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The Villagers' World Turned Upside Down

They sit in shock today, unable to comprehend how their announced wisdoms did not rule the day. They can not believe the DFHs prevailed upon Senate Majority Leader Reid to put in the public option (with the President's Men, Villagers All, none too pleased either.)

Their disdain is now aimed at Reid for, disgustingly, listening to the people and being concerned about what they think instead of taking his cues from the would be Broders. Their concern for Olympia Snowe's dignitas (where their own are housed) knows no bounds.

They will fight hard against this revolt of the peasants. They will do the insurance industry's bidding and fight, leak, slant and attack to the bitter end. And the fight is still in doubt. But there is no doubt that shock and anger is their reaction today.

The Progressive base has won a hard fought battle, but the war is not won. Trumka and Stern, the union leaders, HCAN, and the other progressive health care activists and bloggers have fought hard and shrewdly.

They have done the impossible, and that makes them mighty. But the war is not won yet. In many ways, it gets harder from here, because they will face the full wrath of the Village, who feels its grip on power slipping. The Village will not go down quietly.

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    Think Raśl Grijalva (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 06:39:20 AM EST
    will start to get his phone calls returned now? I mean, these people barely took Nancy Pelosi seriously before (though that was in large part her fault).

    We're on the cusp of something really big.

    Still not convinced (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 06:56:22 AM EST
    They won't get 60 votes, at which time, Reid and the WH will back away from the public option.

    "Public Option?  Never heard of it."

    Can't be done (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 07:16:17 AM EST
    Reid needs a vote. Soemone needs to take the hit on it. Whether that is Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln or someone else - Reid will make them go on the record. He needs that.

    The interesting thing is it goes beyond that. When the targets are public - in this case they are - the President ALSO is under pressure to lobby the targets.

    Frankly, if Reid was not up for a tough reelection next year, I am skeptical we would be here. But he is and the activists used that. Obama's people did not think about that. They misplayed their hand.

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    It was really interesting to observe... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by magster on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:14:11 AM EST
    ... the progressive strategy. My heart sunk when Snowe voted 'aye' on the SFC markup.  The progressive counterpunch was to pressure Reid, and it worked.  

    Do you know how and who premeditated that strategy to target Reid? FDL, Rockefeller/Schumer, the unions, and progressive groups seemed coordinated by someone and it didn't look like coincidence.

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    The key play was Schumer's imo (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:50:27 AM EST
    Remember his public statement that it was in Reid's hands.

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    Obama's rookie mistake (n/t) (none / 0) (#57)
    by Spamlet on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 06:57:06 PM EST
    Obama's people did not think about that. They misplayed their hand.


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    Washington Journal (5.00 / 7) (#4)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 07:20:45 AM EST
    was covering yesterday's events, and what stood out most to me was that, if the calls to the program this morning are any measure of what people do and do now know, the majority of people believe that the/a public option is going to be available to everyone.  One caller declared that other countries are doing it, and being successful, so this was truly a glorious moment - she obviously thinks a/the public option is the equivalent of single-payer.

    Had I not been driving in a torrential rain, I might have called in, but since rain turns people into idiots on the road, decided that might not be the wisest thing to do...

    In any event, a segment of the progressive base has gotten past one checkpoint; we have to remember that there is a contingent that calls itself progressive that was willing to throw in with Obama and scheme the latest dimension of chess, even in the face of his clear resistance to the Reid proposal.  Will that group choose loyalty over the right policy?  We'll see.

    There are a lot more of these checkpoints ahead, and the Village is going to hunker down for the next battle; we can only hope they continue their slow spiral into irrelevance.


    Expansion (none / 0) (#53)
    by waldenpond on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 12:29:13 PM EST
    This woman's belief is not necessarily a bad thing.  Public anger will be the pressure to expand the public option sooner.  The debate will continue to ramp up as premiums continue to rise.

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    We People of the valley sent a message ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by robrecht on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 07:24:35 AM EST
    Up the Hill.

    Good post.  Sort of reminds me of the line from the Billy Jack song:

    "On the bloody morning after ...
    One tin soldier rides away."

    I love that song n/t (none / 0) (#29)
    by CST on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:23:01 AM EST
    I certainly wish (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:25:43 AM EST
    I certainly wish I shared your optimism that this "public option" -- whatever convoluted, scaled down mess it happens to end up being -- is a done deal.

    The Villagers rarely lose in the end.

    A done deal? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:34:50 AM EST
    Amazing how people project onto what it is written.

    Explain to me how you got that from my piece. Quotes would be helpful.

