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Obama Rejects Racial Charges Against Clinton

This is great news and I applaud Senator Obama for doing this:
ABC News' David Wright, Andy Fies, and Sunlen Miller Report: Sen. Barack Obama told ABC News Monday there is nothing in Sen. Hillary Clinton's record that would give him any cause for concern about her in terms of racial politics. Asked how Obama interpreted two recent remarks by the Clintons that prompted an angry reaction from some in the Black community, Obama sought to damp down the racial dynamics of the controversy. . . . "I don't think it was in any way a racial comment," Obama told ABC News. "That's something that has played out in the press. That's not my view."
I know many will question Obama's motives, saying the politics had started to run away from him, but I do not care. I am thrilled he has put an end to this from his camp's perspective. I heartily applaud him.

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    I Agree (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:35:08 PM EST
    There are other things he said as part of this that I could dissect, but I'm not going to.  Instead, good on him.  Now if we can get his people to do the same and if we can get Clinton supporters to stop stepping in it every other day, we might be getting somewhere.  Because this entire thing has hurt everyone involved, IMO.  

    Time for me to follow his lead. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Geekesque on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:09:24 PM EST
    He is fit to be president, I am not.

    Dream Ticket (none / 0) (#18)
    by magster on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:18:23 PM EST
    Geekesque / Taylor Marsh

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    Ick. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Geekesque on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:45:36 PM EST
    I wouldn't want to be in the same room as her, let alone the same ticket.

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    facebook voting (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Kota415 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:29:54 PM EST
    i just did that facebook voting thing. I voted for Obama of-course. and its good to see that he has 44% of the popularity vote on facebook. You can also vote for what issues most concern you. Then after you vote you can see who ranks highest in you area and what issues your area caress about. You guys need to try this. or at-least just check it out. This could change a lot of political issues in your area. Thanks LetsDoIt90.

    James Clyburn on (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:50:51 PM EST
    Charlie Rose, good interview.

    I guess I agree... (1.00 / 1) (#3)
    by OrangeFur on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:00:09 PM EST
    But it's way too late for that. This is like saying paying someone $100 after wrecking their car on purpose.

    So...you're saying what (none / 0) (#5)
    by oldpro on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:11:01 PM EST
    about Senator Obama?  Hmmm?  Spit it out.  We've had more than enough innuendo and suspicion on this topic.  Say what the Hell you mean.

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    Please, don't bother (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:35:25 PM EST
    in the spirit of conciliation.

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    Oh, OK...now listening to (none / 0) (#35)
    by oldpro on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:26:38 PM EST
    Rep. John Lewis of Georgia...saying that the Obama campaign is stirring it up and sending out emails to the press saying the Clintons are playing the race card.  Lewis is strongly defending Hillary and her campaign and both Clintons over "bringing people together."  

    Rev. Joe Lowrey of the Obama campaign isn't in agreement...seems to me he wants to have it both ways.  Accept what Mrs. Clinton says she meant re the MLK flap but will not agree with Lewis that the Obama campaign 'started it' with the race issue.

    No resolution between these two fine AA partisans on The Lehrer News Hour, so...hard to see how we are going to back away from this...painful to watch...very...how in christ's name could it come to this...and worse to come?  Who has an investment in making race an issue for Democrats???  No Democrat wins on this one....

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    Mentor? (1.00 / 1) (#48)
    by auntmo on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:55:49 PM EST
    So    Obama  CHOSE  to  support  his    warmongering  mentor ----and  campaign for  him  publicly-----rather  than support  the   anti-war  candidate?  

    This   does  not  reflect  well  on    Obama's   ability    to  stand  on   PRINCIPLE,  does  it?    

    Had   he  supported  Lamont  instead,  he  and  the other  Democrats  might  have  had  another   vote in the  Senate  to  get  legislation  passed.  

    Doesn't  say  much  about his political  courage.

    What exactly does this (none / 0) (#53)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:21:17 PM EST
    have to do with the post?

