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Tweety: Hillary Won Because Bill Messed Around

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:41:08 PM EST
Tags: Chris Matthews, Hillary Clinton, New Hampshire 08 (all tags)
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You can't make this stuff up. Chris Matthews on "Morning Joe" says the reason Hillary Clinton won her New York Senate seat and is a front-runner in the presidential race is because Bill Clinton "messed around." [Via TPM]

He's why I watched CNN (except when Lou Dobbs was on) until after the winner was announced.

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    effin insulting to New Yorkers (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:44:17 PM EST
    eff him

    Totally! (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:52:40 PM EST
    I thought it was such an insult to her constituency and the person that she is and her education and her years and years of political activism and just about everything Hillary REALLY is as a person.  I will never watch Chris Matthews again voluntarily.  Considering joining many who will be writing letters to his employer and his sponsors as well.

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    He makes clowns like Buchanan (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by scribe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:49:13 PM EST
    look sane.

    Either MSNBC's nuts, or he's got serious blackmail dirt on people way high up, there, but he's not a responsible journalist.

    Watching KO seated next to him last night, it looked like Keith was both angry, disgusted with Tweety's antics and just wanted to wash of the dirty-by-assocation-with-Tweety slobber Tweety was flinging all over Keith.

    lol (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by JayR70 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:53:16 PM EST
    I swear he said that he'd never underestimate her again and that he had to give her credit! Just last night!

    This guy has a serious problem. And I think that problem is called love. He's clearly in love with her!

    that may be it (none / 0) (#11)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:56:31 PM EST
    or at least obsessed.

    sick

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    Waiting for Dr. Phil. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:04:22 PM EST


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    If only he'd had the foresight to marry (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:59:14 PM EST
    Hillary.......he too could have been President of the the United States.  It's a difficult thing to realize too late ;)

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    somehow (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:04:49 PM EST
    I dont think she would have met him in a library.
    Ha!

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    Reading his Wiki bio you may have a point (none / 0) (#30)
    by kovie on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:01:52 PM EST
    Like her he was an early boomer from a traditional middle class background who supported Goldwater in '64 but turned Democratic due to the Vietnam War and Eugene McCarthey's campaign, and ended up working for various party officials. His politics, like hers, spans the center, some veering right, some veering left, but generally centrist. For all I know he met her in the late 60's or early 70's and had a thing for her. But more likely, this could be a case of an insecure person hating people who remind him of himself. Or perhaps some sort of weird malicious envy of someone who's so similar to himself in many ways that he wonders why he hadn't been as successful and lucky as them (he ran for office years ago and lost, and had to settle for being a TV news personality).

    I find that people who have ever been diehard modern conservatives of the Goldwater sort, even if they've made the transformation into the sane end of the political spectrum (Goldwater was no less insane than Ron Paul), can never be fully trusted in politics. I think that being drawn to that nutty fringe says something about how a person thinks and views the world. I.e. simplistically, idealistically, naively, credulously, uncritically. It's a cultist sort of thing that I think never quite leaves you. John Dean, a former Goldwaterite (still is in some ways, by his admission), wrote about this personality type in his book, Conservatives Without Conscience, and he would clearly know. And cultists tend to see the world in a stereotyped ways.

    I think that Tweety and his ilk think this way. I.e. you're either an Aqua Velva manly-man like McCain or Thompson, a bimbo (i.e. pretty, dumb and easy to manipulate), or dignified older woman (like Nancy Reagan or Laura Bush), or else there's something wrong with your character. Hillary is one of the latter to people like him, a smart woman who refuses to fit the preassigned type. And she's from the same general type of background as him, which makes her even more of an object of scorn. A truly warped mind this man has. I almost pity him. Almost.

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    Blech (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by subee on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:56:52 PM EST
    No, Chris, Hillary won because she has character, strength, intelligence, and political experience.

    Bill's attackers may have given her an opportunity to display all this in the face of a difficult situation, but she's the one who out-classed them all.

    nice (none / 0) (#15)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:58:41 PM EST
    well said

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    I can't understand this (none / 0) (#18)
    by HeadScratcher on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:11:22 PM EST
    misconception about her political experience before she became Senator. All I can tell is that she was the First Lady of the United States. She won't release her records from that time so I have to assume that she is hiding something or doesn't care about the people's right to know.