    We are quite disdainful of the way the Daily Kos community has become Democratic Underground. Let's avoid that here.

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    You (none / 0) (#42)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:13:09 AM EST
    projected done deal with your post for me, that the Villagers had been defeated.  Sorry, but that was my impression of what you said.  If that wasn't your intention, you've aired that now.

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    And BTW (none / 0) (#44)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:17:26 AM EST
    my interpretation of you was that the public option battle was fought and won, but the details were the battles still waged.

    We don't have anything yet. Nothing.  Saying we have a public option even under consideration means nothing at all at this point.

    We gotta see the bill under consideration to know what we have, whether it's a public option or a load of horsesh*t....and I suspect it's the latter.

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    Like you I'm waiting to break out (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:39:19 AM EST
    the champaign until a final bill with a viable public option is on Obama's desk ready to be signed. Have done too many roller coaster rides since the Dems obtained the majority. The Dems are standing firm, no, the Dems are weakening, no the Dems are standing firm and repeat, repeat and then major disappointment.

    Also, waiting to see what other provisions are in the Senate bill and the CBO scoring.

     

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    Expected better from you (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:48:51 AM EST
    I will repeat it to you - Daily Kos.Democratic Underground level of reasoning is not permitted in my threads.

    For your edification - "The Progressive base has won a hard fought battle, but the war is not won. Trumka and Stern, the union leaders, HCAN, and the other progressive health care activists and bloggers have fought hard and shrewdly.

    They have done the impossible, and that makes them mighty. But the war is not won yet. In many ways, it gets harder from here, because they will face the full wrath of the Village, who feels its grip on power slipping. The Village will not go down quietly."

    (Emphasis supplied.)

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    I understood your comment (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:09:41 AM EST
    that the war is not yet won and agree with it. I have also seen many on various sites celebrating what they feel is a done deal. From my POV, it is just one more step along the road. Those who want real health care reform prevented the powers that be from completely eliminating any chance of a public option from the legislation at this juncture. No small task by any means.  

    Yet as you said

    But the war is not won yet. In many ways, it gets harder from here, because they will face the full wrath of the Village, who feels its grip on power slipping. The Village will not go down quietly."

    So I will wait to celebrate until all the obstacles have been overcome and review all the elements of the final legislation to determine if IMO it will satisfy my goal of providing affordable health care to the people who need it.

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    I am complimenting (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:14:06 AM EST
    the unions in particular, for their intelligent strategy TO DATE.

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    The unions have been very influencial in (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:45:58 AM EST
    this endeavor. No doubt about it. The House Progressive Caucus also deserves credit. I am particularly impressed that many of the progressive organizations hung together on this issue and used their funds to apply pressure where it would do the most good. The ad in Nevada putting pressure on Reid, the recent ad from active supporters of Obama requesting he fight for the public option, and the joint letter to Rahm requesting Obama to actively fight for it were very impressive. Each step upped the anti and prevented key people from avoiding  responsibility for the demise of the public option. Also to be commended are all the individuals who called their members of Congress in support of a public option.  

    Best effort I've seen to date by the progressive community. That coordinated endeavor does make me think that we have a chance of developing strategies for successfully "herding the cats" to our advantage on our issues.

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    Winning and losing (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:25:29 AM EST
    I've always felt that one of the major PR problems of the left was its frequent refusal to declare victory, even when it's won something.

    I think what BTD is celebrating (it's certainly what I'm celebrating) is that for the first time in quite a long time, the "progressive" elements actually managed to apply pressure relentlessly and successfully and to the right person at the right time.

    They/we won something, something important, Reid's capitulation.  If you'd told me a month ago that Reid would come out for the PO and make it a part of the Senate bill, I would have asked what you were smoking.

    When people win a battle, if you want them to keep fighting, you don't sniff that it was an insignificant battle, you cheer them like crazy and egg them on to keep going.

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    On winning and losing...and, taking time to cheer (none / 0) (#56)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 04:35:19 PM EST
    Just saw this comment. I wanted to stand up and cheer your comment.  'Very much agree that there are some who have faced hurts and defeats so many times (and, often, wrongfully and unfairly) that it becomes difficult to smile even when a smile is called for. And to know when to cheer, capturing the reinvigoration for the struggles to come. For goodness sake, keep reminding us not to defeat ourselves with a pervasive sense of defeat when victory actually, finally appears on the horizon.

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    you are wise my friend (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:54:21 AM EST
    but there is a sadness to your wisdom.

