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Guardian: Hillary To Accept State

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Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama's advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton's foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

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    I wonder if Hillary talked with Colin Powell ... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:27:13 PM EST
    about what a crap job this can be?

    But his (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by WS on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:29:25 PM EST
    bosses were Bush and Cheney. Big difference.  

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    We'll see (none / 0) (#4)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:29:57 PM EST
    Probably not (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by TheRealFrank on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:30:52 PM EST
    But she did talk to Madeleine Albright while they were both in the White House. For example.


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    It's an AWESOME job (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Pepe on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:06:35 PM EST
    and it will need someone like Hillary to get the tough job ahead done.

    In reading past threads the last few days there are a lot of people here who have no sense of history about just how influential a SoS can be. The are not a puppet with the President pulling the stings.

    And one can be certain that Clinton got agreement from Obama just what the job would entail and what latitudes and influence she would have or she would not accepted the job.

    Just in recent times even Powell had Bush's ear for a while in making him go to the UN. Rice, after the exit of Rummy and company even picked up some clout with Bush. The SoS is one of the President's closest advisers when it comes to foreign affairs and with her connections and personal relationships you can be sure she will have Obama's ear. In fact she knows the ground game better than he does besides personally knowing the right people.

    And in Obama World the SoS in the long run will be more important than SoD post-Iraq. That being the case Hillary will have tremendous power. Talk not guns is what the Sos is all about - although I can't think of anyone better to bring both carrots and sticks to the table.

    Madame Secretary. Well deserved. Has a nice ring to it. I bet she is as excited as she has been in a long time.

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    Absolutely! (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:02:54 PM EST
    My thoughts exactly..

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    Nice. Let's wait for (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by rooge04 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:31:06 PM EST
    Markos' and co. heads to explode in 1...2...3...KABOOM!

    it is telling (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by jes on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:04:27 PM EST
    that Marcos, as far as I know, has gone dark on this subject. The only thing I've seen over there is the recent silly Scout post, and even she called Hillary's pending appointment a win-win, though she had to get in digs about both Clintons while at it.

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    His only concentration right now is getting (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:07:35 PM EST
    Lieberman out of the party and holding any Senator who doesn't agree accountable.

    I don't really disagree about Lieberman but there are other important things right now that need to be held accountable.

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    I agree that is his primary focus (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jes on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:12:00 PM EST
    but he can walk and chew gum. If he were against it, I think he would say so. I think he isn't against it, and am not sure why he won't weigh in. He certainly isn't afraid of pi$$ing people off.

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    Markos will be as successful as he was in '06 (none / 0) (#81)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:26:56 PM EST
    Lieberman faked Markos out, surviving to reclaim his senate seat.  I think Markos is going to be disappointed once again.  

    I'm no fan of Lieberman, but I think Markos is wasting his time again.  

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    by only thing, I meant (none / 0) (#14)
    by jes on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:05:28 PM EST
    from a front pager...

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    The phrase you're looking for ... (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by lambert on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:54:26 PM EST
    ... is "intracranial splatterfest."

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Good one! And if there's any verbal opposition, (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:18:18 PM EST
    it could then become "intercranial splatterfest(s).

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    Good (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:50:10 PM EST
    I was not a Hillary supporter originally, but I came to have huge amounts of respect for her during the primary. I think she'll do a great job.

    Besides, it will be fun watching people's heads explode. ::devoius snort::

    devious (none / 0) (#8)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:50:51 PM EST
    devious

    oh god, I need some sleep ...

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    If this is true (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Spamlet on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:03:05 PM EST
    I will definitely sleep better at night. Good on Hillary, and good on Obama.

    Good (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Lora on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:03:48 PM EST
    I think she'll do a great job also.  Go Hillary!

    Ok, the meanness in me really would (5.00 / 8) (#12)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:04:22 PM EST
    like to see Bill Richardson's face right now. Karma, Bill.

    I think she'll do a great job but if I could snap my fingers and make it so, I'd make her a powerful Senator. I just don't think that will happen.

    Good for Obama. He really listened to her in those debates...it also shows to me that unlike many of his supporters, he recognizes politics for politics and doesn't make it personal. I didn't think that at first, and I still don't about some of his campaign officials, but I do him.

    It is John Kerry I think of (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:07:05 PM EST
    especially after the article that came out saying he wants SoS...oh, the Kerry DRAMA!

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    Him too! :) (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:13:30 PM EST
    I am glad you said this (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Jjc2008 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:07:13 PM EST
    would like to see Bill Richardson's face right now. Karma, Bill.

