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The Hill: Pelosi Has Votes For Robust Public Option

Via Jon Walker, The Hill reports:

Pelosi [. . .] said in the meeting she believed she has the votes now to pass her more “robust” version of a public option. But she said that she wants to show unity among House Democrats rather than passing a bill with 218 members, the bare majority of the chamber.

Shrewdly, imo, she wants more votes than that and has offered the Blue Dogs a bone:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is seeking to modify the House healthcare legislation to bring centrists around to the more liberal government-run insurance option, hoping that will give her the strongest negotiating position with the Senate. In a closed-door session with a diverse group of Democrats on Wednesday, Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered a $20 billion tweak in hospital reimbursement rates to rural lawmakers.

Pelosi also argued to the Blue Dogs that she can give them increased rural Medicare reimbursement rates if they send her to conference with more political bargaining power. I think that's true. And it is smart of Pelosi to talk to them this way. It is also smart of her to let them know she has the votes without them. Good political bargaining by the Speaker.

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    And it might work with (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oldpro on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53:09 AM EST
    some blue dogs for whom those Medicare reimbursement rates are a big deal...which, in fact, they are.

    This is the first real sign of good politics on HCR IMHO.  Perhaps Nancy is sick and tired of Olympia getting all the headlines and invitations to 'meetup with the guyz and decide stuff.'

    Show 'em who's boss, Nancy.

    Now build a few bridges, roads and libraries (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by steviez314 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:08:05 PM EST
    in Nebraska, North Dakota and Arkansas and we can wrap this thing up!

    You mean (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:15:02 PM EST
    we can make deals to get what we want and not just corporate give aways?   Imagine that.  Go Nancy.  

    liberal government-run insurance option (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Faust on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:25:27 PM EST
    It drives me nuts that it is always refered to in this way in standard reporting. Here is my proposal: any reporter that insists on refering to all instances of the public option as "government-run" must refer to our "government-run" millitary, our "government-run" social security, and our "government-run" medicare. Lets give credit where credit is due.

    Who's the extremists? (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:43:57 PM EST
    I'd also like them to quit referring to the public option as some "left wing" program. The overall majority of American's want this program. It isn't some off the wall idea supported only by extremists.

    The Democrat's that are opposed to the public option don't even represent the moderate wing of the party. They represent the extreme wing of the party.

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    Thank you. I now am going to refer (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    to what I do as "government-run education, a crazy liberal idea."  I think that will look good on every course syllabus.  

    Hmmm, and I can see starting off my PowerPoints for every class with a slide that says:

    Today's Government-Run Education Installment.

    I don't suppose, though, that it would do the cause any good to put on top of every test that it's brought to students by their government, too.

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    Please do! (none / 0) (#18)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:22:02 PM EST
    And y'know, every financial aid letter (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:00:56 PM EST
    about a government grant for education to a student, which sends the student to a bank that administers it, really ought to start off with a clear statement that it really is coming from the government, too.  I've seen the letters. . . .

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    liberal government run (none / 0) (#19)
    by drobertson on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:28:15 PM EST
    drinking water!

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    Government run (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:35:03 PM EST
    firefighters and police who come to your aid!

    Government-provided streets and highways that you drive on.

    Government-provided safe food and air and water!

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    Take a deep breath (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Spamlet on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:49:54 PM EST
    of gummint-regulated air.

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    Pelosi is kicking a$$ (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by pontificator on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    From her press conference today:

    Speaking at her weekly press conference just off the House floor moments ago, Speaker Nancy Pelosi made her most impassioned argument in weeks, for including a public option in comprehensive health care reform legislation, arguing against the idea, favored by some conservative Democrats, of mandating that people buy health insurance, and then throwing them into what she called the "lion's den" of the private insurance industry.

    In so doing, Pelosi came closer than any member of the Democratic leadership has thusfar to suggesting that the individual mandate should be conditional on the inclusion of a public option. Pelosi declined to elaborate when pressed by TPMDC on whether Congress would revisit the individual mandate if the public option can't survive the Senate. But her implication was fairly clear.

    The House, she said, "will not force America's middle income families to negotiate with insurance companies."

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/pelosi-comes-out-swinging-for-the-public-option.php?ref=f pa


    Wow (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:44:36 PM EST
    The House, she said, "will not force America's middle income families to negotiate with insurance companies."

    That, my friends, is a little thing we like to call framing a message. Way to go Madame Speaker.

