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Clinton Wins Kentucky By At Least 30

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:01:26 PM EST
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So says CNN, NBC, Fox etc.

Exit polls project a 30 point win for Clinton.

White voters (89% of the vote) went for Clinton 72-22. African Americans (9% of the vote) went for Obama 88-7.

My back of the envelope math tells me it will be closer to 40 than 30.

Clinton wins ALL women (57% of the vote) 67-27. Clinton wins ALL men (43% of the vote) 62-32.

BTW, Chris Matthews just lied on NBC. Clinton won college graduates in Kentucky by 60-34. Matthews lied and said Obama won them. NBC is not a news organization. More - Clinton won EVERY AGE GROUP. She won 17-29 by 55-39. She won 60 and oklder by 76-18.

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    The media s getting over with (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by cawaltz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:03:35 PM EST
    announcing it quick. Like a big ol' dose of castor oil.

    Now obama Is Saying He Is In Iowa Just To (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:10:31 PM EST
    thank the people for the jumpstart to where he is now....whadda load of crap!  Can we say "obama, serial backpedaler?"

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    "I am King of the World!" (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:22:38 PM EST


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    "I just can't wait to be King!" (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:28:45 PM EST
    Obama's theme song.

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    Reminds me of the last lines from Camelot (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:37:29 PM EST
    song, "Wonder What the King is Doing Tonight."

    Well, I'll tell you what the king is feeling tonight:
    He's numb!
    He shakes!
    He quails! He quakes!
    And that's what the king is doing tonight.

    Camelot, of course, was over in those oh-so-excessive '60s, Senator Obama.

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    Girls...Susan Malveaux (5.00 / 6) (#36)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    says he is gonna try to seduce us tonight.  Don't know about you I am beyond seduction.  

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    {GACK} (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:26:59 PM EST


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    Obama is going to seduce us? (5.00 / 7) (#44)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:27:00 PM EST
    visual: Kathy flicks dirt off her shoulder

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    So why did he not spend time (none / 0) (#54)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:32 PM EST
    I hate Jamal.

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    I just threw up a little (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:31 PM EST
    in my mouth.

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    Now that's just creepy. n/t (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by snstara on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:32:41 PM EST


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    well, the stupid part (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:36 PM EST
    is that if he really wanted to seduce us, he'd know to do it before our bed time.  

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    Good Grief (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by suki on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:36:18 PM EST
    Thank you Susan Malveauz for the wonderful framing. Revolting.
    Hi all. Been reading for a while. Love this site.

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    All that seduces me anymore (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:40:05 PM EST
    is wonkiness.  When my spouse gets all factual, I swoon.  

    What also works for me is that he brings me coffee every morning . . . and then backs out of the room until the goddess has had her caffeine and is willing to converse about the wonky morning paper.

    Obama will not do that for me.  No swooning for him here.

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    LOL ... I so relate to that (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by bridget on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:48:29 PM EST
    Tea in the morning  

    and Dinner on the weekends because he enjoys cooking
    and I not so much anymore

    It means more to me than diamond rings and I have said so. Swoon ;-)

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    Isn't Malveaux part of the Obama press bus? (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by bridget on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:43:01 PM EST
    From seing her last week I got the impression she may have been just a little bit seduced ... or maybe a lot.

    Don't watch CNN hardly at all these days but I always liked her style.

    P.S. I didn't even know Obama was seduction material until I read it in the papers. Started sometime in Jan/Feb AFAIR. I never got it. Not a year ago, not now.

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    Must be that vibrating cell phone (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:47:57 PM EST
    blech!

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    I'd let him seduce me (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by Lil on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:47:56 PM EST
    if he would concede the nomination.

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    My vote in November (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by themomcat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:48:06 PM EST
    cannot be seduced, coerced or bought. It is mine alone and it is very precious to me. It MUST be earned.

