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    BTD, you said you want crime news? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:12:01 PM EST
    I would have thought yesterday's Star Jones comment that Polanski was able to frolic in France for 30 years after his conviction was because he's a (dirty) white boy would have been right up your alley.

    A crime and race two-fer.

    Oh, and today's reports tell us the 'depressed' Polanski is apparently chipper enough to work on editing his latest movie "Ghosts" from prison.

    Does he have internet connection in there? If so, I wonder if googling his name has led him here to TL...

    Ha. But, you are encroaching on my (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:15:17 PM EST
    beat!  Did you read the comments to the Polanski story in LAT?

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    I had never thought of it that way either (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:20:44 PM EST
    If Polanski were black or of any other ethnicity other than dirty white boy I don't think for one minute he'd have been freewheeling around Europe.

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    Well, if he had been anyone else besides (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:26:52 PM EST
    Roman Polanksi (or any other famous and infamous rich dude with a French passport) I don't think for one minute he'd have been freewheeling around Europe, regardless of race...


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    So you think the French would have gone (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:28:29 PM EST
    after him if he hadn't been a famous director?

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    leave the US, nor get the sweet plea deal he got, if he wasn't a famous director. Thus, no freewheeling around Europe nor any other continent.

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    Interesting that in the change of plea (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37:43 PM EST
    transcript there was no mention of requiring Polanski to surrender any and all passports.  Of course, the court did permit him to go to Tahiti to film.  So he went to Munich too.  Technicality.

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    If he weren't white I don't see him getting (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:44:27 PM EST
    out of the U.S. either.  And I wonder if the U.S. would have been more fervent about bringing him back if he weren't a white dude.

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    Nah, I disagree. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:53:36 PM EST
    Money, being a 'prominent personality' and having a French passport, imo.

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    Definately a dirty RICH white boy (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:19:25 PM EST
    with plenty of connections.

    But as Starr prbobly knows well by now, class and power structure analysis are no-nos on the major networks.

    Make the story about racial tensions and "black and white anger" and not about a guy who has the dream team working for him and how that came about.

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    According to news reports when Polanski (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41:39 PM EST
    was arrested in Switzerland, France will not extradite any French citizen.

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    He had left France though (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:45:32 PM EST
    previously, hadn't he?  I confess I'm no expert on Polanski :)

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    Come on. Catch up. You too can waste (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:47:35 PM EST
    innumberable hours on Polanski trivia.  Yes, he had left France previously.  Was shooting a film in Germany but frequently did so "off site."  Owned a ski chalet in Gstaad, Switzerland, and had visited it in the past.  But this time the film festival publicized he was getting an award and when he would be arriving.  

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    I see (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:54:51 PM EST
    Finally it was easier to get done :)  That is pretty sad in a way.  I would have thought that if they had wanted him it would have been more of a priority in the past.  But I realize that they too have budgets they must work within.

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    iow, due to the publicity of the award (none / 0) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:56:49 PM EST
    (lifetime achievement, don'tcha know) the Swiss gvt knew, and could not deny that they knew, that Polanski was in their country...

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    If the victim was black (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:54:11 PM EST
    no one would have done anything back then or now.  

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    You are discounting Al Sharpton's (none / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:33:15 PM EST
    bully pulpit.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:22:54 PM EST
    Why? I don't know that about the Europeans.

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    I don't know if he would have even (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27:42 PM EST
    been able to leave the U.S. to make it to Europe.

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    I'd say he'd have had more difficulty (none / 0) (#10)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:31:45 PM EST
    getting out of the U.S. than getting into Europe. Why do you think the French have a problem with blacks, though? They don't. I don't know of any European country that does.


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    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by CST on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:40:03 PM EST
    Define "problem".

    There is certainly prejudice in Europe.  Especially if you are an immigrant, many of whom come from Africa.

    Although this whole thing reminds me of a conversation I heard between a black friend of mine (American) and his uncle (British).  My friend thought England was less racist, his uncle thought the U.S. was.  I think there is a bit of "the grass is always greener" going on here.

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    Look, you may not know this (3.50 / 2) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:42:21 PM EST
    but Inspector Gadget knows everything about cultures outside of the United States.  You have been informed.

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    Not going to get into a (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:55:43 PM EST
    spitting contest with you, Tracy. I have many European friends from the years we lived overseas and have my opinion. Just like you do about the military.


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    I know (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:09:49 PM EST
    It's okay..we don't need to spit.  But I wasn't indicating that anyone was racist.  I really don't know if/who/where/or when parts of Europe are racist.  What I do know is the U.S. has a great deal of racism within it.