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    Obama & Hilary or Hilary & Obama ticket (none / 0) (#2)
    by Saul on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:56:09 PM EST
    Any body think it will happen before it's all over. Either way each ticket would  make unprecedented history if they are elected.  If Hilary was offered the VP position she would owe it to all the woman in the world just to set the precedence of breaking that glass ceiling and vice versa, if Obama is offered the VP position he would owe that to all the blacks in order to set the precedence and pave the way for future black presidential candidates. Just my 2 cents

    It would be an act of sheer audaciousness. . . (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:27:25 PM EST
    were either Clinton or Obama to chose anyone other than a white protestant male former governor or military man as their running mate.

    It might happen, but it would be like waving a giant red cape (with a Che Guevara portrait, no less) at the Republicans.

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    Notwithstanding the fact. . . (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:40:54 PM EST
    that I believe Clinton and Obama are temperamentally and politically suited to being on the same ticket.

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    If he can't rise above (none / 0) (#6)
    by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:19:43 PM EST
    the attempted racialization of this race, he truly isn't a post-racial leader.

    It fits seamlessly into the rest of his message that he's framing it instead as Washington insiders denying the importance of anyone but themselves to make things happen - insiders denying the power of regular people to rise up and create change.

    One thing I would have liked to have seen though would be, instead of just saying he, Edwards, and Clinton all share the same goals when it comes to civil rights and social justice that he'd thought to include the Democratic Party and emphasize that these are shared Democratic values.

    I admit I was hoping he could confront this more directly for what it's been, but I know that's asking too much in the middle of a campaign.

    But He Added (none / 0) (#7)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:28:02 PM EST

    He said he believes the quote betrays a belief on her part, "that the intricacies of the legislative process were somehow more significant than when ordinary people rise up and march and go to jail and fight for justice."  

    He called that a "fundamental difference" between them.

    So we now have a fundamental difference between Sen Clinton and Sen Obama.

    I wonder if he realizes that there were riots in the streets during that time? Plenty of people faught and went to jail and some died.

    On the night MLK was shot .... I was only 2 blocks from the riots in Peoria, IL. I was so scared. The only city that did not suffer was Indy due to RFK.

    I do aplaud him for not being taken in by the media to  keep the "barbs" going. And I know the media will not twist HIS words.

    4 years later (none / 0) (#15)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:52:21 PM EST
    Spring of 1968. The civil rights movement was an era. An accumulation of events and we still want to keep the movement forward. That is why this has been such a blow to the Dems.

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    But what about Washington (none / 0) (#25)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:53:55 PM EST
    There is no reason to think that he doesn't understand the sacrifice regular folks made for the movement since he referenced it.

    He does understand that part... the fundamental difference seems to be that he doesn't regard the legislation efforts as important as the people's efforts.

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    I agree with you (none / 0) (#34)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:23:46 PM EST
    Legislation follows the people's will.  It didn't take some great lawmaker, it was inevitable.  

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    If that's the way it (none / 0) (#75)
    by PlayInPeoria on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 03:40:03 PM EST
    works... then WHY are we still in Iraq. The poeple have clearly made their stnace... we want out.

    I think this will be one of those "which came first.. the chicken or the egg" discussions.

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    I read what HRC said (none / 0) (#22)
    by ding7777 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:43:29 PM EST
    and thought she meant that JFK was the inspiring President and LBJ was the working President to get the CRA passed.

    Obama (and his supporters) reframed it as a putdown on MLK and the Civil Rights marches (therfore it MUST be racist).

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    No contest. (none / 0) (#39)
    by oldpro on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:40:46 PM EST
    Obviously, MLK.  We lost JFK years before we lost RFK and Martin in '68.  For some people, the inspiration factor may be compressed into 2 Kennedys...if not three.  

    As I recall it, JFK's inspiration was not mainly about race...that was a small part of it.  For Martin, civil rights was everything and his inspiration was worldwide, energizing human rights/women's rights/gay rights groups along the way.

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    The obvious analogy (none / 0) (#46)
    by coigue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:36:30 PM EST
    is that Al Gore will inspire change in climate policy, but it will require a PRESIDENT to make that change sweeping.

