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Hillary's Victory Speech in Philadelphia

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Hillary Clinton is about to speak at a rally in Philadelphia. I'll be live-blogging here.

Ed Rendell is warming up the crowd. Mayor Nutter is speaking. Time for the introduction.

Here she comes. She's in green. She hugs the Mayor of Philly. She's jubilant. Bill and Chelsea and her mother are there too. Bill is behind her as she begins to speak.

Hillary: Thank you very much. Oh, thank you. It's a long road to 1600 Penn. Ave and it runs right through the heart of PA. For six weeks Obama and I have criss-crossed the state making our best case. You listened and today you chose.

More...

The possibilities are endless if we get to work and roll up our sleeves with a president who's ready to lead on day one.

Crowd changes "Yes she can."

Ready to take charge as Commander in chief and get economy going. I promise you I can be that President.

She talks about her father and grandfather. It's because of them that she's here.

I'm in this race to fight for you. Huge cheers. To fight for everyone who's ever been counted out, who can't pay their hospital bills and medical bills and is challenged by the high cost of gas.

You know you can count on me to stand up strong for you every single day in the White House.

She commends Obama and his supporters. "We are on this journey together."

Talks about those who want to see a woman in the White House. The message it sends to little girls, you can be anything you want.

I need your help now more than ever. Your support has meant the difference between winning and losing. Go to Hillary Clinton.com so we can keep competing. Show your support tonight. The future of this campaign is in your hands.

Some people said she should drop out. She doesn't quit. The people deserve a champion who won't quit.

Soldiers fighting overseas: You deserve a cic who will bring you home. And take care of our veterans.

Because of you the tide is turning. We were up against a formidable opponent who outspent us 3:1. The people of PA had other ideas. The presidency is the toughest job in the world. The pressures of the campaign is nothing compared to the pressures of the White House.

After 7 years of Bush, we have our work cut out. We don't have a minute to waste. We need to stop talking about our problems and solve them.

She moves on to issues. Economy, energy. Health care, college, improvement public schools. End the war on science. Renewed commitment to science and research. We will tackle everything from alzheimers to diabetes.

We look forward to discussing these issues in Indiana and NC and all the states we will visit in the coming weeks.

Tells a story about someone who wrote a note, Hillary Clinton, keep fighting for us. That is what I am going to do because America and you are worth fighting for.

I grew up taking for granted that women can vote. Chelsea grew up taking for granted that African American children could attend school together. The next generation will take for granted that a woman or an African American can be a President.

She gives thanks to Rendell, Nutter and others. Congresspeople and 100 mayors. She thanks labor unions for standing with her.

I especially want to thank my family for their incredible love and support. Bill and Chelsea have criss-crossed PA. Her brothers and mother.

We have a lot of work ahead of us. But if you're ready, I'm ready. I might stumble and fall down, but if you'll stand with me, I'll always get right up. Let me ask you: Will we once again be the nation that breaks down the barriers and leads by our ideals? Will we take back the White House. We will turn promises into action. Yes we will. Thank you and G-d bless you.

It's over. Chris Matthews says it's a great speech. Obama will be speaking soon, I'll start a new thread for it.

Update: No negativity, no criticism of Obama, no mention of electabilty. Just "I will fight for you." It was a very positive speech.

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    Rise, Hillary, Rise! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:00:17 PM EST
    Woo!

    go hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by proudliberaldem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:00:39 PM EST
    You all need to look at this video tonight. It (5.00 / 3) (#199)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:17 PM EST
    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#220)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:04 PM EST
    Loved that video. Thanks for sharing it. Saved it so I can watch it again between primaries or when the sh@t gets too deep from the Boszos in the Blogs and the media.

    Parent
    Thanks! I don't like rap much, but THAT (none / 0) (#231)
    by splashy on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:13:33 AM EST
    I like! lol

    Parent
    92% reporting per CNN (none / 0) (#221)
    by felizarte on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:34:06 PM EST
    Hillary 55% and Obama 45%.  Hillary ahead by 209,000 votes!
    yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaah!

    Parent
    Victory? Didn't Donna B. call it for (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:00:41 PM EST
    the man from Hope?

    Meh. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:02:40 PM EST
    She'd probably call Michigan for Obama if she could.


    Parent
    I think she did. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:05:13 PM EST
    I'm so excited (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:01:26 PM EST
    and I just can't hide it.  ;)

    I just got off the phone with a Hillary supporting friend who has mostly been avoiding the news but always calls me when Hillary has a victory.

    Rise, Hillary, rise!

    I'll be extremely interested to see the final numbers.

    Hannity says huge night for Hillary - she's the comeback kid.  Santorum (blecch) says she did well in the "bitter" areas of PA.

    Santorum (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:02:46 PM EST
    If they are bitter, he's likely in part responsible for their bitterness.

    Parent
    The finest mind (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:03:28 PM EST
    of the 13th century?

    Parent
    hey now (none / 0) (#16)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:06:02 PM EST
    we stand on the shoulders of those scientific giants.

    Parent
    Santorum (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:24 PM EST
    Man on bitter sex is his specialty.

