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Glenn Greenwald:

Everyone is free to do whatever they want with their columns and blogs, of course, but I personally have never understood why someone would want to turn themselves into an arm of the Obama White House -- to "carry water" for the Party apparatus, using Rush Limbaugh's confessional. Barack Obama has a massive communications team already devoted to that function. They even have their own website and blog that fills that role. The DNC, DCCC, and scores of other huge, massively-funded institutions already exist to justify whatever he does, attack the GOP, and generally promote the Party and administration line. Blogs which replicate that function can't add very much.

I've always seen the unique value of political blogs as applying outside citizen pressure on Beltway institutional political power -- which now resides primarily in Barack Obama and the Democrats -- to reject or at least resist the standard Washington influences. Every well-funded institutional faction is working feverishly using every means they have -- lobbyists, money, advertising -- to pressure the Democratic Party to serve their agenda. Why shouldn't "people on the Left" do the same? Shouldn't health care activists care more about the public option than Obama's political standing? Shouldn't gay rights activists be agitating aggressively for concrete action rather than pretty speeches? Shouldn't civil libertarians be constantly protesting an administration that has stomped on their beliefs? Shouldn't anti-war activists and empire opponents be objecting to the obvious incompatibility between escalating a war and being deemed the earth's leading peace activist?

(Emphasis supplied.) Yes they should. And on Glenn's last point, even those of us who support the President's policy on Afghanistan should, through sheer intellectual honesty, understand that escalating wars, whether I think such escalation right or not, should pretty much disqualify you from consideration of a peace award.

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    Yup. Another classic. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30:56 PM EST
    No need to put icing on that cake.

    BTW...what IS the president's policy (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33:42 PM EST
    on Afghanistan, any how?

    Biden wants to know.

    It's a secret (5.00 / 11) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:34:19 PM EST
    Barack is taking my calls now.

    Parent
    Well, I see the 3-martini lunch (none / 0) (#8)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36:50 PM EST
    is still in vogue.

    Parent
    Not yet (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:38:05 PM EST
    On my way now.

    Me and Don Draper .  . .

    Parent

    Same restaurant, same city? n/t (none / 0) (#14)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:44:44 PM EST
    So, I googled "Don Draper" and this (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:11:56 PM EST
    is what turned up:

    watching-tv

    Parent

    I didn't know who Don Draper was either (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:41:19 PM EST
    I don't watch Mad Men.

    Parent
    I suppose Don Draper... (none / 0) (#87)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:58:02 PM EST
    ... is an improvement on Jack Bauer, as far as the zeitgeist goes.

    Though perhaps less than one might think.

    Parent

    Does Barack have 3 martinis for lunch too? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:39:15 PM EST
    Maybe that explains (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:44:08 PM EST
    some of his "unclear" statements?

    Parent
    That would be redundant. (5.00 / 10) (#15)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:45:29 PM EST
    Obama gets high on himself.

    Parent
    You guys are quick today (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:48:09 PM EST
    Coupla beers (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Lora on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 07:54:27 PM EST
    Conference calls? (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:59:58 PM EST
    She's serious (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:06:16 PM EST
    Lambert also wants to know! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:13:05 PM EST
    Yes. I am. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:17:28 PM EST
    I don't get how tent can support the president's policy until he knows what it is...and NOBODY, including Biden (and probably the president, himself) yet knows that.  Yet, anyway.

    Unless...he'll support whatever the president decides.  That doesn't sound like big tent and led me to think ... time to worry, if that's the case.

    I was hoping we could attribute it to too many martinis at lunch...but, no...and there's no evidence he's woozy in the mornings, so...WTF?

    Parent

    You mean the President's policy (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:28:14 PM EST
    on Afghanistan?  If so you have a point.  But I think that BTD is coming from a position of we can't walk away from this, that isn't an option, and as long as we can't walk away we will have to iron out our faulty strategies because they will be in our faces until we do.  BTD would make a good soldier though huh?  I know I don't support Biden's policy.

    Parent
    Yes...on Afghanistan... (none / 0) (#31)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:38:25 PM EST
    and yes, tent would be a 'good soldier.'  And I say that as an Army brat as well as an observer of the blog scene.

