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Zogby Emerges From Undisclosed Location

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:14:51 AM EST
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By Big Tent Democrat

Speaking for me only.

After his Super Tuesday Debacle, John Zogby went into hiding. He did not poll the next 10 contests. Which is a shame for him as he has long had a strong anti-Hillary bias and no doubt he would have produced polls indicating big Obama wins. But he emerges today, with polls that, not surprisingly are in line with some of the polling that is already public.

The value of a Zogby poll? None. Zip. But it is fun to ridicule him. And I take that opportunity now.

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    My understanding (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ChrisO on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:00:56 AM EST
    is that Richardson said he may endorse "in the next few days." He may be leaving himself enough wiggle room to wait until after March 4, in case Obama wins big enough that it's all but over. In my opinion, anyone who endorses Obama now is not exactly a profile in courage.

    think Hillary will take Texas? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:18:08 AM EST


    You can make a lot of money (none / 0) (#2)
    by cannondaddy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:21:53 AM EST
    on Intrade if you do...

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    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:23:43 AM EST
    It seems you can't miss an opportunity to gloat. This is the most distasteful part of the Obama fandom. It is really ugly.

    I expect a "who me?" reply from you. I am not fooled.

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    the most distasteful part (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:27:43 AM EST
    I could not agree more.
    and I think that, it he loses, it will be because of this that some democrats may vote for Nader or stay home or whatever.
    gloating and name calling is not pretty.
    I keep saying I will support him no matter what but they dont make it easy.


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    And you never miss (none / 0) (#31)
    by cannondaddy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:21:52 PM EST
    an opportunity to tear down the candidate you "tepidly support".

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    No (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:22:22 AM EST
    I don't. But I am determined to wait for the voting before I call the race.

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    it will be interesting (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:25:32 AM EST
    to see who Richardson endorses and if it makes a difference.
    it is supposed to do that this week I think.
    he better hurry.


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    I doubt he will endorse (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:26:42 AM EST
    and I doubt it would be interesting if he did.

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    doubt it would be interesting (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:31:22 AM EST
    pfft

    fair enough.
    but I saw on some cable show (so it must be true) that he said he would endorse someone by the end of the week.


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    My reaction? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:32:16 AM EST
    zzzzzzz.

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    zzzzzzz. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:39:04 AM EST
    you dont think I could help her a little in texas?


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    I think its going to be Hillary (none / 0) (#33)
    by thereyougo on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:51:10 PM EST
    afterall, he is from the southwest and loyalty still counts for something in those parts.

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    I'll second that. (none / 0) (#12)
    by CLancy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:32:44 AM EST
    I'm tired of the horse race politics that polls seem to encourage (or do they result from it?). They seem to mostly exist to attempt to influence the electorate.

    BTW, wouldn't it be nice if, every election cycle, one pollster gets kicked out of the profession for being incompetent? This year, it would be a tough call between Zogby and ARG.

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    Zogby is not a pollster (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:33:58 AM EST
    He is a pundit.

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    for being incompetent (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:35:35 AM EST
    a slippery slope.
    where would it end? you would then have to move on to pundits and bloggers.


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    Excellent. You take all these pollsters (none / 0) (#25)
    by Cream City on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:03:16 AM EST
    and put them on an island . . . and let the American public vote them down, one by one.

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    before I call the race (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:23:41 AM EST
    such pre 9/11 thinking

    ;-)

    Zogby only asked me about NJ ads (none / 0) (#11)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:32:28 AM EST
    Last night I got his survey and it was about advertising for New Jersey. As I live in Penna, I get to Jersey a few times a year. He doesn't ask me for my political opinion anymore.

    Question BTW (none / 0) (#15)
    by flyerhawk on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:38:35 AM EST
    What do you think of this Pew Research poll that suggest that nearly twice as many Democrats are willing to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee than if Hillary is?

    Personally I think it is residual anger from distraught Clinton supporters who think their candidate has lost and that they will come back around by November.

    But it does invalidate the notion that the Obama supporters are the ones tied to their candidate and no one else in the party.

    See my latest post (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:42:37 AM EST
    Maybe that has something to do with it.

    BTW, that does not much help Obama's electability argument.

    What it does do is drive home my point that these two candidates NEED each other. Obama-Clinton, Clinton-Obama. That is needed now to unify the party.

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    Obama-Clinton, Clinton-Obama (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:45:44 AM EST
    I completely agree again.
    its hard to see it happening though.
    I hope it does.  I honestly think that either would have a hard time without the other at this point.
    I saw a bit of a Hillary speech where she seemed to hint it was possible.
    its just hard to imaging  her (or him) giving up the power they have in the senate for the "warm bucket of spit" that is the VP slot.


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    why would she accept vp though-- (none / 0) (#38)
    by kangeroo on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 04:32:19 PM EST
    so that he can screw her over again?  because that's pretty much all he's been doing throughout this campaign; screwing her over or encouraging others to do it.

