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First Polls Close in Indiana: Early Returns

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:02:45 PM EST
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Update: All polls close in 3 minutes. I'll start a second results thread. 62,000 votes in, Hillary at 59%. Obama is ahead in one county, Allen. Maps here.

Update: 46,000 votes in, Hillary 61%, Obama 39%.

Update: 40,000 votes in. Hillary now at 60%, Obama 40%. They may include some Indianapolis returns as Wolf Blitzer said a few minutes ago some just came in. 2% of vote. Hillary ahead in every county reporting so far, about 15 of them.

Update: 38,000 votes in, Hillary 61%, Obama 39%.

Update: First results, Hillary 66%, Obama 34%, less than 1% or 4,000 votes in. Hillary is winning rural Clinton county and five others. Very small counties. Now, Hillary 63%, Obama 37%, around 9,000 votes.

The first polls have closed in Indiana. The rest close in one hour. Maps are here.

I'll put the first returns here, along with new exit polling data. More below.

Update: 6:10pm ET, no numbers yet. Here's the link to live results from the Indiana Secretary of State.

BTD Here. Watched Fox. Hillary won Indiana according to the exits based on their behavior imo. I would say she won by 5 according to the Fox exits.

Comments closing, new thread here.

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    I'm getting the feeling that today will (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:05:00 PM EST
    produce another result that lets Hillary continue, but doesn't markedly improve her position. I hope I'm wrong.

    i agree (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Turkana on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:06:46 PM EST
    i think obama will successfully run out the clock, and stagger to the nomination. i could be wrong.

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    Seems it (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:08:34 PM EST


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    I'm Afraid You're Right (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by BDB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:13:49 PM EST
    And party elders will look on in horror as he's slowly ground down.

    I still say if the democratic candidate loses in November, every leader in the democratic party should be forced to resign from his or her leadership position.

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    In politics, people often fail upwards. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:16:15 PM EST
    Perhaps Donna Brazile will be the DNC chair if Obama loses.

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    won't that be sweet :-) (none / 0) (#30)
    by RalphB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST


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    Nahhhhh (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:19:31 PM EST
    They'll just change the acronym from:

    WWTSBQ

    to:

    WD(idn't)TSBQ.

    It will all be "Hitlery's" fault.

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    If Obama loses the General Election (none / 0) (#35)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:18:41 PM EST
    We know exactly who enabled the mess. On the blogs and among the DNC bigwigs and Press--they are on record.

    Night of the Long Knives.

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    I called the DNC today (none / 0) (#70)
    by magisterludi on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:29:08 PM EST
    and said exactly that.

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    Nahh (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Chimster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:54:51 PM EST
    He peaked too early. These Superdelegates coming out for him are trying to halt the damage. You cannot win on a downward trajectory when the decision is going to be made by people who need to vote their concscience, not just by delegates, and popular count alone. I believe the longer she stays in, the better chance Obama will lose.

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    You and I think alike (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:57:01 PM EST
    That's exactly how I see him.

    Now, if had great substance and experience, I'd think it was a dip.

    But......unknown guy with no real national experience in this much trouble?

    That's not a dip.

    That's an ending.

    And the rest, I agree, is all chatter.  Just look at the nitwits coming out for him now.  They deserve a medal for being Most Brashly looking for attention about themselves!

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    Yes (none / 0) (#2)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:05:59 PM EST
    it will go according to my predictions:

    NC: Obama +9.5
    IN: Clinton +9.5

    This way, either can argue that the other didn't perform well enough.

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    Teresa (none / 0) (#6)
    by eric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:07:36 PM EST
    are you still "in Snow" or has it melted?  Totally off topic but just curious.  Good predictions, I think.

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    No (none / 0) (#14)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:18 PM EST
    but I was when I signed up in January.  I'd like to change my name to something less "seasonal" but I'm afraid to be accused of being a "sock-puppet". (I already have enough problems ;-).

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    Let's hope not. (none / 0) (#19)
    by sweetthings on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:08 PM EST
    There aren't very many contests left. Hillary really needs a game-changer tonight.