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    I felt that way when I was younger (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:02:09 AM EST
    I wanted there to be more of an assured deliverance in our political processes.  Maybe that is why the greatest generation became the greatest generation, because they experienced something of that nature.  I will have to develop my character in other ways I suppose, in the singular battles.

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    Current form of public option (none / 0) (#35)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:44:55 AM EST
    as I understand it, will only cover about 10 million people, and the bill has a provision that halts negotiation of drug prices with big pharma.  If progressives get behind lobbying to broaden potential coverage and end legislated price fixing, then I'll truly be impressed.

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    so SO true (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:48:25 AM EST
    I tuned in to Morning Joe this morning just for giggles and it was definitely giggle central.
    Hoe and Mica Mouse were absolutely apoplectic.

    I had to literally tear myself away to get into the shower.

     

    oh and btw (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:55:49 AM EST
    when Mark Halperin is the voice of reason, as he certainly was this morning on MSNBC, you know the world is indeed upside down.

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    the video is up (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:21:16 AM EST
    Harry went rogue (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:51:05 AM EST
    Nor was he willing to give his life on his President's order :)  Thank God everybody isn't like that.  I suppose he can't be trusted now.  Hoping I can count on you to make bloggy note in the blogosphere of hope and change when contracts are put out on him.

    no, no they won't. (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by cpinva on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:57:24 AM EST
    The Village will not go down quietly.

    they will be back, with a vengeance. not to suggest i'm cynical or anything (no suggestion at all, i am, very.), but as you rightly note, this is merely one battle, not the war.

    Damn! (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:57:54 AM EST
    It's too bad we don't have a President who is a media darling, who could turn the Village in favor of the public option by vocally supporting it. <snark>

    (In terms of getting through this problem in the Village, it seems like an obvious step unless Obama has totally lost the Village love he accumulated.  And it needs to start now, not in the final hour.  Hell you could say it needs to start today or tomorrow, and not in a "few days" or whenever the Admin said Obama was going to make remarks about health reform).

    My two cents anyway.

    Good point (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:59:37 AM EST
    But the role of Bystander was the One (pun intended) chosen on health care reform.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#28)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:21:21 AM EST
    oh and I was right about the 11 dimensional chess advocates not giving up, regardless of what Schumer says (that being, we made the WH go along with the PO).  Lo, booman:

    The critical piece you need to understand this strategy is that the hardest vote to get is Stage Two. Once both Houses of Congress pass their own versions of health care reform, everyone will have a big self-congratulatory party. At least 60 senators will have already have come together and voted for reform once. It will be incredibly hard for any Democrat to turn around at that point and vote against final passage just because something was added or subtracted in the Conference Report.

    Really?  Baucus is on our side now.  Giving him an extra month to wreak havoc on the public option being impossible doesn't seem particularly smart.  And again, if you can get Blanche Lincoln to say "there's some good things in this bill, but I hate the PO" and still half-heartedly vote for cloture the first time around, why can't you do it again?  

    That seems to be a more grounded in reality type effort than believing in a miraculous last second hammer on the entire Democratic caucus.

    That should be clear if you understand the different points in the process. There are a few tough votes in the Senate. Even Schumer says that they are still one or two votes short. If the administration is going to put on a full-court press for those last holdouts, they only want to do it once.

    What do you then when Ben Nelson says he will only vote for the bill if it's bipartisan (as he has previously) and Snowe still won't vote for the PO?

    Let Blanche Lincoln screw around and come up with an amendment to strip the PO from the Reid/Schumer bill in the first round.  Let her play out her drama.  

    I still am able to see, squinting, what Booman is saying, but it is increasingly illogical to me.


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    It's stupidity (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:34:40 AM EST
    and wishful thinking.

    Honestly, I am not psaying attention to that anymore.

    There are more interesting aspects and concerns now than apologias for Obama.

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    I guess the one thing (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:47:14 AM EST
    that seems obvious is that fighting works.  So we can't stop now.  Regardless of whether Obama's throwing punches or not.

    (I'm just p*ssed because there are plenty of issues Obama needs to solve, and this Bystander thing better be a one off.  I want leadership).

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    Wouldn't count on it (none / 0) (#49)
    by sj on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:55:33 AM EST
    this Bystander thing better be a one off

    I think this Bystander thing is what has been previously been described as "preternaturally calm".

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    sj (none / 0) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:58:30 AM EST
    Your link does not work for me.

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    Weird (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by sj on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:02:45 AM EST
    Once, posted, it didn't work for me either.  Here it is again.

    Link

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    Who also tossed the hot potato (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:38:20 AM EST
    to Reid, as I recall.

