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Monday Morning Rewind and Open Thread

For those of you offline during the weekend and now back at work and surfing around, here's some of what you missed on TalkLeft (we have more than 30 posts up for Saturday and Sunday -- these are a sampling of mine):

And since I've got to get back to work in the real world, this is an Open Thread.

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    Plus Ça Change (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by facta non verba on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:42:21 AM EST
    Obama's deception on money from oil companies and lobbyists.

    http://www.bythefault.com

    I tried using the link function but it didn't work. It is the top story.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#33)
    by BostonIndependent on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:16:32 AM EST
    That article is very clearly written, and further highlights an important and troubling fact re. Obama and the SD's (besides dis-enfranchising MI, FL voters). The Globe ran a similar article and  others have written about Hope Fund vs. HILLPAC spending on SD's campaigns. I'm personally somewhat troubled by this. Obama's spending highlights how he has actually been the more cyncical and calculating politician playing the system than Hillary but in principle, both of them are at fault. Is there anything we can do to clean this part of the system and disallow one candidate from funding another? In my mind, why are campaign warchests any different from corporations? Or am I missing the boat here?

    Update: I just spent some time on Open Secrets which is a wonderful site, and was struck by the fact that Obama's PAC has spent 300K$ on 2008 Dem candidates and Hillary 0$. Interestingly the latter's  expenditures have been on wages (providing jobs), while Obama's has been.. well.. on incumbents. Draw your own conclusions about hope and change. The correlation between this sort of PAC spending and super delegate endorsements is also striking. Is it just me that finds this weird and off-putting?

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    Obama is the energy trojan horse.. that (none / 0) (#38)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:07:03 AM EST
    is the main point of his candidacy, I think.
    He is by far the worst out of Edwards, Hillary and Obama.

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    I still don't know what to call it (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:52:37 AM EST
    I really think there's an anger at the foundation of Obama's support.

    I'm reminded of Tracy Morgan's final line in his rebuttal to Tina Fey.

    Take away that final line, or just take away the one word at the end, and the snear that accompanied it, and you know, I might be willing to buy the idea that the rest of it was funny.  Take away that one word at the end, and how it was spoken by Morgan at the end, and I probably would have agreed with BTD that it was funny.

    So now I see this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBGyuYKlxIg

    And it's cute.  I think it's sort of funny in a way (even if it is mis-informing people on the real nature of the race), until it gets to the last line.

    Why add that last line?  Wasn't the point made?

    Someone the other night called it "smacktalk on a basketball court."

    And I think that's a great way to describe Obama's support.

    But it's also laced with some real sociological sense of injustice.  I mean some of that is real.

    And it's dressed up in spiritualism.

    It's a nasty cocktail from my point of view.  Is that just because I'm a Clinton partisan and all that anger is directed at Clinton?

    I guess.

    I think it's more than that, though.   I think Obama not only agrees with Wright.  I think Obama LEARNS from Wright on how to conduct politics.

    of course (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by moll on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:27:07 AM EST
    I thought that was the whole point of Obama's appeal. You get to be angry at everyone (but without being a hateful person, THEY are the hateful person, that is why you are angry with them. What is wrong with America is THEY need hatin' on).  

    The difference between Wright and Obama is that Wright will own what he says - Obama will pretend he didn't say anything deliberately hateful when he was talking about X person or X group, and he will use his "explanations" as an opportunity to repeat the insult three times and then act innocent: "what did I do? It's only the truth, isn't it?"

    BTW with 'B*ch is the new black/Black is the new President', the use of the word B*ch' ignores the rule that says, if I am a member of X group, I can use derogatory language describing that group - for women, B*ch - for blacks, the n-word - Fey was right to not compare them, because she is not black and cannot use the n-word without being offensive.

    But a black man using the "b-word" is offensive in the same way a white woman using the "n-word" is. It's only "empowering" when it's empowering - not when it's used by someone outside the group to put down someone inside the group.

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    what's morgan's last line? (none / 0) (#3)
    by tnjen on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:22:37 AM EST
    I think it was (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:23:03 AM EST
    "B*tch may be the new black, but Black is the new President, b*tch!"  I like Tracy Morgan (I'm a big fan of "30 Rock") but I thought his tone was nasty.  Then again, I think I've lost my sense of humor during this primary season.

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    I think you've lost your sense of humor.... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:02:39 PM EST
    because that's funny.

    Most TL'ers should like it, to get the joke you have to know how unfair Hillary has been treated.

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    TeamO being bogged down with begged questions (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:31:33 AM EST
    I guess it's been awhile since they were able to dance to Signed Sealed Delivered and not be reminded that they've only managed 1/3 of that.