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    I think you stayed up too late last night! (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:44:36 PM EST
    Probably (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:46:49 PM EST
    I didn't say that did I? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:32:47 PM EST
    You're right....Star Jones specifically said (none / 0) (#15)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37:02 PM EST
    France. You said Europe.

    If Polanski were black or of any other ethnicity other than dirty white boy I don't think for one minute he'd have been freewheeling around Europe.



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    I said that sentence (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41:21 PM EST
    but used the word Europe instead huh?

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    $$$ plus French and Polish citizenship (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:32:56 PM EST
    and up-to-date non-U.S. passport.  

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    Nope. Heading back there right now... (none / 0) (#3)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:16:29 PM EST
    Found this as well: (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:28:44 PM EST
    Robert Harris, Polanski's longtime friend and author of the screenplay for the director's upcoming film "The Ghost," said Tuesday at The Times Cheltenham Literature Festival that Polanski is still making decisions regarding the movie, including its score, so the film should premiere as planned this February at the Berlin Film Festival.

    "He can make his wishes known from his cell. I don't think he can make phone calls, but he can communicate. What people think of the film is another matter," The Times of London quoted Harris as saying. "Whether the film can rise above the circumstances in which the director now finds himself I don't know. We will test to the upper limits the notion that there's no such thing as bad publicity."

    Ya think?

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    I envision Polanski's visitors bringing him (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:35:15 PM EST
    snippets of the musical score--is he permitted an Ipod?  He reviews and edits (does he read music?) and returns edited version to next visitor. Or he has an editing computer with him.  

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    Probably so, or close enough. (none / 0) (#17)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:39:23 PM EST
    Polanski is said to have recently given instructions about the film's score to Alexandre Desplat, the French composer who was Oscar-nominated last year for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

    Harris told the Times that The Ghost would be completed in accordance with Polanski's wishes.

    The director had finished editing the film, which stars Pierce Brosnan as a British prime minister accused of war crimes, on the day of his arrest, according to the report.



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    Polanski finished editing the film (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43:19 PM EST
    the day he was arrested?  Is he psychic?  Did the Swiss wait to arrest him due to his artistry?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Self imposed deadline? (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:10:54 PM EST
    Get the task done so he can party it up with a clear conscience at his fete in Switzerland? The ironies abound...

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    She might have a point.... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:48:34 PM EST
    I could kinda see us sending in Delta Force to pick-up R. Kelly if he tried to get outta Dodge.

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    Dunno. (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:02:57 PM EST
    Black Panther Assata Shakur, who is alleged to have murdered a NJ State Trooper, has been traipsing around Cuba for the past 30 years or so w/o any Delta Force or any other kind of pick-up...

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    Cuba though... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:08:15 PM EST
    is a different animal than France and Switzerland...if Roman went to Cuba he'd be cageless right now.  Though he wouldn't have had the pleasure of years in the lap of luxury.

    If Shakur had fled to Europe I'd bet she'd be in an American prison right now.

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    I think Polanski would have (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:17:53 PM EST
    enjoyed a life of luxury in Cuba.  Afterall, he would have been thumbing his nose at the U.S.  

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    Which country's sovereignty (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:19:47 PM EST
    do you think the US would more likely ignore to arrest a fugitive, our close ally France, or Castro's Cuba?

    Which crime was more, I don't know, severe, thus leading to more interest in the fugitive's apprehension?

    No, I do not buy the argument that a black fugitive, because of his race, would have been 'Delta Forced' or whatever, but becuase Polanski is white, he was not.

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    I would say (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:25:34 PM EST
    it is a virtual given that the CIA has far more extensive operations within the countries we enjoy diplomatic relations with, as opposed to those where we do not.

    The Delta Force is, of course, a non sequitur unless the fugitive's name is Manuel Noriega.  But with Polanski, there's reason to believe not just that we didn't send the Delta Force, but that the authorities didn't try very hard to get Polanski back even through legal channels.

    I mean, the prosecutor's office claims today that they tried really really hard for years and years but they just couldn't nail the guy down.  They say that because they have to say that.  But let's live in the real world for a moment: the guy was scheduled to get a sweetheart plea bargain - maybe a sentence of time served.  How many millions of dollars does LA County want to spend to make sure a guy spends a couple weeks in jail?  I find it very likely that they never really tried very hard to pursue extradition.

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    I agree w/your take but point out LA County (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:29:37 PM EST
    had a warrant out to Interpol through out the years Polanski was on the lam from sentencing.