    I'm waiting for the 3000-word essay he promised us...waiting...waiting...

    Parent

    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:43:39 PM EST
    He has promised writing on Afghanistan for awhile.  Since he is one of the few voices in the left blogosphere that would consider putting such a writing up though, he's probably triple fact checking and making notes of where other bloggers will attempt to stomp his a$$.  I keep checking though for it.  He has told us it is coming :)  When he puts that up though....that's going to be an all week job tending that debate :)

    Parent
    No doubt. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:46:16 PM EST
    I'm going to take it in spurts.  I DO have a life!

    Parent
    I will submit it as soon as I can (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:54:55 PM EST
    I think BTD would make a lousy (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:02:22 PM EST
    soldier.  Too outspoken and not inclined to go with the flow just because everyone else is.  Probably doesn't take orders all that well either.

    Parent
    Wrong. He'd make a helluva (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:53:48 PM EST
    First Sargeant.  Probably do great in Army Intelligence, maybe strategic planning (we'll see).

    Doubt he's survive West Point but you never know...he made it through 1L didn't he?  (Jeez...after I read that I apologized to my kid for pushing him to go to law school).

    Parent

    He is too lazy to be enlisted (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 06:39:46 PM EST
    Whoa! Evidence? (none / 0) (#83)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:07:45 PM EST
    Or just guessing?

    Parent
    He's pampered (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:23:21 PM EST
    Meaning? Evidence? (none / 0) (#92)
    by oldpro on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:04:15 AM EST
    Jeez...I must be outta the loop.  Tent has servants?

    Help me out here, Tracy!  My guess is you're just having some fun with the whole idea.  Meanwhile, I'm thinking of all the war movies I've seen, trying to imagine which character I could slot Tent into, ethnicity aside!

    Clearly, some folks would put him in the Patton role but I'm thinkin' a little more like DeNiro's role in The Deer Hunter.

    Parent

    He isn't a Patton (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 06:25:32 AM EST
    He's too smart for a Patton.  I don't know whose uniform BTD fits into.  He always has to have a sense of logic in all of his actions though.  That peels away about 80% of the candidates right there :)  Then I have to look only at the new military because I can't see BTD being conventional unless someone was willing to listen every day to him talk about how it needed to change up.  Sometimes David Petraeus doesn't come off as intelligent, but I've come to understand that he speaks in a fashion to the masses that reaches the most people. And I don't know if BTD is that crazy about that, he doesn't have patience for people asking dumb questions :)  General McChrystal is wicked smart, yet is okay with crossing certain human rights lines under certain conditions with certain protections so nope.  General Odierno must eat only the best food off of the silver even on the battlefield.....so nope, don't see that either.  

    Parent
    Self-described "contrarian." (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 12:01:29 PM EST
    Sounds like a General hell bent on worthwhile (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:05:21 PM EST
    lawful results to me.

    Parent
    The definition of "success" (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:03:27 PM EST
    and whose doing the defining.

    I hope there's something in there about how we dissuade Pakastani pols from making coalitions with fanatics in the interests of staying in power and whipping up nationalistic fervor, the way pols in India, the ME and the U.S do.

    Parent

    "Blogs which replicate that function ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by scribe on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:45:52 PM EST
    can't add very much."

    True.

    Left unsaid:  and the people he has working for him get those mysterious things called "paychecks", unlike bloggers.

    Even the pajamaratti have dreams (5.00 / 6) (#18)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:56:19 PM EST
    of making the big time, being rewarded with a job in the Greatest Administration Ever. Kind of like a fairy tale, if that phrase can be resurrected.

    Why pay the cow (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:59:18 PM EST
    if you can get the milk for free?

    Parent
    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:06:52 PM EST
    Even Cinderella knew that much (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:59:24 PM EST
    So I guess it is not so much a fairy tale as an outright fantasy.

    Parent
    just re-read (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:05:18 PM EST
    "Darkness at Noon" this week. The eeriness of political correctness portrayed is remindful of today's sycophanitc blogs.

