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Obama Nevada Flyer: "You Can Be A Democrat For One Day"

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:51:43 PM EST
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An Obama Nevada precinct captain (Taylor Marsh has a copy of the flier) is circulating a flier with the following language:

You can be a Democrat for one day. Vote for Obama and then return to your voting status as you chose [sic].

Everyone regardless of party is welcome to be a Democrat for one day and vote. Republicans, Independents, Everyone, you can make THE difference. If you think a Democrat will win in November and you don't want Hillary you can come to the Democratic Caucus and vote for Obama.

As I have said before, Obama is a fighter for Obama. He is not a fighter for the Democratic Party or Democratic values. This flyer is emblematic of everything that is wrong with the Obama campaign. Be a Democrat FOR A DAY. For Obama. But not for the Democratic Party or for Democratic values.

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    Wow. Way to rally the Hillary Hater (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:01:39 PM EST
    vote.

    I thought HRC might lose NV because of the union endorsement of Obama and the casino caucus venues.  Maybe not.

    This may thoroughly confound (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:25:18 PM EST
    teh pollsters yet again.  Did Obama flyer energize females to turn out for HRC in NV?

    ..and with the caucuses (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by TheRealFrank on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:29:10 PM EST
    I think it's wrong for a campaign to appeal to that, but then again: they'll do whatever it takes to win, within the rules of the system. And if the rules of the system allow this, expect campaigns to try to take advantage of it.

    But you're right, the "Democrat for a day" line isn't pretty.

    And btw, thanks -- I've made TalkLeft my main blog to read now that I've become burned out by the senseless shouting over at dKos. I like it.

    (of course, better not become too popular, or the shouting will follow people over here..)

    Worse than shouting there (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:31:57 PM EST
    last night, IMO.  Clay feet very much exposed.

    P.S.  There is some shouting here too, but nevermind.

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    Which reminds me. Any comment (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:37:19 PM EST
    on Kos's imploring DKers to cross-over and vote for Romney in MI?

    Keith Olberman also posted there today (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:41:03 PM EST
    I'm thinking tonight I will be taking a break from the insanity of the Democratic race just to watch BillO's hair light itself on fire ;)  All work and no play means I'll probably forget to grab the butt paste and my chap may not heal by tomorrow.

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    Upon Rereading (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:48 PM EST
    This is the most infuriating part:

    If you think a Democrat will win in November and you don't want Hillary you can come to the Democratic Caucus and vote for Obama.

    That's not even an appeal to vote for Obama in November.  It doesn't say, if you plan on voting Democratic in November, then select your candidate now.  It basically says - stop Hillary now.  

    Obama really needs to distance himself from this flyer.  It's one thing to be claiming he's bringing Indys and Reps. to the Dems, it's another to basically be running Kos's Michigan campaign in Nevada.

    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:58:02 PM EST
    Are you interested in blaming Hillary for his surrogates work HERE? Why?

    BTW, we hold the Clinton campaign accountable for the actions of their surrogates -- read about Shaheen and others.

    But you do not like it when we do the same to Obama.

    That is the reaction I see all the time.

    If they (none / 0) (#71)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:14:33 PM EST
    were guily of dog whistle politics, I'd agree.  I think the people blowing the dog whistle are the media, after selectively picking quotes from people.  That's just wrong but done all the time now.


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    Then I'll (none / 0) (#84)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:27:34 PM EST
    just respectfully disagree.


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    For the (none / 0) (#107)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:51:24 PM EST
    most part, yes we'd still disagree.  Especially on the so-called MLK/LBJ stuff.  That's totally bogus in my view.


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    Second sentence: definitely (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:55:34 PM EST


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    To me "shuck and jive" (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:05:01 PM EST
    spoken by a savvy politician does have racial overtones, but in reading the whole statement, it was clear to me he was not referring to Barack Obama.  He was saying no candidate can get away with pontificating in caucus states. I also don't attribute his statements to the Clinton campaign.

    I haven't heard anyone refer to Obama or anyone else as a "drug dealer."  User, yes--he sd. it himself.  I don't see anyone else referring to his use of drugs in his use as a racist comment.

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    Certainly Caucasian Democrats (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:33:30 PM EST
    can be racist.  That is a given.