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    Sounds reasonable to me, (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:30:14 PM EST
    nothing to do with race.

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    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:34:02 PM EST
    rich celebrity priveledge seems more likely than white priveledge.

    I don't think we'd risk a big international incident by invading Cuba's sovereignty though..we'd more likey invade France's, imo...and smooth it over after the fact.  Kinda like the CIA did kidnapping that cat in Italy that caused a stink awhile back.

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    Maybe so, maybe so... (none / 0) (#61)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:46:10 PM EST
    Plus (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:57:39 PM EST
    Black Panther vs the police stuff always opens a very smelly, racially charged (this time for real), can of worms.

    All that cointelpro stuff that came out vis a vis the Govt vs the Black Panthers only muddys the waters further.

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    Forget Polanski... (5.00 / 7) (#29)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:51:35 PM EST
    ...I want to know what the heck BTD did to TChris!  Is the poor man tied up in a closet (or worse)?  Was there a pay-off for control of the blog whilst JEM is away?

    Inquiring minds what to know, dagnabbit.

    The good man... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:56:25 PM EST
    is probably busy making a prosecutor's professional life miserable, sun god bless him!

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    I suspect foul play... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:59:36 PM EST
    ...given the TChris has much more knowledge and expertese in the area of Big Ten football than a certain someone.  

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    Hmmmm, I'm getting old (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:10:46 PM EST
    where is TChris?

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    tchris sometimes contributes to front page (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:22:33 PM EST
    of TL.  People get upset when he defends child pornographers and such.  

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    He's a cheesehead... (none / 0) (#58)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:41:36 PM EST
    ...resides in Madison, WI if I recall correctly.

    Where BTD has him locked up is a whole 'nother question altogether.

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    Ethan from new Orleans also (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:21:45 PM EST
    They have both been disappeared. Was it something we said?

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    Russia responds (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:20:57 PM EST
    ROMAN POLANSKI update: (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:27:50 PM EST
    NYT

    I am very, very impressed Mr. Polanski will agree to house arrest in his villa in Switzerland.  And even an electronic ankle monitor.

    Indeed, (none / 0) (#89)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:16:38 PM EST
    Here's a picture of the hovel he would agree to suffer w/in.

    Now THAT'S repentant.

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    Who realized the insurance companies (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:07:54 PM EST
    have an anti-trust exemption?  What a great hammer re HCR.  

    I had no idea... (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:11:58 PM EST
    till recently...thought that was just for MLB.

    Don't expect that hammer to be used unless insurance company ceo's start taking performance enhancing drugs though...thats a high-priority.

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    Making employer provided (none / 0) (#103)
    by Samuel on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:30:02 PM EST
    benefits tax deductible (which prevents customer feedback, allows for collusion) and requiring separate licensure per-state foster a cartel system.  Notice that cartels only arise in sectors with heavy regulation (banking, health insurance).  

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    Cartels arise... (none / 0) (#111)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:01:39 PM EST
    in another sector I know, the black market...no regulation.

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    What's an example (none / 0) (#130)
    by Samuel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 09:11:12 AM EST
    of a nationwide black market cartel system that's actually enforceable?  Are you saying that drug dealers engage in price fixing over large geographical regions?  How do they know when their distributors violate the price fixing agreement?  

    Banking is a real cartel.  

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    It's a different breed of cartel... (none / 0) (#132)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:51:34 AM EST
    enforced by violence and intimidation and bribery...though the independent contractor has a much better chance of beating the black market cartels than the white collar cartels...no doubt.  It's a lot looser and somewhat easier to beat...no argument from me on who the "real" cartels are.

    Sh&t man, I'm an evangelical freedom extremist...just took note of the fact that cartels arise in over-regulated rigged markets and wild west black markets alike...could be an argument for, dare I say, moderate regulation.

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    Example please. (none / 0) (#133)
    by Samuel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:26:51 AM EST
    What was so wild about the west?  

    You're saying that without regulation private insurance companies would do what?  How do you gain a monopoly in a zero regulatory environment where the service you provide is insurance?  Anyone with a bank roll can open up shop and we know its profitable so people will open up shop.  They just don't know cause it's too regulated.

    Yea people sign contracts.  If those contracts are not honored then the issuer will have difficulty getting new customers.

    I challenge you to find a strong historical example of a cartel arising and maintaining itself on a large scale without government assistance in the form of "Regulation".  

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    Al Capone... (none / 0) (#134)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38:29 AM EST
    sure had a booze cartel going in the 30's...