    Look at the dismissals of the GOP blogs--
    "reactionaries."

    We must be considered 'counterrevolutionary.' However, Rubashov's thoughts on the new generation being Neanderthal ( with his generation being the advanced monkeys).

    Good stuff, if anyone hasn't read it lately.

    Remember, Number One is always right. If we disagree, we're wrong.


    Parent

    Left out the best part: (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    and whose primary thrill is dressing up in tuxedos and going into hotel ballrooms to swoon with adoration for the President like he's a rock star.  

    Except the link doesn't show anybody dressed up in a tux and in a hotel ballroom w/the Pres.

    Here you go (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:10:23 PM EST
    Well, ok, don't know if the prez was there, and they aren't wearing tuxedos, but there were some big names here.

    Parent
    Josh Marshall showed up. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:33:10 PM EST
    Or whoever... (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:59:22 PM EST
    ... kidnapped him.

    Parent
    Glenn's post must have (5.00 / 13) (#30)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:31:00 PM EST
    Booman in the fetal position by now.

    Glenn makes excellent points - when does he not?  He's been writing more posts lately about the pernicious effects not just of blind loyalty, but of winning for its own sake, that I think have been particularly important from the big-picture perspective of who we are as a people and a nation, and where we're headed - and where it is we want to go.  I think he is truly offended by the takeover of personality trumping anything else, and the ease with which people throw their own principles under the bus in order not to be left sitting at the loser kids' table.  I mean, why be relegated to the table in the cafeteria that smells like hundred-year old food, when you can flit and flutter among the perfumed glitterati - if all it takes is leaving your soul in a box under your bed?

    Somehow, I think the collective development of a growing segment of the electorate has arrested at about the junior high/middle school level - which does not bode well for evolving and growing and learning the lessons that are right in front of us.  

    And those of us who haven't been caught up in the swoon feel more disconnected than ever and I, at least, am feeling more disaffected and less and less like there is a real place for me in any actual organized political party.  Maybe it's the "organized" part, lol, but I think it's more that I can't seem to switch off the part of my brain that wants me to continue to think for myself.

    That part of your brain is (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:42:31 PM EST
    the part that kept you off drugs and out of jail, not to mention not pregnant in high school.  At least it worked for me...along with a little luck.

    Parent
    If thinking things would be a whole (3.00 / 2) (#55)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:14:55 PM EST
    diff now if only HRC had gotten the nomination isnt based on something akin to an overactive adolescent fanatsy life, I dont know what is.

    Parent
    Excuse me (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:42:01 PM EST
    Where was that even mentioned?  But yes, as a different person, with different experiences, and a different background and different goals for this country, my guess is things would be very different than they are now.

    Parent
    Excuse me (2.00 / 2) (#58)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:03:17 PM EST
    but it's been the manifest or latent content of half of Anne's posts since she first showed up here.

    And, if there so "very different", why dosnt the sos stand on her principals, if principals they are, and resign in protest and really make her voice heard rather than relegating herself to mousy silence in this time of crisis?

    Parent

    Um (5.00 / 6) (#59)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:06:27 PM EST
    Because she's a politician?  Something we all knew, but some (many) of the current president's supporters didn't understand about him?

    And not sure why you are slamming Anne, who at least posts relevant and well-thought items, instead of just "Leave Obama Alone!"

    Parent

    Since you believe you can read (5.00 / 7) (#60)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:07:40 PM EST
    things that aren't there, would you also happen to know what the numbers will be for the MegaMillions drawing on Friday?  The jackpot's up to 200 million and that would be kind of a sweet thing.

    If not, stop putting words in my mouth or in my head; I'm not shy about expressing my opinions, so when I go on a crying jag about Hillary, you'll be hearing about it.

    Parent

    I already have (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:30:18 PM EST
    a few times.

    We all need to set our sights higher.

    Parent

    Ha! She's writing about you, jondee (3.66 / 3) (#78)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 07:51:51 PM EST
    and not Obama at all.  Read carefully:

    The ease with which people throw their own principles under the bus in order not to be left sitting at the loser kids' table.