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    Frankly, you (none / 0) (#138)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:49:00 PM EST
    may have had a point initially, but I think you're now just full of it.  Of course White democrats can be racist but so can Black democrats.  D-Punjab ring any bells?

    Shuck and jive is not a phrase limited to African Americans in my part of the world.  Here it would be used to denote any con, like the stuff politicians do for the crowd.  If it's used differently in other parts of the country, I wouldn't know, but then again I'm not very race-centric in outlook.

    My Southern White Male butt does not consider 'kid' in any way equivalent to calling a Black man a 'boy'.  I suggest that you have no idea what Bill Clinton did or did not know.  Just like I certainly don't know what you think as an African American, but then again I don't pretend to know.  It appears we do have a wall between us after all.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#148)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:42:48 PM EST
    we probably have more agreement than you'd think.  On these specifics, well maybe not.  D-Punjab actually came from an Obama campaign memo sent to the press, not for attribution, which went wide.

    The campaign actually admitted doing it and said it was a mistake.  This is pretty much what Clinton did when Bill Shaheen brought up the drug use junk.  He resigned from her campaign.  In both these cases, I think the campaigns acted admirably.

    By the way, I personally believe the media had more to do with stoking the fires of this fight than either of the campaigns.  Why would I think that, simple, because it's a loser for both sides and neither Clinton nor Obama are dumb.

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    I agree Ralph (none / 0) (#100)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:38:24 PM EST


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    I'm sorry, but that's not an answer (none / 0) (#150)
    by jr on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 03:52:39 AM EST
    Are you equating, say, Bob Johnson (who introduced Hillary at a rally) and Mr. Buchanan (who had a printer and too much free time)?

    Do you really think this comes close to a 1-for-1 comparison?  Are you considering every campaign volunteer a "surrogate"?  I think you might be able to make an argument that McClurkin was, but making that argument about the guy with the inkjet is a bit of a stretch.

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    No (none / 0) (#152)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 08:44:07 AM EST
    I do not recall equating them.

    If you make up your own facts you are likely to confuse yourself.

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    Reread what you wrote (none / 0) (#153)
    by jr on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:10:14 AM EST
    BTW, we hold the Clinton campaign accountable for the actions of their surrogates -- read about Shaheen and others.

    But you do not like it when we do the same to Obama.

    That's not equating them?  You specifically cite Shaheen, undeniably a high-ranking surrogate for Clinton, then say you do "the same" to Obama--sure as hell sounds like you're equating Buchanan with a surrogate like Shaheen to me.

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    ABC News talked to the precinct captain (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:17:34 PM EST
    Buchanan told ABC News that after leaving about 100 of the fliers in mail slots and doors yesterday he realized the message he was sending was "negative."

    "This is not Obama," he says he thought to himself.

    So today he changed the second side of the flier to make it instead positive things about Obama, he says, instead of negative about Clinton. "It says, 'Obama spoke against the war when it wasn't popular,' rather than focus on Hillary."

    He distributed more than 100 of the new flier today, he says, still targeting independents and Republicans. "Here in Nevada, we've never had a caucus before. So a lot of independents and Republicans didn't know that they could vote."

    Buchanan says the Obama campaign didn't know about his flier. "I've been trying to reach them today, but Obama's in Reno today so it's been tough to reach them," he says.

    Neither the Obama nor Clinton campaigns commented to ABC News.

    Buchanan has had his 15 min. of fame. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:19:04 PM EST


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    That may be (none / 0) (#85)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:28:11 PM EST
    the comment of the day.

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    Obama Does Not Repudiate It (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:28:36 PM EST
    Via Talking Points Memo, here's Obama's campaign spokesman on the flyer:

    We've learned that one individual who volunteers for the campaign was making the flyer and we've instructed him to stop creating and distributing it. But make no mistake, we want as many independents and Republicans to become Democrats and help to build a new governing majority in this country.

    Hardly a repudiation.

    Here's what the new flyer says:

    Republicans, Independents, Everyone. You can make the difference if you think a Democrat will win in November and you have said anybody but Hillary.