    Beggin': if Sen. Clinton's run is so obviously hopeless, why not simply sit back and watch her burn herself out? Why expend such pressure and resources sliming, wheedling and whining for her to go away instead? Why haven't the Noo Roolerz and party cognoscenti given her the hook and declared an Obama win?

    Didn't they even manage to drum it into her stubborn lil'old head that the script always called for her to bow out "gracefully" so as not to besmirch the hope that Any Guy Can Grow Up to be President???

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    That video was funny. (none / 0) (#43)
    by halstoon on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:44:43 AM EST
    It demonstrates just how unlikely a victory is for her. Perhaps soon rather than later she too will realize it.

    As for trash talk, President Clinton seems to be enjoying himself out there talking trash. Do you really expect Obama's supporters to allow the Clintons and the GOP to just talk all the trash they want with no response? That would be silly.

    New politics doesn't mean letting people attack you without response. It means beating those people so we can get some real work done.

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    It was a funny video (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:39:51 PM EST
    Until the end.

    It's like you folks can't make a criticism or a counter-attack without tacking on some kind of "And you know it, b**ch!" with the whole pointing gesture thing.\

    Whooop Whoopp.

    Holler.

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    That is just the nature of the game. (none / 0) (#58)
    by halstoon on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:46:51 PM EST
    What did President Clinton say? If you don't like it, keep your uniform off??

    Simply pointing out the fact that she has about a 10% chance of winning doesn't do any good. Pointing out that she went from up 16 to up 3 or down 3 or up 6 based on whose poll you read doesn't do any good. Pointing out that at this point she is doing damage not only to Obama but herself and possibly the party doesn't do any good.

    It's like you folks can't just accept the fact that she will not be president, at least not in 2009.

    Word.

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    Not to forget (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:34:38 AM EST
    the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Pittsburgh Paper's Endorsement of Clinton.  The best part:

    As we noted at the time of that meeting, Clinton's decision to sit down with the Trib was courageous, given our longstanding criticism of her. That is no small matter: Political courage is essential in a president. Clinton has demonstrated it; Obama has not.

    She has a real record. He doesn't.

    She has experience of value to a president. He doesn't.

    Clearly, she's the wiser choice to represent Democrats this fall.

    Sounds awesome to me.

    Hillary on Countdown tonight? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:35:25 AM EST
    I don't know if this is true, but somebody over at Taylor Marsh posted that Hillary will be on Countdown tonight.  

    Isn't Hillary on Countdown everynight? (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:46:37 AM EST
    Isn't that the entire show anymore? Let us know if it true that she conscented to be on Countdown tonight.

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    no stomach for it (none / 0) (#10)
    by miguelito on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:37:48 AM EST
    if true, I'll read about it here after.. Olberman makes me nauseous

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    Same here (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:41:47 AM EST
    but maybe I'll record it and fast-forward to the Hillary part.  One of Hillary's more stellar qualities is her ability to conduct herself with grace and dignity when dealing with a$$hats.  

    Also, she's going to be on Larry King and somebody on TM mentioned something about Lou Dobbs.  

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    Does anyone think (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Kathy on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:02 AM EST
    Obama would go on a show that openly criticized him?  (there must be one somewhere)

    This woman has some balls, lemme tell ya.  She does not back down from a fight.

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    I'm sure Olbermann is sweating it... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:22 AM EST
    ...more than she is. He's probaby been practicing his holier than thou look in the mirror just to make sure he gets it just right. How many times does Olbermann actually get to go one on one with the people he gives "special comments" to? Hillary walked into a meeting with Richard Mellon Scaife. Olbermann is a walk in the park next to that.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#17)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:40 AM EST
    He's probably practicing his Edward R. Murrow impression even as we speak.  I expect her to make mincemeat out of him - in a classy way, of course!

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    Absolutely not (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:37:03 AM EST
    He would never go on, say, Hannity or O'Reilly.  Heck, he doesn't want to debate with her anymore.  If he had his druthers, he'd just go around making speeches for the rest of the campaign.

    I said long ago, watching the debates when all the Democratic candidates were still in the race, that Hillary has more balls than all of them put together.

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    If anyone can pull it off (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:32:02 AM EST
    Hillary can.

    I hope she can avoid taking the bait re: Obama.  I know they'll try to bait her.  Her talking points should include three things:  America(/voters), Hillary Clinton, the Presidency.

    Over and over and over.  Hillary Clinton. President. America.  