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    The context was of legislation (none / 0) (#49)
    by ding7777 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:01:59 PM EST
    being passed - JFK inspired the legislation but LBJ got it passed

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    Hillary posted a similar statement (none / 0) (#9)
    by hmercury on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:34:09 PM EST
    Here http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5194
    you can see Hillary's statement about "seek(ing) common ground" and "com(ing) together" as a party for shared goals. Nice.

    I will sleep better (none / 0) (#13)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:43:51 PM EST
    tonight. It was very upsetting to see my beloved Democratic Party start to lose the election befroe we eve got there because of the infighting. Thanks for the link to Hillary's statement.

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    jgarza (none / 0) (#10)
    by commissar on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:34:31 PM EST
    time for us to play nice.

    bygones are bygones.

    I already deleted his comment (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
    thanks.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#17)
    by OrangeFur on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:10:25 PM EST
    This whole episode has been ridiculous. I hope tomorrow debate contains a few making nice comments and then they can talk about other things.

    In the spirit of conciliation, will you remove the 1 you gave me? :)

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    Have We Been Played? (none / 0) (#16)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:09:00 PM EST
    Not by the candidates (I'm pleased to see Clinton join Obama in trying to calm this down), but by the MSM.  The comment made to John Cole got me thinking about this (it's the last one on the post, I'd quote it, but there's no cursing on this site, heh).

    It does seem like the media were itching to bring race into it.  It seemed to me race got reinjected - the Shaheen stuff had largely calmed down after Clinton apologized personally to Obama - into the campaign by pollsters and pundits looking to cover their butts in NH by pushing the Bradley effect.  And if you look at how they've truncated Hillary Clinton's quote and Andrew Cuomo's quote, it certainly looks like they were more interested in inflaming the situation than calming it down.  (By saying that I'm not tryiing to reopen whether the quotes are offensive, just pointing out that they are, at the very least, MORE offensive when taken out of context.)

    Something to think about anyway.  Perhaps next time instead of focusing on each other we could just all agree that we hate the MSM?  Unity '08!

    Yes, please (none / 0) (#24)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:49:46 PM EST
    The media really stoked the fires for all they were worth.  Truncated quotes, etc for a better narrative.  I really do hate the media.


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    Who is more electable (none / 0) (#19)
    by talkingpoint on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:18:27 PM EST
     Enough jib jab, we all have one thing in common. We want a democrat in the White House. Who will get us there. Answer, Hillary Clinton. The republicans know that they cannot win on the issues, so if you believe race is an issue now, just wait and see how big of an issue it will be if Obama gets the nomination. The rightwing will use rhetorics and distorts facts to make, especially White Males scared to death of voting Obama, due largely to his pro-affirmative action stance. They will destroy him. Remember that it wasn't the issues that ruined Gore and Kerry, rather rhetorics and lies. Hillary have withstand their attacks for 16 years and is still standing strong. If we want the White House, we MUST vote Hillary.

    I could not (none / 0) (#20)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:31:29 PM EST
    Agree more it is time to suck it up and vote Hillary because we need to win the white house....To think that they won't try to destroy Obama in the general election is foolish...they will throw any and all things at him and he is a babe in the woods when it comes to media manipulation and what it takes to win...

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    It interesting to see people here (none / 0) (#37)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:27:49 PM EST
    On one hand bash the folks over at Kos (which I have not read, so I don't know what the fuss is about), while at the same time thinking she is the most electable.

    It would seem that she has a serious problem on her hands with many of the people she needs in a general election.  People will simply not vote for her.  I don't see the same problem for Obama.  

    What's experience if it comes with loads of baggage?

    I only see Hillary losing to McCain, especially with the voter caging going on.

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    Currently (none / 0) (#44)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:25:38 PM EST
    Hillary beats McCain by more than Obama in polling.

    Polls show that Clinton and Obama do quite well against Republicans.  They are both electable right now.  Whether that will be true of either of them after eleven months, who knows?