    Yes, that's much, much better. Clearly this precinct captain was completely out of step with the Obama campaign. /sarcasm

    BDB, seriously, (none / 0) (#93)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:31:59 PM EST
    we want as many independents and Republicans to become Democrats and help to build a new governing majority in this country.
    what's wrong with that? It's not at all what the flunky's flier said.

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    Nothing in and of itself (none / 0) (#101)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:38:24 PM EST
    But by adding it on to his disclaimer about the flyer, he's basically reinforcing the message of the flyer.  That's particularly true when you read the new flyer.  

    If they really disagreed with it, they'd say so.  But they didn't.  Instead, they've reinforced the original message.  

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    Well, I'm not going to argue, but (none / 0) (#105)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:45:55 PM EST
    my reading of the flier was "be a Dem for a day and then switch back to whatever you were before," while the quote you gave us was "become a Dem" with no suggestion of switching back.

    Big difference in my view.

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    God forbid (none / 0) (#94)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:32:08 PM EST
    people participate in democracy

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    Yes (none / 0) (#106)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:47:02 PM EST
    Clearly I'm against democracy because I don't want to empower rightwing nutjobs to pick the Democratic nominee.  

    Note the new flyer still does not say that crossovers should vote democratic in November 2008.  It only says they should participate in the caucuses if they "think a Democrat will win in November."  So it's not encouraging Obama supporters, who very well might show up in November and vote for him, it's actively encouraging Hillary haters, many of whom are not going to vote for any Democrat.  

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    We have learned that when Bob Johnson (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:43:00 PM EST
    introduced HRC yesterday, he beat around the bush when what he really meant to say was that Obama used drugs including marijuana and coke in his younger years.  But make no mistake, HE DID.

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    This is the ultimate example of a (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:05:33 PM EST
    non-issue.

    that is (none / 0) (#2)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:07:14 PM EST
    totally disgusting....He wants to win, even at the expense of the democratic party....How incredibly selfish of him and his people....Now the republicans will flock to him to vote in Nevada caucus because he is the easiest beaten in the general election. I am sooooooo mad....I wasnt even a strong supporter of Hillary before but now I really am......

    How is it at the expense (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:11:28 PM EST
    of the Dem party, if these people will show up to a caucus to ate against her, guess what, they are going to show up in a general.

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    To vote against Hillary (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:14:40 PM EST
    if she is the nominee.


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    yes that is what (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:21:13 PM EST
    i meant so say

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    And other Dems? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:22:58 PM EST
    Obama for Obama!

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    i'm not defending him (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:36:21 PM EST
    please don't get confused.  These people just want to show up to vote against her, weather they do it now or in November, all I'm pointing out

    Surprise Obama is in it to win too.

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    To Vote for Obama? (none / 0) (#5)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:15:28 PM EST
    Maybe they show up in the general to vote for Obama.  Maybe they think he's the least offensive Democratic candidate and they're hedging their bets on the general because the polls make them think the Republican is likely to lose and they'd rather lose to Obama than Clinton.  So they knock Clinton out now and then vote Republican in November.  

    But even if you assume these people will show up in November for Obama, what on earth would make you think they will vote a straight democratic ticket?  Indeed, doesn't Obama's rhetoric about unity and bipartisanship give them permission to split their ticket?  

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    Doesn't it boil down to the question of (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:18:32 PM EST
    who is most electable, Obama or Clinton?  I've always thought the cross-over voters could be gaming, trying to select the Dem. candidate the Republicans would most like to oppose in the GE.

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    Support Edwards (none / 0) (#6)
    by pioneer111 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:18:12 PM EST
    Latest NV poll - Edwards almost statistical tie

    Barack Obama: 32%
    Hillary Clinton: 30%
    John Edwards: 27%

    Edwards is NOT done by a long shot.

    Not that I believe polls that much but this was unexpected for me.  There is stronger support for Edwards than people realize and he is the best against McCain


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    So, does this mean I can claim that (none / 0) (#8)
    by Geekesque on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:19:06 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton was involved in the decision to spread the madrassa rumor?

    Because a precinct captain is actually a lower position than a county chair.

    Has Obama's campaign (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:21:21 PM EST
    axed the precinct capt. yet?