    Thought I was the only one with a mean streak.  I just wanted shout..."what goes around..."

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    I couldn't be mean to his face, but I (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:11:50 PM EST
    really believe he lied to Bill Clinton and wanted some of the Obama love to rub off on him. I also think Hillary will do a better job than him, no matter what his resume says.

    I am positive that Bill and James Carville are getting a kick out of this! :)

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    I agree and (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Jjc2008 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:18:40 PM EST
    the truth be told, there have always been some "womanizing" rumors around Bill.

    I just resented his attitude after he endorsed Obama. I had no problem with him making a choice..we all have that right but he really tried to make himself some kind of victim because Bill was not happy with it.  Come on, Bill opened doors for this guy.....lots of doors.  His smarmy attitude came from guilt.

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    I'd like to join the schadenfreude-fest, er, club (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:34:47 PM EST
    too.

    I've never understood why so many people seem to admire Richardson. Sure, he has a thick resume, but one wonders how he obtained it. From what I can determine, it's not from his elegant or persuasive communication skills or his extensive knowledge of policy and other weighty governmental matters.

    I think my streak of vindictiveness comes from the way in which he approached his announcement of support for Obama. I perceived it more as his anti-Clinton lack of endorsement, which he seemed to execute with a tad too much pleasure.

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    Mean streak for three, please ;) (5.00 / 6) (#24)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:14:30 PM EST
    After how slimy Richardson was on the MSM circuit after endorsing Obama . . . . HA!

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    Joining mean club (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:27:22 PM EST
    I can't resist (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by vigkat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:36:17 PM EST
    Me too!  He was insufferable.

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    I'm in (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Spamlet on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:54:05 PM EST
    Mega, mega dittos! (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:36:20 PM EST
    Move over!

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    I agree (5.00 / 6) (#23)
    by Democratic Cat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:13:39 PM EST
    It says good things about Obama and good things about her too.

    If she was powerful in the Senate, I would have a different view, but the fact is that she is not, and the Senate is too steeped in tradition and people want to protect their turf too much for her to be a real force there.

    Taking State rather than staying in what is likely a lifelong career in the Senate says that she is a risk-taker. I applaud her for it and him for offering it. Regarding Richardson and Kerry, I am reminded of the old Willie Brown quote: "Any politician that can't take people's money and then turn around and screw them, doesn't belong in the business."

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    Also, it demonstrates her self-confidence! (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:37:46 PM EST
    Taking State rather than staying in what is likely a lifelong career in the Senate says that she is a risk-taker. I applaud her for it and him for offering it.

    Also, she seems good at assessing risks and where she stands within such a framework.

    Since she accepted the position, Hillary probably already has plans for the impact that she can make. Even though she's obviously willing to take risks, she seems wise enough to discern which ones would be beneficial for herself and for the country.

    Hillary must have recognized the obstacle she faced in the Senate, and as a result, she decided to make her mark elsewhere.

    I, too, applaud Obama. As I said elsewhere, it's an indicator of his determination to select the strongest personnel for his Cabinet and all of his team. Moreover, it demonstrates his own self-assurance, and his willingness to acknowledge that he doesn't know it all and will need wise counsel by many others.

    I commend and congratulate both Hillary and Obama.

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    Obama appears to have more inner strength than (none / 0) (#89)
    by BlueDevil on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 01:27:48 AM EST
    some of us gave him credit for. Good on Obama.

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    My advice? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:54:48 PM EST
    Ok, the meanness in me really would like to see Bill Richardson's face right now.

    Wait until the swearing in ceremony to gloat.  Many a slip twixt something and something else that rhymes with slip.

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    Mouth and lip. (none / 0) (#34)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:55:15 PM EST
    Why do I always think of these things right after I hit Post?

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    You lost me Larry. Is this a comic book (4.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:58:08 PM EST
    or Simpson's comment? :)

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    No, the old saying is. . . (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:04:17 PM EST
    Many a slip twixt mouth and lip

    Sort of like "Don't count your eggs before they're hatched".  Meaning, I'd like to see Bill Richardson's face if and when Clinton is sworn in as Secretary of State, but I'll believe it when I see it, and not before.

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    Sorry guys.... (none / 0) (#55)
    by robert72 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:37:55 PM EST
    It's 'Many a slip between CUP and lip....'

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    Yes, it does. . . (none / 0) (#57)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    make rather more sense that way, doesn't it?

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    It's amazing the range of topics that I can be (none / 0) (#78)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:03:26 PM EST
    educated on just by reading this site!