    That and the rest is not about the leader.  It is about the followers.

    Parent

    No "follower" (none / 0) (#93)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:23:18 PM EST
    Strictly a lesser-of-two-evils-person who dosnt get all "empowered" and warm and fuzzy about the smiley face on cover of Redbook.

    The trouble with you people is that you like to pretend an American pol like Obama or Clinton can rise through the corrupt, special interest soccouring, patronage system and then magically morph into the type of person who threatens the entrenched staus quo once they assume higher office.

    This is pure fantasy.

    Parent

    Pure effing fantasy (none / 0) (#95)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:30:06 PM EST
    See, this is what's wrong with trying (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:30:37 PM EST
    to read between the lines and find hidden meanings. You end up losing credibility when you are constantly guessing wrong.

    Parent
    Are you the one thinking that? (5.00 / 8) (#57)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:02:22 PM EST
    Because I said nothing even close.

    That being said, everyone thought the candidate of their choice would be an improvement over what we had from 2000 to 2008, or did you think people supported candidates because they hoped and believed things would get worse?

    I have no idea whether or if things would be better, worse or about the same with Hillary in the Oval Office; I can speculate only to the extent that she's proven herself to be fond of working hard, attending to the details and not afraid to take a position - qualities that our current president might find helpful in actually being a leader.  I do not believe that after decades of working to improve the lives of women and children on matters ranging from health to education to basic rights, that Hillary would be abandoning those causes to sell out to crappy Republican policies just to get a win.

    Sure, I would love for her to have gotten the chance to prove she was the right person for the job, but she didn't - and all we can do now is move forward; it's a shame Obama doesn't seem to know how to actually advance Democratic positons, but since I didn't vote for him (didn't vote the top of the ticket), I don't have to take responsibility for helping him get the job.

    Parent

    Working hard and attending to details (2.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:28:57 PM EST
    improving the lives..etc etc sounds like a campaign ad: alot of hyperbolic generalizations with only the heart string tugging background music lacking. Never mind any concrete details relating to actual accomplishments. As a New Yorker who watched Walmart rise to become the No. 1 employer in the state during Senator Springboards tenure, I say sorry, no sale.
    Well, alot of those Walmart employees DO still qualify for food stamps..maybe that's what you mean by helping to improve people's lives.

    Parent
    Oh, brilliant (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Spamlet on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:38:58 PM EST
    Because Senator Clinton runs the state, of course. No need for a governor--Shrillary is omnipotent, wouldn't you agree?

    Parent
    Facts (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:49:55 PM EST
    Don't seem to get in the way with those who suffer from CDS - see Sully et al...

    Parent
    So (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:56:35 PM EST
    are all of the problems of New York State Hillary's fault because she was once a senator from the state?

    But on the other hand, the issues with our entire nation are -- don't tell me, let me guess -- all Bush's fault?

    Parent

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts... (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 09:02:15 PM EST
    ... on The Clenis.

    Oh, wait. You're talking about the primaries. For some reason. Sorry.

    Parent

    Im was talking about Tweedle Dum (5.00 / 0) (#96)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 05:09:03 PM EST
    and Tweedle Dee.

    And how neither one would ever seriously threaten the interests of all those middle maen with their hands in the till.

    Parent

    amateur political operatives (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Illiope on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:55:51 PM EST
    the legions of obama-supporting bloggers who, in piques of fantasy, fashion themselves more as political operatives and strategists than concerned citizens and voters is dismaying. the last thing the world needs is a group of wanna-be james carvilles making excuses for neoliberalism and political triangulation.


    Kind of lucky we got to see (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    the logical result of that sycophantic behavior so early on.

     

    Are we actually at the point for some people -- as we seem to be -- where a person is not only obligated to assume the core goodness of Obama but also agree and affirm that, a mere nine months into his presidency, he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize?   That's now a mandated belief?  In order to be a good, patriotic citizen and a decent human being, that's the requirement one has to fulfill?  If that became the prevailing view, wouldn't the distinction Ambinder highlighted between the Bush and Obama years cease to exist?

    If that isn't the very definition of carrying hero worship to the point of the absurd, I don't know what is.


