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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 08:42:26 AM EST
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Ahem, how about them GATORS!!!

I am tied up for most of the rest of the day but I am sure TChris and J will be along soon. Enjoy your Sunday.

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    Philly Flyers Fans give.... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by laila on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:34:53 PM EST
    Palin resounding boos...i have a whole new respect for hockey lol...I hear the booing was so loud they tried to drown it out with music.  LOL...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TgDanmWkg

    Texas earns #1 rank. Hook 'em Horns! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Angel on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:59:02 PM EST


    War Eagle! (none / 0) (#1)
    by obiden08 on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 08:44:44 AM EST
    Good for Florida.

    I think Auburn's forgotten that they're playing football.  Sometimes it's hard to be a fan.

    Shame on you (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:38:06 AM EST
    Come directly to our house for your licks from our eight year old.  Oh ye of little faith

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    I'm thinking of becoming (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:41:43 AM EST
    a  Gators' fan for just this one season though.  [Toledo---Holy Toledo!!!--beats Michigan. How pathetic is that?]

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    Wow. You aren't very encouraging to (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:47:15 AM EST
    aspiring Gator fans.

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    Every gator fan I know is so arrogant (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:23:45 AM EST
    Every single one :)  I suppose a season of arrogance can't be permanently damaging :)

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    Me too. Or Texas. At least they have (none / 0) (#13)
    by Teresa on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:47:06 AM EST
    the same color (sort of) and they are also UT (even though we are the original UT by many years). The coach is a Tennessee boy so I at least have one other connection. Hook em horns!

    Who would have thought a Vol fan would be waiting on basketball season to put us out of our misery.

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    If they lose a few more games, and I (none / 0) (#17)
    by Teresa on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:12:18 AM EST
    think they will, this may be the year. The fans are flat out furious. At the least, our new offensive coordinator will be gone.

    The new AD isn't gutless, he got rid of Buzz Peterson (basketball) and the fans loved him. It will depend on about four big boosters. They call the shots at UT.

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    Good coach (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 03:27:50 PM EST
    but not good for the coeds.  Mamas, don't let your daughters grow up to be his "basketball assistants."

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    How about them Longhorns (none / 0) (#2)
    by Saul on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:38:13 AM EST
    Could very well be number 1

    Hook 'em! (none / 0) (#5)
    by txpublicdefender on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:53:01 AM EST
    Best Texas-OU game ever!!!

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    Its been 45 years since Texas beat Oklahoma (none / 0) (#9)
    by Saul on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:06:53 AM EST
    when they were number 1

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    I'm still trying to understand why McCain (none / 0) (#3)
    by barryluda on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:40:06 AM EST
    won't go after Rev. Wright.

    I'm glad he's not, but just surprised in his desperation and thrashing that he hasn't done so yet.

    I posted earlier some speculation that he either is waiting for it to have maximum effect, or that the Obama camp has made it clear that there is a consequence (Keating for Ayers; X for Wright).

    Steviez314 speculated, based on a rumor he heard...

    that Colin Powell told McCain that if he brought up Rev. Wright, then Powell would officially endorse Obama, otherwise he'll stay neutral.

    I'm now wondering if McCain might be afraid that it would be twisted into a race issue which he thinks will hurt him more than it helps.  I'm really just very curious as to why he's not pushing this.

    We've all had such a glorious (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    time painting McCain as evil and unscrupulous, but I think he still has places he won't go, and Wright is the main one.  He wants to paint Obama as having terrible judgment, but I think he really does not want to stir up all that Wright conveys.

    I'm surprised the 527s haven't gone there as I fully expected them to do, but the McCain camp clearly has some kind of control over them.

    I think, I hope, that in any case, they realize it's too late.  If Wright was going to have any effect, it needed to have been rolled out a couple months ago when there were still lots of undecided voters and the polls were close.  Now all it would do is make sure McCain goes down covered in slime, and he doesn't want to do that.

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    Because going after Wright (none / 0) (#4)
    by rdandrea on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:43:58 AM EST
    Puts Palin's preachers on the table.

    Not a good trade.

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    Palin's preachers (none / 0) (#7)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:04:47 AM EST
    and Palin herself are totally irrelevant to this election, and I'm pretty sure the Obama camp has finally figured that out.  We could argue about whether they should be, but the fact is that they are.  The public has made up its mind about her and is only focusing now, as they should be, on the main players.


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    Maybe he has a shred of dignity left? (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:53:15 AM EST
    Hard to believe, but possible.

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    Jonathan Martin at Politico (none / 0) (#22)
    by Cream City on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:28:39 PM EST
    is saying, as I read it, that the gloves came off yesterday, with John Lewis' comment from the Obama camp, and so you may see the Rev. Wright come back into the discourse now.  See Martin's McCain Will Be Accused of Racism, Regardless.

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    Good piece by Martin (none / 0) (#29)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 02:08:46 PM EST
    I think the MSM as a whole, like Martin, has largely become pretty wary of the racism charge, as they should.  So they've fallen back into a safer outrage that the McCain campaign is trying to paint Obama as essentially un-American.

    To which I say, Yeah?  And what else is new?  And where was their outrage when the Republicans were painting Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and every other Democrat for the last 50 years or more as essentially un-American?