    What intelligence? Compared to what? Einstein? Bush 43? Where is the intelligence and what does that have to do with politics?

    She won the Senate by riding on the coattails of her husbands polical career. Just like Elizabeth Dole did in North Carolina. She's doing the same now. There's nothing wrong with it, but lets be a little honest about her.

    She's no better or worse than Obama or Edwards in terms of intelligence, experience (hell, Cheney has them all beat on experience), strength (not even sure what this means - crying, anger, poise?) and character (she's a politician. Character is up for debate).

    (As for character, didn't she say that she wouldn't put up with her husbands infidelities just like Tammy Wynette sang about Stand by your man, or that she really believed Bill didn't have an affair with Monica and that it is all a result of a right wing conspiracy. She is either totally naive which would contradict that intelligence, experience and character point of your argument or she is a politician)

    She's going to be the same type of President her husband was: A ton of opportunity to actually do some great things and will blow it for her own political power. Just ask any retarded man on death row, gays in the military, welfare reform, NAFTA, Rwanda, etc...

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    do some research (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST
    that's a misleading and inaccurate comment.

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    hum (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:13:18 PM EST
    well it is a campaign she should be proving it, not leaving it to others research.

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    no, seriously.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by subee on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:22:25 PM EST
    Political Experience: This includes being politically active and involved for over four decades, beginning at a time when male-dominated politics put down the ERA and controlled just about every avenue of power... This also speaks to strength of character: staying with it despite all these obstacles.

    "Riding coat-tails" is not a fair description of Hillary's many years of going out and meeting the public, listening to the public, meeting foreign dignitaries, taking on difficult policy issues & being raked over coals by the media.

    Intelligence: It shows in her responses, her well-articulated arguments for health care years ago, her reputation for being "calculating" which is a way to put down her intelligence (by those who fear her)

    Sure, she may have been flustered by Bill's wellknown weakness for women (alot for anyone to take) -- but she held the rudder as firmly as anyone could and when the scandal broke she did not "breakdown" (as many had hoped).

    Strength of character:  Sticking with her commitments to children, families, & even Bill; willingness to revise her position on war; Not giving up, not shutting up, & not letting the nay-sayers have the last word!

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    Easy killer..... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:22:39 PM EST
    Strength and character?  That's almost as faulty as Matthews reasoning.

    I say she won because the media-annointed cash-raising frontrunners are weak and the American people are a bunch of rubes who refuse to support a real candidate like Kucinich or Paul.

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    glad to see (none / 0) (#32)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:20:30 PM EST
    you like Americans

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    I do..... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:55:44 PM EST
    love Americans.  We're just not very smart voters as a whole. 2 partys in cahoots set the rules of the game and we just play along like there is no other way, when alternatives are staring us right in the face.

    Maybe if Bloomberg jumps in this thing...

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    whatever - but you called (none / 0) (#40)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:59:46 PM EST
    americans "rubes".  

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    Ron Paul? (none / 0) (#60)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:29:48 PM EST
    That dude is a serious bigot. I'm not trying to be politically correct and make you shut up or anything, I mean he is, or at least was, a committed anti-gay, anti-black, anti-Semitic bigot. Again I'm not trying to make your decision for you, I just see these stories, and I read the TNR article,"Angry White Man" and the USS Ron Paul sank fast in my mind.

    Links:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/09/the-problem-with-paul/
    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/01/the_two_faces_of_ron_paul.html


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    After the deepest consideration (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by MacLane on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:10:35 PM EST
    I have come to the conclusion that the remarks of Tweety were intended as a mating call to Ann Coulter.

    WHAT? (none / 0) (#2)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:46:28 PM EST
    I was living in New York.  The reason she won was because Rudy had cancer and had to drop out.  There was no race, she had no opponent.  They just stuck some rube in their to get crushed.

    Mathews needs to be removed from the airwaves.  How any political commentator could say something like that and keep his job is amazing.

    Rudy's divorce antics and affairs (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:50:18 PM EST
    would have done him in had he not dropped out due to prostate cancer. You can re-read the news headlines I accumulated from Hillary's senate race here. Scroll to May, 2000.

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    this washington post article (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:51:53 PM EST
    tells the story behind Rudy's decision to drop out.

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    And, from my personal knowledge (none / 0) (#17)
    by scribe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:10:00 PM EST
    in that time frame a friend of a friend saw him at the funeral of a prominent Republican and said he "looked like hell" from his cancer and chemo.  He had it bad, but (happy for him) it seems the treatment worked.  But it took its toll.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#19)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:12:56 PM EST
    He was not in good shape.