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    Obama's been found out. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:44:30 PM EST
    His coalition as feeble and contradictory.

    His meta theme was that he's a post racial candidate who could unify the nation. As it turns out he was a long time subscriber to radical activism and militancy, black liberation theology and race-baiting opponents.

    It's as plain as the nose on the face of a blind superdelegate.  They are bound to miss the problem.

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    LOL* (none / 0) (#104)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:48:18 PM EST
    Confident of politician's depth in analytical skills, eh?

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    Can't We Hope The DNC Steps In To Tell (none / 0) (#140)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:01:28 PM EST
    obama it isn't looking good for him in the general election and he should step out.  And, then he can say ala the republicans, "I want to spend more time with my family".

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    I hope you are very wrong. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Chimster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:47:13 PM EST
    My take is that Obama's balloon is deflating. Does anyone think that all of a sudden he'll come up with new inspiring speeches and masses of new supporters will buy into it? His schtick is over. He's now playing defense. That's not the way to win an election.

    I truly believe that there's a boat load of Buyer's Remorse on the Barrack side and not so much on Hillary's side. I believe pledged and super delegates know this and you will be pleasantly surprised by what becomes of all this.

    Florida and Michigan will be key to Obama's implosion.

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    Hear about the 12 nuns who were turned away (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:07:08 PM EST
    for lack of ID from St. Mary's?  I once danced the polka there.  :)

    A fellow nunny bunny turned them away!  :)

    Turning away nuns... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kredwyn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:09:53 PM EST
    Don't you go to h3ll for that kinda thing?

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    so long as the nuns have their (none / 0) (#39)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:20:28 PM EST
    knuckles rapped with a 12 inch ruler.

    I remember Sister Helen, Old school Irish-Irish Nun/Math teacher.

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    Yes, and I believe they were in their 80's (none / 0) (#143)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:04:09 PM EST
    and 90's....that's just wrong.

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    If only 6% of whites voted for Obama... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by citizen53 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:07:25 PM EST
    what would that say?

    uhm... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:09:09 PM EST
    that he could not possibly win in the ge because the population is almost 80% caucasian?

    Something tells me that wasn't the answer you were going for, though.

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    But troubling so few AAs voted Clinton (none / 0) (#13)
    by catfish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:10:05 PM EST
    Why is this happening?

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    Catfish- the Obama campaign with media help (5.00 / 6) (#26)
    by kenosharick on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:14:55 PM EST
    have turned the Clintons into evil racists in the AA community. So crazy after all their work for civil rights- it makes me very sad.

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    Thought more could see through it (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by catfish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:18:46 PM EST
    I've watched carefully b/c true racism would turn me off. But all she said was Wright wouldn't be her pastor - well can you blame her? She lives in New York. He called out Hill and Bill from the pulput "Bill riding us dirty like he did Monica".

    Yet the liberal blogs often say "she smeared him with the Rev Wright issue." Huh? Has she brought this up ever? Has she run an ad? Only time she mentions it is in response to a question.

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    And let's not forget John Kerry (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Chimster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:02 PM EST
    When Kerry was asked why he thinks Obama can bridge the divide with Islam, Kerry's response was: "Because he's African American. Because he's a black man."

    According to many BO supporters, even if you're not actually a racist, one slip of the tongue could turn you into one . Because Kerry was supporting Obama, I don't think he was set to those same standards.

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    Obama's having trouble (none / 0) (#84)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:38:47 PM EST
    bridging divides inside the Democratic electorate.

    Islam?  lol. Good luck.

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    Let's See If Some AA's Bamboozled Those (none / 0) (#147)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:06:14 PM EST
    taking exit polls and see how it plays out when the votes are counted.  I really will be disappointed in the AA community if that many actually fell for obama and his campaign's b.s.

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    because michelle played the race card (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by oldnorthstate on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:26:23 PM EST
    and managed to accuse black america that the clintons are racist at the same time?

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    Just thought more could see through it (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by catfish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:30:49 PM EST
    Yeah I saw her do that and found it pretty obvious what she was doing. And I totally understand some identity voting. But Identity voting would allow some AA women to vote Hillary.