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:22:51 PM EST
    Because all Obama has to do is denounce the flyer and get rid of the precinct captain like Clinton did to her volunteers caught spreading the email.  They aren't responsible for them until they decide not to do anything about them.  Of course, so far Obama hasn't gotten rid of anyone that I know of, no matter how awful his or her behavior so I'm not going to hold my breath.

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    Since when. . . (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:27:28 PM EST
    So, does this mean I can claim that Hillary Clinton was involved in the decision to spread the madrassa rumor?

    . . . are you not claiming that Clinton wasn't responsible for that?

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    zing! (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:29:49 PM EST


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    Didn't Bill Clinton, in his radio interview, (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:20:08 PM EST
    make a comment about the lowly status of precinct captains?

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    I do not know what you wil claim (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:21:31 PM EST
    I said this was EMBLEMATIC of what is wrong with the Obama campaign.

    This flyer is in keeping with its entire theme.

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    Pretty obtuse for Obama or (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:23:00 PM EST
    any of his campaign minions to move the media attention away from Bob Johnson's remarks so quickly.

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    Obama has 2000 precinct captains (none / 0) (#21)
    by Geekesque on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:24:35 PM EST
    in Las Vegas alone.

    Precinct captains freelance a bunch of the stuff they do.

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    Emblematic (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:26:37 PM EST
    Look it up.

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    Equating (none / 0) (#151)
    by jr on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 03:57:36 AM EST
    BTW, we hold the Clinton campaign accountable for the actions of their surrogates -- read about Shaheen and others.

    But you do not like it when we do the same to Obama.

    Sure sounds like you're equating surrogates with precinct captains to me.

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    Yes, just like the madrassa email blast (none / 0) (#18)
    by Geekesque on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:23:51 PM EST
    was emblematic of what is wrong with the Clinton campaign, as Billy Shaheen, Machine Gun Bob Kerrey, Billionaire Bob Johnson, Mark Penn, et al have demonstrated.

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    I've seen that argument made (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:26:06 PM EST
    by you.

    The difference to me is that the Clinton campaign itself, from the candidate on down, is not running that type of campaign as far as I can tell.

    The Unity Schtick Is CENTRAL to what Obama has been about.

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    The title to your post (none / 0) (#97)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:35:29 PM EST
    is very ironic given how long this country chose unity over dealing with slavery and how well that all turned out.

    And, no, I don't think I'm being overly dramatic. Some of the worst injustices in U.S. and world history have come about because people valued unity about all else.

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    I certainly agree (none / 0) (#129)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:30:45 PM EST
    that folks have been voting against their interests after being played by politicians.

    I, however, have no interest in unity unless by unity you mean Democrats band together and drive Republicans out of office and into the political hinterlands where they can have all the time in the world to think about the crimes they've committed against this country.  Unfortunately, I don't think that's the kind of unity Obama is talking about.  Obama's kind is where we all let by-gones be by-gones, everyone admits that we are all to blame for the problems we face, and we all hold hands and agree to face the future together.  At least until the Republicans regroup and take him down and then go about doing the same thing they've been doing because they've learned nothing having been let off the hook for any kind of accountability.  

    Screw.  That.

    Edwards, OTOH, talks about my kind of unity.  But, you're right, he's not going to win anything.  He's got great rhetoric, but not much of a campaign beyond Iowa.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#130)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:31:10 PM EST


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    Which is why (none / 0) (#23)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:25:14 PM EST
    he won't denounce it or get rid of the precinct captain.  

    I'd love to be wrong about that, but Obama has cared way more about attracting independents and republicans than he has democrats.  I was hoping that would change after NH, where Dems helped put Clinton over the top, but I fear it's only convinced him to go after independents and republicans harder.

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    Wavering, I see! (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:23:48 PM EST


    Can We Start This Election Cycle Over (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:27:03 PM EST
    with a completely different slate of candidates?

    This whole thing has gotten out of control.

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    No cursing (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:24:19 PM EST


    Sorry n/t (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:25:10 PM EST


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    Now I'm chapped (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:31:53 PM EST
    This is B.S. Obama!  Grrrrrrr, this primary stuff is getting flat repulsive and stupid and gee, outside of gleefully wallowing in Hillaryhate what were the issues again?  I see Bob Johnson rose from the dead at Orange with another No Hillary diary and now one is up saying The Murdoch lied about Obama and the proHillary are spreading The Murdoch lie.  I don't care if my momma wears army boots, I just wanna go home!