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    I'll support our nominee (none / 0) (#34)
    by thereyougo on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:53:41 PM EST
    even though I wish it would be Hillary, but the thought of McCain again, would be a military draft and there you'd see people finally hit the streets in protest Viet Nam era once more.

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    this might be something too (none / 0) (#37)
    by Chisoxy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 04:06:15 PM EST
    according to this http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_ presidential_tracking_poll

    Obama has a 46% unfavorable rating, thats 3% higher than McCain. Thats amazing isnt it? He's getting an easy going in the media, hes known and the candidate of hope and change, hasnt had any serious negative campaigning done against him, and hes 3% higher than McCain? Wow.

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    it is residual anger (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:41:44 AM EST
    some of that.
    I think it is a lot more than that.
    I can tell you that a lot of what you might call blue collar democrats that I hear from are afraid of Obama.
    more afraid of him than they are of McCain.

    That does not speak well of them (none / 0) (#20)
    by flyerhawk on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:51:03 AM EST
    Why are they afraid of him?

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    the ones I speak with (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Kathy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:11:41 AM EST
    are afraid of him because he talks out of both sides of his mouth.  He says a woman's right to choose must be protected, but then he parses it down to a "moral" issue.  He does this NAFTA stuff (allegedly) with Canada.  His entire IL senate record consists of co-opting bills that other senators were working on and taking credit for them (ever wonder why every single piece of legislation Obama touts as having passed all came within one year?)  He acts as if he is above the dirty tricks of politicking, then turns around and does exactly that.

    I think they don't trust him, and it seems to me they have every reason not to.  We are at war.  We are in a recession.  Torture is being done in our name.

    Obama has made many speeches against these things while on the stump, but while in the US Senate, he took no leadership roles.  He did not join Byrd and the others.  He did not rail against Bush.  He skipped out on difficult votes the same way he did in IL.

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    yeah, he's not as bad as GWB (none / 0) (#35)
    by thereyougo on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:56:21 PM EST
    but, GWB wore me out of patience. I can't have that
    for another 4 years.

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    Why are they afraid of him (none / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:52:44 AM EST
    you would have to ask them that question.
    I am not defending them, I will vote for him.
    I am telling you what I hear.
    OK. (none / 0) (#23)
    by flyerhawk on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:43:39 AM EST
    Fear seems like a odd emotion but to each their own.

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    Kathy's answer above is good, but (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:02:27 AM EST
    doesn't seem to be from the viewpoint of the hypothetical blue collar worker.

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    How do polling agencies stay (none / 0) (#26)
    by Joike on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:37:50 AM EST
    in business if they are consistently wrong or biased?

    Are they like meteorologists where people just assume they'll be wrong most of the time?

    Or do they just blame their errors on the voters?

    I find it laughable when pollsters or people reading polls claim that those polled are lying.

    If so, why even bother with polls at all (other than it is a lucrative occupation) if the results can't be trusted.

    Either polls are effective at predicting results or we are all fools duped by the man behind the curtain.

    Well, first be a pollster. Then (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:03:25 AM EST
    manage a Pres. prim. campaign and haul in the big bucks.

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    Sadly, Zogby isn't the worst (none / 0) (#29)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:18:45 AM EST
    He's actually better according to the SUSA poll grades than ARG, Rassmussen, and IA.

    if zogby isn't a pollster (none / 0) (#30)
    by cpinva on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:51:15 AM EST
    why is he conducting, um, well, uh..........polls? that's usually what phone surveys are, aren't they?

    yeah, gov. richardson was such a huge force in the primaries..................... go down your street, ask 10 random people who bill richardson is. if 2 answer correctly, i'll be surprised. in fairness, these same 10 people will probably also think the "Bill of Rights" is a communist manifesto, so that might not be your best source of information.

    i think a new, "survivor: political pollster" reality show could be a one season hit. the difference with my concept is that the weekly loser isn't voted off the island, he/she dies during the show, killed by one or a team of the others. their heads are put on pikes set in a semi-circle around the campfire.

    tell me some network wouldn't pay huge bucks for that show!

    James Zogby is an Obama Super Delegate. (none / 0) (#32)
    by vicsan on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:26:08 PM EST
    When I found out that John Zogby's brother, James,  is an Obama Super Delegate, it answered many, many questions I had about why his polls were always skewed toward Obama. Take California...Obama was suppose to blow Hillary away, according to Zogby's poll,  but she ended up winning the State. I completely discount his polls now, knowing what I know about James Zogby.

    When I saw his new Texas and Ohio polls this morning, I just had to laugh. The results were exactly what I thought they'd be.

    wow, just wow. fork him he's done AFAIC (none / 0) (#36)
    by thereyougo on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 12:58:09 PM EST


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