    Parent
    chewing on the bitter cud of Santorum. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:14:39 PM EST
    Would That Bitter Area Include Santorum's Home? (none / 0) (#222)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:40:32 PM EST
    I've been lurking (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:03:03 PM EST
    and I'm thrilled at how well she's doing. We thought she'd show poorly in the beginning because of the urban areas reporting first...not so!

    Rise, Hillary, indeed!

    But I want her to win by more than 9 points. 61% (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:17 PM EST
    of the vote is in. Will someone please cheer me up and tell me that this going to change upward?  Then I could go to bed. I'm on EDT.

    Parent
    Fox says it will go up (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:31 PM EST
    They are doing the math and saying that she has won come areas by huge margins and that once everything is counted it will go up.  I don't know how that works, so I agree with the talking heads that this is huge for her.  'come back kid' again they said.  I'll take the positive media.

    Parent
    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:31 PM EST
    Fox seems to think her victory will be over 10%.

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    Thanks for telling me that. I (none / 0) (#110)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:09 PM EST
    feel better now. Maybe I can get some sleep.  I read in the Wall Street Journal yesterday that Nancy Pelosi and other Dem "leaders' were going to try to force her out of the race after this primary. And, when people say that they are hearing that on TV, it makes me worried.   They say they are worried about "splitting the party." What idiots! Nothing will split the party like their high handed interference at this point!  I know, that if they do that, I, a lifelong Democrat, will change to Independent. And I won't vote for Obama.

    Parent
    I forgot to say again, give her money tonight (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:22 PM EST
    if you can. We need to counter the meme that she is broke.  It would be great if she raised a ton of money tonight to top everything off. I just gave her $100.00 I can ill afford. But this is the time it matters.

    Parent
    I'm waiting for the pt spread (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:21 PM EST
    $20 per point!

    Parent
    Wow. You must be conflicted! (none / 0) (#177)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:45:15 PM EST
    They are not concerned about (none / 0) (#125)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:30:31 PM EST
    winning the Presidency.

    They want to keep their sinecures in the House and Senate.

    A Dem Presidency jeopardises that cushy situation.

    Parent

    He should have got 70% in Metro Philly. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:06:58 PM EST
    Maybe his hold on AA's (none / 0) (#31)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:10:42 PM EST
    is not as strong as he thought. :-)

    Parent
    Ari Fleischer sez (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:04:34 PM EST
    Repubs really want to run against Barack Obama.

    I THINK ARI IS CORRECT...GUESSING MANY OF (none / 0) (#223)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:42:35 PM EST
    those crossover repubs will be "dems for a day".  I would like to hear the numbers on how many go back to being republicans tomorrow.

    Parent
    Fox is saying she will be in the teens (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:05:48 PM EST


    Yeah (none / 0) (#25)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:29 PM EST
    If her counties keep coming in big, with most of Philly already in, it seems possible.  But I won't hope for it.

    Parent
    Emma (none / 0) (#117)
    by cal1942 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:51 PM EST
    You mean you won't count on it. Right?

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    Yeah, not count on it (none / 0) (#126)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:30:56 PM EST
    Sorry.  Meant I don't want to get my hopes up.  :)

    Mixed platitudes.

    Parent

    Oy (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:07:03 PM EST
    Is Donna Brazile really giving advice to HRC about how to run against Republicans?  And her credentials to talk about this are....???  'Cuz she did such a good job with Gore.

    hey donna? (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:33 PM EST
    Donna: yes Democratic Party?

    Democratic Party: How should we beat teh GOP?

    Donna: "blah blah blah..."

    Democratic Party: "okay folks, write a memo ...halb halb halb, immediate."

    Parent

    that made me cackle :) (none / 0) (#92)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:12 PM EST
    And what is that (none / 0) (#43)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:38 PM EST
    about her kitchen? "In my kitchen you have to know how to fry and bake." What does that even mean? "We need to know that you can stand the heat, but that you can also stir it up." Am I to understand that she's trying to say that her candidate can't take the heat, but can "stir it up?"

    Parent
    Is she saying that you can fry and bake (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:04 PM EST
    without heat?

    That woman is a menace. How the hell did Al Gore make her his campaign manager?

    Parent

    I turned her off at that point (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:10 PM EST
    Cooking with Donna (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:05 PM EST
    can be her new tv spot, on some obscure channel at 3 a.m.  That's about all she deserves for what she is doing to the DNC.

    Parent
    and Obama (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:31:11 PM EST
    whining about being allowed to lick the blender blades.

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    Would that be with the mixer on or off? :) (5.00 / 0) (#224)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:44:31 PM EST
    Maybe I should lend her one of my cookbooks (none / 0) (#143)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:49 PM EST
    on southern cooking called "Cooking with Lard"

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    "Cooking without MI and FL" (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:01 PM EST
    or "The Dangers of Cake"

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    HA (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:08:33 PM EST
    Paul does NOT read Daily Kos, clearly.  "I don't think the Democratic Party is full of infants...will pull themselves back together."

    HA.

    I am watching Nutter on CNN.com (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:10:31 PM EST
    He is really energizing the crowd!

    Woo!  Yeeeaaahh! <3 <3 <3

    OMG and he just gave a shout out to FL and MI and gave a sistah souja moment to counting them!