    I'm with you MT. (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:33:46 PM EST
    Let me know if and when Kos speaks re Bob Johnson's diary.  Then I may venture back but not before.

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    Now I've done it (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:14:36 PM EST
    I've questioned the Geek and I will pay, I will pay I tell you!  Do I dare make a note that the "bad" song is claimed to have been played when Obama and spouse take the stage and point out that his clips are only of Obama on stage?  Do I want to do this all night into the wee hours?  Would I like to have a life of my own ;-)?  Count me stupid for not keeping my big mouth shut!

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    Oh good. I'm getting really bored (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:16:22 PM EST
    kwith the flyer scandal.  

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    Okay, I see Michelle in them (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:28:37 PM EST
    watching them a second time.  Still don't understand why no denials from Obama camp and why original story is being stuck to if it's so false.  I think they just need to pick better music myself.  Our teenager has played much worse stuff in our own house, while campaigning though choice of music matters and no denials yet.

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    Do I want to hear the song? No. (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:30:11 PM EST


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    Supposedly the New York Post is saying (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:59:14 PM EST
    that a nasty rap song that went "I got 99 problems, but a b*tch ain't one." was playing in Iowa before the Obama victory speech.  The Post is sticking to the story and the Obama camp has given no denials, and Geek is having a fit because he has video of Obama entering and taking the stage and the song wasn't playing then, but you know how those things go.  You stand there waiting for the candidate to make the appearance and they are playing one thing and then usually as candidate is about to show his/her face something special is cued up and starts playing for their entrance.  Geek is calling anyone who questions him a "Fox News Democrat".  I'm not saying Obama had anything to do with it, just for God's sake choose music carefully and I said that for rappers I would choose Will Smith....but I was bad and I'm a Fox News Democrat, which makes me giggle.  I guess I only focused on Obama the first time I watched the videos because I was only listening for music.

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    Will Smith is a rapper (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:04:27 PM EST
    I know this for a fact because we had a rap war in this house as to what was fit for family consumption and I lived with two musicaholics at the time.  Will Smith is a rapper.

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    But I'm fairly certain that Will Smith (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:10:01 PM EST
    is not a raper ;)  His lyrics cause me to suspect this.

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    You just said that Will Smith (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:33:56 PM EST
    has no cred and yet he is probably the first rapper to hit the industry and you call yourself a purist?  He writes songs that use all of his words and he has no skill?  He writes songs that this whole family sings under their breath and he has no skills.........really?

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    I meant what I meant (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:57:13 PM EST
    he was one of the first rappers known and one of the first to introduce rap into the mainstream.  Why do I have to ask your favorite rappers to define for me what a rapper is?  Isn't that a little biased?

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    I never called him dog whistle anything (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:01:11 PM EST
    I'm an issues girl.  If he responds to issues I like that.  This might have gone virtually unnoticed because the story was mostly about candidate music choice but Geek is making sure that it gets much more notice and maybe not to his candidates advantage either.

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    Nobody said that running for President was (none / 0) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:07:05 PM EST
    going to be easy and certainly nobody is just going to give it to you.  This hasn't been easy for any of the candidates, even the poor Republicans get flogged.

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    Hmmm. "Flogged." What are (none / 0) (#119)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:08:43 PM EST
    the ramifications of your choice of words?  BTW:  did you notice Bob Johnson, the BET CEO, used the word "denigrate"?  

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    I think both Clinton and Obama (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:25:50 PM EST
    are being flogged at the moment.  The really wrong portion of the flogging is that their own supporters are getting so crazed they are now flogging their own candidates seemingly unaware of who they are helping to flog now.  It's really wild out there man.  And Bob Johnson the diarist writes a hit diary on Hillary like he did right before her N.H. win and then arises again days later with another one........somebody make it stop because if he didn't want people to support Hillary based on HIS words he needs to realize that he has lost that ability now when writing Hillary hit diaries.  I've liked his diaries about the primaries, they seemed balanced and then the cheese slipped off the cracker some place.

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    Did you say "cracker?" (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:28:40 PM EST
    Choose your words...

