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    McCain didn't even have... (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by deleg8 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:40:03 AM EST
    ...the cajones to look Obama in the eye. No, McCain is too much like Bush. He would simply be more  thoughtless petulance. Obama was the only candidate on that stage that came off as presidential.

    McCain is the military version (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Jjc2008 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:45:35 AM EST
    of the "entitled" frat boy.  Women my age KNOW W....we met the W types and the McCain types in the 60s.  Our college, a state school, was close to an all boys private college.  Many of them were rich boys from TX.  They used to call for girls to go to their frat parties.  I went when I was a freshman.  Most of women went as freshman and outgrew them by our sophomore years.  

    McCain types were there too....it's an attitude.  Arrogant, looking down their noses at women, at poor working people.

    Watching McCain last night was deja vu.

    So sick of them....and I am sick of the "but he's a hero" banter crap.  There were a lot of heroes telling the truth back then about how we were lied into that war too.  

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    don't forget McCain's philandering. (none / 0) (#3)
    by coigue on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:57:25 AM EST


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    My guess (none / 0) (#24)
    by Pianobuff on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:26:52 AM EST
    McCain looking straight ahead was a pre-conceived debate tactic, much like Obama's referring to him as "John".... thought out in advance.

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    Paul Newman, RIP (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by scribe on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:02:25 AM EST
    It's moving across the wires now.

    He will be missed.

    Sad if true, but... (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by EL seattle on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:09:47 AM EST
    ...I'd prefer to think that he's escaped to Bolivia.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jjc2008 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:50:17 AM EST
    Sigh.   This has got me all nostalgic for my youth.
    One of my Aunts, long dead having died in her early 60s, LOVED Paul and he became fondly know in our family as "Paul baby" .....

    He was one great actor and humanitarian.  

    I have never been sure of which is my favorite of the Newman/Redford Classics: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid or The Sting.

    Then Paul had so many other great movies.  A class act and a cool guy.  Hope he enjoys Bolivia.

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    Cool Hand Luke (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by coigue on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:14:02 AM EST


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    Hell yeah.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:44:29 AM EST
    "Eat 'dem eggs Luke!"

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    "I don't care if it rains (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by tootired on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:11:57 AM EST
    or freezes long as I have my plastic Jesus sittin' on the dashboard of my car." Coolhand Luke was one cool guy. My best friend's son visited the Hole in the Wall Camp when he was battling leukemia. When he came home, he kept singing that song. Newman has left quite a legacy.

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    He was an example for all (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:33:24 AM EST
    I can't think of any celebrity I would say that about other than him.

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    Oh man (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:34:27 AM EST
    What a guy!  No other like him.

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    Time for a memorial dinner (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Radiowalla on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:47:32 AM EST
    filled with Newman's Own products!

    He was such a gift to humanity.  Thanks, Paul.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by andgarden on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:48:22 AM EST
    Popcorn and lemonade for everyone!

    RIP Paul.

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    Salsa and chips! (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by themomcat on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:07:50 AM EST


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    And don't forget.. (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:15:22 AM EST
    Fifty hard boiled eggs

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    cranberry walnut lite salad dressing (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:34:37 PM EST
    raspberry walnut is good too.

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    Lots of Newman quotes (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:18:29 PM EST
    in the bio section of imbd, including, it's hard to take yourself too seriously after your face is on a salad dressing.

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    The Long Hot Summer and ... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by santarita on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:00:27 AM EST
    From the Terrace -

    Two of the finest movies ever made.

    Great Actor and Great Human Being

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    Clara Varner woke up smiling for 50 years (none / 0) (#31)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:40:40 AM EST
    Well, I can see you don't like me, but you're gonna have me.
     It's gonna be you and me.
    Not the longest day I live. -
    "Yes, sir They're gonna say, "There goes that poor old Clara Varner...  "whose father married her off to a dirt-scratchin', shiftless...no-good farmer who just happened by." Well, let 'em talk. I'll tell you one thing. You gonna wake up in the mornin' smilin'.

    That's not enough.  Do you understand me? That is not nearly enough. Mr. Quick, I am a human being. Do you know what that means? It means I set a price on myself, a high, high price.
    You may be surprised to know it..  but I've got quite a lot to give. I've got things I have been savin' up my whole life... things like love and understanding and... and jokes and good times and good cooking.  I'm prepared to be the queen of Sheba for some lucky man... or at the very least, the best wife that any man could hope for. Now, that's my human history... and it's not gonna be bought and sold... and it's certainly not gonna be given away to any passin' stranger.

    All right. Then run, lady. And you keep on runnin'! Buy yourself a bus ticket and disappear. Change your name, dye your hair, get lost! And then maybe... just maybe... you're gonna be safe from me.



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    What a Team... (none / 0) (#33)
    by santarita on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:55:47 AM EST
    Woodward and Newman.

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    Blessed Be (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by themomcat on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:06:17 AM EST
    He will be truly missed. But what a Legacy, his charitable work most of all.
    May the Goddess guide him on his journey to the Summerlands. May his family, friends and everyone who has been touched by this man's charity and art, find Peace.