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    Has she continued to do that? (none / 0) (#75)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:32:17 PM EST


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    It's happening for a very good reason (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:08:37 PM EST
    and that's racial pride.  It's natural, nothing nefarious about it.  I doubt very many AAs buy the nonsense about the Clintons being racist.  They want to vote for their guy, and bravo to them.  I can't fault anybody for that.  The only reason they were in her camp way back in the beginning is because they thought Obama had no chance to win.  After Iowa, that changed overnight.

    The AA community are the savviest voters we have in this country.  They are not fooled by the "Clintons are racist" crap.  The only people fooled by that are the white so-called "creative class" types.


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    LOL* (none / 0) (#16)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:31 PM EST
    Are you serious?

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    Heh (none / 0) (#20)
    by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:23 PM EST
    Deeply, deeply troubling.

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    african american voters (none / 0) (#25)
    by sancho on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:14:43 PM EST
    hate republicans more than any other dem. group. they will vote for the dem. nominee regardless and may even be responsible for the fact that more obama voters say right now they will vote in nov.  for hillary than the reverse. however, some of my african american friends argued that the wright-obama drama of the past weeks was choreographed between the two of them to increase and solidify af-am turnout today. and of course that drama also tries to distance obama from wright for the ge. i'm not saying i agree with that argument but it is intersting to think about.

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    I can understand it against a Republican... (none / 0) (#58)
    by citizen53 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:07 PM EST
    but when it's two Democrats, then it starts to stink to me.

    With Republicans, it has to do with issues.

    I do not like to see this type of identity voting, no matter who is involved.

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    Why call it identity voting? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by felizarte on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:43:20 PM EST
    It is racism, nothing else.

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    Because I know that non AA Americans (none / 0) (#99)
    by felizarte on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:46:57 PM EST
    are not allowed to have "identity voting" and are immediately called racists if they  did this.

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    Awww......I like to use racism to connote (none / 0) (#111)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:51:00 PM EST
    ill-will and feeling superior.  That's different from identity politics.

    In fact, in my travels around blogs, I've run across some very sharp AA sites that are clearly pro-Obama and also clearly not taken in like those who shall remain unnamed.  :)

    It's a breath of fresh air to read, trust me!

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    Catfish, coming fishing? (none / 0) (#53)
    by feet on earth on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:24:58 PM EST


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    How come IN (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Andy08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:08:09 PM EST
    has places closing at 6pm EST ? I thought it was 7pm EST... That's really early...

    Parts of the state are in EST (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:09:06 PM EST
    and yes, it's early.

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    Split TIme Zone (none / 0) (#11)
    by BDB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:09:51 PM EST
    Indiana polls close at 6 (contemplate that along with the voter id law).  Part of Indiana is in the eastern time zone, so 6 is 6.  Part of it is in the central time zone so 6 there is 7 eastern.

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    Which means it's about 50 minutes (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:28 PM EST
    before they let us mere mortals look at the exit poll for IN.

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    I see (none / 0) (#69)
    by Andy08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:29:00 PM EST
    so all of IN closes "at 6pm"  
    (whether EST (real 6) or CT = 7pm EST).

    Still early; unless people can get time out of work for lunch and go vote instead; it's kind of hard to make it...

    Thanks!

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    It's the Midwest (none / 0) (#22)
    by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:49 PM EST
    Bedtime is at 8:30.

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    That Was Not Nice Steve (none / 0) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:18:14 PM EST
    We have been known to stay up as late as 9:30 p.m. here in the Midwest.

    All kidding aside may of us are night owls here in the Midwest. We don't even hit the clubs before 10:00 p.m.

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    Hee hee (none / 0) (#42)
    by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:21:37 PM EST
    Well, I am a native Michigander myself.  Once upon a time, I visited NYC and some friends took me out to a club.  We got there a little after midnight and, guess what, they were still setting up.  Virtually no one was there yet.

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    Correct; some of us go to the clubs (none / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:32 PM EST
    though, to find the other night owls . . . since no place else is still open.  That is so for much of the Midwest.