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    Teresa. . . (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:17:26 PM EST
    I don't know why that other commenter downrated you, but if you're reading, other commenter, and thought that Teresa was insulting me, she wasn't -- she was making a reference to a previous discussion.

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    cymro doesn't know that I'm a dummy (none / 0) (#50)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:27:37 PM EST
    when it comes to certain things. :) Maybe it's the southern thing. I do understand counting chickens before they hatch and I agree. I'll cross my fingers and hope.

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    I am often a dummy too, but ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by cymro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:52:27 PM EST
    .. I just object to people using up blog space to make a point of their ignorance when using Google would have educated them ten times over.

    In this case: Many a slip twixt * and *

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    Shoot (none / 0) (#77)
    by Spamlet on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:57:27 PM EST
    Google would have educated them ten times over

    Now I'm almost sorry I went to Harvard.

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    Maybe you should be sorry? (none / 0) (#80)
    by cymro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:24:50 PM EST
    If you think a comparison with Google is relevant, then Harvard may have been a waste of money.

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    Insults like this (none / 0) (#90)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:06:19 AM EST
    imo are inappropriate and unproductive

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    Between the CUP and the lip (none / 0) (#75)
    by Spamlet on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:55:19 PM EST
    Can't imagine who would be the more crestfallen, (none / 0) (#88)
    by BlueDevil on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 01:13:22 AM EST
    Richardson or Kerry. Richardson is probably more angry, because after all, he shoved Hillary under the bus to support Obama, who then chose Hillary.

    There is justice in the world!

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    hooray (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by jedimom on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:05:29 PM EST
    this is totally awesome, thats the first thing that springs to mind

    It is for me a Come to Jesus Moment


    if it is true (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:19:06 PM EST
    and she does take it (not that I have any reason to doubt the veracity of the article, just sayin') I think it is to her credit.  The next four years are going to be a huge window into accomplishing one of her biggest dreams, universal healthcare.  We might also see the realization of a HOLC-type project, which she proposed quite some time ago.  Seeing healthcare become Hillarycare is something some of us superfans actually want, and what some cynically think she wants more than anything else; I think it's interesting that she's leaving the Senate and not staying to try and stamp her name all over the domestic agenda.  Instead she's going to carve a niche as SoS.  I wonder what she has in mind?

    It seems that she is blocked in the Senate (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Democratic Cat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:22:39 PM EST
    Kennedy and Baucus are going to run the show. I dunno, maybe she wants to blaze a new trail rather than bring everyone up to where she was 15 years ago.

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    Seems that some people in the Senate would (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:08:37 PM EST
    like nothing better than obstruct her efforts! Is it because she's a woman, a Clinton, or both? Or, perhaps it's some other factor unknown to me.

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    better she's not part of Healthcare? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Change101 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:35:46 PM EST
    also, maybe her not being a part of the UHealthcare stuff will make it more likely to pass?  Repubs will find it harder to attack it as Hillarycare if she's not even in the Senate.  She gets her plan in, but w/o the headache of her name on it.

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    SOS not healthcare job (none / 0) (#32)
    by Rashomon66 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:52:42 PM EST
    Correct me if I am wrong on this but I don't believe Secretary of State has a lot to do with domestic issues. Therefore Univesal Healthcare would not be in her realm. She would actually be better in the Senate for such a Healtcare plan.

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    I know (none / 0) (#37)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:01:27 PM EST
    universal healthcare has been her trademark for a long time.  Universal healthcare is plausible now but she's taking a different route and she won't get an opportunity to influence it.  I just think it's interesting...maybe it speaks more to the structure of the Senate than anything else.

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    Champion for UHC (none / 0) (#91)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:08:53 AM EST
    Would anyone else like to see Elizabeth Edwards at HHS?  She's been working for Podesta (?) think tank on healthcare issues.

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    This is rich (5.00 / 11) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:10:04 PM EST
    Josh Marshall not buying it:

    About that Guardian story reporting that Hillary's going to accept Obama's State Department offer ... Regular readers know I put next to no stock in what the British papers report about American politics. And in this case, I'll believe it when I see it with some real sourcing and from another news outlet.

    Like Drudge Josh? Cuz you believed his lies about the Clintons spreading the Obama in Muslim garb e-mail.

    The man is a freaking joke.

    Yikes (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:12:54 PM EST
    more recently, he ran with the story that Bill was phoning people in support of Lieberman, which was then denied.  

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    guardian has been (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Salo on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:13:43 PM EST
    excellent with predictions about politics in the us

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    guardian has been (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:17:39 PM EST
    much more objective about the election overall. not susceptible to bizarre americana love of clinton hating. i started reading it regularly during the primary.