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    Ok Constitution Lover (none / 0) (#135)
    by Samuel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:12:37 PM EST
    Which is the same as humping a bible as far as I'm concerned.  What made that possible?

    Prohibition? The Mafia only exists in vaccuums left by government regulation.  They are only violent because the governmetn has defined their activities as "illegal" and will initiate violence against them.  

    You may think I'm cheating cause the mafia itself is a violent organization seperate from the government.  To that I would say that they simply would not exist if it was not for the violence of the government.  If no government was in place and the mafia went around demand "protection money", well we'd just call those property taxes and them the governmetn.  

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    We all gotta hump something:).... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:36:14 PM EST
    We're talking and not arguing right Sam?  Just checking:)

    All I can say is collusion, market rigging, taking through use of force...these things predate government and the mafia, they are as old as mankind itself.  My default position is the less strings the better, the more free the better...but I'm not so bold to say my utopia wouldn't turn dystopic as fast as the central-planner's utopia...I just don't know.

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    So (none / 0) (#138)
    by Samuel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:58:00 PM EST
    why do we need health insurance regulation from the government?  I cannot conceive of a way, discounting violence, that health insurance can become a monopoly or cartel - it requires minimal infrastructure, basically just cash.  

    Sorry - I loathe Constitutionalists, nothing personal.  Ye Olde White Guys were crooks that wanted the mafia powers of England for themselves.  TJ for example, if he wasn't full of it, probably would have resigned after abusing his presedential power to send ships to the mideast without congressional approval. The whole point of that document was that a system to grant and maintained fixed power was possible.

    Another way to say it is that at least progressives think they're somehow different than other centrally planned economies and in that way can delude themselves into thinking they're the first to take the magic wand approach.  Constitutionalists exist in the living experiment of the Constitution surrounded by it's massive failure (small controlled gov to largest empire in worlds history).  

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    The market in it's inherent (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 05:27:03 PM EST
    next-to-Godliness unregulated purity will self-correct any possible abuses of power. Interesting that the same human nature that can do no right in a governance function, can be magically transformed by becoming part of a "free market".

    If this isnt another kind of fundamentalism, I dont know what is. No wonder when the chips are down the Libertarians and the Religious Reich always seem to wind up in the same coalition.

     

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    Jeez. (none / 0) (#141)
    by Samuel on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:59:34 AM EST
    Government is defined as a group of individuals who hold both the legal and moral "right" to initiate violence over all others in a fixed geographical location.  Government = Violence.  The only tool it has is violence.  

    I'm not saying free markets will give us wings.  I'm saying that we currently have a system in which all participants believe that members of government have moral powers beyond that of citizens allowing them to act violently towards other people (ie a murderer is a murderer no matter what costume or flag he wears).

    A free market simply means a market in which violence is not utilized to resolve disputes.  

    There are plenty of different approaches in biology, anthropology, economics that show voluntarism as the more efficient choice.  Hell, its true in our personal relationships.  

    So thats basically it, not really about fundamentalism or what have you.  And seriously, believing that some super smart group of people can be given a host of super-normal powers (tax, murder, kidnap) and they will have both the will and ability to manage millions of people to the betterment of their lives and no penalty for abusing their power and say killing innocent people.  Dude thats so f'ing religious my stomach hurts.  

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    Well I'm no Constitutionalist... (none / 0) (#140)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 05:35:02 PM EST
    though I do admire much of the document...yeah it did establish a new protection racket to replace another, but it did spell out individual rights like never before...radical sh*t at the time and worthy of admiration and thanks.  Ye olde whitemen could have done a lot worse.

    All I am is confused really...and intrigued by what Emma Goldman was on about...no tsar, no president, no king.  Answers I don't have.

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    Looking at it for what it is. (none / 0) (#142)
    by Samuel on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:06:19 AM EST
    The document achieved the exact opposite of its intent. Largest empire in history.  Many of the rights it had established have been taken away.  A constitution cannot contain the powers of a small group given the right to initiate violence.  I mean if I made a cure for cancer that worked for like 1 day then after that accelerated the cancer growth dramatically it wouldn't be heralded for much.  

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    Another crime story (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:33:48 PM EST
    A suspected child rapist has been identified almost 20 years after the fact and was arrested on Tuesday, based on a very small sample of DNA.  

    Great job by the police in retaining the little bit of DNA, especially as this man committed a similar crime, and good for the alleged victim who never gave up hope that this monster would be caught.  

    Hope he never sees the light of day again.