    But in my neighborhood, still stuck in the '60s, there are bookstores and other places, too.  It's why I live here -- as I still can find conversation at clubs, bookstores, etc., because my spouse is a Midwesterner raised in a farm area.  So he still is asleep by 9:30 -- since he still gets up before dawn, ugh ugh ugh.

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    I was in Madison once (none / 0) (#55)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:26:05 PM EST
    and they closed the bar we were in at 1.

    Hehn?

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    Wow (none / 0) (#64)
    by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:12 PM EST
    Harsh for a college town!  In Michigan last call was at 2.

    When I lived in Chicago, some of the bars closed at 2, but apparently you could pay more for a special liquor license that lets you stay open later.  So it's like, bars close at 2, some people go home, others gravitate to the handful of bars that are open till 3... those bars close, some people go home, the rest gravitate to the bar that's open till 4...

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    in retrospect (none / 0) (#78)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:33:37 PM EST
    my singing may have had something to do with it.

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    I grew up in Peoria (none / 0) (#113)
    by echinopsia on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:01 PM EST
    And bars stayed open until 4 a.m.

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    Peoria my hometown, too. (none / 0) (#145)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:05:38 PM EST
    What high school?

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    See (none / 0) (#66)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:14 PM EST
    I'm a born and raised Michigander who loves to go to bed at 9:00 or 9:30. Now, if they would open the clubs at 7:30 AM, that would be AWESOME!

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    This is progress for IN, sez my spouse (none / 0) (#24)
    by Cream City on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:14:15 PM EST
    from that state.  Polls used to be 8 to 5 there, so no one from the working class could vote.

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    The worst part of having him as (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kenosharick on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:46 PM EST
    the nom (besides that means a mccain WH) is the "obamamaniacs" lording it over Hillary supprters. I do not think they will be gracious in victory.

    Not gonna happen (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:15:13 PM EST
    rick.  Don't even go there, man!  It's Clinton's night!

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    You aren't kidding (none / 0) (#32)
    by rnibs on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:18:02 PM EST
    about that.  They take their cue for rudeness from their snide chosen one.

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    3000 in (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:05 PM EST
    64$ for Hillary.  :)

    I think it's a good sign.  *haha

    The Obama areas will be in last (none / 0) (#49)
    by Cream City on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:23:51 PM EST
    as those are in the 18 (of 74 total) counties in IN in the central time zone, so they close an hour later.

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    she looks like she's got IN (none / 0) (#80)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:34:30 PM EST
    5,000 pad amounting to about a 20-30% lead. It's hers so let's crunch the numbers in NC.

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    Up to a whopping 11,000 (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:42:52 PM EST
    and holding at 65%.  (Early returns...little rural counties only ones coming in yet.                

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    I've got my Hillary candle burning (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:29:32 PM EST
    I even lit a candle in the office this afternoon.  My boss said, "How romantic!"  

    Rise, Hillary, rise!  Be polished like gold!

    I am wearing my Women for Hillary button (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by bridget on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:40:56 PM EST
    on every election day

    A Real estate agent (a huge guy) showing the house next door was passing me by on my way to the mailbox and he said: Hillary, Yay! I said: "Right!" That felt good.

    Rise, Hillary, Rise!

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    Did you notice? (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:31:18 PM EST
    Jeralyn said she's winning Clinton County    :)

    Blog commenting affects outcome (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by catfish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:38:55 PM EST
    of the race! Only way I can justify being here and clicking "refresh". Pathetic! So glad there's good company in this behavior!

    I heard some interesting numbers on the (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Anne on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:49:48 PM EST
    percentage of Clinton xupporters who would vote for Obama if he's the nominee, versus percentage of Obama supporters who would vote for her as the nominee.

    Can't remember the exact percentages, but it was something like 59% of Hillary supporters would vote for Obama, and 70-something percent of Obama supporters who would vote for her.

    My immediate thought was - see, she's even more electable there, too.  Which made me think that the SD's ought not to make the mistake of assuming the Clinton supporters will fall in line if they insist on forcing Obama on us.

    Time to distract myself with dinner, the Simpsons and Jeopardy!