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    ABC and NBC just called KY for (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by Rhouse on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:04:35 PM EST
    Clinton.  But the best part was Charlie asking George S. " If he's won, why does she keep getting such a large win?" (paraphrase)

    Of course (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by 0 politico on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:18:57 PM EST
    NBC only characterized it as a significant margin.  And, they had Russert on to push the pledged delegate angle and that it is unheard of for the SD's to overturn the pledged delegates.

    Right.

    Meanwhile, I see CNN has HC up 14 points with 24 percent counted.  But, the rural votes are going massively for HC.  Over 85 percent for her in many counties.  The final tally could be interesting.

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    John King said (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:20:25 PM EST
    Obama cannot claim a majority of pledged delegates yet, and will not get it from KY, so he is going to be up late in Iowa waiting for OR

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    And the majority of KY voters think (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:23:28 PM EST
    Obama will be the nominee. I find it interesting that they think that and STILL won't rally behind him.

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    interesting point (5.00 / 5) (#57)
    by aquarian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:30:12 PM EST
    Kentucky voters think that the nominee has already been chosen and yet overwhelmingly reject him.  I think this spells doom for Senator Obama in November if the campaign does not struggle to understand and react to these numbers.  Dismissing Kentucky (and WV, and PA, and OH) instead of trying to woo those voters will cost him the election.

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    GOP voters know their candidate (none / 0) (#66)
    by riddlerandy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:32:43 PM EST
    has been selected, the other candidates have dropped out, and McCain still cant break 75%.

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    Why would they bother to vote? (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:34:07 PM EST


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    Of course (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:25 PM EST
    And, they had Russert on to push the pledged delegate angle and that it is unheard of for the SD's to overturn the pledged delegates.

    What a moron he is!  Of course its unheard of - we've never had a race this close since they invented SD's!  {smacks forehead)

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    Lou Dobbs (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:06:26 PM EST
    says that women are standing up for Hillary and we will see that in the exits.

    Aww, good ol' Lou! (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:14:20 PM EST
    I used to call him Mad Dog Dobbs and I still think he's nutty on immigration issues, but he's been one of the few voices of sanity on CNN in this election season.

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    He's A Populist (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:17:02 PM EST
    And there are good things and bad things about that.  His xenophobia is a bad thing, obviously.  He's better on economic stuff because of his focus on working class and poor folks.  

    I think what sets him apart is that he does at least act like he cares about working Americans.  Unlike Charlie Gibson and so many others obsessed with the Bush tax cuts and capital gains cuts.

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    Yeah, he really does seem to have principles (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:20:13 PM EST
    not all of which I agree with, but I respect him.  I get the impression that he doesn't like any of the candidates, including McCain, so his coverage is pretty unbiased.  

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    Lou (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by magisterludi on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:27:45 PM EST
    is married to a Mexican-American and his in-laws live with him on his "farm" (for real- he drives a tractor!).  He speaks fluent Spanish and actually seems to have a real love of the Mexican people. He's a hard nut to crack.

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    I was a fan of Dobbs (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:30:54 PM EST
    Until he went on the 24/7 anti-immigration crusade.  He used to spend a lot of time talking about workers and the middle class and always had very great insight into a lot of those issues which were ignored by others.  But something in him snapped and those issues took a back seat.  It never ceases to happen.  Dobbs goes nuts...  Cafferty (who I also sorta liked) goes from blunt old-timey newsman to outright liar and shill...  Olbermann goes from not-entirely-honest but at least entertaining progressive to misogynist pile of S...

    Sad, really...

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    and the polls he has on his show are (none / 0) (#129)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:57:08 PM EST
    so freaking stupid.

    do you think puppies should be hurled into the ocean?

    vote at cnn.com/loudobbs

    wow, folks, it looks like 97% of you are against throwing puppies into the ocean.  

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    Ky coverage (none / 0) (#64)
    by margph on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:32:23 PM EST
    Coverage by Lou Dobbs' show is so skewed.  There sits Paul Begala, one AA male Obama supporter, one "undeclared" AA male commentator, and two Republicans.  The interpretation of the exit polling is what you would expect.  I had to turn it off to keep my sanity.

