden.

    I think maybe it is time to back Chris Dodd instead of John Edwards.

    This is assuming that Al Gore doesn't get more fed up with the lack of anything on global climate change.