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    he was losing (none / 0) (#23)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:27:36 PM EST
    anyway

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    I'm not saying he was winning or losing (none / 0) (#26)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    Just that she had no competition when it mattered; the last two months.  That's a big difference.  Hillary has as little campaign experience as Obama.  She has won two races with no competition.

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    bull (none / 0) (#36)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:24:08 PM EST


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    And she cleaned up upstate (none / 0) (#45)
    by scribe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:25:02 PM EST
    which has long - since Depression Days or earlier - been solid Republican country.  She spent a godawful lot of time in the upstate counties where there are more deer than people (with good-paying non-government jobs), going town to town and meeting to meeting, doing the listening and hearing the concerns of average New Yorkers.

    Which is one explanation of why, when she replicated that method in NH, she started cleaning up.

    The people in upstate NY seriously respect - if not love - her, now.  And, BTW, I tend to think her work for the Dems upstate also helped the House candidates who kicked out Rethugs from those upstate districts in 2006.

    If only for taking on generations of entrenched Republicans and beating them on their own turf, winning them over the old-school way, she has my respect.

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    I have heard that too - (none / 0) (#61)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:33:05 PM EST
    she loves to roll up her sleeves and get into it.
     

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    Hillary kicked his ass so hard (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MarkL on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:57:55 PM EST
    .. that's why his prostate gave out.

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    Query: why does anyone watch this stuff? (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:48:20 PM EST


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    Easy (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by manys on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:37:05 PM EST
    People love gossip. Watch Hardball and TMZ right next to each other and try to tell the difference.

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    your post (none / 0) (#8)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:50:20 PM EST
    is clueless -  

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    And you're trolling (none / 0) (#14)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:58:36 PM EST
    Read the rules and stop.

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    do you need (none / 0) (#34)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM EST
    a hanky to wipe up that drool?

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    You need to read the rules. (none / 0) (#41)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:03:42 PM EST


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    are you a lawyer? (none / 0) (#43)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:19:36 PM EST
    I mean, you simply dont read like a DA at all if that is what you are hiding behind in your moniker.  Your post reveal a  lack any judgement or sense of restraint.

    Why pretend you have power over this board?  It is Jeralyn's board - not yours.  Now run along and pester someone who isinterested.  Okay?  Cause as much as I adore your obsession with me, I do tend prefer adults.

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    As I recall, a writer. (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:23:12 PM EST
    I suggest you two agree to leave each other alone.  Easier for the rest of us to read the threads.

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    Well, I'm not actually doing anything (none / 0) (#47)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:26:00 PM EST
    other than pointing out someone breaking the rules.

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    I would be (none / 0) (#49)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:27:32 PM EST
    extremely happy if he would never address me again.

    Please help make that happen.

    Thanks.

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    This is getting comical. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:25:04 PM EST
    Judith. DA in LA is not a DA in LA, and he never claimed to be one. He's a striking WGA writer in LA.

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    DA would be my initials. (none / 0) (#48)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:26:38 PM EST
    I use DA in LA on all message boards.

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    Why does it matter? (none / 0) (#50)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:28:14 PM EST
    Really? Some feel-good Obama speech would help right about now...

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    Kumbaya, my lord, Kumbaya.. (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:55:39 PM EST


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    Why does what matter? (none / 0) (#51)
    by DA in LA on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:29:18 PM EST


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    DA - I am going to let your (none / 0) (#53)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:33:00 PM EST
    comments pass. You must be quite stressed. But dont take it out on me.  if you dont like me or my post or my past behavior - I assure you I can live with it.

    Best of luck. Sincerely.

    Now let's leave each other alone.

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    striking (none / 0) (#52)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:30:25 PM EST
    is very very stressful.  I have sympathy and hope it works out in his favor.

     

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    He was also (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:48:50 PM EST
    saying that the clinton camp was going to give a speech soon (when 60% were counted) before the results were in so that she could call it a draw and then the next day come out and discuss it.  His coverage of the race evoked what appeared to be resentment and loathing of her campaign...

    which of course (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:49:48 PM EST
    pushes me right back to pbs and cnn because the bbc is only on at 10 here at home...Funny, I WANT to watch msnbc, but cannot because of him...