    Glenn Greenwald (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by mentaldebris on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:38:14 PM EST
    is a national treasure. Period.

    You must be joking (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:52:12 PM EST
    You are ginoring what the award is about.

    In the year that you are awarded a peace prize, including the Nobel, you should not be ESCALATING a war.

    This is a damned simple concept.

    Of course, later on in anther time, you may achieve or act in a way that earns you a Peace Prize.

    I hardly say it is forever, but it is well, stupid, of you to argue that the Peace Prize should be awarded in the SAME YEAR that the winner escalates a war.

    It was stupid of the Nobel Committee as well.

    Good for you, BTD (none / 0) (#80)
    by Lora on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:00:26 PM EST
     
    ...even those of us who support the President's policy on Afghanistan should, through sheer intellectual honesty, understand that escalating wars, whether I think such escalation right or not, should pretty much disqualify you from consideration of a peace award.

    Quite right.

    Parent

    To carry the logic further (none / 0) (#94)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 04:28:30 PM EST
    No American pol who dosnt publicly question the wisdom and long term viability of the military industrial complex with it's 700+ bases around the world should EVER be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Parent
    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:53:45 PM EST
    This statement is false , ACCORDING to the Nobel Committee (and Obama Bots as well):

    "The nominations for this year's Nobel prizes were closed last February 1, which was a mere 12 days after Barack Obama swore the oath as president. That, in turn, also means that he was ostensibly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for those achievements accrued prior to his ever taking office."

    Now, please, let us all show some humility.


    I do not think (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:54:43 PM EST
    the Nobel committee has claimed that they considered only events occurring prior to February 1, and that kind of defies common sense as well.

    Agreed. How many times (none / 0) (#81)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:00:54 PM EST
    here have we said, and must we say, that there is a difference between a nomination -- or a lot more would have split the prize with Obama -- and a selection.  And there is a reason why the nominations and the selection are so many months apart.  Any nominating committee for any honor has to do some work in the intervening time to make a selection.    

    It is amazing to see how many people think Norwegians must be dumb and/or lazy.  I don't doubt at all that the committee put in work on this -- silly as I think the result is.

    Parent

    As if on cue... (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:04:20 PM EST
    there's a diary on the Rec List at dkos.  I shouldn't have to point out which one - the title and the thousand plus comments should give it away.

    Sigh....

    Wow (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Spamlet on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:21:58 PM EST
    Another purge in the works?

    We'll know shortly who's been right: those of us who continue to believe in the man we voted for and the people he selected to enact his policies, or those who have kvetched at every appointment, cried foul betrayer for no reason, and just generally demagogued this site into irrelevance.

    So that's what it took to make the Cheeto irrelevant. Who knew?

    Parent

    They still think it is 2008. (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 05:32:51 PM EST
    Gotta support Obama or the terr'rists win!

    Parent
    I hope he/she is right. (5.00 / 5) (#63)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:23:59 PM EST
    But it must be said:

    So far betting on Obama has never failed me. So I'm doubling down, again.

    FISA?  Patriot Act?  Etc?

    Parent

    Which one? (none / 0) (#61)
    by me only on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:19:12 PM EST
    Checketts dropping Limbaugh?

    Parent
    wingnuts of the left... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by pluege on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:43:07 PM EST
    play politics as sport just as much as wingnuts on the right, i.e., they are bereft of fundamental values or beliefs, notwithstanding the holier than thou pedestal they've put themselves on. Accordingly, anything obama does is just great by them even though thus far obamadmin has been nothing but bush part II.

    (what's a 'wingnut of the left' you ask? Kos, Yglesis, Marshall are good examples as are the rest of the obama boosters and fan club members who can't find a thing wrong with obamadmin.)

    Aren't "wingnuts of the left" (none / 0) (#86)
    by Spamlet on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:37:50 PM EST
    actually called "moonbats"?

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    I don't think so (none / 0) (#91)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 09:07:07 PM EST
    Moonbats, insofar as I understand the term, are wrong in principle (according to the right). They aren't just game players, which is what I think the comment meant.