    Both right now have a problem and will need to find away to unite Dems.  Obama will need older voters and lower income voters, who if NH is any indication, are not coming out for him.  Clinton needs the young and the independent minded Dems.  They are splitting the Dem vote and whoever the nominee is will have to unite it.  Clinton has an edge in her appeal to women, which makes up most of the electorate.  Obama has an edge in his appeal to moderates and independents.  So from what I can see, they're about equal.

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    Hopefully the truce holds (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:58:22 PM EST


    Facebook Voting! (none / 0) (#30)
    by LetMeDoIt90 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:06:18 PM EST
    I now how you feel. The democrats are always getting pushed to the side. I just did this voting thing on facebook. the link is apps.facebook.com/theleague. You can vote for whoever you want to be president. The great thing about it is that you dont have to be 18. Im tired of politicians thinking the youth vote doesnt matter because no one is interested in it. But thats not true. Check it out guys. tell me what you think

    I love it (none / 0) (#31)
    by katiekat489 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:07:05 PM EST
    she and her surrogates have been smearing and maligning him for weeks -and now he is in good graces with you for being the man that he has always been--a decent honest and inspiring person.Too bad the same can not be said about the Clintons--their scorched earth policies are what they know best,and we are the poorer for it.

    Can't give (none / 0) (#65)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:25:07 PM EST
    up the crap?  Give it a try, it's not bad being happy.


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    Regarding Who is More Electable (none / 0) (#32)
    by talkingpoint on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:18:00 PM EST
     If you don't believe they will use his race against him you are mistaken. America is more divided than many believe. Many of us on this site have fought against inequality and injustice, but there are many in this country that does not share our ideals and values. The rightwing would inject racial stigma into the race in the election if Obama gets the nomination, because they know that is the only way they will win. We don't share their ideals, I don't understand their manner of thinking, but I do know that they are not stupid. I have been fighting against them for years and believe me when I tell you that they will do anything to stay in power. They hate Hillary, because they fear her. The Clintons have battled them and beat them on several fronts. Believe when I tell you that they will seek to destroy Obama. They are extremely good at that. Maybe better than many believe. Obama is a huge risk for us, and we cannot afford to play a game of chance with this presidency. The economy, war and more wars, human rights, freedom and a host of other issues are on the forefront. We cannot afford to play a game of chance with this one. We must elect Hillary.

    in my opinion (none / 0) (#33)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:18:44 PM EST
    he had to do it - this bs was sinking his battleship.

    Well the panal of cnn (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:07:32 PM EST
    analysts think it was sinking hers.  That included David Gergan who used to work for Bill Clinton.

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    Who gives one (none / 0) (#66)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:26:55 PM EST
    rat's rear about a panel on CNN?  They helped stoke the fires and don't want it to go away.


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    not me, Ralph. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 12:34:10 PM EST
    I actually talk to real people across the country, use my brain, and dont need the tv to tell me what I think.


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    Obama/Lieberman (none / 0) (#45)
    by auntmo on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:28:56 PM EST
    Anybody  know  why  Obama   chose  to  support  warmongering   Joe  Lieberman  in  2006  instead of  the   anti-war progressive  Democrat  Ned  Lamont?  

    Isn't  Obama  claiming   he  was  always  against  the  war?    

    Why  would  he  support  and  campaign  for  Lieberman   if  the other  candidate  was  clearly   the  better   anti-war  candidate?

    When Obama entered the Senate (none / 0) (#47)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:39:43 PM EST
    his assigned mentor was Lieberman.  They have been close ever since.

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    you have 3 comments (none / 0) (#63)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:09:16 PM EST
    in this post, they essentially say the same thing three times, and none of them have anything to do with the subject of the post.

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    jgarza is right (none / 0) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 06:37:34 AM EST
    Completely OT. Too late now but normally I would delete this.