    My daughter does not want anything serious.  But he does, and you probably don't give up on what you want easily if you got into West Point and then graduated.  But he was texting her that she was ignoring him.  She texted back that she has a life.  He then texted that he has not ever worked this hard for any relationship in his life and oddly enough it was for only friendship.  She texted him that she does not have time for whiners.  And at this point I don't think she should reconcile with husband.  Even her father said that not enough time had passed for anyone to have grown out of and beyond the dysfunctions, and nobody had even made a conscious effort to do so.  He has done nothing personally and she is pretty busy with Zoey and baby due in two weeks.  I'm so glad that I'm personally beyond all this for the time being.  My Aunt has rejoined the dating pool.  She tells me horror stories and then I tell her that nothing has changed since I was there.  I was there for a good long while.  Pregnant women are nothing to mess with though and I feel a little sorry for West Point tonight.

    Youth is wasted on the young. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 07:26:16 PM EST
    Heh (none / 0) (#129)
    by CST on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 08:49:56 AM EST
    Pretty pathetic he has to confine his efforts (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 09:43:09 PM EST
    to text messages.  Should probably tell him something.

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    Arianna now says that if Obama (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:39:17 PM EST
    escalates (and I'm assuming that's a frontdoor escalation and not a backdoor escalation) that Joe Biden must resign in protest.

    General Huffington then took a moment from her special ops duties and covert information collection to say this

    Though it would be a crowning moment in a distinguished career, such an act of courage would likely be only the beginning. Biden would then become the natural leader of the movement to wind down this disastrous war and focus on the real dangers in Pakistan.

    Ummmmmm.........Hmmmmmmm?

    She read the NYT yesterday. Its all there. (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 09:44:01 PM EST
    She does realize that we do have (none / 0) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 10:08:55 PM EST
    an appropriate troop presence given Pakistan's sovereignty, existing government, and standing army?  She does realize that we are working with Pakistan daily on our shared Taliban/Al Qaeda problem?  No, she probably doesn't because Joe Biden probably doesn't either.  Arianna would rather 'Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Taliban' and everyone else in their general vicinity.

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    She is not happy Sen. Snowe is (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 10:30:02 AM EST
    dominating the news these days.

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    A tragic tale all around... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:53:30 PM EST
    remember the cop who committed suicide over the tragic tasering death of a mentally ill man in the Bronx?  His widow is suing the NYPD for causing the anguish that led to the suicide.  Link

    We had a kennel club meeting last night (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:20:24 PM EST
    and my fellow club members were talking about the 72 year old woman who wouldn't sign her ticket and got tased. Everyone at the table was laughing about how she deserved it.  I had one question though....what if she is in the early stages of alzheimers or dementia because both conditions can cause certain sufferers to be "difficult" people.  Then I started talking about the video of those three huge fat obese slobby BuBus tasing one skinny totally stoned person and standing around.  I said that tasers are now substitutes for a physically fit police officer who is able to do his/her job, and the members of my club told me that sometimes police officers look fat with their flack jacket on.  Check out the donut flack jackets on these guys.

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    I so can't stand that sentiment... (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:42:39 PM EST
    and I hear it all the time too.

    Everyone at the table was laughing about how she deserved it

    I just wanna smack 'em upside the head a few times and tell 'em how they deserve it...since we're playing god and all.

    Scared to play that video now at work with p*nis so prominently mentioned...I'll check it out later pal.

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    god, me too (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:24:00 PM EST
    I hear it all the time around work. Wonder what they would say if it ever happened to one of them? Would they be mad, or think they deserved it? Is the police state mentality that far ingrained?

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    Ingrained to the core... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:27:35 PM EST
    it never ceases to amaze me what people will trade for a false sense of security and order.  I'll never understand...never.

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    Speaking of fugitives and Cuba... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    one of the hijackers from way back when that fled to Cuba volunteered to come back and face the music.  Sounds like he got tired of working in the fields.  Link


    Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:16:38 PM EST
    Question: why are we giving our nine-year-old a marijuana cookie?

    Answer: because he can't figure out how to use a bong.

    Pre-pot, J. ate things that weren't food... His pica become so uncontrollable we couldn't let him sleep with a pajama top (it would be gone by morning) or a pillow (ditto the case and the stuffing)... The worst part was watching him scream in pain on the toilet, when what went in had to come out... Almost immediately after we started the cannabis, the pica stopped. Just stopped. J. now sleeps with his organic wool-and-cotton, hypoallergenic, temptingly chewable comforter.

