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Wellstone and Franken

Ezra Klein reminds us that today is the 6th anniversary of Paul Wellstone's tragic passing. Ezra is right when he writes the way to honor Wellstone is to help Al Franken, who was very close to Wellstone, recapture the Senate seat Paul Wellstone held from the awful Norm Coleman:

Al Franken, is locked in a grindingly tight race with Norm Coleman, the principle-free conservative who now occupies Wellstone's office in the Senate. I can think of few better ways to mark the anniversary than to help recapture that seat for liberalism. And though I myself, for legal reasons, can't think of any ways one could do such a thing, I'm sure Al Franken's site could give interested souls a bit of guidance.

Franken's web site.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    I think Al's going to win (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:34:24 PM EST
    I didn't think that earlier this season.

    I never understood why Franken (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by robrecht on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:37:15 PM EST
    wasn't winning easily prior to this point.

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    Really? (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:40:10 PM EST
    Try to imagine Rush Limbaugh running for office. I know, Al's smart and Rush is an idiot, but they both cast partisan and fairly disagreeable profiles.

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    Of Tina Fey running for VP. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 02:10:26 PM EST
    No comparison (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:33:29 PM EST
    Limbaugh and Franken's profiles are neither equally disagreeable nor even comparable.  Limbaugh's conservatism makes Franken's liberalism seem utterly and completely mild.  Franken would have conservatives on his show, he'd go to a rib joint every week and seek them out for contrasting opinions and jousting, good natured at that.  Limbaugh is completely and entirely is a product of preaching to the choir, and of treating those with opposing views like dirt.  

    ANY genuinely liberal candidate, in a nation where over 90% of people claim to believe in God, is going to have an uphill battle almost every time.  This country was founded, pre-founding fathers, by religious fanatics.  The reason there aren't any puritans left in Europe is because a long time ago they all got on boats and sailed right here, and they started a country.

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    actually, they didn't (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by cpinva on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 02:02:59 AM EST
    do so of their own accord.

    The reason there aren't any puritans left in Europe is because a long time ago they all got on boats and sailed right here, and they started a country.

    they were so obnoxious, even the dutch calvinists (incredibly obnoxious in their own right) couldn't stand them, and they were "invited" to leave, under pain of death.

    al franken is a very smart, well educated guy. it would be interesting to see him and mark warner (also a very smart, well educated guy) together in the senate.

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    Guess it's a blind spot for me (none / 0) (#4)
    by robrecht on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:41:58 PM EST
    All I really know about Minnesota politics are very fond childhood memories of Hubert Humphrey.

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    Wellstone's passing (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:57:20 PM EST
    I happened to be in Minneapolis/St. Paul speaking at a continuing legal education seminar for criminal defense lawyers. The news came in the middle of my talk. Everyone was devastated. I wrote it up at the time here.

    He was running against Coleman at the time. Interestingly, Coleman had been a criminal defense lawyer but the lawyers there I spoke to didn't like him or want him to win. They loved Wellstone.

    What a wonderful, heartfelt post (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by barryluda on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:06:31 PM EST
    I wasn't reading TL in 2002.  Thanks for the link.

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    Hillary cut an ad for Al! (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 02:13:58 PM EST
    Check it out here.

    She's raising money for him too (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Democratic Cat on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM EST
    I got an email from Hillpac just last week soliciting donations to Franken. Every week or less, I've been getting an email asking for donations for selected Dem candidates. I like the people she's working to elect, including Franken.

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    Bill sent one also from Hillpac (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:45:36 PM EST
    They're one hardworking couple when it comes to campaigning for others.

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    coat tails.... (n/t) (none / 0) (#38)
    by Fabian on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 08:38:47 AM EST
    Her commercials just work (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:48:03 PM EST
    one thing that stood out for me in her campaign is that her commercials really seem to connect with the viewer, whether she was in them or it was one of her supporters.

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    This doesn't surprise me (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:27:47 PM EST
    Hillary is a true blue Democrat.  

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    I still hold a grudge (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by kenosharick on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:50:05 PM EST
    about the WAY that coleman won. His campaign distorted and lied about the Wellstone memorial and used it politically to beat Mondale. Just as bad was chambliss here in Georgia winning by running ads that morphed war hero Sen. Max Cleland into bin laden. I would LOVE to see those two get their butts whipped on Nov 4.