    Yeaaa!

    Rendel says Nutter is a profile in courage! (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:11:45 PM EST
    Nutter for VP (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:59 PM EST
    yeah...now there is some one with backbone.

    Parent
    I just told my son (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:10 PM EST
    that his mayor and governor are awesome.  

    Parent
    Love (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:10 PM EST
    Love Michael Nutter.  Now Fast Eddie takes a turn.  I wish I could be there. :-)

    Parent
    In case anyone from the HRC HQ (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:11:42 PM EST
    reads this -- thanks, Maggie Williams!  Wish we'd had you in charge here in Wisconsin but looking forward to ALL of you back in Wisconsin in fall, where we'll win it with HRC this time (because all those crossover Repubs will be back where they belong:-).

    Rendell is predicting a Political Earthquake (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:11:50 PM EST
    by the time the numbers come in!!!

    55-45 on CNN now -- 10-point lead! (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:43 PM EST
    Yowza.  Can she do the double digits in the end?  (But Philly burbs still coming in).

    Parent
    Well we've had our Dose of WORM so far (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:09 PM EST
    So tomorrow I expect a lot WVRM(what the voters really meant) from the pundits.

    I prognosticate that tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:25 PM EST
    we will get a big dose of excuses,  twisted logic and reading of the tea leaves that will show us that when you subtract all the bitter, clinging voters Obama won and we are just blind and/or deluded.

    Parent
    Sort of the kind that they try to feed us (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:24 PM EST
    about only the Obama supporters didn't vote during our primary because they didn't count.  And how he was at a disadvantage because he didn't campaign and was a complete unknown.

    Parent
    what a joke (none / 0) (#135)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:07 PM EST
    It would have looked identical to Ohio and Penn.

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    It did. (none / 0) (#152)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:28 PM EST
    Just got a call from my son and his girlfriend (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:52 PM EST
    in Philly.  They voted for Hillary tonight.  It was her first time voting.  They're very excited and waiting for Hillary's speech!

    On Fox they're saying (5.00 / 6) (#49)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:13:42 PM EST
    these results open up PA for McCain, if Obama's the nom.  I tend to agree.

    I'm enjoying Fox tonight gag (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:14:37 PM EST
    "This is huge for her, up against money, national media, problem in NC, she is getting huge margins 70% in these districts, add FL with what she gets here they are dead even, she needs momentum to be able to say Obama is flawed, that is a hard call because of the young people,"

    Talking head, (line of the night) "this is a proceess not a suicide pact."  He needs to win Indiana.  Watch the white vote in NC.  If he has pop vote and dels will they feel it's been stolen?  (yes) she's got an argument that she has won the pop vote, he has got to close this out.

    The entire thing is (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:47 PM EST
    decided on the discression of the superdels.

    If they don't like the look of Obama he's not the nominee.

    Parent

    Great line. (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:34 PM EST
    Perfect description.

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    Awww look at Chelsea dancing. I love that kid. (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:19 PM EST


    David Gergen: The voice of reason. (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:11 PM EST
    "Howard Dean doesn't control the super delegates, the super delegates control the super delegates."

    This even needs to be said, Campbell Brown? Seriously? Please just show us some more returns and shut it.

    Campbell Brown, a/k/a (none / 0) (#77)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:38 PM EST
    Mrs. Dan Senor.  Dan Senor was Jerry Bremer's bag man in the Civil Provisional Authority, helping him destroy the Iraqi army and civil service.

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    OMG!!! (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:52 PM EST
    Aieee!

    I just had a multiple orgasm!

    I didn't think it was possible for men.  Hillary makes it so!  Wooo!  Celebration!

    crap (5.00 / 0) (#134)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:01 PM EST
    can't women just have ONE THING to themselves?

    Oh, wait--

    Parent

    maybe the ladies are not doing it right. (none / 0) (#140)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:22 PM EST
    Awww! (none / 0) (#214)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:12:32 PM EST
    We gay men and women go together like peanut butter and jelly!

    I consider you as my peanut butter.  Or jelly.  Either way, I'm nothing without ya! ;)

    Parent

    I wonder how big (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:58 PM EST
    the gays went for Hillary today?  Exciting to see some clearly gay or gay-allied supporters of hers right there.

    THIS gay suppoter... (none / 0) (#139)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:17 PM EST
    Is going to see HILLARY in East Chicago, IN this Friday with his older gay co worker!

    LGBTs for Hillary!  I am so excited!

    Parent

    Love the crowd they are showing - lots of young (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by BHLinGA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:44 PM EST
    people.  Very energized.  

    WhooHoo! (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:54 PM EST
    That's all I have to say -- I am so relieved!

    Yes she can! (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:34 PM EST
    She's so gracious in victory, unlike certain other candidates.

    Hmm... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
    I suspect some of the supporters found their way to the hotel bar ;)  I love it.

    Did she have a shot and a beer? (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:53 PM EST
    I bet she will have more than one, later.
    What will Obama be drinking?

    Kool-Aid (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:32 PM EST
    heh (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:13 PM EST
    He's too bitter to drink (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:10 PM EST
    He will cling to his......I have no idea.