    Next, we started seeing changes in J.'s school reports... An aggression is defined as any attempt or instance of hitting, kicking, biting, or pinching another person. For the past year, he'd consistently had 30 to 50 aggressions in a school day, with a one-time high of 300. The charts for June through July, by contrast, showed he was actually having days--sometimes one after another--with zero aggressions.



    If it works it works... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:53:37 PM EST
    and certainly healthier for the child than the pharmies.

    Just hope they're being sneaky...the state will rip the kid from their arms right quick if they get wind of it.

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    it sure works (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:58:31 PM EST
    on my aggression

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    I'm convinced... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:09:18 PM EST
    I'd be in the loony bin without it...I might belong there anyway, but its nicer out here:)

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    nicer out here:) (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:20:46 PM EST
    "The darkest souls are not those which choose to exist within the hell of the abyss, but those which choose to break free from the abyss and move silently among us."

                        - Dr Sam Loomis

    (sorry couldnt resist)

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    Which reminds me. Do cats eat natural (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:21:30 PM EST
    fiber doormats?  Neighborhood cat was gnawing on my doormat, looked at me with guilt-ridden face, and took off.  Wondered why my doormats looked so frayed so soon.  Pica?

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    Your cat (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Spamlet on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:19:23 PM EST
    might be what vets call a "wool sucker." It can happen when a kitten is weaned too soon.

    I had a cat like that. Her full name was Nancy, the Kitty from Hell. Two 8-year-old girls sold her to me for 50 cents--real money back in 1981. Had I checked out Nancy's background before adopting her as an adorable little fuzzy 8-week-old kitten, I would have discovered that Nancy's grandmother had eaten the family's living-room curtains.

    Nancy had a real genius for hunting down my favorite clothes and taking a big bite--never on a seam, of course, which might have allowed the item in question to be repaired. I know, because the first time I took a Nancified sweater in for repairs, the seamstress laughed in my face. And a vet once summed Nancy up quite succinctly: "This cat has a goddamn screw loose."

    Nancy's infamous grandmother lived to the age of 24, but Nancy only lived to the age of 11, when she died of natural causes. It's a good thing Nancy was so cute, or she might have met an even less timely end.

    At least it seems as if your neighborhood cat feels bad about this behavior. Nancy never did.

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    Our cat (none / 0) (#56)
    by eric on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:32:24 PM EST
    likes to lick plastic bags.

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    Cats are their own people (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:52:29 PM EST
    The herding dogs listen to me, the three legged cat psychically herds me.

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    Ours too! n/t. (none / 0) (#98)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:53:04 PM EST
    Could be. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:52:00 PM EST
    My dog preferred grass and his stools were proof that dogs can not digest cellulose.  

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    With behaviors like that (none / 0) (#62)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:50:43 PM EST
    I'd be tempted to drug my kid as well!

    Where does this fall on the "Drugging our children" debate?

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    Me too (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:54:11 PM EST
    a leaf would fall into his chocolate chip.  It can't be any worse than what they are prescribing some kids.

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    I just don't want (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:55:02 PM EST
    people to start self medicating their kids.  

    This was an extreme case - clearly a child with developmental disabilities and seemingly intractable problems - not a normal kid.

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    I doubt they could (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:22:26 PM EST
    do worse than that Big Pharm marketing campaign targeting kids that started in the ninties.

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    Not the kids (none / 0) (#116)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:36:12 PM EST
    their parents.

    I found it amusing when I had babies to see how much marketing targets parents of newborns.  When I realized how effective the marketing was, I went from amused to dismayed.

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    ever dream about (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:22:39 PM EST
    the dancing dwarf from Twin Peaks?

    you are not alone.

    In 2000, a psychiatric patient drew a picture of a man who appeared in recurring dreams. The picture was left out on the doctor's desk, where another patient recognized it from his dreams as well! With a bit of investigation, other patients who saw the same face in their dreams were found. As of now, at least 2,000 people recognize the face as one they've dreamed about.



    No. But then I never watched the show. (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:24:16 PM EST
    oh (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:32:11 PM EST
    you should definitely netflix it.

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    Before Mad Men? (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:42:16 PM EST
    I saw an episode on Delta and wondered why all the fuss.

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    never got hooked (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:52:35 PM EST
    on Mad Men.  I have enough habits.
    some day.


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    I like Mad Men (none / 0) (#77)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:24:31 PM EST
    sometimes it's good but sometimes I get caught thinking - who died and made Matthew Weiner a historian?  I don't know enough about the period to know if it is particularly accurate or meaningful.  It's just sort of a fantasy world more than anything else I think.  Plus, it's all a bunch of rich white New Yorkers for the most part.  A very limited POV for taking in the 60s.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#85)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:57:59 PM EST
    that's the part that turns me off.  Rich privileged folks can afford to be crazy, but Joe and Jane Average can't afford that kind of drama.