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    I can't remember the last time (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:20:09 PM EST
    I actually opened up TPM. I don't even have him in my reader. I just wait for you to report the atrocities.

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    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:24:10 PM EST
    The Guardian could of course be wrong.

    But for Marshall to pretend he has some standards is a freaking joke.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:37:32 PM EST
    It's much more likely that the Guardian is right than Mike Allen's unnamed "democratic official" who's been talking trash about the Clintons.

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    Oh I think (none / 0) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:45:26 PM EST
    some Dem official and someone in the Obama camp said that.

    Mike Allen did not make it up.

    As I wrote, not all of the Obama Team is No Drama, not now anyway.

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    One hopes that Allen's "dem official" (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:51:36 PM EST
    is getting the "change he deserves."

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    What is your evidence? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:52:33 PM EST
    Who in the Obama camp (which is about to include Clinton) said these things.

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    Mike Allen's article (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:54:51 PM EST
    He did not make it up.

    I know that is what folks will tell you but it is not true.

    Take Judy Miller for example. she never made up a quote. She just accepted them unthinkingly.

    See my point?

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    I see your point and I read the article (none / 0) (#66)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:01:51 PM EST
    I just think this is being turned into Obama camp is evil thing.  Which I don't understand- and I think there is just as much evidence to say the Obama camp is messing this up as there is the Clinton's aren't cooperating- that is there is zero evidence on either side.   This whole  move seem so win win for to me.

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    I still open it and, rarely, DKos. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Joelarama on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:37:44 PM EST
    It's sometimes good to see what a particular set of politically interested people are fixating on.  Much like Fox.

    I do not believe a word I read without independent verification, but it's keeping "informed" in a narrow, what-are-those-folks-bloviating-about-now, kind of way.

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    It fell "below the line" for me (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:40:09 PM EST
    I only have so many hours in the day and all.

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    Josh's new perspective and style (since the (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:51:45 PM EST
    primaries) are truly puzzling. Long ago, I used to go to TPM often, and considered it as a reliable and updated source of news and interesting tidbits.

    Maybe others know things about the situation that I don't, but it's almost as if Josh is being subsidized or that he became delusional or has some other "la-la land" diagnosis.

    Any info. about this from the more informed?

    (I feel guilty about the "la-la land" attribution since I'm trained in counseling and psychology.) Sorry if it offended anyone.

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    All of the foreign papers (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Amiss on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:03:40 AM EST
    have been nothing but elated about the possible appointment to SOS of Hillary. I was watching BBC the other nite and they were interviewing many heads of different countries about it and all of them were positive reactions. It is a shame that our own news can not be just as positive about this.

    Just sayin.

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    To be fair. . . (none / 0) (#48)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:25:10 PM EST
    I don't buy it either.  The author of that article makes several assertions about things going on in Clinton's mind that he can't possibly know.  And I note that while he says clearly that Clinton is going to accept that offer, his language about the offer being advanced in the first place is less clear.

    I think he's just speculating.

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    Actually (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:33:12 PM EST
    I disagree.

    I think the offer was de facto made Thursday night.

    It was conditional - vetting and conditions on Bill Clinton's prospective activities.

    Would the Clintons accept the conditions? The answer is yes.

    Now it is in the "security clearance" stage - the vetting to make sure there is nothing that is too much to take. No one expects there to be anything that bad and the story is bascially saying Bill has accepted the conditions and Hillary wants the job.

    It's a done deal imo. And I think the guardian story is reporting that Bill accepted the prospective conditions.

    Here's the thing, newspapers do not make sh*t up generally.

    They SLANT things. They draw incorrect conclusions. but they do not make things up.

    Two Times examples - the Times Kazakhstan story. They reported actual facts but drew outrageously preposterous conclusions.

    the Times Iseman/McCain story. They reported facts but then implied preposterous conclusions.

    Here, the conclusions are not only NOT preposterous, they make perfect sense.

    The only thing standing in the way now is some incredibly bad problem in past Clinton donations . Seems extremely unlikely.  

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    I would imagine (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by robert72 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:49:24 PM EST
    it was also very conditional on Hillary's conditions.
    I think Bill dislikes and mistrusts Obama (with good reason) and I think there would have to be lots of conditions on her side before she would touch it - and that is only right.
    Perhaps Obama is suddenly realizing that he will be RESPONSIBLE and that he needs the advice and support of the best people or he will be another GWB. To do that he will have to bow to superior knowledge and experience - which will be difficult for him - unless I have misjudged his ego. If he does choose the best and brightest - he may actually do well... and get the applause. If he doesn't and makes poor decisions and chooses sycophants - he WILL be another Bush.