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    I Loves Me Some Hillary...4:36 p,m. PST (none / 0) (#78)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:37:44 PM EST
    Once again tonight, you and I stood together and showed America what we're made of.
    Every time we win another state, we prove something about ourselves and about our country. And did we ever prove something tonight in Kentucky.
    We showed America that the voters know what the "experts" will never understand -- that in our great democracy, elections are about more than candidates running, pundits commenting, or ads blaring.
    They're about every one of us having his or her say about the path we choose as a nation. The people of Kentucky have declared that this race isn't over yet, and I'm listening to them -- and to you.
    Your unshakeable commitment to that principle and your willingness to keep forging ahead inspire me every day. Let's keep supporting one another in these crucial days ahead.

    All the best,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton  

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    Anyone see the door (5.00 / 7) (#7)
    by magisterludi on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:11:40 PM EST
     John Edwards slipped out?

    Guess Obama's Appalachian strategery (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:17:13 PM EST
    needs a little work.

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    especially since (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:20:53 PM EST
    the exit polls showed that out of the 45% of voters who said Edwards' endorsement affected their vote, only half voted for Obama!

    Oops.

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    D'oh! (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:21:51 PM EST
    I don't think that was the effect the Obama camp was going for. ;-)

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    LOL (none / 0) (#39)
    by cawaltz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:25:41 PM EST
    Yet according to SUSA and Edwards vice presideny would ne Obama NM. D you ever get the impression that the Dem party is being Punk'd? I know I do.

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    Last Seen John Edwards Was Running Down (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:31 PM EST
    an alleyway with his hair on fire.

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    40 points? (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:12:58 PM EST
    Holy Moly!

    And those exit polls...wow.

    I'm just stunned. How is it possible at this juncture that our presumptuous nominee is getting beaten by 40 points in battleground states?

    Why do the Democratic elites have their heads up their collective behinds?

    Is it time to move to Canada yet?

    Canada? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Robot Porter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:14:13 PM EST
    Not far enough.  I think it's time to move to Mars.

    ;)

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    Not Venus? (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:16:13 PM EST
    That is so sexist!

    ;-)

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    Heh (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:16:55 PM EST


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    Demographics is destiny. (none / 0) (#12)
    by sweetthings on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:15:12 PM EST
    Time and time again.

    But who knows. Maybe Oregon will surprise us.

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    I guess we won't know (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:18:02 PM EST
    until very late tonight, eh?

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    I said it a couple months ago.... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:14:13 PM EST
    maybe I was right...why not flip a coin?  Leave it up to the gods of chance.  Obama has the lead, but Clinton is red hot.  When all the votes are in it's gonna be a razor thin margin I'm guessing, and there is the whole Michigan and Florida clusterf*cks.

    I've got no horse in the race, but I think I'd prefer a coinflip to a crooked super delegate deciding this thing.  How 'bout you guys and gals?

    I say we do it the easy way . . . (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:18:32 PM EST
    and go with the Hot Wonky Chick  ;)

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    Amen. (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Lady in Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:27:19 PM EST
    Elect someone who knows what they're doing for a change.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by themomcat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:44:15 PM EST
    Let's elect the woman who knows where the Great Lakes are and what the Hanford site is.

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    Blasphemy.... (none / 0) (#82)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:33 PM EST
    If it's one thing I've learned it's that anybody with a D or an R after their name knows what they are doing all too well.  And that is not a good thing.

    Hillary is probably the most competent...and thats what scares me.

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    huh? (none / 0) (#104)
    by wingman2007 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:48:06 PM EST
    what's so scary about being competent

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    Competent at.... (none / 0) (#110)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM EST
    occupying foreign lands, imprisoning Americans at record levels, nurturing a police state, stifling liberty.  Damn right it scares me.

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    Coin flip? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by NWHiker on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:44 PM EST
    I think they should both just fold and leave it to Gore/Edwards or some such thing.

    (Just kidding).

    The coin toss only makes sense in the context of a unity ticket. They'd both pledge to be on it, and flip a coin to see who gets the top spot.