    (I loved The Last Action Hero - it points out that some fiction is completely unrealistic.  If we lived the life of a soap opera character, we'd probably be barely functional due to PTSD and depression.)

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    Last Action Hero is awesome. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Samuel on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:23:42 PM EST
    I want them to make a sequel were the ticket is used by Han Solo who kills real life Harrison Ford in the 90s to assume his life, thus explaining why his movies got worse but his helicopter rescue skills skyrocketed.  

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    It's a great movie. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:39:05 PM EST
    I always gave Arnie credit for taking on a more challenging role.  Pity it didn't make as much money as his usual park-your-brain-at-the-door action flicks.

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    It was similar (none / 0) (#136)
    by Samuel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:09:01 PM EST
    to who framed roger rabbit adn the frighteners in that it created a heightened sense of death.

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    its (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:07:51 PM EST
    one of our IT smartypants (none / 0) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:25:21 PM EST
    had to spoil the fun.

    I don't know what this is selling (twin peaks?) but it's guerrilla marketing
    for something.

    I say this because a whois shows that the domain is owned by an Andrea
    Natella who apparently works for GuerrigliaMarketing.it

    Domain ID:D150747616-LROR
    Domain Name:THISMAN.ORG
    Created On:25-Jan-2008 16:02:00 UTC
    Last Updated On:24-Jan-2009 12:50:16 UTC
    Expiration Date:25-Jan-2010 16:02:00 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID:tuswXI6c1yuHmCEU
    Registrant Name:Andrea Natella
    Registrant Organization:Andrea Natella
    Registrant Street1:Via dell'orso 43
    Registrant Street2:
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:ROMA
    Registrant State/Province:RM
    Registrant Postal Code:00186
    Registrant Country:IT
    Registrant Phone:+39.0668891709
    Registrant Phone Ext.:
    Registrant FAX:
    Registrant FAX Ext.:
    Registrant Email:a.natella@guerrigliamarketing.it


    whatever it is I want some.

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    This is getting serious... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:19:07 PM EST
    latest swine flu victim...beer pong.

    Did I ever mention I know half of this year's reigning World Series of Beer Pong championship team?  I sh*t you not, he's from my neighborhood...I hope the flu don't screw his golden goose, he's makin' mad bank playing a drunken degenerates game...God Bless America!

    But the winner, Ron Hamilton, 25, of Brentwood, N.Y., preferred liquor to beer, and said he got ready for Sunday's play by drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels.

    "The key today was me getting real drunk and my partner not missing, and us coming out and proving we're the best," Hamilton said shortly after winning the top prize with Michael Popielarski, 25, of Massapequa, N.Y.



    alert (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:36:42 PM EST
    U.S. Dist. Judge Vaughn Walker (N.D. Cal., GHW Bush appointee) to rule at 1 pm Pacific on the motion to dismiss the Boies/Olson federal law suit challenging Prop. 8.

    Whatever he rules, it's on the fast track to the 9th Circuit, the Court of Appeals that SCOTUS loves to overturn.

    Motion to dismiss (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:33:35 PM EST
    granted

    so i hear.  still looking for verification.

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    um, (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:36:02 PM EST
    Now KCBS headline says "Judge Dismisses Prop. 8 Challenge" but the lede says that trial is set for January.

    WTF?

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    per (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:45:05 PM EST
    twitter

    Fed judge Walker rules on lawsuit against Prop 8: motion 4 summary dismissal denied, case will go to trial in January. Still ruling...


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    The motion (none / 0) (#97)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:45:35 PM EST
    was pyt forth by those opposed to the challenge.  In other words, the judge threw out their motion to dismiss, so it makes sense the trial will go forward.

    It's a victory for SSM supporters.

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    OMG (none / 0) (#82)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:43:48 PM EST
    eyeroll

    Speaking to reporters just outside the Senate chamber this afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid scoffed at the suggestion--articulated last night by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)--that the public option is simply in his hands.

    "He would rather say anything so it wasn't up to him," Reid said, before departing for a meeting with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, and Sens. Max Baucus (D-MT) and Chris Dodd (D-CT). The four will hold the first meeting about how to shape a health care bill that will soon be introduced on the Senate floor.

    Wha?

    Uh, Harry (none / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:20:28 PM EST
    it's not up to him. You're the leader. Anytime you would like to step down from that post, we would all applaud that decision as the best you have ever made.