    I hate it when I get this thoughts (5.00 / 0) (#112)
    by Florida Resident on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:51:59 PM EST
    But, isn't it kind of wrong that the post-racial candidate has to depend on getting around 90% of the AA votes and that the AA vote be over 30 or 35% of the total in order for him to win a Democratic primary?

    Given the history of AA's... (none / 0) (#136)
    by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:59:41 PM EST
    ... I think everyone agrees that identity voting is expected and respectable.

    I wonder will it be as strong if President Obama is running for re-election, or the next time a strong black candidate runs for president?

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    57,000 still 60 - 40 (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by karen for Clinton on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:59:00 PM EST
    breaking out the party hats for everybody.

    Way too early... (none / 0) (#137)
    by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:00:48 PM EST
    ... especially as Indianapolis hasn't reported anything at all yet.

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    That's it! Rolling Rock time! (none / 0) (#141)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:02:14 PM EST
    GO, Hillary!!!!

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    Right now may be the peak moment (none / 0) (#144)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:04:22 PM EST
    of the day.

    Monk is on TV......Hillary is ahead by 59%.....and I'm in my comfy clothes.

    Doesn't get a lot better.  :)

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    Ferget it...!! (4.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:25 PM EST
    gonna go kill snails in the garden.  

    Dont count your chicken... (1.00 / 0) (#149)
    by SAINTIXE56 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:06:53 PM EST
    true; soime Clinton voters among them operation chaos rep voters will not vote obama in November, but many obama voters whle politely smiling will not vorte clinton in the fall. You dont like our guy, well, we loathe your gal; to the point that before Obama I was going to vote MCcAIN along my husband and son. You think him unvetted, well we think HRC so much vetted it stinks.

    She's been declared dead more times (none / 0) (#17)
    by nycstray on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:34 PM EST
    than a cat has lives . . .   B. Clinton  :D

    Good Link (none / 0) (#27)
    by creeper on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:14:58 PM EST
    Thanks for the hookup with Indiana SOS office.

    Oooh, we have results (none / 0) (#31)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:17:50 PM EST
    Clinton 66%/Obama 34% 0% reporting.

    MacCaskill (none / 0) (#34)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:18:16 PM EST
    "I don't trust exit polls"

    Uh, hey--sorry, facts intruding here: exit polls have been wrong, but not in the way you are hoping.

    "Superdelegates are coming to Barack Obama."

    You horribly irrelevant woman.

    I'm trying to think (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MaryGM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:21:13 PM EST
    Is there any other congressional surrogate more "fan-girl/boy-ish" about their candidate than McCaskill?  I sure can't think of one.

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    Is it just me (none / 0) (#52)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:24:25 PM EST
    or is Wolf pushing his August primary plan for the recount?

    I think it'd be hilarious after all this if FL and MI got to settle the race.  Imagine how the idiots over at you know where will shriek about how we can't "validate" or "reward" FL and MI because THEY BROKE THE RULES!!!

    Anyway, with Wolfie pushing this idea, I think it'll get some legs.  I wonder what's in it for him? (other than credit)

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    I think something is up (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by americanincanada on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:05 PM EST
    withthe exit poll data or something.

    Both CNN and MSNBC are haroing big time on Florida and MI and getting those delegates seated and letting them count toward selecting the nom. the mood on MSNBC seems to have soured a bit as well.

    What's going on?

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    I love it when Tweety gets heartburn. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:23 PM EST


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    I think you're right (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:30:51 PM EST
    Or--could it be?--they have learned from past mistakes?

    I noticed their chatter is couched, too.  We never heard about FL and MI until now.  Something is going on.  Maybe they are finally taking note of the fact that Clinton keeps winning in these key demographics?

    I have to admit she has been firing on all cylinders with the press lately.  Maybe she's managed to woo some of the kids on the plane, and that's having a trickle up effect?

    And, of course, enough positives cannot be said of Maggie Williams.  She's run this campaign so well lately.  Good glimpse of the tight machine that Clinton will make of government.

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    It really is odd (none / 0) (#86)
    by americanincanada on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:39:48 PM EST
    to hear them talking about how she can't win the nom even if she wins both states tonight by some miracle. Why even mention it then?