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    Is CalPERS coaching her? (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 03:35:00 PM EST
    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by cawaltz on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45:27 PM EST
    The insurance industry overplayed their hand when they hinted that if Congress passed reform we are all in for premium hikes.

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    You know (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:50:47 PM EST
    I criticize her for many things she has failed to do as Speaker, but for this, I give her total props.  You go girl!

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    A Blue Dog who channels Anne (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:00:02 PM EST
    Suggests opening Medicare for all (although he doesn't necessarily support it?):

    Blue Dog Rep. Mike Ross, who made headlines by rejecting a compromise he'd negotiated on a public health insurance option, has suggested to Democratic leaders that the government-run Medicare program be opened to all Americans.

    Ross (D-Ark.) has made the suggestion in meetings with House Democratic leaders and brought the idea to the closed-door House Democratic Caucus meeting Thursday.

    "I - speaking only on behalf of myself - suggested one possible idea could be that instead of creating an entirely new government bureaucracy to administer a public option, Medicare could be offered as a choice to compete alongside private insurers for those Americans eligible to enter the national health insurance exchange, but at a reimbursement rate much greater than current Medicare rates," Ross said in a statement to The Hill.

    The position is surprising because centrist Democrats such as Ross, chairman of the Blue Dogs' healthcare task force, have resisted a public insurance option with rates tied to Medicare. Centrist Democrats who can support a public plan generally prefer that the officials who run it negotiate rates with each provider.



    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:05:06 PM EST
    What rock has he been under all this time?  The Blue Dogs are weird people.  Gee, no public option, but let's have Medicare for all instead!  Okay, twist my arm.

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    Indeed (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:09:04 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:49:09 AM EST
    so what's the end result of all this? No HCR since Snowe has already stated that she won't vote for a bill like this.

    No bill is better than the one the Senate has.

    But Snowe doesn't have to vote for it (none / 0) (#3)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 11:55:26 AM EST
    Neither do 10 other Senate Dems.  What has to happen is that 60 Dems and their independent caucusmates have to vote for Cloture and let the thing get to a vote. Biden can break a tie if only 50 Dems will vote for the bill.  

    I too have my doubts that Obama and the Senate leadership can/will wield the clout to make that happen. But Snowe is only the problem if the Dem leadership wants her to be.

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    Well (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:07:43 PM EST
    since they've completed ceded leadership on the issue to Snowe I don't see them backing off it. Frankly, I've long past given up hope of any meaningful reform. I'm more of the mindset that the Progressive Caucus will end up caving.

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    Grivalja (none / 0) (#12)
    by cawaltz on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 12:50:27 PM EST
    sounded pretty stubborn to me and not in the least bit ready to cave.

    Perhaps that wishful thinking on my part.

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    Perhaps (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:07:24 PM EST
    he won't.

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    Up or Down Vote (none / 0) (#27)
    by WS on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:25:35 PM EST
    Ben Nelson never complained when Bush did reconciliation for tax cuts and that gave Bush an up or down vote.  Now, he should give President Obama the same courtesy, vote for cloture, and give him an up or down vote on health care.  

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    You think the debate should stop? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 02:53:29 PM EST
    Now? Why?

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    Oh (none / 0) (#21)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:48:56 PM EST
    Well if Olympia Snowe says it, I guess that's the way it is, then.

    Or not.  What she says is just a bargaining tool - she doesn't want a public option, so she tries to dissuade us from including it by claiming that she'll never ever vote for it.  But that doesn't mean she's telling the truth.  The only way we'll ever find out is to call her on it.

    She's obviously somewhat squishy on the issue.  If the progressives insist on a robust public option, then put that bill in front of her and see if she filibusters.  The chance that she'll cave is certainly nonzero.

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    Not sure she manipulated it to be this way (none / 0) (#23)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:57:33 PM EST
    but, she managed to get herself into the limelight so that she could get her "no public option" restriction standing center stage for the entire country to hear. And, she did a good job of making it appear that she's doing this for the people.

    Wish a few who would like to see Medicare expanded to all would get themselves in front of a camera as though their opinion held so much more value than others.


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    Well (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 03:45:31 PM EST
    it seems that Obama has ceded leadership to her. It seems to be more important to him to get a "bipartisan" label on something that actually put forth good policy.


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    Time to throw her out of the speakership (none / 0) (#17)
    by msobel on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 01:15:16 PM EST
    She is not negotiating like a Democrat.  She should give up more to the right wing and follow Reid and President Snow.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#31)
    by DancingOpossum on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 03:51:22 PM EST
    ...his constituents twisted his?!?