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    Oh no, not drilling for oil at Santa Fe Opera? (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:58:22 PM EST
    No, but SFO is the producer.

    NYT

    Awww.... (none / 0) (#95)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:44:25 PM EST
    Good-bye Cap'n Lou..  sleep well.

    That's a shame... (none / 0) (#113)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:04:21 PM EST
    off to the squared circle in the sky.

    Still can't get used to seeing WWE, it'll always be the WWF.  

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    What do you do (none / 0) (#101)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:25:42 PM EST
    with five middle schoolers, ages 13-15, that douse a classmate in rubbing alcohol and set him on fire?

    No comment. (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:03:47 AM EST
    But anywhere they have a permanent record - make sure the incident gets put there, prominently.

    Torturing animals or other people is a serious red flag for at least one psychological pathology.  I think all future employers and caretakers should be warned.

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    Juvenile court. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    The Outlook (none / 0) (#106)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:43:59 PM EST
    for their long term future does not look bright. But keep in mind, Florida does lead the nation in life terms for juveniles so they may end up with permanent housing.

    The victim will survive, taking 1st degree murder off the table. They are expecting him to spend several months in a burn unit. He was lucky enough and smart enough to find his way into a nearby pool after being set ablaze.

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    Interesting take on upcoming elections (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:26:30 PM EST
    The Hill is reporting that Dems are worried about a huge drop in black voter turnout and wonder about what it will mean for 2010:

    Democrats are bracing for a precipitous drop in black voter turnout next month and beyond.

    Alarms are being rung about just how many African-Americans will vote without President Barack Obama on the ballot, and the New Jersey and Virginia governors' races in three weeks will provide the first major test since the 2008 election.

    A recent Washington Post survey estimated the black turnout in Virginia's governor's race at 12 percent, which would be about a 40 percent drop from last year's general election. Other polling has shown both its and New Jersey's black population unmoved about the off-year election.

    The question at this point isn't so much whether black voters will turn out at 2008 levels, but how big the drop will be -- and then, whether it carries into the 2010 midterms.



    Paul Begala (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Spamlet on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:47:19 PM EST
    notoriously told Donna Brazile, "We cannot win with eggheads and African Americans." That WaPo survey must have some Democrats worrying that the party's fortunes are riding on the eggheads now.

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    Democrats should give some thought (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by tigercourse on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:54:00 PM EST
    to actually doing something to help African Americans, such as trying to improve the terrible condiditons in many of our major cities with large AA populations (Cleveland, Detroit, Newark, etc).

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    Looks like Limbaugh... (none / 0) (#109)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:54:56 PM EST
    Unprecedented reaction... (none / 0) (#114)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:08:47 PM EST
    wasn't it?  Players saying they wouldn't play for him sealed that deal.

    otoh its kinda lame in a free speech sense, the NFL is too uptight.  As is their right though.

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    Well (none / 0) (#115)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:24:43 PM EST
    you really can't having a guy own an NFL team who said the NFL looks like the Bloods and Crips, only without the weapons.  At some point your product has a reputation to protect.

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    I know he is already (none / 0) (#117)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:37:43 PM EST
    largely discredited, but maybe this incident will further isolate him and his followers.  I mean, the NYT anointed leader of the Republican Party is too racist to own a football team?  Yikes.

    Then again maybe the NFL is part of the liberal media.

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    I don't know... (none / 0) (#128)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 07:47:22 AM EST
    if they can handle Al Davis, Dan Snyder, and Jerry Jones...they can handle Rush.

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    Heh.... (none / 0) (#119)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:54:21 PM EST
    Too bad he didn't try to buy a basketball team.

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    NYT editorial reports its concern (none / 0) (#110)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:56:46 PM EST
    for "faith-based discrimination". Candidate Obama promised that groups receiving federal money would no longer be allowed to hire employees on the basis of their religion.  The idea being to prevent discrimination and preserve church/state boundaries. But, President Obama has not made good on the promise--he has left untouched a Bush-era presidential directive  authorizing religious-oriented programs that receive federal financing to hire and fire on religious grounds. Also left untouched was a curious memo by the infamous (think torture) DOJ Office of Legal Counsel that the government cannot order religious groups not to discriminate as a condition of federal funding--even in programs that outlaw such practices, e.g. Head Start. Promises, promises.

    One of the first things I read about Obama (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by tigercourse on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:02:59 PM EST
    was his condemnation of people who believed religion shouldn't have a place in political life. So, not a big surprise that he isn't really moving to keep government and religion apart.

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