    Another one I mute is (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:20:35 PM EST
    Carl Bernstein. Last night on CNN, when asked his reaction to her win (Transcript on Lexis.com):

    the other thing is, you know, 53 percent of the people still did not vote for her....Edwards is the best thing she has going for her right now, because he is splitting the vote and taking away from her.

    And then, reducing her candidacy to a quest to restore the Clintons (plural) to the White House:

    The other thing is that Bill Clinton women see less of, that part of what she is doing -- and I talked to some people today about this -- is that she knows that Bill Clinton is the baggage she has to deal with. This can no longer be about the restoration of the Clintons to the White House, because she cannot make it to the White House that way. And she knows it.

    The others on the CNN team quickly put the lie to that.

    O'BRIEN: Just a few moments ago, we heard Carl Bernstein say that Hillary's baggage was Bill Clinton. But if you look at the actual exit poll question about Bill Clinton, you don't see that as baggage.

    SCHNEIDER: No. Bill Clinton is a rock star among Democrats. He and Barack Obama were both voted -- when Democrats in New Hampshire were asked about their favorability to various people, Bill Clinton came out right at the top, along with Barack Obama. So Bill Clinton, he was not a controversial figure. Democrats in New Hampshire love Bill Clinton.


    CNN has an election special tonight. Keep your mute button handy for Bernstein.

    Watergate heroes... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by magster on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:41:58 PM EST
    to establishment buttheads.

    sigh

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    Heartburn (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:23:37 PM EST
    What did Nora Ephron know and when did she know it?

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    I thought about that while he was talking. (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:04:39 PM EST


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    i saw mr berstein (none / 0) (#59)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:17:09 PM EST
    that is insulting to the entire field of Dem. candidates.

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    No to all of the Tweedle-Dees and (none / 0) (#22)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:26:45 PM EST
    Tweedle-Durrs.

    I watch the Young Turks for primary coverage. At least they acknowledge their ignorance of the situation. These stuffy old men think they're all Walter Cronkite when they couldn't hold his jock strap. Even Olbermann gets to me when he seems oh-so-willing to downplay any victory by any candidate. It's as though he just hates all the politicians in general...that couldn't be true, could it?

    Everyone knows that the only reason Tweety (none / 0) (#27)
    by kovie on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:39:06 PM EST
    has a job in media is because people felt sorry for him after he worked for Muskie and Carter. He hosts Hardball because Carter messed up.

    Hah!

    whaaaat? (none / 0) (#78)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:29:10 PM EST
    he worked for Carter?  Are you kidding?

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    Priceless! (none / 0) (#33)
    by LadyDiofCT on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:21:28 PM EST
    What a great night!  But the best moment was 8:00 pm on MSNBC.  CM just completed the smear fest interview with Frank Rich.  Rich laid the Hillary hate bombs for all the NY elites (MoDope) and licked his chops with CM as they waited for the 'early projections' at 8:00.   Chris couldn't keep it in his pants at that point.... At exactly 8:00 pm as promised the first returns came in.    Hillary Clinton 38%, Obama 36%, Edwards 17%.   The look on his face made all things right in the world.  He aged at least 25 years and was finally speechless.   What a moment..... Priceless!

    Naïveté and plans within plans. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Aaron on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:44:16 PM EST
    Christy Hardin is using this to make a point about media bias, but I think she's a bit naïve in her analysis and her understanding of the manipulative power of the media.  Of course Chris Matthews never considers the impact of his words before he voices them, these things just slip out.

    Let's see how do we motivate women to support Hillary again, and keep this whole thing rolling, such comments are one sure way to accomplish that goal.  You think this kind of thing pisses women off enough to vote for just about any woman?  Ya think?

    We all know that Chris Matthews would never stoop to manipulation, he's an impartial journalist without a political agenda of his own, right?

    I wonder what the effect would be if Matthews and others start making similar comments about Obama's race, you think that would motivate people?

    About race for Obama (none / 0) (#42)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:14:37 PM EST
    Obama is proud of his heritage, but I don't think he has responded to racism by calling it racism. I think he just calls it divisive, gets a loud cheer and moves on. Mark Penn says his past with drugs would hurt him, he just shrugs his shoulders. Fox News calls him Osama and says he's a Muslim, he goes "meh."