    If Obama topics come up, use the standard line: "I prefer to focus on the issues/challenges, you should ask Senator Obama about that.".  After all, she shouldn't be expected to know anything about Ayers or Wright or any other Obama associate.

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    Smile and laugh and say (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:00:42 AM EST
    come on Keith! When she announced her candidacy, I recall that Keith was one of the media shows she had an exclusive interview ohn.  If she could work with Lindsay Graham who headed the impeachment prosecution of her husband, she can take on Olberman; either he gets even shriller, or he mellows against her until nomination time.

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    It's really hard (none / 0) (#30)
    by Kathy on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:03:33 AM EST
    to be that nasty to somebody's face.  I imagine he'll self-implode from hypocrisy.

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    In "Running Out of Planet (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Arcadianwind on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:33:17 AM EST
    to Exploit," Paul Krugman (in today's NY Times) raises some fundamental issues that need to be addressed substantively and in short order. The accelerating depletion of vital natural resources is much more than a technical problem...

    In speaking to general views on resource depletion/allocation, he states:

    How you answer this question depends largely on what you believe is driving the rise in resource prices. Broadly speaking, there are three competing views.

    The first is that it's mainly speculation -- that investors, looking for high returns at a time of low interest rates, have piled into commodity futures, driving up prices. On this view, someday soon the bubble will burst and high resource prices will go the way of Pets.com.

    The second view is that soaring resource prices do, in fact, have a basis in fundamentals -- especially rapidly growing demand from newly meat-eating, car-driving Chinese -- but that given time we'll drill more wells, plant more acres, and increased supply will push prices right back down again.

    The third view is that the era of cheap resources is over for good -- that we're running out of oil, running out of land to expand food production and generally running out of planet to exploit.

    He goes on to say he finds himself somewhere between the second and third views. I do as well, although I'm a bit more into the third.

    Sadly, the currently raging political debate has not touched much on it. Just talking about gas and food prices is not enough. Maybe it's too scary, too dangerous to discuss.

    What's down the road ahead? It may not look like "Mad Max" or "Soylent Green," but it's not looking very pretty.

       

    If you want to get really freaked out, (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Kathy on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:39:47 AM EST
    consider this: we are running out of helium.  The US private reserves could be deleted as quickly as 2015.  

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    Oh darn, that too... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Arcadianwind on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:42:32 AM EST
    and I forgot to add: Hope is not a plan.

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    I'm sad to say (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:45:40 AM EST
    again we must worry about the future of balloon animals.

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    Poor creatures (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Kathy on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:54:06 AM EST
    Will no one speak for them?

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    No one has done more than Obama (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:56:35 AM EST
    for the rights of balloon animals!

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    if we run out of helium (none / 0) (#21)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:44:20 AM EST
    Obama has an endless supply of hot air.

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    I read Pk this morning. (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:11:21 AM EST
    Very scary, but then, I've become resigned to the fact that the world is led by selfish short-sighted fools. How could corn-based ethanol ever reach the acceptance that it has (had) unless it weren't for all the "Bad Samaritans" ? And this is just one small example.

    Who are the movers and shakers that kept the world on a petrol path for decades and bought off scientists and patents and who really knows what other nefarious means to make sure we stayed on the road to chaos? Let's not even speak of rain forests that continue to be destroyed even tho that was a cause celeb decades ago.

    When I think of this I tend to retreat to my own corner of the world, to my garden, where at least I can take loving care of a little piece of this Earth. Sigh.

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    The road to chaos indeed, (none / 0) (#47)
    by Arcadianwind on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:07:58 PM EST
    that's the path we're on. And the sooner people accept that, and understand that there are other paths, and other methods, that can make a real difference, then we will moving in the right direction.

    In the meantime, I am in my garden also. The peas and greens are looking good, and I'm putting in some more tomatoes, Lemon Boys and Brandywines--two of my favorites!

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    Haven't read PK yet... (none / 0) (#37)
    by BostonIndependent on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:42:04 AM EST
    But .. I was very young when I read Limits to Growth and was deeply troubled. Jared Diamond's Collapse  strikes similar tones of fear and takes me back to my days as a kid.

    Among the three options I'd come down far more down on the side of option 3 (that we are running out planet to exploit) esp. because as I travel to countries in the Asia Pacific or read pieces on Vanishing Sea Ice or view the pictures of glacier disappearances, I don't see any counterbalancing forces. In fact just yesterday I read about a new fishing technique where fishermen attempt to train sea-bass to hone in on a sound, to improve their catch and I cannot help be worried.