    And stranger still is the hammerng of Florida and MI.

    Jeffrey Toobin in CNN just called Clinton supporters who say they won't vote for Obama bitter and grouchy because she is losing and that we will fall in line when the time comes.

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    I heard Toobin (5.00 / 0) (#94)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:44:22 PM EST
    with the bitter and grouchy.  Reminded me of the time an ex said, "she's just on the rag, she'll be better next week."  

    And then I sliced off one of his testies with my pinky fingernail.

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    And I assume (none / 0) (#89)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:42:14 PM EST
    he'll say the same thing about the Obama supporters who won't vote for Hillary if she's the nom?

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    "bitter and grouchy"?! (none / 0) (#103)
    by nycstray on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:47:34 PM EST
    "fall in line"?! methinks he has a few lessons to learn about women  ;)

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    I just logged back on (none / 0) (#97)
    by Lil on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:46:09 PM EST
    to say this exact same thing. They are spending more time than ever on those 2 states. I don't know what that means, but it does seem different that they are even talking about it. Hard to keep up with it all while doing dinner, homework, etc.

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    BTD makes them talk! heh (none / 0) (#101)
    by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:47:19 PM EST


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    i believe (none / 0) (#98)
    by cpinva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:46:31 PM EST
    IA, NH & SC broke the rules too. hey, i could be wrong.

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    I wish Obama had a representative who was (none / 0) (#38)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:19:42 PM EST
    a white woman but not a victim..
    snark

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    Ha ha (none / 0) (#44)
    by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:18 PM EST
    Imagine if the exit polls were taken by economists.  NO ONE would listen to them!

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    She should return to Missouri (none / 0) (#45)
    by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:22 PM EST
    and fix what ails Obama's tanking stats in that state.

    She's a Negligent Peter

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    "You horribly irrelevant woman" (none / 0) (#61)
    by lookoverthere on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:43 PM EST
    This is my most favoritest insult of the primary season.

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    Clare just oozes Hillary hate. (none / 0) (#68)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:56 PM EST
    I can't wait to hear her spin after Barack loses.

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    Somebody tell me who to watch. I can't take (none / 0) (#40)
    by Teresa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:20:56 PM EST
    much more CNN.

    Watch (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:23:14 PM EST
    The CNN election center.

    Link

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    Yes that is a great site I follow also (none / 0) (#102)
    by bridget on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:47:25 PM EST
    found it when Jeralyn posted the link some time ago

    thanks, Jeralyn!

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    Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:24:00 PM EST
    I like AOL reporting.  

    Google AOL Indiana primary.  It pops up.  Easy to follow.  No chatter.

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    I'm sticking with Fox (none / 0) (#60)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:20 PM EST
    I never thought I'd say that! =)

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    Who is the Dem analyst on Fox? (none / 0) (#82)
    by Teresa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:37:59 PM EST


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    Does Fox have a Dem analyst? (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:08 PM EST
    At the moment, I'm seeing Bill Kristol, a woman from Fortune Magazine and a man from the Weekly Standard.

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    I have seen Bob Beckel (sp) over there (none / 0) (#116)
    by bridget on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:15 PM EST
    he sounds like an Obamasupporter in a big way -

    heard him say it was all over for Hillary months ago

    I try not to listen to him - I used to like him but that was a long time ago, in the 90s. He put on a lot of weight since then, poor guy.

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    I can't help you - just hanging out at TL (none / 0) (#81)
    by bridget on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:35:23 PM EST
    if things are looking good, if Hillary wins I might click around a few minutes and check the numbers (on Fox mostly without sound) and later listen to her speech on FOX as well (do not want to hear a word or witness smirking from tweety, russert, Obermann etc. or the CNN people again.

    I know ... Fox - who would have thunk it - did the same thing when we were waiting for the Penn results. I do not listen to any postpunditry anymore either. TV is then turned off and my head and heart thanks me.

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    Me too! (none / 0) (#105)
    by nashville on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:48:36 PM EST
    I'm too nervous, actually nauseaous to watch!

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    Claire is just awful. (none / 0) (#48)
    by kmblue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:23:21 PM EST
    If I supported Obama, I would tell him get rid of her.  As it is, I say keep her out there 24/7!