    God I love Franken (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 06:28:16 PM EST
    With everyone concerned about what directions the Dems will go in when they hold all the cards, I can't think of a time when we desperately need us some Al Franken on the Hill more than right now!

    Thanks Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by john horse on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 09:49:47 PM EST
    for the Paul Wellstone remembrance.  Even though I'm from Florida I felt like Senator Wellstone was representing me too.  

    What I admired about Paul Wellstone was that he was a person who would not sacrifice his principles no matter what the political price and his fierce determination to do what was right.  He was in short everything that John McCain pretends to be.

    Though Al Franken is less liberal than Wellstone, I think he is also someone of integrity and fierce determination which is why I hope Franken wins.

    Thanks BTD (none / 0) (#37)
    by john horse on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 07:41:31 AM EST
    How could I have mistaken you for Jeralyn?  

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    Irony (2.00 / 0) (#17)
    by koshembos on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:32:22 PM EST
    Ezra Klein, one of the faux-liberals that have brought us Obama the least liberal candidate, writing about Wellstone, the most liberal senator, is ironic. Or as we say in French: it's chutzpa.

    Chuck Todd (none / 0) (#7)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:27:26 PM EST
    reported recently, and I've heard similar reports elsewhere that leading Congressional Democrats are secretly praying for Al Franken to lose.  Isn't that interesting?

    Isn't anyone interested in who these Democratic party leaders are?  

    Why? (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by robrecht on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:34:35 PM EST
    Because he's a true liberal who will show them up as imposters?

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    Sounds right to me. (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by sallywally on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:55:35 PM EST
    I loved his show on Air America because he was so wonderfully on point and backed up with facts. He would be a great questioner in hearings and I imagine would represent a very liberal heritage. Not Wellstone, of course.

    I really hope he is elected. It would make C-Span a lot more fun. And perhaps he could help create a real influence for serious progressive ideas.

    And yes, I think he would show the "establishment" Dems up for what they are.

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    Because (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by Steve M on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 02:58:14 PM EST
    they are under the impression that they have a reputation as Serious People that he will undermine.

    In reality there are very few elected Democrats who can explain policy points as clearly and effectively as Al Franken.  So they ought to get over themselves.

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    You'd have to ask these Democratic leaders (none / 0) (#9)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:52:13 PM EST
    Apparently, Franken is a bit of a joke to the boys in the club.  They can't let him in their club, the next thing you know they'll be all kinds of Hollywood celebrities that will want to crash their party.  Norm Coleman is a least one of "them" you know.

    It's interesting, he's the only Dem I'm sending money to this crazy year, and it turns out our fearless leaders in Congress don't want him to win.  

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    I'm more interested in seeing (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by brodie on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:31:55 PM EST
    your cite to the alleged remarks by Todd.  A number of major Dem congresscritters, including cong'l leaders, were regular and warmly-received guests on his radio show, for several years.

    Otoh, I wonder how many cong'l Dems could actually be pulling for turncoat, slippery Coleman to pull it out.  A tossup Repub seat holding for the Rs would prevent Ds from reaching the 60 seat mark to prevent filibusters.    

    Btw, Dem senate bigwig Hillary Clinton was just in MN a few days ago stumping for Franken.  

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    Sure (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:22:46 PM EST
    I'm just relaying what I heard.  He was pretty open about it.  It seems to be an open secret with the inside the beltway crowd.

    Has anyone seen Obama and Franken together?

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    Thx for the link. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by brodie on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 06:44:58 PM EST
    I'm pretty skeptical of most of these MSMers and their unattributed gossip items.  Get back to me about Todd when he names names -- you know, actual honest reporting that can be checked.

    Now, I don't doubt that a few of the more fuddy-duddy old-timers and more conservative members of my party would prefer Coleman be facing the usual standard-issue Dem policy wonk offering up the typical boring personal profile.  Perhaps some who've been there awhile and who haven't exactly distinguished themselves with their safe, carefully calculated centrist voting patterns might well have reason to fear getting a more dynamic and nontraditional primary opponent next time.

    Though these Dem pols needn't worry too much -- the Dem history has been for the politically-inclined Hollywood types  (Franken is not Hollywood, btw) to make a lot of noise, sound off righteously on shows like Bill Maher and Larry King and The View, but then draw the line when the talk begins to get serious about them running for office.