    Parent
    Why do people say/post comments like this: (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Yes2Truth on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:53:21 PM EST

    " it's a shame Obama doesn't seem to know how to actually advance Democratic positons..."

    Just because O doesn't advance D positions isn't

    evidence that he doesn't know HOW to.

    He's doing exactly what 99% of the population

    does at work:  whatever is necessary to prevent

    being fired.  THAT is what drives most people...

    including Obama.  He's doing what he thinks will

    ensure that he has the same job in 2013.

    It seems clear he's doing exactly (none / 0) (#82)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:02:41 PM EST
    the wrong thing, then, because his lack of leadership and concern for the working folks on health care is going to get him "the hook" in 2012 unless his policies change quickly.

    Parent
    That's not evident by his actions (none / 0) (#84)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 08:07:47 PM EST
    His actions indicate he just wants everyone at work to like him. He's partying, and traveling as much as he and his family can during this first year...the one he thinks we won't remember come Nov 2012. Then, he'll worry about getting enough votes to keep his job from those little folk who gave him hundreds of millions of dollars through little online $25 donations in the fall of 2011.

    Parent
    Don't let the door hit you... (3.50 / 2) (#90)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 09:06:01 PM EST
    ... on the way out.

    Really? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30:56 PM EST
    The Dalai Lama said that the Korean War was a good thing.

    The Dalai Lama? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33:51 PM EST
    How many divisions does he have?

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    Well he has me (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:34:49 PM EST
    You invading any countries soon? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36:26 PM EST
    Hmmmmm maybe (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37:22 PM EST
    Don't get her started. (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by scribe on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:44:22 PM EST
    You have no idea what she's capable of....  You likely never dealt with the spouses of deployed military, especially when they're cheesed at something or other.

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    We learn to fight from the best (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:59:06 PM EST
    U.S. soldiers :)  After living with this one, I have learned new tactics mother nature was never capable of teaching me :)

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    Learning those new tactics (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by scribe on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:50:17 PM EST
    from soldiers stems from Uncle Sam's propensity for teaching his soldiers to willingly perform unnatural acts - like jumping out of a perfectly good airplane, for instance.  Once they get the hang of them unnatural acts, its a short step down the trail to teaching others to do likewise.

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    No such thing as a (none / 0) (#54)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 03:09:52 PM EST
    'perfectly good airplane.' Best Pilot in the World? of course...;-P

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    Well, he didn't approve of fighting (none / 0) (#72)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:56:02 PM EST
    back in 2003.

    One doesn't have to know too much about Buddism to know that fighting, or even being harshly opinionated, is not part of their belief system.


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    Since when has war... (none / 0) (#69)
    by pluege on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 04:48:37 PM EST
    not been the primary result of religion?

    (To expect any other result is foolish.)

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    But if you take that advice, you'll never (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 12:57:43 PM EST
    have White House cover for comparing people to the Taliban or calling them racists. You'll actually have to justify what you say!

    afghanistan = lost cause (none / 0) (#35)
    by pitachips on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:51:04 PM EST
    or no cause. what are we worried about? that afghani militants will destabilize pakistan? last i checked it was pakistan that is tacitly supporting the taliban. also, the pakistani government's (read the military) power over the nukes is pretty solid. al qaeda isn't going to be putting a pakistani nuke on a donkey cart and detonating it in india. this is a joke. obama is worried about appearing "weak" to his military and being remembered as the president who threw up the white flag in afghanistan, and we all know that the military leadership NEVER saw a war or battle it didn't want to continue/escalate.  

    TAPI (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Illiope on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 02:08:24 PM EST
    further military involvement, and escalation in afghanistan will only make matters worse for everyone. and, worse, it will only serve to bolster al qaeda and other militant orgs' recruitment.

    our taxpayer money supporting the war goes directly towards the growth of terrorism.

    don't forget, imo, the biggest reason why we are escalating afghanistan: oil and the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline (TAPI)

    american afghan legacy: "fighting terrorism" (while we increase it), "improving the lives of the afghans" (while we bomb them), "exporting democracy" (as we look to prop up a strongman).

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