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    Oh No. (none / 0) (#5)
    by coigue on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:06:11 AM EST
    How sad.

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    Very sad (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:07:20 AM EST
    I have so much respect and admiration for Paul Newman and his wife that I once had a dream they were my adopted parents.  I wish his family peace this morning.

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    About the bailout/rescue plan.... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by EL seattle on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:44:23 AM EST
    Since Friday the 19th, have any complete "working versions" of the plan been released to the public? Something similar to this?

    I've seen media reports that talk about what sort of details the developing plan contains (one day to the next), but I've never seen a link or the complete text of the document as it's evolved over the past several days.

    Maybe I've missed something?  (That would be easy enough, I admit.)  

    If anyone's interested... (none / 0) (#56)
    by EL seattle on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:44:07 PM EST
    ...(who's still checking this thread)...

    I found some of what I was looking for on THIS SITE.  I guess I'll have to do some reading now.

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    Thanks, EL (none / 0) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 07:44:18 PM EST
    Beyond me to follow this stuff in its raw form.  If you can make sense of it, please tell us what you think.  It sounds like it's all still pretty volatile at this point, though, so I'm not sure how much the various intermediate steps really tell us.

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    myfriends virus ALERT! (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Xclusionary Rule 4ever on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:45:06 AM EST
    WARNING: SECURITY THREAT: RED ALERT:

    This is to advise you to beware of the "myfriends" virus.  It destroys legitimate data and replaces it with false information.  Once exposed to the "myfriends" virus, all data following the words "my friends" becomes inaccurate.  First thought to be a worm, it is actually a dangerous trojan horse.   If it gets into Office, the highly destructive W-bush virus is released.    If allowed to take hold, the virus stays in the system for four years, possibly eight. Although the virus is incapable of sending an email, if you let it take over, you'll be living on SPAM for four more years.

    While it is believed that this threat may die off on its own before four years is over, there are rumors of a much worse virus that would emerge upon the death of "myfriends" called "moosehunter".  Very little is known about moosehunter, because it makes your computer crash every time you type in a question.

    Proceed with extreme caution.

    Go Gators (none / 0) (#11)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:37:07 AM EST
    As an alumni I think this is one issue we will agree on 100% of the time.

    Time to smack Ole Miss upside the head and then watch the roll tide upset Georgia.

    Go Trojans! (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:33:12 AM EST
    Oh, wait....something happened on the road to the BCS bowl (again?)

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    USC (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:37:48 AM EST
    Is an odd team.  The only Pac 10 team I respect but they always let down vs weaker teams.  Can't get out of their own way.  

    Doesn't help when you only run the ball with Joe Mcknight 7 times and then run gimmicky plays with direct snaps.  They miss Norm Chow BADLY.

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    True, or you (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:42:23 AM EST
    could go straight for the (sorta) cheap shot--they are too close to Hollywood....

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    I think its that stupid horse. (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:20:40 PM EST


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    God we blew chunks (none / 0) (#50)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 03:06:03 PM EST
    What brutal play calling, protecting the ball and a blocked kick?  Come on.   Ole Miss had a very nice active defensive front but still.

    Dan Mullen has to go.

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    Big Ten season starts today! (none / 0) (#12)
    by Steve M on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:44:19 AM EST
    The eyes of the country will be focused nowhere else.  Remember, we have the most swing states.

    And today it's the Fighting Illini's turn (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by caseyOR on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:34:30 AM EST
    to be humiliated on national TV by Penn State. I still cannot figure out how Illinois did as well as they did last year.

    On the plus side, here in Oregon we are still reveling in Oregon State's defeat of USC on Thursday. Gotta love it when USC gets beat.

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    Big Ten (1.00 / 1) (#17)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:51:11 AM EST
    hahahaha, the big ten season hasn't started the past 5 years.  Absolutely not more overrated conference out there.  

    The one team I am curious about is Wisconsin though.  

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    Here's the thing (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Steve M on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:10:43 AM EST
    if everyone agrees they suck, how can they be overrated?

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    It took (none / 0) (#28)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:34:33 AM EST
    Ohio State to lose to USC before people finally admitted the conference is poor.  No other excuse or Ohio State to be in the title game the past 2 years and get TROUNCED and then still be ranked so high this year.  

    Now we are going to hear about Penn State being a powerhouse because Oregon State beat USC after getting whooped up by Penn State.  Argh.

    I sure hope this is the last we hear of the Big 10 and Pac 10 being good conferences for awhile.  

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    Dream on! (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:08:09 PM EST
    Everyone knows that elitist, terrorist coddling, welfare loving, godless liberals like yourself like to trash teh Heartland because they are true, patriotic Americans who hold in their hearts and minds true American values and morals.

    Make no mistake, my friend--teh Heartland is the backbone, the heart and soul, the very essense of America.  The fine young men and women of the Big Ten (plus one) reflect this with their performance on the field and in their everyday contribution to making this the greatest country on Earth.

    /wingnut'd
    //Go Hawks!

