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Venceremos! Open Thread

The last thread is filling up and I am off for a while so here is an Open Thread and a Link to my friend Al Giordano's coverage of the "authentic mass movement" for Zelaya in Honduras. I am tweaking Al a little bit but it is an interesting perspective. I do recommend reading him on these (and other) things, though I often disagree with him. (We have disagreed about Chavez for years and years.)

By the way, the Venceremos! also applies to the Yankees, winners of 7 straight and 2.5 games clear of the Red Sox in the AL East. Go Yanks!

This is an Open Thread.

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    Go Yanks! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:49:27 PM EST


    Woo-hoo! (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:08:40 PM EST
    Meanwhile, the Mets (whose AA minor league team is now known as "Fight Club - Binghamton") continue to implode, dropping 2 out of 3 to the worst-in-baseball Nationals.

    Life could not be better for those who cheer the team with the white interlocking NY on a royal blue cap, white uniform with 24 pinstripes, numerals and the interlocking NY logo on the left chest, all in royal blue, and no name of course.  

    Well, it could be better, if seats were reasonably priced.  But we'll set that aside.  

    And the Sawx, trading and stockpiling every player they can get Theo Epstein's hands on belie a bit of panic growing out there in the Fens, right alongside the mosquito larvae.

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    Rub it in, rub it in... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:38:16 PM EST
    we are the laughingstock of baseball...not at all lovable losers:(

    I thought the Doble AA team was in Queens myself:)

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    Um, no (none / 0) (#30)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:35:03 PM EST
    for those of us in the DC area, the Nats are the "laughingstock of baseball."  To paraphrase an earlier sobriquet,  Washington DC is definitely "First in war, first in peace, and last in the National League."  Fortunately, I'm originally from St. Louis, so I retain a certain fondness for the Cards.  ;-)    

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    Proof positive: the Padres beat the (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:09:17 PM EST
    Nationals today.

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    You see (none / 0) (#39)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:21:13 PM EST
    I would've been a Mets fan, but when "Da Bums," who I lived and died with, abandoned me for Hollywood, I moved uptown from Brooklyn (and the National League) to the Bronx, the Bombers (and Mickey, of course.)

    Of course, Steinbenner made it tough, but I learned to live with it.

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    oh my (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:53:01 PM EST
    this is hilarious.  
    could it be?  is it even possible that our post modern post racial president could be intentionally manipulating the news cycle?
    mercy, where is my fainting couch.

    Obama Complains About the News Cycle but Dominates It, Worrying Some

    too bad all that work got messed up (none / 0) (#18)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:59:53 PM EST
    with one question....back on msg, Mr. P.

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    break out the cigars (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:53:21 PM EST
    for Lonesome George

    Lonesome George - listed in the Guinness Book
    of Records as the rarest living creature on planet Earth
    may be about to become a father for the first time at the ripe old age of ninety four (that is an estimate, but it is believed he is between ninety years and a century in age).  As the world holds it breath as the eggs are incubated, let's take a look at Lonesome George and his quest to reproduce.

    Have you been watching 'Hung'? (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:30:27 PM EST
    It has turned out to be as good as I had hoped it would be.  My favorite part thusfar has been a fight between Ray and Tanya where Ray explains to her that she is the worst pimp in the world.  She finally agrees that he has points and promises to improve and 'Happiness Consultants' lives on :)

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    And back here at home (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by SOS on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:02:41 PM EST
    the problem is that capitalism is in the process of destroying the U. S. , the world and the climate in order to line the greedy pockets of the top 0.5 % of wealthy Americans who care only about their mansions, toys and the "fun'' they can have on their lavish vacations and playing out their extravagant lifestyles on the few years they have left on the planet. In the long run, much ado about nothing; the planet will survive long after civilization and humanity have collapsed.

    So, you have a way to make the sun shine less? (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:25:05 PM EST
    More?? More would be better.

    Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun. Solar activity comes in regular cycles, but the latest one is refusing to start. Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum,"  along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."

    Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again. Overseeing a giant radio telescope he calls a "stethoscope for the sun," Tapping says, if the pattern doesn't change quickly, the earth is in for some very chilly weather.

    Link

    Man made global warming has been so bad that I was three weeks late on getting my garden in.. (sarcasm alert)


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    I guess Obama's health care (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:19:56 PM EST
    has me targeted to become Soylent Green...

    Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

    Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

    Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

    Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

    Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

    Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

    Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

    Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

    He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

    That is as about as blunt as you can get without saying the elderly have an obligation to die for the good of the state.


    Betsy McCaughey!! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:22:33 PM EST
    Omigod, I can't believe you're quoting Betsy McCaughey!!  HAHAHAHAHAH!

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    Looks to me like I am quoting a source (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:41:44 PM EST
    who is quoting him.

    Are you claiming that the source is lying?

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    It is nice to have your very own troll (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:02:57 PM EST
    come on DA, write us 10000 or so words in response.

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    Cheney/Bush totally wanted to be dictators (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:53:35 PM EST
    Or, at least Cheney did. The NY Times has a story up that reports the discussions in the Cheney/Bush administration about using the United States military to arrest people in American towns and cities.

    Cheney and Addington insisted that memos from our old buddy John Yoo gave the president the power to deploy the United States military on U.S. soil, Posse Comititus be d@mned.

    I wish I could say this was so much worse than I imagined, but it's not. I can totally see this happening. Even sadder, I can imagine the American people putting up with it.

    Adams, Jefferson, Washington, franklin-- all rolling over in their graves.

    I saw that (none / 0) (#67)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:06:49 PM EST
    It really supports the aphorism of where there's smoke, there's fire.

    Always knew Cheney was an out of control fascist...Just more confirmation.

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    My Dot changed the channel (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:17:17 PM EST
    I went in the other room to do some things and came back and tried to figure out what was on the TV (I was watching the game). Something with lots of explosions etc. Well, my Dot is afraid of exploding things . . .  I now have a dog who changed the channel and is lying in fear on the floor because she changed the channel . . . .

    And to think, if she hadn't changed the channel, she could have watched Mariano and the Yanks win AGAIN!!!

    First they learn the remote, and tomorrow. . . (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:25:33 PM EST
    they TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

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    I'm seriously working on (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:30:53 PM EST
    avoiding that!!! Although, how bad could that be?

    I'll never forget when I used to come home from work and the TV was on. Took me a bit to figure out it was the cats . . .

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    Just so long as they don't (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:33:15 PM EST
    annoy the neighbors or figure out how to order PPV. . .

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    Thankfully (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:40:11 PM EST
    They rate very high on good neighbor relations, especially the Dot. She's very quite and literally only barks for a good reason in the home.

    If they start ordering PPV, they are going to need jobs outside the home! They all know how to work for dinner etc, but beyond that, it's on them  ;)

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    contortionist (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by souvarine on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:19:59 PM EST
    Wow, I haven't read Al since he was defending the AIG bonuses (poutrage). The contortions he goes through to blame everything he objects to in Obama's foreign policy on Hillary Clinton are remarkable. Never let it be said that he is the sort, when faced with facts, to change his opinion.

    Hatch (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:56:05 PM EST
    no on Sotomayor.

    Given the Utah electorate's recent proclivity for primaries, probably not a bad idea for him. Bad for the Republican party, though.

    Yes, nutcase Cannon (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:40:09 PM EST
    got successfully primaried.  

    Hatch could probably get away with it--but it would be uncomfortable for him.

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    Zelaya Crosses Border into Honduras (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:58:23 PM EST
    LAS MANOS, Nicaragua (CNN) -- Ousted Honduran President Jose Manuel Zelaya walked under a border chain Friday and returned to his country nearly a month after being removed by a military-led coup.

    "I am not afraid when I work for a just and noble cause," Zelaya said to someone on a cell phone moments after crossing the border, surrounded by scores of cheering supporters.

    Honduran troops had been blocking the border but did not stop him from fulfilling his vow to return after being removed by a military-led coup in June.

    His arrival at the border came minutes after police and soldiers fired on his supporters in El Paraiso, CNN en Español correspondent Jorge Jimenez said. Two people were wounded, he said.

    Neither the shooting nor the injuries could be independently corroborated.

    The police and soldiers fired tear gas at the demonstrators for about 15 to 20 minutes before letting off a barrage of 15 to 20 shots, Jimenez said.

    About 1,500 police and soldiers have faced off with Zelaya supporters in El Paraiso, about seven miles (12 kilometers) from the border with Nicaragua.

    The apparent shootings happened minutes after Zelaya held a news conference on the Nicaraguan side of the border and asked police and soldiers to let him back into his country.