    Parent
    "distractions" ? (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Rainsong on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:49 PM EST
    economic frustrations? (none / 0) (#161)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:06 PM EST
    What was that "we serve no wine... (none / 0) (#98)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:31 PM EST
    ...until its time?" wine that Orson Wells used to be spokesman for?

    Parent
    that would be (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by nic danger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:55 PM EST
    paul masson...

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    Paul Masson (none / 0) (#124)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:30:22 PM EST
    yes, I'm old.

    Parent
    yep... (none / 0) (#150)
    by nic danger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:01 PM EST
    me too...

    Parent
    OMG (none / 0) (#146)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:35 PM EST
    I remember my father telling me, "That man used to be the greatest director in movie history. And now he's a morbidly obese cheap wine salesman."

    I remember watching Citizen Kane and The Third Man AFTER seeing those Paul Masson ads. Only then did I fully realize The Horror.

    Parent

    what will he drink? (none / 0) (#165)
    by karen for Clinton on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:51 PM EST
    mark

    he'll be drinking bitter tears.

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    OBAMA WILL BE DRINKING KOOL-AID (none / 0) (#225)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:47:05 PM EST
    I am crying (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:57 PM EST
    this is so inspiring. The part about the girls on their parents' shoulders was incredible.

    H*ll yeah, it was. (5.00 / 0) (#230)
    by vicndabx on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:28:57 PM EST
    That part hit me hard too - and I've got a 5 yr old son.  Am hoping to add a little girl to the mix tho.

    Parent
    Polls (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Avedon on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:39 PM EST
    You know something?  It scares me that the polls are now completely unreliable at a whole new level.  They've been all over the map for this primary - all over.  Some showed Hillary will an enormous lead while others showed Obama winning easily.

    So what happens with McCain?  The closer the polls say the election will be, the easier it will be for them to get away with cooking the vote.

    We're completely unprepared for November, aren't we?  No one wants to acknowledge that Republicans still own the machines and they're still jimmying them.


    The GOP own the media. (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:41 PM EST
    The look on the GE MSMBC folk's faces is a sight to behold.

    Buchanan looks happy though.

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    A poll is never a promise (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:32 PM EST
    It's just a poll.  

    Parent
    Nobody knows anything (none / 0) (#217)
    by lambert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:26:36 PM EST
    I think there are two sides to this, Avedon:

    I agree that the Republicans are jimmmying the machinery.

    But I also think that the voters have an effect as well:

    1. The shouting heads have to turn the knobs up to 11 because nobody is listening

    2. The polls don't work because people game them, and I bet also because the pollster's models of who's on the grid are wrong.

    Interesting times....

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    Yes! (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:12 PM EST
    End the war on science!

    My favorite thing is the woman in purple (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:55 PM EST
    standing behind Hillary wearing red boxing gloves.

    She IS a fighter.

    Hope Barack likes the taste of those waffles, and I hope he has a lot more time to eat them in the coming weeks.

    Isn't that a dude? (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:32:02 PM EST
    LOL - maybe - I mostly could only see (none / 0) (#147)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:46 PM EST
    the boxing gloves and at one point thought it was a woman, but who knows!

    I just loved the symbolism.

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    I think it is. (none / 0) (#160)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:43 PM EST
    I really like (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:23 PM EST
    the way Obama's money advantage is now being flipped into a weakness.  Thus far it has been his widely touted strength. It's a good move on the Clinton camp's part.  

    Now she's being gracious (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:42 PM EST
    what is it people don't like about her?

    That's what my husband always asks. (none / 0) (#157)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:09 PM EST
    He thinks she is incredible and just gets better and better. :-)

    Parent
    "Neither Senator Obama nor I (5.00 / 5) (#116)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:46 PM EST
    were included in that original vision" of the Founders in Philadelphia, "but thanks to the suffragists, the abolitionists, the reformers" and others, "this generation can grow up taking for granted that a woman or an African American can run for President" of this country.

    That line ought to be in the history books.  

    I never hear this (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:30 PM EST
    graciousness from Obama. I just know his mother must have taught him better. Hillary is so inclusive.

    Parent
    He's speaking now (none / 0) (#183)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:48:59 PM EST
    And he is congratulating Clinton, his supporters are booing, and he says "No no, she ran a terrific campaign."

    But now, "There were a lot of people who didn't think we could make this a race, who thought we were going to get blown out."  

    Are we sure yet that he didn't get blown out?

    Parent

    He also said the newly (none / 0) (#197)
    by leis on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:54 PM EST
    registered voters will deliver the white house. Is that a slam on long term dems that vote for Hillary?

    Parent
    He seems to think that all ur new (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:02:08 PM EST
    voters is belong to him.

    Parent
    Can you imaine how proud her (5.00 / 5) (#129)
    by leis on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:31:20 PM EST
    mother must be?

    I know, bless her heart. (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:32:28 PM EST
    Chelsea (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:41 PM EST
    Did you see the hug she gave her mom after Hillary finished her speech?  She basically threw herself at her and just clung.  I actually teared up a bit. :-)

    Parent
    It must be killing the crew at MSNBO to see... (5.00 / 4) (#130)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:31:49 PM EST
    ...the enthusiastic crowd. They want to believe in their bitter little hearts that nobody really likes Hillary.