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    He tosses it to everybody (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:48:03 AM EST
    And I'm bloody sick of it too.  Whoever heard of playing hot potato on an actual battlefield with bullets and stuff zipping past your ears?

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    Check out Greenwald today. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:51:45 AM EST
    Oh Boy (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:54:42 AM EST
    Let's go see

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    An excellent soldier (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:42:44 AM EST
    He's spelled it all out clearly and I hear every word he says.  You know what is so sad.....the facts of the situation will be completely ignored by the Village and everyone allows them to.  The theys and thems and those of the Village will not address any of these facts.  But McChrystal is bad for lobbying for more troops, because he cannot even come close to completing this mission in any way that just doesn't off a huge number of civilians without more troops.  And nobody in the Village will admit that the country is too broke to even be in Afghanistan let alone Iraq.  We don't get to talk facts.  It is just hot potato passing.  If we can't commit we have to leave.  There is no middle ground here.  I suppose when my husband gets home I will have a better idea too of how the current situation out there is.  He will come home with his opinions.  He always does.

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    I do not write for you (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:08:48 AM EST
    You write "You claim that the Villagers world has been 'turned upside down' without offering a single link quote. You build a post out of a 'they' that exists only, at this stage, in your imagination[.]"

    If you really believe that the Village is not in an uproar and need MY links to Hiatt, Dana Milbank et al on this issue, well you are not my intended readership.

    General familiarity with the state of play is necessary. For specific refutations of arguments made, I do of course link back to the argument addressed.

    I will give you an example, when Booman writes criticvisms of "some bloggers" for being critical of Obama, I do not take him on for failing to name who he means - I know exactly who he means - FDL, Aravosis, mcjoan and to the extent he thinks about what I write, me. I take on his argument, not his failure to say who he means.

    It is indeed my preference to identify specifically who I am criticizing, but I no longer am closely attuned to specific persons in the Village and the Media (withthe notable exception of Ezra Klein, whose status made him someon I felt it necessary to identify and rebut), thus my criticism of that group is generalized for the most part.

    I will not start devoting time to writing about specific pieces by Hiatt, Milbank Brooks and others. They are not a big part of my thinking anymore.

    Indeed, there last throes battle on this issue is in large part due to their realization of that fact. The lating newspaper circulation numbers and TV news ratings numbers are striking and definitive proof that the Media and the Village are dying. But they are not dead yet.

    Bare bones (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:11:49 AM EST
    Yes it's going to get bloodier, but it would have gotten there regardless. Nothing short of a total collapse of any reform would satisfy the critics.

    In reality this proposed bill is a bare bones minumum of anything that was seriously discussed during the election cycle. By adding the opt out clause, every Senator is given cover. They can pass the the hot potato back to the states.

    With the backing of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and even Baucus, I can't see Democrat's going against it. Reid wouldn't have gone out on a limb if he didn't feel confident of the outcome. In spite of what I think of him as a leader, he's a very cautious and shrewd politician.

    And if it is enacted (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by domer5000 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:31:31 AM EST
    and the world as we know it does not immediately come to an end as the GOP would like the country to believe, perhaps it can be strengthened more to our liking over the next seven years

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    And from Nevada...Harry knows (none / 0) (#54)
    by oldpro on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 12:43:39 PM EST
    when to toss the dice, remembering that the odds are always with the House...and in his reelection case, with the unions.

    That strategy was clearly the only one that would actually have a chance of paying off.  Basic.  Well done first firefight.

    Reload.

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    Excellent post. (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:19:42 AM EST


    Obama or Village? (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:31:13 AM EST
    Seemingly Obama is up to the same old sh*t:  

    The administration told Reid, "You're the vote counter. But don't come crying to us when you need that last vote," according to NBC News' Chuck Todd.

    If this is part of the Village attack, then it is certainly up to Obama to refute this.  And if Obama actually said that he is a moron - as if the fate of "Reid's bill" has nothing to do with him.

    They, they, them, they, them, they...us (none / 0) (#7)
    by kidneystones on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:22:30 AM EST
    This is one of the silliest pieces of writing and over-reach since Obama declared he'd quit smoking, gitmo was closing, and that all the combat troops were on their way home.

    Axelrod earns major coin protecting the interests of his corporate clients. The proportion of corporate donations to individual donors was something like 2/1 and with elections coming on the horizon the only thing the Dem leadership needs to do is secure the next round of corporate funding (tax-payer provided).

    A key component of keeping the corporate donors happy is snowing the rubes.

    Anybody got a light?