    The Repubs run celebs for higher office, and often they succeed -- even to the presidency ferchrissakes.  Repubs embrace it if they have the right horse -- Ronnie and Arnold for sure -- but Dems are very conflicted about it.

    I hope non-Hollywood type Franken makes it.  He would be defeating a true weasel of major turncoat proportions in Coleman, and he would probably shakes things up in that insular, timid and semi-corrupt body in some entertaining Mr Franken Goes to Washington ways.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#32)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 07:13:29 PM EST
    Get back to me about Todd when he names names

    Well of course that's not going to happen.  These weasels would never allow themselves to be quoted for attribution.  That's not how it's done.

    As you saw, Chuck Todd was very matter of fact about it.  And I did see others report essentially the same thing.  I think Andrea Mitchell might be one.

    But I think sometimes the proof is in the pudding. Which leading Democrats are vigorously putting their shoulders behind his campaign?  
    Besides Senator Clinton?

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    Remember the scene in BROADCAST NEWS ... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 03:24:53 AM EST
    where Holly Hunter's character complains about members of the White House press corp talking to each other, and then reporting the conversations and attributing it to "White House sources."

    Something like that is probably the case here.

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    Franken supported the war (none / 0) (#10)
    by Pepe on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:54:22 PM EST
    in Iraq in the beginning because of his love for Israel as evidenced by what he said often on his radio show. Wellstone never would have supported the war.

    Franken will be a hawk when it come to Israel and maybe that is part of the reason others in congress do not want to see him win.

    Personally I find it hard envisioning Franken as a senator. He will just not fit in. He'd be a better fit in the House where he wouldn't be as visible.

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    So what. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by mm on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 06:40:30 PM EST
    Franken will be a hawk when it come to Israel

    Does that disqualify him?  If so, does it disqualify all the other Democrats in the Senate that are hawkish when it comes to Israel?  How about Joe Biden?  Chuck Shumer?  Let me know what the list is.

    maybe that is part of the reason others in congress do not want to see him win.

    Not very likely.

    After all Franken has done for progressive causes, his "love for Israel" offends you?  

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    Al said often on his show (none / 0) (#18)
    by brodie on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:39:40 PM EST
    that he'd initially backed the Iraq res because he believed people like Powell and some security experts from the Clinton admin, that Saddam likely had hidden WMDs.  But by 2004, the beginning of his radio show, he was expressing skepticism about Junior's War, and strongly backed Kerry's position, including emphasis on orderly withdrawal.

    Btw, Wellstone courageously voted against the AUMF.  But it was hardly an immediate slam-dunk decision.  Iirc, he decided to go back home to sound out his constituents first before announcing his opposition.

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    Franken said plenty enough (none / 0) (#26)
    by Pepe on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 05:00:15 PM EST
    about Israel during the beginning of Iraq. Same with Israel and Lebanon when he was cheer leading that one too on the radio. If you wish to ignore his Israel love and hawkishness now and in the future that is up to you but ignoring it does not make the past disappear nor will it change his actions in the future.

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    Nah, I don't doubt AF's (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by brodie on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 06:12:51 PM EST
    support for Israel, just that I don't put him with the Bush admin neocon hawks who want to "protect" that state at all costs, including starting up a little war action with Iran if they get a 3d term with McSame.

    As for Iraq, he's about as hawkish since 2004 as Kerry, Hillary and Obama -- i.e., he's been pushing for a clear exit strategy for quite a while and concurs with Obama's timetable for withdrawal w/n 18 months.  Some hawk he turned out to be.

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    From a semi-native (none / 0) (#21)
    by mg7505 on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:13:48 PM EST
    Minnesotan: he actually connected with a lot of youth too, which was surprising for a Senator and Minnesota politics in general.

    But Wellstone Love is bittersweet. A lot of people were put off by his televised funeral, where his son and others chanted "we will win! [the ongoing race against Coleman]." Conservatives then raised hell because a random liberal fringe cried conspiracy. Sadly, these events impacted Wellstone's legacy (this is the kind of thing that disgusts me about the far-Right). That may explain why he hasn't been invoked a lot in MN politics of late. I do wish the candidates talked more about him though; the guy was amazing, and obviously shouldn't be held accountable for the cr*p that other people said.

    my favorite Al quote re the Senate race in MN: (none / 0) (#29)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 06:29:56 PM EST
    ..."at least I'll be the one New York Jew who actually grew up in Minnesota!"