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    Funny. (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:22:40 PM EST


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    You couldn't be more wrong (none / 0) (#49)
    by Makarov on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 02:33:58 PM EST
    about Penn State. I've been watching them and going to games since 1985, and this year is the best team since Kerry Collins et al in the 90s. It's probably better than the '86 national championship team (although probably not on defense).

    Granted, OSU and Michigan are definitely fielding poor teams this year. That said, watch Penn State. Before you criticize Big 10 schedules too much, let's talk about the SEC and Troy University.

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    I'm kind of excited (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by lilburro on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:57:43 PM EST
    PSU is doing so well this year.  I just got out of college, and for me it was too weird to cheer for PSU while not actually attending the school (and being disgusted by the behavior of our atheletes...but that's another story).  I used to cheer for PSU when I was younger though [Kerry Collins days].  Good to see them on top again...even though I didn't cheer for them the past few years like I used to, I still hated Michigan and Ohio State!  

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    But, it wasn't a criticism of Big 10 (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:25:25 PM EST
    schedules.  Oh, nevermind.  Wisconsin appears to be soundly beating Michigan.  

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    Heck of a comeback... (none / 0) (#57)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 06:06:10 PM EST
    ...and a heck of a game.  

    Big win for Michigan.

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    I didn't realize U of M managed (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM EST
    to win.  Great.  

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    Not so great (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by TChris on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 07:03:44 PM EST
    for Badgers fans.  They managed to blow a nice lead and then got a penalty to take away the 2 point conversion that would have tied the game.

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    I'd feel sorry for Wisconsin if (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 07:11:07 PM EST
    U of M hadn't been so dreadful to start the season.  

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    Go Badgers --good day for the Badgers (none / 0) (#42)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:27:48 PM EST
    And in a few years, we will be promoting the candidacy of someone who said they won't vote for the bailout..arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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    And I'm stuck... (none / 0) (#40)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:12:47 PM EST
    ...watching MSU blow-out Indiana?  That just doesn't seem right.  I know it makes you happy, but it just makes me sleepy.

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    I sure wish (none / 0) (#44)
    by Steve M on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:42:16 PM EST
    this game were a blowout.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#46)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 01:23:52 PM EST
    ...it has turned into quite the shoot-out after that blocked punt.  Must have jinxed you--sorry about that!

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    You know how it is (none / 0) (#47)
    by Steve M on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 01:31:23 PM EST
    conference games on the road, never easy... even for USC!

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    Home games aren't easy either... (none / 0) (#48)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 01:54:23 PM EST
    ...apparently--since Iowa has turned the ball over 5 times at home and is unsurprisingly losing to NW.  Right now, I'm kind of glad that game isn't on here.  

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    That would be a great game (none / 0) (#29)
    by TheRizzo on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:36:07 AM EST
    Would love to see it in Atlanta as well.  Would be a ton of fun, and beating Saben would make my day!

    Julio Jones is SICKKKKKKK though. He was the only recruit I wanted last year.

    Iran and Rhinoplasty (none / 0) (#34)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:16:18 AM EST
    Just watched a strangely interesting documentary called "Nose, Iranian Style", which takes a look at the culture of nosejobs in Iran -- a nation, oddly enough, that leads the world in these procedures.

    Who'da thunkit?  (And more food for the severely lacking table of real discussion about a nation we constantly get wrong.  Different food, to be sure, but still intellectually edible.)  

    Obama 50 McCain 45 Rasmusen 700 VA likely voters (none / 0) (#37)
    by robrecht on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:54:02 AM EST


    Well! Harry Reid IS quite the crafty politician! (none / 0) (#38)
    by jawbone on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:55:16 AM EST
    First, you lure the opponent back to Washington, then you lambaste him for doing so--neat trick!

    Video of Reid saying McCain must be on board with bailoout bill, bring Repubs along with him.

    Said the spider to the fly!

    Heh, wish Reid had been more crafty about protecting our privacy rights and civil liberties with, oh, FISA.

    polls (none / 0) (#41)
    by connecticut yankee on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:25:12 PM EST
    New Gallup, Obama by 5 (49-44)
    New Rasmussen, OBama by 6 (50-44)?

    So Obama had the big-mo going into the debates.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 01:01:47 PM EST
    And PPP hints that Obama is ahead in FL today.

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    Go Ole Miss!! (none / 0) (#51)
    by TChris on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 03:11:59 PM EST


    Mean of you TChris, but lol. Poor BTD. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Teresa on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:49:12 PM EST
    That was one of the most awesome endings I've seen in a while. Block an extra point and then stop Tebow on fourth and just a little to win the game.

    As for me, my Vols are the ones who really stink. Our defense gives up only one first down in the second half and the offense gets the ball four times inside the Auburn 40 and can't get enough yards for a field goal. This is the year Phil Fulmer will lose his job. I need a new hobby.

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    Blech!!! (none / 0) (#65)
    by Amiss on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:45:06 AM EST
    N/T

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    Rutgers finally won. (none / 0) (#59)
    by snstara on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 06:16:38 PM EST
    38-0, against Morgan State. So, at the end of September, they're 1-3.

    There's things I could say about this season - and the extremely stupid idea of funding a stadium given the money woes of NJ - but just for today:

    Go Scarlet Knights!!!

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