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    One More Time (none / 0) (#50)
    by Any D Over Any R on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:08:34 PM EST
    Obama and nearly every elected Democrat and Party official supported Lieberman as the incumbent Democratic Senator. Once Lamont won the Democratic primary and became the standard bearer, however, Obama and nearly every Democratic official supported him.

    Lamont, of course, has himself endorsed Obama.

    Obama/Lieberman (none / 0) (#51)
    by auntmo on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:17:23 PM EST
    Uh,  no   dear.  

    Hillary  Clinton    supported  and   campaigned  for   Ned  Lamont.   She  even   donated    $$  to  his  campaign.    

    Nice  try,  though.   LOL

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    Nice tone... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Any D Over Any R on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:25:03 PM EST
    ... but wrong. Senator Clinton did not support, campaign for, nor give money to Lamont before he won the primary. She did so only after he won the primary. That would be the same as Obama (and nearly every other Democratic official).

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    Explain to me (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:04:52 PM EST
    what Ned Lamont has to do with anything being discussed here?

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    A comment by Aaron (none / 0) (#52)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:19:34 PM EST
    was just deleted because it reprinted the work of someone else. You can link to and quote a paragraph or two of something someone else has written but copyright laws don't allow you to reprint in full. And even if they did, I'm not interested in paying the bandwidth cost to host the works of others. Post a link in html format, quote the part that's most important to your point, and make your point. This space is for comments, not reprinting your own work or that of others in full. Thanks.

    What are you talking about Jeralyn? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:33:34 PM EST
    I don't plagiarize, this is my writing

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    Then my apologies (none / 0) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:36:37 PM EST
    I saw your link to someone and then what I thought was six or seven paragraphs that came from it. Did you keep a copy?

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    How bout you try reading it.... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:37:49 PM EST
    ...before you make these accusations

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    Clinton supporters continue pushing RACE issue (Re (none / 0) (#56)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:36:19 PM EST
    As evidence I offer up this article by Professor Sean Wilentz, a longtime supporter and personal friend of the Clintons, who now has a new piece over at TNR.  After the last backhanded Obama supporter and media bashing article I'm surprised he has the nerve to show his face on that site again, but apparently Prof. Wilentz seems bent on destroying all semblance of his credibility and bound and determined to immolate himself on a pyre of his own making. I guess tenure makes you reckless.

    The Power and the Inspiration

    I've heard much bemoaning of this as a non-issue, on supposedly liberal blogs, from people who just want it to go away.  Perhaps they should tell that to Mark Penn and the Clinton campaign who are apparently petitioning their operatives to pursue this avenue.

    Hillary Clinton made a huge rhetorical misstep when she held up Lyndon Johnson as the doer, in contrast to Martin Luther King who she implied was merely the inspirational leader and dreamer of nice dreams that others had to make reality.  It was not only a huge gaffe but factually incorrect, a fanciful rewriting of history as it were.  But I suppose it's the kind of thing you would expect coming from someone who grew up as a Goldwater Republican, as we all know Barry Goldwater himself did not support the Civil Rights Act.  It's also the kind of mindset you would expect from a Washington insider who believes that all power and change flows from those corridors.  Another piece of revisionism that is not supported by the history of the United States. It saddens me that Hillary Clinton forgets who is the real driving force behind this nation, WE THE PEOPLE.  Such arrogance does not bode well for someone who aspires to our presidency.  

    Here's a little historical reminder for Wilentz and Hillary, the civil rights movement was a movement of the people, it was their concerns that drove the legislation that became the law of the land.  It was the people in the movement who paid the price and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King paid a much higher price than most.  As we know he was assassinated for his part, but long before that he began paying a price.  As anyone who knows the history can tell you, the doctor who performed the autopsy on Dr. King noted that his body had incurred the kind of wear and tear usually only found in the bodies of 60 year olds, yet Dr. King was only 39.  Obviously King had been paying the price for his advocacy for decades before he was murdered.  