    KO wonders when she will get gracious (5.00 / 4) (#151)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:20 PM EST
    toward Obama, since he has had to be so deferential to her.  I do not make this up; those were KO's exact terms.

    CDS makes him deaf?  Did he not hear her graciousness tonight?  Her gracious comments in every primary night speech, win or lose?  And none of the others on MSNBC take KO to task for that.  Disgraceful on their part; some are supposed to be actual journalists.

    Parent

    I find her absolutely thrilling (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:32:04 PM EST
    I think a tingle went up my leg (j/k).  Seriously, I don't understand why anybody would find Obama more inspiring than Hillary.

    Yes, we will!

    That really was a great speech. (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:23 PM EST
    Really good.

    Any proud Democrat should be happy about a speech like that.

    Very, very good.

    Brian Williams thinks that (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:41:29 PM EST
    what matters is the first words people read in the morning paper from the AP tomorrow morning.

    I bet he thinks people watch the nightly news too.

    Solipsism (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:59 PM EST
    If a tree fell in the woods on Brian Williams' head, would it make a sound?

    Parent
    No, but it'd really mess up his hair...n/t (5.00 / 0) (#204)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:25 PM EST
    I think (none / 0) (#186)
    by Nadai on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:36 PM EST
    there'd be a whoosh as the vacuum was pierced.

    Parent
    Half a mil raised tonight by HRC? (5.00 / 4) (#172)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:35 PM EST
    Did I get that figure correctly per Begala on CNN -- just donations phoned/onlined in tonight?  Wheee.

    Awesome. (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM EST
    Matthews brings up the Obama spreadsheet, thinking they predicted 8-10% loss!!!  Actually they predicted 5%.

    I just ponied up (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:15 PM EST
    send money; send a message. My biggest donation to date.

    HillaryClinton.com is busy - but was able to get (5.00 / 1) (#208)
    by BHLinGA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:46 PM EST
    in and make my donation.  If you are so inclined, give it a try.  Let's go for record overnight numbers!!!

    55-45 with 84 % in.. (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by alsace on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03:14 PM EST
    That's double digits, Mr. and Ms. Talking Head.

    My daughter goes to Penn (5.00 / 3) (#212)
    by ChrisO on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07:06 PM EST
    and I got to see her on TV tonight, jumping around behind Hillary, holding a sign. I'm a very proud Dad.

    That is so neat! (none / 0) (#216)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:19:05 PM EST
    Great for her to be there, and for you to see her.

    What a memory for her!

    Parent

    Was she the one in the white dress (none / 0) (#232)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:17:48 AM EST
    who never stopped jumping up and down?  She was darling; I had so much fun watching her excitement.  Tell that young woman that it's the other candidate who's historic, huh?:-)

    Parent
    Yes, that was her. (none / 0) (#233)
    by ChrisO on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 07:49:52 AM EST
    Isn't she cute?

    Parent
    I cried (5.00 / 0) (#229)
    by michellemarie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:11:21 PM EST
    watching Clinton as she described how her daughter and other American children were able to take women and African American's voting rights for granted. CNN panned to Chelsea and I think she may have teared up. It was a great moment.

    Tom Petty "Won't Back Down" (4.00 / 1) (#52)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:14:47 PM EST
    is the song she comes in to -- perfect.

    Only thing better (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:04 PM EST
    would be Won't be Fooled Again by the Who.

    Parent
    Hit me with your best shot? (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:22 PM EST
    Pat Benetar?

    Parent
    Pick up my guitar and play (none / 0) (#123)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:30:12 PM EST
    Just like yesterday
    And I get down my knees and pray
    We won't get fooled again!

    Parent
    anybody know where on the TeeVee (none / 0) (#4)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:00:58 PM EST
    I can find the speech?

    Thanks!

    CNN (none / 0) (#6)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:02:19 PM EST
    CNN keeps saying they're going to run it.  Nothin' yet.

    Parent
    moments away (none / 0) (#14)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:05:37 PM EST
    CNN says Hillary is moments away.  John Nutter is warming up the crowd.

    Parent
    Doh! (none / 0) (#59)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:31 PM EST
    Michael Nutter.  Sorry.

    Parent
    Fox is running it (none / 0) (#17)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:06:06 PM EST
    Ed Rendell & Mayor Nutter in background of talking heads -- they will cut away to HRC when she starts.

    Parent
    CSPAN 2 has the whole thing (none / 0) (#27)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:41 PM EST
    Nutter on now.

    Parent
    Finally! Thank you n/t (none / 0) (#32)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:10:42 PM EST
    MSNBC is still (none / 0) (#33)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:10:54 PM EST
    running Tweety and Fineman.  No word on when the speech is coming.

    What's the spread?  No one is talking about the spread.  I was on the phone with my office and now can't figure out what the spread is.

    Parent

    Martin says (none / 0) (#11)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:03:47 PM EST
    Obama must go one-on-one with policy in the last days before an election to win.  So far, that has meant healthcare attacks.  If he did a better job of going one-on-one with policy, I would be much more inclined to see him president.  But his dismissiveness of such things is what turns me off him.