    Not gonna happen, and it shouldn't, but I honestly think it would actually help heal the rift in the Democratic party.

    I don't know who you could trust with the coin, though!

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    Supers (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by margph on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:41:35 PM EST
    FYI Supers were "invented" to keep elections like McGovern experienced from ever happening again.  As I recall, it was the youthful enthusiasm of his supporters that sounded so good until the voting went so bad.  Supers are supposed to be able to sort this electoral stuff out.  That does not make them "crooked" as you wrote.  I think the word you need to substitute there is "aware" or "thinking voters" or "those who know what the electoral college means" or .....you pick one.

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    I know what the electoral college means.... (none / 0) (#117)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:21 PM EST
    to me it's doublespeak for tyranny-lite.

    I guess I'm a romantic who thinks its better to lose the right way than win the wrong way.  Every American, or in this case every Democrat, should have an equal voice.  Whether the ruling class aka super delegates like how they're "thinking" or not.

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    electoral math (none / 0) (#130)
    by margph on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:38:24 PM EST
    kdog, I totally agree with you ...in a perfect world all of us would count the same.  But it is what it is.  The metric that matters IS the electoral value for each state.  Hillary is right on this.  If only the supers were also.

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    On Matthews Lying (5.00 / 10) (#20)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:18:35 PM EST
    One of the reasons an Obama nomination scares the crap out of me is that he's barely winning the nomination with the media propping him to high heaven.  What happens when that stops?  And it will mostly stop.

    Yup.. (5.00 / 7) (#21)
    by mrjerbub on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:18:37 PM EST
     "NBC is not a news organization"... and Tweety is no journalist. Thank you for watching that. I cannot.
    The guy who warmed the crowd up (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by annabelly on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:46:21 PM EST
    At the Hillary rally I attended last night in Louisville completely went off on Matthews and Olbermann. It was awesome. I boo'ed as loud as I possibly could when he mentioned their names, as did many in the crowd.

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    Obama claims majority of pledged... (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by citizen53 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:19:05 PM EST
    delegates decides?  Why even have supers?

    This whole process is abysmal.

    Does he think the supers will flip? (none / 0) (#113)
    by felizarte on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:41 PM EST
    after this thumpin' again in Kentucky? So it's back to pledge delegates as the only metric.  Supers and actual votes no longer count?

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    Turn off the teevee, my friend. (5.00 / 6) (#24)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:19:47 PM EST
    The pundits are morons.

    But i reeeally like (none / 0) (#40)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:25:47 PM EST
    the blue map.  :)

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    Aye, it's the only thing that keeps me going back (none / 0) (#72)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:34:13 PM EST
    John King needs his very own network with the pretty map.

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    CNN (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by pantsuit chic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:22:38 PM EST
    Did anyone see Borger, Brazille, Castellanos, and Toobin discussing Hillary's comments on sexism? Toobin proved his worth by actually saying the media is sexist, and Borger stood up for Hillary when Castellanos called her "abrasive and irritating."

    And they wonder why Hillary's female supporters are angry?

    a lot of discussion about it (none / 0) (#35)
    by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:23:44 PM EST
    on the first KY results post.

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    He is the creep (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:22:42 PM EST
    who said that Obama would need a food tester if Hillary was the VP

    Well, he's lucky I'm not making him (none / 0) (#56)
    by derridog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:58 PM EST
    any soup.

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    Whoops. I meant Alex, not Obama. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by derridog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:31:02 PM EST


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    Clinton campaign funds in good shape (5.00 / 7) (#32)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:23:03 PM EST
    says Fox, quoting McAuliffe.  April, the month just closed, was the second-best month of all for the campaign, with a nice cushion of funds to keep fighting.  

    You won't hear that on the other channels, huh?  And kudos to all you donors and callers here at TL -- you just made news on Fox.  Now that oughta make your heads explode like mine.:-)

    and we're back in the trenches tomorrow (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:25:56 PM EST
    I am ashamed to say that one of my cats is already maxed, but that's why I have two cats!