    "Allow me to return to my country," Zelaya said, directly addressing his nation's police and army. "To embrace my fellow countrymen, my children, my wife, my mother."

    CNN

    Hillary Chimes In (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:28:50 PM EST
    The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, has described Mr Zelaya's return as "reckless" and not contributing to "the broader effort to restore democratic and constitutional order in the Honduras crisis".

    [snip]

    The ousted leader's attempt to return follows the collapse of talks in Costa Rica, mediated by the country's President, Oscar Arias.




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    Sometimes I think (none / 0) (#15)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:44:07 PM EST
    that 90% of Hillary's job description is to go around saying, "That's not helpful."

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    But does it help? (none / 0) (#20)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:01:29 PM EST
    I dunno (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:03:58 PM EST
    but there's a lot of unhelpful behavior in the world today, that's for sure.

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    and Hil points it out. (none / 0) (#25)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:04:57 PM EST
    Somebody has to.

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    I'm no expert on foreign policy (or anything (none / 0) (#26)
    by tigercourse on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:06:15 PM EST
    else really) but it doesn't seem like Clinton is particularly effective at her job. I know I certainly heard alot more about what the past few Secretaries of State did then what she does.

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    Compared to the last eight years (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:34:06 PM EST
    Adam Sandler would be an improvement.  

    That said, the job of the SoS is to carry out the administration's foreign policy.  Exactly what that policy is and how well HRH carries it out is still a bit unclear.

    I'm not sure what GWB's foreign policy goals were other than to act like an international bully and create a general feeling of ill will towards the USofA.  Oh, and to intentionally neglect the Israel/Mid East situation in order to further destabilize the region.  Eight years on the job and he left nearly as clueless on foreign policy as he went in.

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    I'm likely off base but Rice didn't seem (none / 0) (#31)
    by tigercourse on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:36:34 PM EST
    to have any big mistakes as Sec State (though she was horrible as National Security Advisor) and seemed to be doing alot more then Clinton is. Powell was of course an epic disaster.

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    Rice always seemed to be shopping for couture. (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by iceblinkjm on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:43:42 PM EST
    She seemed to know a lot about Russia and Cold War era policy but seemed out of touch on a variety of issues.

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    You could go a long time (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:08:00 PM EST
    and still not see anything quite as ugly as Rice's dismissal of the bloody Israel-Lebanon war as "the birth pangs of a new Middle East."

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    Well, Powell had the title (none / 0) (#40)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:26:30 PM EST
    but Cheney was the SOS.

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    Perhaps? (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:48:14 PM EST
    It is because she has only been at the job 6 months. From my estimation she is doing a great job.

    The shift from confrontation (yer either with us or against us) to 'smart power' is really good. The international community sees US in a much better light, from what I have read and heard.

    Regarding the Honduras situation, is appears to me that we are in favor of the right wing coup Micheletti et al., and just want Zelaya to disappear.

    The talks failed. Zelaya will be arrested. Looks like it is going to get bloody.

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    She's also been dealing with (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:04:56 PM EST
    the elbow injury for the past month and had to curtail her travel a bit. She's not as much of a spotlight worker either.

    I like seeing the receptions she gets on her travels. 'Smart power' is sure looking better than cowboy 'tude.

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    what did you expect, 6 months in? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:16:57 PM EST
    She'll be on MTP Sunday. (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:54:30 PM EST
    Update (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:28:24 PM EST
    He stayed only about 15 minutes on his native soil, before leading the crowd back across the border into safe haven in Nicaragua.  

    [snip]

    It was not immediately clear whether Honduran forces had tried to arrest him.



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    D#mn Yankees. (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:03:37 PM EST


    MWahaaahhhaaahaaa! (none / 0) (#9)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:12:42 PM EST
    Go see mine up-thread.

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    Rooting for the Yankees... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:40:55 PM EST
    is like rooting for Officer Crowley in his battle against injustice...chew on that scribe!

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    HEY! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:56:31 PM EST
    You've just offended my Yankee!!

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    I hope there is a Mr. or Mrs. Met... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:02:23 PM EST
    to go along with that cutie:)

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    Another yr or so (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:04:43 PM EST
    and there will be a Shea :) Mr Met is pretty cute for a name though . . . hmmmmm.

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    Go with Shea.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:12:18 PM EST
    so the others creatures don't make fun of him.