    RM Also Says (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:07:36 PM EST
    The party must be careful not to anger young voters and AAs if the supers select Hillary because that hurts the party.  Also hypes a potential negative down ticket effect.

    In other news, RM declares women, those earning less than $50,000, and folks over 45 are invisible.

    Parent

    no (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:10:34 PM EST
    That's because they are two groups who will resort to violence if thwarted.

    either way teh dems are pretty much effed up.

    A riot if She's the nom, a rout at the ballot box if he's the nom.

    Parent

    Those threatening Obama voters (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:11:57 PM EST
    are not going to do anything.

    Take it to the bank.


    Parent

    I don't trust the situation (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:48 PM EST
    one inch.  We know the anarchists are prepped to start a riot.   All you need are a few provocteurs and there could a real scrap.

    Parent
    Can't take them for granted (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:35 PM EST
      Indeed, whichever candidate wins bears the responsibility to be gracious in victory and treat the loser's supporters with respect.

    Parent
    she'll do that. (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:15 PM EST
    Also I'd suggest staying off Dkos if you are a clintonite.

    Parent
    I am a DKos refugee (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:48 PM EST
    I ain't never goin' back.

    Parent
    Or... (none / 0) (#71)
    by sweetthings on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:12 PM EST
    just take them for granted. ;)

    Parent
    Anger (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Commander Vimes on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:13:24 PM EST
    There wouldn't be a problem if the DNC didn't disenfranchise FLA and MI.

    Parent
    Michigan deserves it. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:59 PM EST
    Florida should be seated as is with Clinton's 60%.

    Michigan is a frigging nightmare.

    Parent

    Just like as HRC said (none / 0) (#26)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:33 PM EST
    in her "invisible" ad.

    I didn't know she was talking about her own party.

    Parent

    The Tacit Disaproval of MSBC... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:07:27 PM EST
    ...is unbelievable.

    While I prefer Senator C. to Senator O. (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by clio on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:13:20 PM EST
    based on policies and preparation, a big reason I'd love to see her win is to watch Matthews, Olbermann, Russert, Gregory, etc., choke to death on it.

    Parent
    I am totally with you on that one (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:06 PM EST
    Had dinner last night with a woman who runs a magazine here in NYC. She said that she started out as a Clinton supporter, but as she's seen the gender bias in the media coverage, she's become more and more invested in Clinton's campaign.

    Funny how I keep hearing that story...

    Parent

    I flipped on Fox (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:43 PM EST
    about 10 mins ago so I could see what was going on without the spin.  How sad is that?

    Parent
    And you thought (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:24 PM EST
    pigs would have to fly before that ever happened, didn't you?

    Parent
    I did not start out a Clinton supporter (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:21 PM EST
    But I have to say, the garbage that's gone on pretty much swung me to her.

    Parent
    The Spin (none / 0) (#24)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:27 PM EST
    I've never heard anything like it outside of Fox.

    Parent
    Many have already said this (none / 0) (#63)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:07 PM EST
    But I still can't believe it. I tried all the channels. Listened to Olbermann for a few minutes. I am...watching...FOX.

    Parent
    My limit was (none / 0) (#104)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:32 PM EST
    when he essentially blamed Hillary for telling her voters that Obama was unelectable for 52% of her voters not willing to vote for him.

    Parent
    Yep (none / 0) (#137)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:12 PM EST
    that was exactly when I changed the channel.

    Parent
    bitter enders! (none / 0) (#46)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:13:16 PM EST
    how dare they vote agianst teh Prince of GE.

    Parent
    i had to change channels (none / 0) (#179)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:09 PM EST
    i'm on cnn right now.  chris and ko were too much for me to bear.  

    Parent
    obama's about to speak (none / 0) (#182)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:47:03 PM EST
    i wonder if they'll spin it with "we were behind by 20 points" so this is a victory.

    blah blah blah

    Parent

    Yep, he just did. "We closed the gap" (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:40 PM EST
    except for, y'know, that 10 points between them now, per CNN, with 78% of the tally in (although there is a Philly suburb county still coming that could narrow it again).

    Parent
    I put Obama on mute (none / 0) (#191)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:28 PM EST
    the only reason the channel is on is so I can see the results -- because at this point I can barely stand looking at him! ;-)

    Parent
    Can I just say (none / 0) (#34)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:11:04 PM EST
    I can't stand these people. And I just toned down that comment. Like Hillary's 49 percent aren't gonna be pissed if Obama gets it especially w/o Mich and Fla.

    Go to CSpan (none / 0) (#41)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:30 PM EST
    What are they talking about (CNN) (none / 0) (#45)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:12:57 PM EST
    Are they leaning towards Hillary dropping out for the good of the party.

    57% of the vote in 55-45 (none / 0) (#53)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:14:51 PM EST
    10 points!  
      This showed up as Clinton walked into the room!  Nice way to enter!

    As Obama speaks it goes to 55-45 again! (none / 0) (#188)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:58 PM EST
      :-)

      And the contributions are pouring in too, they said.

    Parent

    Hey everyone (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:21 PM EST
    I'm just blowing in here in between homework subjects........I see her up by 10% now, what areas have reported in so far?

    Bill's with her (none / 0) (#58)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:29 PM EST
    Good it makes it look like the real election night!