    And, of course, there's always Emily's List, which just got a boost from me now that I am no longer on NARAL's Leadership Council.

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    If you run out of cats (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:45:21 PM EST
    let me know. I have five and you can 'borrow' one or 2  ;)

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    Obama looks ridiculous (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Robert Oak on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:23:08 PM EST
    I'm sorry but the Obama camp celebrating their "victory" while we now have two blow outs, I mean 30+ are just not even strong wins they are blow outs and you would think the DNC would get it that the entire midwest is clearly saying something here.

    Bad Judgement (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by lisadawn82 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:29:25 PM EST
    I think that Senator Obama's campaign made a miscalculation by originally attempting to claim victory today.  

    The original intent may have been to bump Senator Clinton off of the airways but all it's done is get the pundits to talk about how he is going to loose Kentucky by 30 points over and over again.

    I don't care that the pundits are making excuses for that loss or saying that it doesn't matter.  The fact that it is repeatedly being said has got to hurt Senator Obama.

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    Karma payback for Lake County (none / 0) (#79)
    by Fultron on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:04 PM EST
    Especially with KY in the east and OR in the west. No one is going to stay up to wait for his victory speech at 11pm on the east coast, assuming they all declare OR for Obama immediately when polls close.

    Unfortunately I expect to hear all about his amazing breakthrough with white OR voters tomorrow morning while KY is dismissed.

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    Yeah, that'll be a drag (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by lisadawn82 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:46:25 PM EST
    Unfortunately I expect to hear all about his amazing breakthrough with white OR voters tomorrow morning while KY is dismissed.

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    bumped off airwaves (none / 0) (#123)
    by Robert Oak on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM EST
    That's another major point, there as been a media black out for Clinton, which is also outrageous and still she absolutely thumped him.

    When is the damn DNC going to realize their crown prince is in big trouble.

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    Remember, Kentucky borders Illinois (5.00 / 3) (#109)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:51:33 PM EST
    so that is really . . . well, as Fox is saying, "very embarrassing for Obama."  

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    Yeah,,, (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by pantsuit chic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:24:08 PM EST
    I saw this too. I wanted to smack Alex. However, it was the first time I ever saw Gloria defend Hillary at all.

    Funny, I didn't see it as defending HRC at all. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST
    In fact, I thought her scrunching up her face and saying that she probably shouldn't use that tone is exactly what's wrong with women in this country - we feel like we always have to be nice and not make waves.  ENOUGH!

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    Well... (none / 0) (#115)
    by pantsuit chic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:56:14 PM EST
    She did say that, and I disagree with her. But when Alex practically came out and called Hillary the b word, Gloria defended her. She's less despicable than Donna Brazile, who's out there riding her unity pony acting like we live in a utopian society.

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    Hillary deserves a huge win in KY (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by chancellor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:24:23 PM EST
    She campaigned tirelessly in the state and drew huge crowds wherever she went.

    Jamal is still an idiot (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:26:52 PM EST
    He did not compete.  

    And Why Not? (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:30:28 PM EST
    That's my question.  You don't get to smear an entire state as racist when you couldn't be bothered to ask for people's votes.  Kentucky has more registered democrats than republicans.  It has a democratic governor.  Yet, to keep from looking bad, Obama simply refused to do anything other than a couple of appearances in Louisville and Lexington.  

    You want to know why rural and working class whites won't vote for Obama in November, because he isn't asking for their vote and in fact just keeps saying he doesn't need them.   Obama would've still gotten creamed tonight if he'd visited Eastern Kentucky, but I would feel a whole lot better about him as the nominee and he could've built some goodwill for the GE.  Besides which, leaders lead.  Obama doesn't.

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    He does not do the (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:33:31 PM EST
    hard stuff.  That to me tells a lot about the guy.  She did not give up on North Carolina.

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    Spot on (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by aquarian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:34:40 PM EST
    Dismiss at your peril those states that have a chance of going blue in November.  GE's are won by thousands of votes.

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    She's Now Up 20% (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    with just short of 30% of the vote in.  She leads 58-38.   The question for me is whether Obama will stay about 30%.  I think he will, but not above 35%.  