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    It just figures on this board (none / 0) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:35:12 PM EST


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    I did choose my words (none / 0) (#140)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:54:59 PM EST
    I made reference to food and didn't say anything about b*tches which used in the context it was sung in if sung is a vile reference to women.  The word I used taken out of context could be something different but that would be you doing that.  Flogging was first used to describe something that religious fanatics did to themselves but if you want to take that out of context also fine.

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    MT. I was kidding. For real. (none / 0) (#143)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:58:21 PM EST
    I guess oculus is the only one who understands dry humor on this board.

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    I'm sorry, at first I thought you were (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:11:20 PM EST
    then I thought maybe not.  I've read three too many candidate flame diaries today ;(

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    All good. (none / 0) (#145)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:22:59 PM EST


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    And don't be saying anything about my (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:29:46 PM EST
    cracker wording now.  I just read what I wrote and I know you fell on the floor laughing, because I'm talking about saltines and the cheese is cheese and has nothing to do with rewards ;)  I'm talking about having a nice snack and looking down and everything has gone wrong and no snack.

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    Perhaps that is the right move (none / 0) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:27:08 PM EST
    to make in this situation.  If I were Geek though I would remove that diary he has up because he is only helping to create a situation where Obama needs to respond.

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    I think otherwise (none / 0) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:48:26 PM EST
    fuel is fuel.

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    reallity check (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:39:00 PM EST
    There are republicans that hate Hillary so much they will vote for Mitt Romney over her, vote in a Dem caucus.  Why can't Obama capitalize of that, it isn't his fault they hate her.

    Try that one again. (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:41:38 PM EST


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    Before we get too exercised, (none / 0) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:47:46 PM EST
    are we 100% sure the whole thing's legit? ie, the flier is from Obama? That that "flier" exists at all? Some funky writing and punctuation in that thing...

    Rove did it. (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:53:18 PM EST


    Always. (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:54:31 PM EST
    Book review in NYT yesterday about a Republican dirty tricks guy who has his own company.  No, he hadn't given the book to his mom and dad just yet.  

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    and taylor (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:42 PM EST
    marsh has no sympathies in this race either.

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    "Vote for Obama (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:15:10 PM EST
    and then return to your voting staus as you chose"

    "Call Bob Buchanan - your precint captian"

    If you want to see, not just change in Washington, but the politics in Washington change

    Even Marsh has spell & grammar check.

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    oops "staus" was my typo. Hmm, maybe I (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:16:12 PM EST
    made up the flier...

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    Were the letters cut out of a newspaper? (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:17:36 PM EST
    Is Bob Buchanan a Dem. NV precinct captain?  Is there DNA on any of the flyers?

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    Well it turns out (none / 0) (#49)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:18:59 PM EST
    that the 99 problems was false, so i think it is fair to ask questions.

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    They stuck the letters on with scotch tape. (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:26:00 PM EST
    If you look closely you can see finger prints caught on the sticky side.

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    "Senator Obama will be introduced in Reno (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:35:56 PM EST
    by precinct captain Tammy Soong;"

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    That was the flyer (none / 0) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:18:41 PM EST
    Not Marsh.

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    Read slower. (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:19:21 PM EST


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    [Googling of flyer Buchanan Nevada (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:34:21 PM EST
    ]Obama] only brings up TalkLeft and Taylor Marsh.  Las Vegas newspaper:  nada]

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    There's a (none / 0) (#55)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:39:36 PM EST
    phone number on the flyer.  Call it and find out if you have doubts.


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    No need. Confirmed by Bob Buchanan (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:49:07 PM EST
    himself to ABC:

    ABC

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    According to (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:51:42 PM EST
    Huffpo
    The flier was put out by Bob Buchanan, a volunteer organizer for Obama in Reno. Buchanan, who insists that Obama's campaign had no connection to the literature, said he distributed approximately 100 copies of the flier before rewriting it, replacing criticism of Clinton with compliments of Obama.


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    interesting read in Jan 21 (none / 0) (#51)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:21:44 PM EST
    issue of The New Yorker by Ryan Lizza about Obama and Clinton...it is availble online at the website.  Nothing earthshaking, just thought you might want to know - nice summary.

    ps - imo, the flyer is low grade and sad.