    Okay, not an intellectual comment but... (none / 0) (#60)
    by BHLinGA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:15:51 PM EST
    Hillary looks great!!

    ok, i'm going to go totally girlie here... (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:13 PM EST
    aqua is her color and her smile was absolutely radiant

    Parent
    She is amped (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:58 PM EST
    Yay!! (none / 0) (#65)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:26 PM EST
    Hillary's on now!!!

    OK (none / 0) (#85)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:45 PM EST
    Who is the woman Bill is grasping. Please tell me she is family

    not bill... (none / 0) (#100)
    by nic danger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:03 PM EST
    those hands were the guy behind her...

    Parent
    My son just said she looks a lot younger (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:06 PM EST
    than her pictures......not that being eight years old means much, just horribly honest.

    Fox is saying she has (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:54 PM EST
    improved her percentages of the vote in certain demographics.

    Parent
    Victory invigorating... (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:16 PM EST
    from the candidate on down. Suddenly everyone in the campaign feels a little smarter and has a little bit more energy.  Opposite is true in Obamaland.

    Parent
    Not a fan "yes we will!" I prefer... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM EST
    ..."It just doesn't matter!" (Bill Murray in Meatballs)

    "Hillary can't close the deal!" (none / 0) (#101)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:10 PM EST
    Read it in ORANGE

    at your peril.

    Orange? What Orange? (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:19 PM EST
    I know not this Orange.

    Parent
    Yada yada yada (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:36 PM EST
    vetch vetch vetch

    Parent
    Awww that big hug. (none / 0) (#136)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:08 PM EST


    I wonder how many hits her website got when (none / 0) (#138)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:17 PM EST
    she asked everyone to donate $5 tonight!

    I went and was going to donate more, then realized they want numbers--like X hundred thousand people each donating $5

    So I'll do it more than once!

    Whoohoo!


    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:43:30 PM EST
    we just sent her fifty.

    Go, Hillary!  

    Parent

    i just donated $100 (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:50:42 PM EST
    ...and i work in the mortgage industry so i'm flat broke!

    Parent
    KO thinks she is not being gracious enough (none / 0) (#141)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:23 PM EST
    to Obama

    Jeebus, he wants her to drink the kool aid! (none / 0) (#144)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:26 PM EST
    KO saying Hillary was mocking Obama's speeches? (none / 0) (#142)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:39 PM EST
    Huh?

    Like she can't riff on his "Yes, we can"???

    What is KO talking about?

    He is in full pout mode (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:13 PM EST
    ...and I'm LOVING it.  hahahahaha

    Parent
    CNNers calling it a very positive speech (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:41:12 PM EST
    and even Donna B. has good things to say.  

    MSNBC really ought to be listening to this, an indication of how badly it is in the tank.

    Parent

    wasnt yes we can (none / 0) (#148)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:51 PM EST
    lifted from a union slogan anyway?

    Parent
    Farm Workers, who endorsed Hillary. (none / 0) (#175)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:54 PM EST
    Si se puede! (none / 0) (#198)
    by spit on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:05 PM EST
    it's the slogan of the United Farm Workers.

    Parent
    Bitter wine from sour grapes (none / 0) (#168)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:50 PM EST
    is made...I think that's KO's problem, and I'm sure he's not the only one.

    Parent
    SHE never is negative in her speeches.... (none / 0) (#145)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:30 PM EST


    Seems like they're enjoying the moment. (none / 0) (#154)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:26 PM EST
    Good, they deserve it.  Also I did not know Sestak supported Hillary...he is the rep for Swarthmore.

    I am SOOO proud of her (none / 0) (#163)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:24 PM EST
    Great speech and a nice shout out to her opponent...once again showing she has so much class.

    I miss the Clintons so much.  I hope that this helps her campaign.  I only see KY and WV as the only victories left for her...hopefully I'm wrong.

    WAY to go Pennsylvania!  

    I think (none / 0) (#167)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:28 PM EST
    Puerto Rico will be hers too.

    Parent
    Ahhhhh (none / 0) (#164)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:46 PM EST
    According to CNN talking head:  Hillary being positive in her speech = implicit rebuke to Obama.  Huh?

    Don't you understand? (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:34 PM EST
    Clinton's very existence is a rebuke to Obama, and thus a negative attack.

    Parent
    That, it is! (none / 0) (#219)
    by felizarte on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:07 PM EST
    Especially because the speech he gave was his usual stump speech  about Hillary being part of the problem in Washington and therefore cannot be expected to solve anything.  I think it provides further contrast between Hillary and Him, to his detriment.  Perhaps it is a bitter moment for him and couldn't afford to feel nice about anyone.

    Parent
    Obama's up now (none / 0) (#178)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:00 PM EST
    on CNN

    MSNBC numbers won't go up? (none / 0) (#180)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:43 PM EST
    Fox says the spread will increase. MSNBC thinks it will stay at 8.  How do they do the math?  I am satisfied with the 8 pts, it's just that Fox stated that once everything is counted, the spread will increase.  Anyone know why?

    Absentee votes and outlying areas (none / 0) (#192)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:51 PM EST
    ... are more conservative ?