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    Or maybe (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:54:09 PM EST
    You should give a little respect.

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    Laugh! (none / 0) (#92)
    by robert72 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 at 08:23:51 PM EST
    Obama has always used others to get ahead. Any arguments with that?
    His accomplishments due to his hard work could be written on a postage stamp - except for elections, of course. He has never, as far as I know, helped anyone personally. If he had, it would have been public knowledge.

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    To be fair to Obama (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Manuel on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:56:54 PM EST
    That doesn't appear to be how he thinks.  For an example take a look at the Harvard Law Review election.  Obama is very good at politics.  He is also very smart.  Unlike George Bush, he does not get uncomfortable when challenged.

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    The story that Greg Craig was (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by hairspray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:49:41 PM EST
    named chief WH counsel instead of the reported intelligence head was a good tip off that Hillary told Obama that SOS would only work if she didn't have to work with someone who detested her. The fact that Obama assigned him to a position in which he cannot work at cross purposes with her is a test of his strong desire to have her as SOS, IMHO.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#65)
    by lambert on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:57:35 PM EST
    Funny, "that's rich" was just what I was going to say too, about WKJM's obviously instrumental approach to sourcing. Poor guy probably can't think of anything else to say...

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    to needs a titan (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Salo on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:12:04 PM EST
    the cyphers like condi are a pain in the arse

    This is excellent news for our Country! (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:21:06 PM EST
    Let's see -- after about three or four years as secretary of state, than an appointment to the SPOTUS, me truly thinks.    

    Incredible! (5.00 / 5) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 09:40:11 PM EST
    Just incredible. I know, I know, nothing the MSM puts out should surprise anyone, but I just can't help it.

    First, there's Arianna Huffington, the best blogger a husband's alimony settlement can buy, interviewing Bill Maher. With robotic consistency, all this disgusting, smiling wretch could talk about was "the baggage." To Maher's credit, he answered, "actually, the Clintons are really two very boring people. They're probably the best policy wonks this country has ever produced. It's not the Clintons with ` the baggage,' it's the media and the pundits, who have no lives of their own, who project onto the Clintons all the garbage you read about." Good for Bill; I wonder if the frozen smile Huffington knew he was describing her?

    Then, there's CNN. It just doesn't stop. Do those fools know they've become caricatures of their own redundancy? "Baggage, baggage, baggage." Headline's flashing" "Will Bill's SECRET donors sink Hillary's nomination?"  Then the "reporter," with serious face, states, "sometimes recipients of charitable contributions want to remain anonymous, but NEVER donors"

    We've burned books, we've burned bras; maybe it's time to burn our TV's.


    I saw this too with AH (none / 0) (#87)
    by Amiss on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 12:06:15 AM EST
    I hate to watch her on the tube, cant understand half of what she says, although I think that is probably a blessing in disguise. She has never been a Clinton fan, tho, so her attitude did not surprise me. I thought Bill Mahr handled her well.

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    Honestly, I do not (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by JThomas on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:12:39 PM EST
    think there are that many who have a problem with Hillary as SoS. A few noisy bloggers but by and large...even at DKos...most are in favor of this move. Hillary is almost universally respected as a smart and capable person.
    Some might not like other things about her but her competence is not in question.

    Clinton choice (1.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Rashomon66 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:47:50 PM EST
    I'm all for it. Not sure why anyone would be opposed. I mean, I didn't vote for her in the primary but she is clearly a great choice - if indeed the buzz is true.

    Why would bloogers opppose (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Joelarama on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:33:29 PM EST
    it rather than giving Obama the usual benefit of the doubt on his choice?

    CDS.  Good, old-fashioned, pants-wetting CDS.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#1)
    by nycstray on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 06:18:48 PM EST
    But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.



    I wonder if Lord Drayson ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:01:02 PM EST
    predicted this?


    Better to be Vice President. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Joelarama on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:29:23 PM EST
    Of course, I wanted Obama to choose Hillary as his running mate, to help the ticket not her.

    This would be great for her, if it is what she wants, and great for the country.

    Better than VP, I meant to say. nt (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by Joelarama on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:29:48 PM EST
    Excellent news if it pans out. (none / 0) (#36)
    by magnetics on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 08:00:09 PM EST
    I have always disliked this guy, and only voted for him because Palin scared me so badly.  That said, I have also said that he has a brain; and if he uses it, some good may be accomplished.

    This is an encouraging sign in that direction.