    The only counterbalance is perhaps the fact that increasingly VC money is fueling new companies in green tech or alternative energy. See Mascoma Corp for example! I think the commodity traders are lemmings but they speak with volume, but once the last tree has been cut down, where are they going to put their money?

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    Chilean sea bass? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:12:51 AM EST
    Good luck to the fishermen.  That species is being completely over fished.  Makes me glad I don't eat much fish at all anymore.  Least I'm not part of that problem.

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    WaPo - Obama sharpens his tone (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:41:56 AM EST
    and the article includes video clip of Obama assserting McCain would be better than Bush.
    No doubt the RNC has already made that ad!
    http://tinyurl.com/53zxas

    And yet another Obama gaffe yesterday - "Special education is a huge drain on local communities."

    That special education gaffe ... (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:45:47 AM EST
    ...IMHO is just more proof that he is a Republican.

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    Dissing the needy? (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:40:00 AM EST
    That's conservative all right, but I'm missing the "compassionate" part of it.

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    or just a (none / 0) (#34)
    by miguelito on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:17:52 AM EST
    bass-ackwards Democrat.. he seems to lean right  on the issues he should be to the left on like having Universal health care, this special education gaffe,  his lack of commitment to the gay community, his stance on abortion is muddled at best... and then he is on the left when it comes to foreign policy, gun control and economics.  

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    Special ed? !!! (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:19:14 AM EST
    When I'm in the kitchen and Bush comes on and says something really stupid or infuriating, I'll flip the radio the bird.  I have two sons, the oldest is six.  They don't know I can swear.  They are BOTH in special education classes.  

    So, thank you so very, very much Barack Obama for making me glad once again that I voted for your opponent.  My finger is raised in your honor.

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    Good op-ed in LA Paper (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by scribe on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:42:03 AM EST
    Re  Yoo and his Torture Memos. Rightly places the question as whether the Memos came first, or the program did and the memos were drafted to cover for the on-going crimes.

    Me, I'm inclined to believe it was Program first, then cover-backside Memos.

    If you thought Hill vs Obama split was bad... (none / 0) (#5)
    by boredmpa on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:49:21 AM EST
    just imagine the fallout from this:

    PETA sponsors 'X-prize' for in vitro meat

    The pro-organic folks + the anti-meat folks VS pragmatists.  wow.

    Sunday night baseball (none / 0) (#8)
    by miguelito on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:26:58 AM EST
     it was nice to see a fan in Philly during the Sunday night baseball game last night on ESPN (lets go Mets!) holding up a Hillary sign right by the dugout

    SUSA - PA - Hillary leads by 6 (none / 0) (#25)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:50:32 AM EST
    Jesus! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Davidson on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:56:59 AM EST
    How the h*** did that happen?  She lost half of her previous margin!

    God, I'm going to be sick.  I thought, at worst, she'd remain the same and likely pick up a few percentage points but to lose so many so quickly (within 4 or so days) is incredible!

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    take it with a grain of salt (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by miguelito on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:10:54 AM EST
    I know it's SUSA but I just cannot believe she lost ground since the debate.  Do PA people really respond to his whining?  

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    Hate is a powerful drug (none / 0) (#35)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:27:43 AM EST
    and Obama has played it to the max!


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    Anecdotal (none / 0) (#44)
    by kayla on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:53:34 AM EST
    My cousin, an Obama supporter who voted in an earlier primary, called me the other day and told me that she thinks she pushed the wrong button.  She saw the last debate and felt that Hillary answered all of the questions better and he gave poor responses.  She kept saying, "I just don't think he's ready.  She's so smart!  She really thinks about the issues.  I just have more confidence in her."  If only her primary hadn't passed already.

    Hillary using Osama image in (none / 0) (#45)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:36:47 AM EST
    ad today:
    Linky

    She's asking who has what it takes to protect the country. Check out the Obama camp's reponse; it's classic. "Hope-a-dope.. we want the THINKING voter"
    ROFL.

    Endorse Obama knowing he will lose? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:54:37 AM EST
    CC of Trailmix in an interview on C Span put forth a disturbing strategy that Dem Delegates are endorsing Obama because he is hopefully bringing in more people to the Party knowing that he may not be able to win the General Election but that's ok because it grows the Party? I would suggest if that is actually the DNC and Dem Party leadership thinking, just as not seating Fla and Mich delegates was a massive blunder, this would be another, my guess donors did not fork over 200 Millions to grow the Party by participating in a fixed election and its not like people aren't aware of Party tactics during this primary.  And IMO this theme would only aid the republican narrative of Obama as the nominee of a Marxist Party ruled by bourgeoisie who prey of the peasantry and farmers who will not change.  I hope this is not true.