    The man who saved National League Baseball in NY...not a shabby namesake.  Even if it is too often a shabby brand of baseball:)

    I almost wish Madoff had cleaned the Wilpons out so they'd have to sell...they're running a kangaroo organization.  

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    Shea it is! (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:09:00 PM EST
    He can always be my lil' Mister Met at the same time :)

    Yankee's full name is Yankee Smudge-face Smith and his Big Mitts.

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    "Whatever Lola wants..... (none / 0) (#41)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:27:30 PM EST
    Lola gets...."

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    Special order speeches (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:12:38 PM EST
    Invented in their modern form by Newt Gingrich. Hey, it's free TV. . .

    Drivers must be a lot more cautious (none / 0) (#12)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:39:23 PM EST
    and courteous in Japan than here!

    Many years ago, (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:35:40 PM EST
    when the whole Northeast had a power outage, I was in the small city of Poughkeepsie, NY. On normal days, the fast growing city was a nightmare of gridlock. But, on the night of the outage, traffic flowed as smooth as honey.

    Something happened to the drivers; caution, courtesy, and common sense took over, and I couldn't believe how people cooperating together in a common cause could have such wonderful results.  

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    I remember that day (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:24:01 PM EST
    I was at a clients out on LI. Luckily, the person I was working with out there lived by me and had pets she wanted to get home to (we're both top floor folks and in the summer heat, you tend to worry about your pets). The ride home was pretty darn tame considering how it normally is. She was in the "leave immediately" mindset and I think we actually beat the "rush" of those not knowing how long it would last. Next day I went to my local animal shelter where they had turned the back of the pickup into a pool and there was a BBQ going on.

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    Ditto for Hurricane Ike here. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:18:51 PM EST
    Widespread power outages for up to a week.

    It took about 48 hours for people to remember how to do a four way stop properly and efficiently.  It also took that long for drivers to figure out that their expected commute times would be a bit longer than usual.

    It was quite the sight to see this work with highway off ramps though - two lanes east bound, two lanes west bound, one turn lane for the on ramp and three turn lanes for the off ramp.  It worked though!

    My favorite place to drive is near campus on the two way residential streets with only a single lane and parking on both sides of the street.  You amble slowly up the road, always looking for oncoming vehicles.  When two cars are heading towards each other, one finds a gap in the parked cars or a side street and pulls over and allows the other one to pass.  The usual "thank you!" waves are exchanged and each vehicle goes on its merry way.  

    This always works perfectly.  It's an example of managing expectations.  Everyone expects to pull over, the driver who can do so the most easily does so, and there is no road rage or cars blocking the road, bumper to bumper.  And there are no instructions posted anywhere - or warnings for that matter.  [You are now entering a two way, one lane street.  Please be prepared to yield to an oncoming vehicle.] People are smart and are quite capable of figuring things out.  

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    Yup, incredible, isn't it (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:32:16 PM EST
    how nice and smooth things work when everyone cooperates.

    Like, when two lanes merge into one; things go so smooth: one from the left, one from the right, one from the left, and so on. It's when that one schmuck who hugs the bumper in front of him/her that the back-ups happen. Grrrrr!

    I'm adamadantly against the death penalty, however........:)

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    When it's my rear bumper being hugged (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:07:22 PM EST
    so the person behind me can keep from letting someone in, I slow way down and let 2-4 cars enter in front of me.

    Where I live, it is actually against the law to disregard a turn signal. If a car needs to change lanes, and signals properly their intent, it is unlawful to prevent them from doing so.


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    good law (none / 0) (#69)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 07:57:19 AM EST
    I like it.

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    With the traffic light set like that, it's (none / 0) (#14)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:41:32 PM EST
    only a matter of time until you get something like this, and then something like this.  And, ultimately, this.

    As long as it keeps them (none / 0) (#28)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:27:15 PM EST
    off the street, it's all good!

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    Don't think I want to visit (none / 0) (#19)
    by SOS on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:00:58 PM EST
    Honduras for a while.

    Al Franken's official picture (none / 0) (#44)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:36:33 PM EST
    is up. It's pretty good IMSNHO.

    Venceremos? (none / 0) (#50)
    by someTV on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:31:25 PM EST
    Are we talking about Venceremos ("We Shall Overcome") Organization, a California Maoist leftist group"?

    What We Need (none / 0) (#68)
    by bob h on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 05:01:05 AM EST
    is an "authentic mass movement" for healthcare here right now.  I wish Giordano could help out with this.