    I rooted for her so hard (none / 0) (#62)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:56 PM EST
    in 2006.  Bleh.  Be careful what you wish for.

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    I actually contributed (none / 0) (#131)
    by vigkat on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:57:34 PM EST
    some of my hard earned dollars to her campaign.  I want it back, every single penny. I become more outraged about it every time I see her doing her inimitable Obama crush/gush.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#54)
    by americanincanada on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:25:50 PM EST
    Fox saying that the white male vote is significantly worse for Obama in Indiana and NC than in previous states.

    white men (none / 0) (#59)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:14 PM EST
    (she says in a sweeping, general statement) tend to want to run with whomever looks like the winner.

    Obama ain't lookin' like a winner lately.

    If that holds, then it's significant, because Clinton is proving that she can cut into an Obama bloc.

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    heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by cpinva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:50:37 PM EST
    i'm a middle-aged, college educated, professional (or so says the AICPA). i also happen to be a white male. i live in va. i voted happily for sen. clinton in our dem primary.

    i look forward to going into the voting booth in nov., with a huge grin on my face, and voting for her again!

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    I said it was a (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Kathy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:55:26 PM EST
    sweeping generalization! Don't blame me because you can't read carefully!  (And I commend you for your work with animals.  I donate to the ASPCA as often as I can.)

    We all look forward to going to the voting booth in November and giving one for our girl!

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    As my mother would say (none / 0) (#138)
    by tree on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:01:02 PM EST
    You're a hoot, Kathy. Love your sense of humor. And I can always use the laughter on election nights!

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    With Wright and BitterCling (none / 0) (#107)
    by RalphB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:49:20 PM EST
    I should hope so, else he is teflon.

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    Hypothetically (none / 0) (#65)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:14 PM EST
    If somehow, by some ridiculous miracle, Hilary wins both IN and NC, will people call for Obama to drop out of the race?

    Never. (none / 0) (#76)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:32:24 PM EST
    And not after she wins WV and KY either. They'll still insist SHE can't win because of the Pledged Delegates. They will still call for HER to drop out. Not him. Just watch.

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    No. (none / 0) (#77)
    by sweetthings on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:32:55 PM EST
    At least, not legitimately. Even if he loses NC and Indiana, he'll almost certainly still be ahead in delegates. However, it would be grievous blow to his campaign. Right now, the assumption is that Obama is safe to simply run down the clock. If he were to lose NC and Indiana, that assumption would change. He would need to demonstrate that his campaign was not fatally wounded, and frankly, given the remaining contests, that would be hard.

    Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to get anything so dramatic tonight. Hillary will win Indiana, and live to fight another day. Obama will win NC, and continue running down the clock, and we'll all tune in tomorrow for the next exciting episode.

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    But (none / 0) (#87)
    by nell on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:39:54 PM EST
    there is no way he will lose NC. AA vote is 35 percent, he is getting 91 percent...he cannot lose NC unless he dipped well below 30 percent of the white vote, which we know by now did not happen.

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#93)
    by sweetthings on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:43:34 PM EST
    I don't see any way for Hillary to win NC at this point; while exit polling is always wrong, it would have to be really, really wrong to produce a Clinton victory at this point. Demographics is destiny. At the same time, I think it's very, very unlikely that Obama will win Indiana.

    Which means that we'll be in the same place tomorrow that we were yesterday. Fun time to be a Super, that's for sure.

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    People who love to "pay back" will (none / 0) (#79)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:33:53 PM EST
    but it's as stupid as demanding she drop out.

    That was what caused me to declare Independent.

    It was the bully stuff by Dean.              

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    you mean, (none / 0) (#118)
    by cpinva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:59 PM EST
    It was the bully stuff by Dean.  

    the stupid stuff by dean didn't bother you?

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    I'm pretty tolerant of stupidity (none / 0) (#142)
    by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:02:50 PM EST
    but not bullying.  :)

    There, I draw the line!


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    If he loses both states, this it the right (none / 0) (#83)
    by MarkL on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:38:04 PM EST
    time for talks about a unity ticket.
    I don't think he will lose NC though.