    It's somewhat maddening, but I think that's how he's handling it, so maybe it would help him, but also Tweedle-Dum has a different sort of creepy ethnic man-crush on Obama and his family, so it's tough to say, "Hey Matthews, stop oogling at my wife and kids cause they're black!" It's not the same conversation.

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    Is MSNBC (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:49:54 PM EST
    so desperate to catch  Bill that they will look away from matthews behavior?  He is getting more and more offensive each month, I wake up each day waiting to read a story about him and falafel.

    Don't you imagine the people selling ads (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:56:57 PM EST
    on TV monitor the blogs to see which TV personalities are garnering the most attention each day?

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    no - why would they (none / 0) (#77)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:28:18 PM EST
    do that?

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    Check out Plutonium Page's new diary (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 05:44:17 PM EST
    at DK with many, many quotes from Matthews about Hillary Clinton.

    Desperate Billy Clinto! (none / 0) (#64)
    by Obamite on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:44:33 PM EST
    As the battle intensifies it appers that the fight is no longer Obama against "maddam-clinton" but billy. its so sad the latter is sacrificing is current revered US policial genius status and getting damn dirty for his wife. Only a desperate man would go out proclaiming that "his wife is the best i have ever known". one wonders, if she was and still the best as he seems to be shamelessly portraying, why an affair with Monica? besides, what billy is saying is exactly the same thing Michele Obama would be saying. billy is fighting an uphill battle. in the end when OBAMA is finally inaugurated as the 42nd President of the US, bill will have lost both this -2008 battle but more so he will suffer embaarrassing humiliation. he will be an ex-president who would have lost its savour. a base material. i just cant wait to see him suffer a humiliating defeat.

    Obamites

    This is a most distasteful comment. (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:48:54 PM EST
    Michelle Obama is proclaiming her husband is the superior candidate, as is Elizabeth Edwards.  No one infers they are talking about the sex life of their spouses.  

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    Smackity smack talk smackaroo (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:59:38 PM EST
    Vanilla ice, ice, baby!  When has anyone in politics ever been honestly that "revered political genius" (the Dems have the Clinton and the Pugs have the Reagan and that's only because that is the most recent history that the majority of us remember) and so clean that we could ever pronounce with sincerity that they were now getting damn dirty?  I stand with the infamous BTD and the only good poll is a pressured poll, but it has been a learning experience getting here.  I've always wanted a messiah to come save me.

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    I saw a blogger deem Obama the (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:02:16 PM EST
    Obamamessiah.  Will that do?

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    It would have pre BTD (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:12:14 PM EST
    I'm afraid I'm now a political atheist and nothing can save me ;)

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    you sound (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:20:43 PM EST
    wise.

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    Judith, I think I love you (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:15:23 PM EST
    I'm just a soldier's wife who has had the breath beaten out of her several times due to the existing circumstances.  If it is possible that that can lead to wisdom, well hell yeah ;)

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    iff you do (none / 0) (#76)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:25:58 PM EST
    you are the only one on this board. :-)

    You have my deepest sympathies.  All my brothers served in their time and one didnt come home from the last one. So I know how real this all is for people like you.  You have my sincerest support.

    Best -

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    Go read BTD's latest (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:31:15 PM EST
    on the "Wilder" effect.  

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    As with most things BTD (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:20:05 PM EST
    the only immediate difference he has made in my life is that now I'm scheduled to spend tomorrow morning investigating and reading.......about the Wilder effect this time because today is done and what I know about the Wilder effect fits into a thimble about BTD diary size.

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    Ah irony (none / 0) (#74)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:21:24 PM EST
    I'm an agnostic atheist, and yet I believe in Obama.

    Mock him as you will (Obamessiah IS kinda funny) but he's the person who's most likely and able to bring change in a troubled world.

    What we need is not more of the same in terms of constant bickering with the other side, nor what we need are more DemoHawks.

    America wants change of a more fundamental sort, and if we bring it to them, they will in droves support a progressive message of bread and butter issues, peace and security over war and fear, and a new American body politic where government is not tyrannical, nor an enabler of super-powerwielders throwing their weight around all over the American people, no, government is the embodiment of the American community, the marketplace of ideas, the closest we may yet get to true republican DEMOCRACY and not just Republican government. That is what Obama I think will do.

    (For those who say I cast my aspirations on Obama, I ask you to look at who you support or don't and why)

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    A moving testimonial. (none / 0) (#75)
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