    I don't think personally the McCain campaign is doing much more than pretty standard Republican playbook on this aspect, and it's just that Obama by his own associations has given them a bit more ammunition than they had with the others.

    I think all these pols largely see all this as a big game and are often genuinely shocked, as McCain has been, to discover that some folks actually believe these things literally.

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    The media as a whole (none / 0) (#32)
    by Cream City on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 03:29:27 PM EST
    bought into it bigtime, especially on cable.  

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    I think it is a bit different (none / 0) (#33)
    by lilburro on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 08:54:27 PM EST
    and the stakes are a little bit higher, when your opponent is black with the middle name "Hussein", and people are telling you they don't trust him because he is an Arab.  

    Later, another supporter told McCain, "I don't trust Obama.... He's an Arab."

    When people have racist puppets at rallies, when people at McCain/Palin rallies do this kind of stuff:

    A Washington Post report said a man yelled "Kill him!" at a rally in Florida last week as Palin delivered what has become her signature line. Palin smiled her way past the "Kill him!" shout. Maybe she didn't hear it. At the same rally, a racial epithet was shouted at a black sound technician with a TV news crew.

    Kerry had the safety of his WASPishness.  Obama doesn't have that to fall back on.  

    I know the Republicans are sleazy, but it would be especially significant to me if Hillary was our candidate, and their rallies featured people calling camerawomen b*tches, and people holding sexist puppets of her.  That would be beyond the pale.  It would be hurtful and it would make me afraid as a member of that group, because those symbols draw from deeper down than standard issue GOP bullsh*t, they draw from some of the most hateful and oppressive symbols of American life.

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    So the Hillary nutcracker (none / 0) (#34)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 01:45:50 AM EST
    did bother you, the screams of b*tch at her -- not just camera women -- at her rallies, etc.?  Did you miss all that and much, much worse?

    And yes, I am afraid for our daughters after all that.  Mine took a lot of abuse, including physical confrontation, for wearing her Hillary t-shirt.  But the impact on progress for women in her generation will be worse, as we in ours know from the backlash before.  Sexists have been emboldened by this campaign.

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    No I didn't miss all that directed at Hillary (none / 0) (#35)
    by lilburro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:13:29 AM EST
    and every one of those incidents, "Iron my shirt" etc. bothered me.  

    But I am talking about the Obama/Kerry comparison, and comparisons of the two that suggest there is no difference between the way the two have been treated by the Republicans.  I don't want to see an African-American candidate or a woman candidate humiliated with symbols and slang of oppression.  And I think the McCain/Palin camp need to flush out those elements from their rallies.  

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    The Branchflower report in Alaska (none / 0) (#18)
    by white n az on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:22:14 AM EST
    I thoroughly read through the report and was struck by a number of things:

    • That many of the top level cabinet members spent a lot of time and energy on the topic of trooper Wooten. The list includes the Commission of Boards and Commissions, the governor's chief of staff, the Attorney General, the governors secretary and at least 4 of the top members of the state police.

    • That Todd Palin has been the acting governor including sitting in on cabinet meetings and assuming the role of main contact.

    • That the governor tied department funding to the issue that the Alaska State Troopers wouldn't dismiss one specific officer.

    • The reason Walt Monegan was fired was because the picture used on recruiting posters was that of trooper Wooten.

    I was left with the image of this being like the Beverly Hillbilly's, accidentally finding oil and becoming thrust into a culture that they clearly didn't comprehend.

    Virtually every statement that the Palin administration made, from we never put pressure on anyone to fire trooper Wooten, to the reasons for firing Monegan, to her absolutely clear promise to cooperate with the investigation have been dishonest. People in Alaska understand that the Palin claims of partisanship were to drive the polls in 'the lower 48 states' and come November 5th, her political prospects are toast.

    There's no doubt in my mind that immediately after the November election, the Alaskan legislature will take up the issue and if they don't end up impeaching Todd and Sarah, they will censure them publicly because the Republicans will need the political cover. It will be the Republicans in Alaska that will finish her off.

    Caption (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:47:50 AM EST
    this.

    Paulson's dragging butt nationalizing his banks (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:35:17 PM EST
    Not us though, the EU is going to be big, really really big.........Muwahahahahaha

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    2012 Obama opponents (none / 0) (#21)
    by WS on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:24:53 PM EST
    Assuming Obama does win, who are the likely GOP opponents for Obama in 2012?  Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Huckabee?  What about Bobby Jindal? they've been grooming him for some time but I bet he'll wait for 2016.  

    Jindail... (none / 0) (#26)
    by prose on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:50:16 PM EST
    will be a serious contender.  He is one of the GOP national figures that don't make me cringe.  Then again, I was saying that about McCain in '04.  I should never underestimate the GOP base's ability to make a seemingly reasonable person into an absolute scoundrel.  

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    Jindal is for sure a threat (none / 0) (#30)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 02:11:01 PM EST
    He doesn't make me cringe, either-- until I listen to what he's actually saying, which is standard GOP Neanderthal crap, just without the sneering and baiting.

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    Fox News working hard to... (none / 0) (#25)
    by prose on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:48:28 PM EST
    convince voters not to turn out, ostensibly arguing that states like mine (Indiana) will go the way they always have.  A sneaky effort to fight against Obama's wide-spread appeal.

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