    BTW, if you don't want to give CNN hits, I recommend the KY SOS site that BTD linked.  It seems to be up to date.

    I am so glad (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by themomcat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:28:44 PM EST
    that I'm watching "Law & Order" re-runs. We have no unbiased, fair media. They are all puppets of their corporate media masters and will say anything to maintain their paychecks. As for Donna Brazile, I have no comment that is fit for this site, other than that I am extremely disappointed in her.

    God I would settle for a tie in Oregon... (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Mrwirez on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:34:05 PM EST
    She always finishes stronger and some polls had her within 5, but I don't know, I don't want to get my hopes up. I am anxious to hear her speech about sexism..... I am a construction worker, and a biker and I think a woman is what this country needs, a STRONG woman. I think the world needs a softer, gentler view of the United States, but with policies that benefit all.  Please.... A TIE or better!

    Fred Barnes (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:34:37 PM EST
    of the Weekly Standard, on Fox, said that FL and MI must be resolved.  He said that if they're not, then this will be the first 48 state convention since 1956 (before Alaska and Hawaii were states).  

    HRC raised between 21-35 million in April? (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:40:04 PM EST
    did I hear that right?!

    Terry sounds good and positive though!

    Yep. In honor of that ... (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by davnee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:45:45 PM EST
    ... I am off to donate.

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    Hillary wins by about 65% (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:43:48 PM EST
    No spinning this.

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM EST
    Juan Williams just said that Hillary has displayed extraordinary strength and fortitude.  Fred Barnes said, "Which is exactly why he [Obama] won't want her on the ticket!"  

    I must say I hate these Unity Ticket discussions.

    NBC is not a news organization, and ... (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:01:10 PM EST
    ... "Chris Matthews just lied on NBC" is not news.

    Turnout (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:01:45 PM EST
    Turnout is also very high.  Lots of counties are already surpassing in turnout the number of 2004 Kerry general election voters.  With 50% in, we've already got 420,000 votes in, on pace to surpass the 712,000 who voted for Kerry in 2004.

    Aaagh (none / 0) (#126)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM EST
    CNN had an error in the early numbers.  Turnout will probably be around 650-675K, just a bit short of Kerry's 2004 vote total

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by tnjen on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:02:41 PM EST
    She's carrying E. KY 85%+ and the rest of the state at 60-70%

    I Hope So, As She is Only Ahead By 5 Pts. (none / 0) (#2)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:03:48 PM EST
    with 16% in.

    All Louisville (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Fultron on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:30:31 PM EST
    88% reporting there, and 50% in Fayette. Obama will be demolished pretty much everywhere else that hasn't started reporting. Expect the margin to grow.

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    Does anyone have any insight as to why he is (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by derridog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    way up in the Gallup national polls?  I'm in Missouri visiting relatives and they all can't stand  Obama.  They want Hillary and not McCain. The Wright association has made a deep and negative impression here.

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    I Was Wondering That Myself....Somehow He (none / 0) (#94)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:44:17 PM EST
    magically shot up 10 points?

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    It was like that just before Wright (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:49:52 PM EST
    and Obama dropped fast.  It was like that just before WV, and Obama dropped fast again.  The Gallup is very volatile.  I think it must call only heavy media users, too prone to the horse race stuff.

    Btw, interestingly, I got polled twice today in Wisconsin, once by Rasmussen.  Watch for more soon.

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    FTR...I Don't Like It. Is Gallup Volatile Or Just (none / 0) (#124)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:18:31 PM EST
    slanted...

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    Selective Polling... (none / 0) (#111)
    by Josmt on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST
    I have yet to get a call/question about who am I going to vote in the fall...

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    Well, Wisconsin is a major swing state (5.00 / 0) (#127)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:39:02 PM EST
    as the closest state last time, one of the closest the time before . . . we're accustomed to lots of polling, campaign ads, etc.  Our local media benefit a lot from that, of course.  And of course, most are conservative.  So they must have quite a balancing act, trying to get us to go for McCain but not by too much, or we won't make money for them as a swing state anymore. :-)

    The difference is rather clear to me when I compare their coverage of politics vs. the Packers.  