    I think you are incorrect on your first premise. (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:57:38 PM EST
    Andrew Cuomo was deemed an endorser of HRC's candidacy and thus his comments were "blamed" on her campaign at Talk Left.

    That's because I support Obama (none / 0) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:58:23 PM EST


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    Of course. (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:00:06 PM EST


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    Then you think it is o.k. to (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:05:59 PM EST
    attribute the actions of the rogue precinct captain to Obama?  Should Obama disavow those actions and clarify whether he had any advance knowledge of the flyer?  

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    Done (none / 0) (#69)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:11:56 PM EST
    according to Huffpo:
    Ben Labolt, spokesperson for Obama, also asserted that Buchanan was operating as an independent agent. "This is not a campaign document," Labolt said, "and our campaign had no knowledge of it before it surfaced in the media."


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    Good one: "independent agent" (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:13:35 PM EST
    be better legally to call him an independent contractor.  

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    He's an unpaid volunteer. No legal contract, afaik (none / 0) (#73)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:15:20 PM EST


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    I assume (none / 0) (#79)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:21:48 PM EST
    that Obama has asked him to step down as precinct captain since that's what Clinton did to the volunteers in Iowa?

    Or is this another case where Obama blames something on a staffer and then nothing happens to said staffer?

    Or perhaps he'll call Hillary and apologize personally the way Clinton did to him after the Shaheen statements?

    Yeah, I'm not holding my breath, either.

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    no one on TalkLeft (none / 0) (#83)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:26:06 PM EST
    blamed Cuomo on Clinton, he's not a surrogate. If they did, I missed it and will correct it.

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    I'll wait for the results of your (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:37:11 PM EST
    investigation.

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    makes Obama's campaign look awful (none / 0) (#63)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:00:25 PM EST
    This pandering has to stop and Obama best come out and make a statement against it NOW!!!! I cannot how bad this flyer is.....

    Hey, Bob Buchanan sd. on ABC (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    he has been trying to reach Obama all day.  

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    Story needs to be udated. Check link (none / 0) (#78)
    by byteb on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:19:36 PM EST
    Jake Tapper:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/calling-all-ind.html

    An Obama Reno precinct captain printed 100 of the fliers and distributed them. However, afterwards, he realized that "This is not Obama"
    and printed positive fliers for distribution.

    It seems this was not an Obama directed attack but the independent action of one idiot precinct captain.

    Do you believe Bob Buchanan? (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:23:13 PM EST
    He is a much, much better spinner than Bob Johnson, got to admit.

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    Then I'm Sure (none / 0) (#81)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:24:13 PM EST
    Obama will ask him to step down as precinct captain.

    Again, I have no problem granting a candidate some breathing room in these matters given the number of volunteers involved in their campaigns.  But they have to repudiate it and then fix it.

    Have we even seen Obama repudiate it?  The staffer has said this isn't Obama, but has Obama?  

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    Obama went to Harvard. I'm sure (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:25:33 PM EST
    he is a better speller than evidence by the initial flyer.

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    This is a fairy tale (none / 0) (#89)
    by moonwood on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:29:13 PM EST
    Where's the flyer - links, anything that proves that you didn't make this up?

    Obama's campaign (none / 0) (#91)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:30:32 PM EST
    has admitted it.

    See my post right above this one.

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    the msm has reprinted the flyer (none / 0) (#95)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:32:43 PM EST
    I think this is your first comment here. Please read the commenting rules. Please don't make accusations and don't post obviously false comments. The msm has reprinted the flyer. One example.

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    There is nothing new (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:28:56 PM EST
    in this. In fact, it is not illegal, immoral or fattening....well maybe it is snarky...

    Link

    In states with open primaries/caucuses it has been the practice for a very long time for one side to try and get others to cross over, based on a variety of reasons. At the state level it is often to try and elect a candidate that the crossovers feel can't win in the general.

    I would say that the Feds should step in, but I'm not sure what power they have in setting the rules of a political party....

    It's a national strategy---using (none / 0) (#134)
    by MarkL on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:36:39 PM EST
    the "Democrat for a day" pitch---at least according to


    I am confused (none / 0) (#149)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:20:49 PM EST
    isnt this what somebody here said kos was doing to get Dems to switch for a day and vote for Romney?

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