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    Blecch (none / 0) (#90)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:42:51 PM EST
    Bill Kristol is espousing an Obama/Clinton ticket.  I don't think Clinton supporters will fall in line quite so easily, but maybe that's just me.

    I'll take (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:02 PM EST
    Clinton/Obama with Obama assigned to state funeral duty. He can do eulogies.

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    He'd be good with that (5.00 / 0) (#124)
    by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:55:27 PM EST
    If they weren't dead already, they'd be dead of boredom by the end of his eulogy.

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    Obama/Clinton? I write in Hillary. (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by nycstray on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:55:35 PM EST


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    On the NYT yesterday (none / 0) (#96)
    by Manuel on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:45:15 PM EST
    Kristol mentioned a poll that showed McCain beating Obama but McCain/Romney losing to Obama/Clinton.

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    Still trying to fake the dems (none / 0) (#133)
    by felizarte on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:58:51 PM EST
    into coming up with a weak ticket. I don't believe Kristol.

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    Huffington exit polls show Obama (none / 0) (#106)
    by gabbyone on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:49:04 PM EST
    12 points ahead in North Carolina??????

    Why do you torture yourself with HuffPo? (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:50:58 PM EST
    It's just not worth it.

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    Not tortuirng (none / 0) (#128)
    by gabbyone on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:56:51 PM EST
    just wonder where they get this stuff?

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    Arianna polled... (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Marco21 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:54:10 PM EST
    Markos, Olbermann and MSNBC interns. :)

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    LOL ... that is so true (5.00 / 0) (#151)
    by bridget on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:08:39 PM EST
    I needed that ... still laughing ;-)

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    Interesting. No one else is reporting (5.00 / 0) (#127)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:55:58 PM EST
    NC numbers. Where does HuffObama get their numbers? Out of their...?

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    They're extrapolating... (none / 0) (#132)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:57:42 PM EST
    ...from the exit polling.

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    Ah, I see. (none / 0) (#139)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:01:17 PM EST
    So they're Dreamin'. ;)

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    Brazille..hypocrite. We care about WV and KY (none / 0) (#117)
    by Teresa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:52:56 PM EST
    voters even if they are small. Too bad she doesn't feel the same about two big states.

    Tom Daschle makes me sick. He wants (none / 0) (#120)
    by thereyougo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:54:45 PM EST
    to split the MI FL with Obama. The fairest thing would have been to hold another election. Obama was right, he'd lose today.

    He can forget it! (5.00 / 0) (#134)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:58:51 PM EST
    Obama will NOT get half of Hillary's votes. People did not vote for him in FL! His name was on the ballot there. And for MI, he dug his own grave there and took his name off the ballot. He can't have half of Hillary's votes! He didn't EARN them.

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    Daschle (none / 0) (#146)
    by Monda on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:05:41 PM EST
    That is not right.  Obama ran adds in FL and lost.  In MI nobody forced him to take the name off the ballot.  Why split them 50-50?  Is it about the will of the people, their votes, or the will of party "leaders"?

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    Now Bennet (none / 0) (#122)
    by Lil on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:54:57 PM EST
    makes it sound hopeless for HRC after tonight.

    In spite of what Rush says... (none / 0) (#129)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:56:51 PM EST
    ...Republicans are now champing at the bit to run against Obama.

    Thus they're now united with the pro-Obama press, fulfilling BTD's prophecy. sigh

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    i agree floridaresident (none / 0) (#125)
    by cpinva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:55:30 PM EST
    the worst part about that is that neither of them would win NC in nov. in a sense, the entire NC dem primary is merely an exercise in false hope.

    new thread up for results (none / 0) (#148)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:06:19 PM EST
    here, let's close this one.

    Obama doesn't have a chance (none / 0) (#152)
    by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:17:18 PM EST
    of winning in November. Accept that fact now and you'll be happier come the November election. Accept it. Obama will lose HUGE in November. He's lost the white working class, the seniors, the Catholics, and the women. He has no one left to vote for him except the college educated and AA. THAT will not win an election in November.

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