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    I Have Yet To Receive One Of Those Calls Too (none / 0) (#125)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:12 PM EST


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    May I add that Roland Martin (none / 0) (#60)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:30:44 PM EST
    should also be called an Obama supporter -- especially after Wright's "shout out" to him -- he just said that Obama is the "champion team that has got the first berth so is resting up for the playoffs" as the reason he hasn't campaigned in WV & KY. (and, btw, no mention of the beaucoup bucks that Obama spent in WV & KY while not "campaigning" there).

    via 538: (none / 0) (#63)
    by andreww on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:32:03 PM EST
    6:16 PM. It's one thing for a campaign surrogate to spin information, but Terry McAuliffe just flat out made something up on Hardball, claiming that there was a general election poll in Kentucky that showed Hillary Clinton ahead of John McCain. If such a poll exists, there is no evidence of it anywhere on the Internet. I also heard him make the same claim about a week ago, so it wasn't any kind of misspeak.

    Guess Hillary and team aren't being factual either.

    He is wrong (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:14 PM EST
    There is such a poll. It is old but it exists.

    Poblano needs to ask why Matthews lied tonightl. But he does not care.

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    Well, wonder where that Alex fellow read all (none / 0) (#69)
    by bridget on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:33:54 PM EST
    those things - can't put a face to the name but I am sure I know him when I see him

    I am not watching TV right now - until later ... better for my health that way.

    Been hanging around at TL so far and thank everyone for posting the good and the bad ;-)

    Terry McAuliffe on Fox now (none / 0) (#84)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:38:51 PM EST


    did you hear the $$ number? (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:39:50 PM EST
    in April ?  wow...over 20 million.

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    pretty impressive (5.00 / 4) (#90)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:41:39 PM EST
    for a candidate that's "finished".

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    And Fox asking who would be HRC's VP! (5.00 / 6) (#99)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:46:42 PM EST
    I loved that.  Fox is actually reporting this as news, reporting her as still possibly winning the nom (which, of course, is possible by the roolz), rather than acting like Timmeh and the others in calling for the b**tch to stop messing it up for the boyz.

    This is a hoot -- Fox actually is being fair and balanced.  Next, the sun will set in the east.


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    Math people. What is the sense on KY turnout? (none / 0) (#100)
    by davnee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:47:33 PM EST
    I can't tell at a glance.  I want it to be high, because turnout is going to be high in OR, but you can't compete with the ease of mail-in ballots.

    Projecting on KY SoS site: 1 million (none / 0) (#108)
    by ineedalife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:50:04 PM EST
    Assuming the precints are roughly uniform in number of voters it should get to about a million or ~60%. Of course the rural precints could have much fewer people.

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    Harry R suggested HRC might want Sen Majority? (none / 0) (#106)
    by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:49:48 PM EST
    news to me! She could kick some bootie there . .

    That would be my pick for her (none / 0) (#116)
    by davnee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:56:47 PM EST
    I don't know if it is feasible given seniority and all that, plus obviously Harry Reid himself, but that is what I'd like to see for her.  I want her, if she turns out not to be president, to be there to keep Obama in line and not let him skate on progressive issues.

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    Or should I say keep McCain in line (none / 0) (#118)
    by davnee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:58:31 PM EST
    I put my current odds on BO winning in Nov. at 50-50 with a probable downward trajectory on those odds.

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    I knew that (none / 0) (#112)
    by Mrwirez on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:41 PM EST
    the delicate little pansy John Edwards would have the reverse effect with the white working guy's. It is hard to preach TWO America's from a $26 million dollar mansion... Freaking turncoat opportunist. JE is soooo transparent.

    Hillary to surpass Kerry (none / 0) (#119)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:00:32 PM EST
    There's a few counties where Hillary is getting more votes vs. Barack Obama than John Kerry did in 2004 vs. George Bush.

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