    I want to be clear about this (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 08:46:31 AM EST
    The threads in MY posts will not devolve into Daily Kos/Democratic Underground stupidity. I will not permit it.

    To response to you, I will act as if you were asking a question on my use of the pronoun "they." It is connected to the title of my post.

    "They sit in shock today, unable to comprehend how their announced wisdoms did not rule the day. They can not believe the DFHs prevailed upon Senate Majority Leader Reid to put in the public option (with the President's Men, Villagers All, none too pleased either.)"

    The references are to the Villagers, as a perusal of the title would suggest to a thinking person.

    Second graf:

    "Their disdain is now aimed at Reid for, disgustingly, listening to the people and being concerned about what they think instead of taking his cues from the would be Broders. Their concern for Olympia Snowe's dignitas (where their own are housed) knows no bounds."

    The italicized "they" is confusing. I should have written "the people" again. I will make that edit now. Third graf:

    "They will fight hard against this revolt of the peasants. They will do the insurance industry's bidding and fight, leak, slant and attack to the bitter end. And the fight is still in doubt. But there is no doubt that shock and anger is their reaction today."

    See explanation of first graf.

    "The Progressive base has won a hard fought battle, but the war is not won. Trumka and Stern, the union leaders, HCAN, and the other progressive health care activists and bloggers have fought hard and shrewdly.

    They have done the impossible, and that makes them mighty. But the war is not won yet. In many ways, it gets harder from here, because they will face the full wrath of the Village, who feels its grip on power slipping. The Village will not go down quietly."

    I think the transition is apparent here and easy to follow. In addition, I am quoting a statement that is obscure, but known to many person who have read me over time. I think it holds up.

    Finally, if your comment is indicative pfwhat you will be bringing to my threads, you are not welcome.

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    How public is it? (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:30:57 AM EST
    Beautifully written post.

    I have a question or two, however.

    I have read that the "public option" will not be available to people who already have health insurance, but would want to switch to a less expensive government-run plan.

    I read that this "public option" would only be available to people who have no insurance.

    If the above is true, the public option as included in the bill would only help about 10% of the American people.

    This is not nothing, but it is far from what we need - universal affordable healthcare.

    And people who cannot buy into the public option, will continue to be at the mercy of the insurance companies.

    I hope that this description of what this public option actually accomplishes is not accurate. But I am not finding much specific information being offered.

    If it is true that progressives are finding and using their collective muscles and influencing policy, now would be the wrong time to relax in the assumption that meaningful universal healthcare is anywhere near being a fait accompli.

    Couldn't people simply drop their insurance (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:45:25 AM EST
    and go without for a couple months and then be eligible? Some people are getting up to 30% increases in their premiums as congress is deciding whether we need help or not. Have the powers that be dropped the word "affordable" from the discussion?

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    IIRC the exchange would be open to people who (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:15:36 AM EST
    do not have employer based insurance and to small business owners with a very small number of employees (number varies by bill). At least one of the House bills did allow the number of employees to be expanded in the third year. The 9 - 10 million people accessing the public option (CBO estimate) would be reduced if states decided to opt out of that provision.

    None of the bills provide universal coverage. The Senate Finance bill will only insure 29 million of the 45 - 46 million people who are currently without insurance. What provisions are in the final bill is anyone's guess at this moment.

    One of my concerns is how the public option is structured. If it is not structured in a way that it can compete and prosper against the private insurance industry, it will not be a nose of the camel under the tent. A failed public option would  mean the exact opposite. Another concern, is that people may be so focused on the public option issue that other bad provisions may be included (they abound in BaucusCare) without anyone noticing.

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    Please see (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:32:33 AM EST
    BTD's many posts about "the camel's nose under the tent."

    Anybody who thought we were going to start from where we are now and get "universal affordable health care" in one mighty struggle is living in a dream world, IMHO.  Truth be told, we're probably never going to get it, at least not in our lifetimes.  But the existence of any kind of functioning "public option" (and 10 million people ain't beanbag) will be a major shift in the whole dynamic of the discussion down the road.

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    Although I have read recently Pelosi et al. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 09:33:51 AM EST
    are pushing to make the benefits of HCR available in 2010.  It ain't over 'til it's over.

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    If (none / 0) (#55)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 03:10:37 PM EST
    people think that this "public option" is a victory for Americans in need of affordable healthcare, it is over. From the way it is being reported, it gives the impression that we will all have the choice of a public option unless our State opts out. Such does not appear to be the case.

    If this is as far as it goes, and Obama declares victory, it will be his "mission accomplished" moment.

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