    When was that on? (none / 0) (#50)
    by waldenpond on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:42:02 PM EST
    and on which c-span.  I have c-span and c-span2.  It would be nice to track down a clip of that one.  I'll have to go check out noquarter.  They are usually pretty good at tracking stuff down.  I doubt those that aren't political junkies on the net are paying attention to the possibility there is a fix.

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    go to (none / 0) (#51)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:51:23 PM EST
    blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/ (none / 0) (#52)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:52:41 PM EST
    Craig Crawfords trail Mix its first up, seems I still do not use the linl correctly.

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    Gore favors Obama ? (none / 0) (#48)
    by waldenpond on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:30:50 PM EST
    and Donna Brazile is just tired of it all.

    ["Do you think for one minute that Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid will allow this fight to go on and on and on?" says Donna Brazile, an uncommitted superdelegate as an official of the Democratic National Committee, and manager of the 2000 Gore campaign. "There's a group around [Sen. Clinton] that really wants to take the fight to the convention. They don't care about the party. It scares me, and that's what scares a lot of superdelegates."]

    WSJ
    Party Chiefs Plan Push
    To Avoid Long Fight


    Fight for the Democratic Party? (none / 0) (#53)
    by Fitz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:02:53 PM EST
    I've been lurking here for about a month enjoying the rational debate about the election. I found this and was wondering what people here thought about this.

    Fight for the Democratic Party

    Who will vote for McCain POLL (none / 0) (#54)
    by waldenpond on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:29:23 PM EST
    Latest from talking head on Fox (leave me alone) David Peliogose (sp) Suffolk University Research Center...  44%

    20% will jump ship to vote for McCain.
    4% will vote for Nader.
    20% Undecided.

    What's worse is the Clinton supporters are still much more likely to vote for McCain.

    24% of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain.
    14% of Obama supporters will vote for McCain.

    Peliogose defined it as a 'mother/son' break (ugh).  Young men will not vote for Clinton (gasp, what a surprise), older women will not vote for Obama.

    Happy Belated 420 Everybody! (none / 0) (#56)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:49:06 PM EST
    Looks like the drew quite a crowd out in Boulder for the annual 420 celebration. Glad the cops decided not to bust the chops of those fine folks this year...there really is no point, we ain't ever gonna stop:)

    Early Dylan (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:22:10 PM EST
    Here are a lot of early Dylan tunes. He is not running for anything this season and has not endorsed anyone so it is OK to simply enjoy the music.....

    He occasionally (none / 0) (#61)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:55:15 PM EST
    plays for the kids at a local kindergarten that his grandkid attends. Many of the other kids think he's kind of a weird-sounding kooky guy. They'll be kicking themselves when they get older.

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    Nice (none / 0) (#62)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:15:28 PM EST
    Despite what they say, I am sure that he is having a great impact on the kids. Kids know more than they let on. Nice to hear that story.

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    Nice Tribute To Carter (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:58:08 PM EST
    By Israeli paper Haaretz:

    ......[Carter] was declared persona non grata by Israel.

    The boycott will not be remembered as a glorious moment in this government's history. Jimmy Carter has dedicated his life to humanitarian missions, to peace, to promoting democratic elections, and to better understanding between enemies throughout the world.

    [snip]

    But Israelis have not liked him since he wrote the book "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid."

    Israel is not ready for such comparisons, even though the situation begs it. It is doubtful whether it is possible to complain when an outside observer, especially a former U.S. president who is well versed in international affairs, sees in the system of separate roads for Jews and Arabs, the lack of freedom of movement, Israel's control over Palestinian lands and their confiscation, and especially the continued settlement activity, which contravenes all promises Israel made and signed, a matter that cannot be accepted. The interim political situation in the territories has crystallized into a kind of apartheid that has been ongoing for 40 years.

    And America is less ready for such comparisons.

    Condi: 'More War Please' (none / 0) (#60)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:44:24 PM EST
    OK...... Pretty Please

    from digby:

    Bring It On II

    The first time a Bush Administration official dared the Iraqi insurgency to attack Americans, they did, with devastating consequences that reverberate to this day. In a show of sound judgment, they went and did it again.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice mocked anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr as a coward on Sunday, hours after the radical leader threatened to declare war unless U.S. and Iraqi forces end a military crackdown on his followers.

    [snip]

    Never mind the absurdity of the statement - Condi shows up in Baghdad, behind fortified Green Zone walls, one day a year, and she's talking about someone ELSE sending minions to their death while they're in calm and comfort? - but this is a death warrant for many of our troops.