    And how many other African-Americans laid down their lives in this fight?  There's the names that we remember like Malcolm and Medgar but there were thousands before them, most of whom died in obscurity between the 1860s and the 1960s, not to mention the tens or even hundreds of thousands of African-Americans who lost their lives in this country for no other reason than that they had dark skinned, because US law offer them little or no protection.  And the history goes back well before abolition, with Dread and Harriet Scott who fought for years in the US courts where they had virtually no chance of winning.  Yet they kept on fighting in the hope that one day their sacrifice would finally bear the fruits of liberty for their posterity.  It only it took another 118 years for African-Americans to become full-fledged citizens.

    Yes Black people in America paid a heavy price in their struggle to achieve equity under the law.  But it wasn't until the rest of America, White America, got to see fire hoses turned upon children on their nightly news, and pictures of young people lynched and murdered in their local papers, before the majority of Americans woke up, and said enough, no more of this, we must put an end to such repression and inequity.

    Lyndon Johnson may have done the right thing, but it was the people of this nation who prompted him to step forward and take that action.  He was merely the leader of the moment who realized that his job as president was to listen to his people. But in truth he did no more than any man of conscience would've found himself compelled to do under such circumstance.  

    So when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton slights and diminishes the achievements Martin Luther King, in order to make a rhetorical point to bolster her presidential bid, she deserves to be pilloried and condemned.  Because she didn't just slight the memory of Dr. King alone, she slighted and diminished the contribution of every one of those people down through history who first dreamed of change and then made it happen.  It wasn't Lyndon or any of his people who paid the ultimate price in order to achieve equity under the law, it was MLK and the Black folk of this nation who paid for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, and they paid with their blood, the blood of their children, and with the blood of numerous generations before them.

    So instead of giving Hillary and her campaign a pass, I suggest the Clinton supporters advise their candidate to check herself before she wrecks herself.

    (How can this be a reprint when it was first posted here and deleted?)

    Let it go (none / 0) (#67)
    by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:29:31 PM EST
    you goober.  This doesn't help or persuade anyone.


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    This is where you fail to understand me. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:47:42 PM EST
    I'm not a lawyer, out to convince people, or sway them to my side.  That's not my thing, I tell it like it is, call it the way I see it, with no particular agenda in mind, and I think that's what gets under people's skin, they just can't figure out what my angle is.  I'm cool with that.

    Apparently there's a row going on over at daily Kos right now between the moderators, over the deletion of my comments, and it seems to have temporarily shut down the site.  

    I love it.  :-)

    Clinton booed at MLK rally in New York

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    I do not care about your rows (none / 0) (#71)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 06:36:32 AM EST
    Do what Jeralyn has told you to do - stop charging people with racism.

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    Wow. You're nuts. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:21:52 AM EST
    It was the Olbermann diary that shut down the site.  

    As for your comment.  It was just troll rated into oblivion.  No row at all.

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    Apologies again, I thought (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:37:32 PM EST
    that was a reprint of the article you linked to.

    I'm not picking on you, (none / 0) (#60)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:40:08 PM EST
    I have intentionally decreased my commenting here so you don't think I'm harassing you, but this is something that I feel strongly about.  So I would like you to read it, you especially


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    Jeralyn don't feel bad (none / 0) (#64)
    by Aaron on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:21:33 PM EST
    They just removed a very similar comment of mine over at daily Kos, without any explanation. Interesting that over at TNR I am never censored, even when I mercilessly criticized some of their writings and writers.

    I'm always unimpressed by people who claim to be liberals, yet when confronted with certain arguments find themselves reduced to censorship, much like the conservatives.  Thanks for leaving my comment up here, and encouraging honest debate, it is indeed a rarity.

    I believe you have to test and push the boundaries of free speech constantly, if democracy is to survive and grow.

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    You conitnue to make racism charges (none / 0) (#70)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 06:35:32 AM EST
    when Jeralyn has told you to stop.

    Do it at daily kos. I think Jeralyn has made it clear it is not welcome here.

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    That's called ... (none / 0) (#69)
    by chemoelectric on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 02:04:45 AM EST
    I know many will question Obama's motives, saying the politics had started to run away from him....

    That's what is called "looking a gift horse in the mouth" :)