     It is going to 10% diff now and seems to be staying there longer before dropping to 8% and then coming back!

    Parent

    Most of Philly counted (none / 0) (#205)
    by hookfan on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:12 PM EST
    Outside areas going big for Hill.

    Parent
    With FL and MI, HRC ahead in popular vote (none / 0) (#181)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM EST
    after tonight, it looks to me -- more reason that the FL and MI situations must, must, must be resolved.  

    RealClearPolitics.com had HRC 94,000 behind, including FL and MI.  She is about 150,000 ahead now in PA.  If she can hold that lead, there 'tis.

    Yes, she did! New pop vote numbers up now (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:39 PM EST
    at RealClearPolitics.com -- and still growing:

    Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**            Obama     14,696,104  47.4%   
    Clinton   14,752,947  47.6%               
    Clinton   +56,843     +0.2%

    Parent

    That's great, Cream City! Now, what can be done (none / 0) (#203)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:15 PM EST
    to get her a victory in IN?

    Parent
    That's great (none / 0) (#185)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:33 PM EST
    I did not realize there was a chance she could take the lead tonight, even with MI and FL.

    Of course this means Dean will stall the MI and FL resolution even longer.

    Parent

    Sen. Obama was very gracious just there. (none / 0) (#189)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:50:12 PM EST
    He congratulated Sen Clinton on her victory and when his crowd started to boo, he waved them off and said, "No, no, she ran a terrific race." Very very nice, best I've seen from him. Real plus in my book.

    i don't mean to minimize it, (none / 0) (#194)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:22 PM EST
    but they all do that.

    i hope cnn doesn't carry his whole speech as he's officially slipped into stump-speech mode...the fierce urgency of this moment...yawn.

    Parent

    I agree (none / 0) (#195)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:42 PM EST
    I've seen him do that before though.  He's got some good qualities  :-)

    Parent
    Ewwww! Obama used that BushBoy line about (none / 0) (#193)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:52 PM EST
    "marrying up," the thing Little Boots always says about Laura.

    I cannot believe he did that.

    He does tend to pick up those ReThug phrases, 'tho'....

    Teleprompter tonight? He's usually not fluid (none / 0) (#200)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:21 PM EST
    like this w/out the teleprompter.

    Has to be.

    Has anyone else noticed (none / 0) (#206)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:54 PM EST
    that he's not using his preacher-man voice in this speech?  Maybe he remembered that he's a Columbia/Harvard grad.

    cnn (none / 0) (#207)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:32 PM EST
    showing she topped 1,000,000 votes!!!

    Parent
    I was gonna go camping this weekend... (none / 0) (#211)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:10 PM EST
    With the last $50 I have for the rest of the month..... But, I can go camping another time.  Give 'em hell, Hill!

    Spin city (none / 0) (#213)
    by diogenes on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:08:38 PM EST
    A state disproportionately full of older, less educated, more blue collar, whiter people than America is proof positive of Hillary's victory?  Pennsylvania was always hers.  Obama's campaign was able to get the vote from twenty to ten, and that's the type of organization that will be able to swing voters in November, as opposed to the chaotic Clinton campaign organizations.

    typical (none / 0) (#215)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:41 PM EST
    condescending remarks from an obama supporter.

    here's a shocker for you - older, less educated, blue collar white people are a huge portion of the electorate.  you probably didn't get the message way up there in your ivory tower.

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    DIOGENES...DON'T BE A HATER (none / 0) (#228)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:59:21 PM EST
    Buyer's remorse for Obama is starting to set in and I am guessing superdelegates are doing alot of thinking about who would make the best dem nominee.  Hillary Clinton has shown that as the underdog these days, she is a force to be reckoned with.  Oh hell, she has always been a force to be reckoned with and the most qualified candidate.

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    No negativity? (none / 0) (#218)
    by Melchizedek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:28:29 PM EST
    She contrasts "can" with "will," "hope" with "solutions", clearly swipes at Obama. Notice how Jeralyn finds Obama to be negative about Clinton via "Washington players," inferring that Obama is lumping in Clinton with McCain (though without saying it, of course).

    Oh and I love how we're detailing Clinton's whole "non-stump" speech rather than saying "I'm done" as with Obama's stump speech.

    drawing contrasts is not fair game? (none / 0) (#227)
    by Terry M on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:53:44 PM EST
    Obama loves to make plays on words in order to draw a distinction between himself and others. A perfectly acceptable tactic by any candidate.

    Great job Pennsylvania!  As a silenced Florida voter, I wish we could have had a victory celebration like you did.  (Thanks DNC - you're doing a heckuva job Howie!)

    BTW, love your handle Melchizedek.  Are you drawing a connection with yourself to the king of Salem in Genesis or the eternal high priest of Hebrews?

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    HILLARY IS PURE CLASS; SHE MADE ME CRY (none / 0) (#226)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:52:12 PM EST
    Senator Hillary Clinton is truly the comeback kid!!  I made the mistake of going on HuffPo and they should change the name to The Huffing and Puffing Post.  They are steaming mad over there and have more excuses for Obama than Carter's has pills.

    Thank you Sen. Clinton.  You have made us soooooooooooooooooooooooo proud!!!!