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I turned on 20/20 which is doing a special on the truth about oil and they started with quips of Sarah Palin and "drill baby drill." But it's a serious documentary narrated by Charles Gibson.

I've been gone all day and am just catching up. Anything good happen?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Anything good happen? Well, yes -- (5.00 / 13) (#1)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:27:45 PM EST
    my son, my firstborn, got married today.  And I would say that I couldn't have wished for a more wonderful daughter-in-law . . . except that she is all I ever could have wished for him.  

    So the best part of that being the something good that happened today is: Even better will be tomorrow and the next day and the days and years and decades after that.  And what more could a mother want for her son, her firstborn?

    Well, okay.  And she's beautiful, too. :-)

    Heartfelt congratulations! (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:41:14 PM EST
    How well I know that feeling of complete peace in one's heart when it comes to who our children choose to spend their lives with.  My daughter and her husband celebrated their second anniversary in April, and seeing how their connection just gets deeper and richer is just pure joy for me - I can well imagine you are feeling that for your son and daughter-in-law, too.

    All good wishes to you and the happy couple, and here's to a lifetime of love and laughs and a strong bond that bends, but never breaks!


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    Mazel tov! (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:52:15 PM EST
    Best wishes to the bride and groom (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:58:39 PM EST
    and of course, to the mother of the groom.

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    Lovely news! (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Radiowalla on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:25:53 PM EST
    And so nice that you shared it here.  
    May they enjoy many years of happiness together!

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    Congrats, what great news (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:44:05 PM EST
    very happy for you and your firstborn and his bride.

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    Congratulations (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:49:30 PM EST
    Sometimes I think about what it will be like to give my little ones away someday.

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    Don't blink (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:10:23 PM EST
    "I can't believe it; it seems like only yesterday..........."

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    Congratulations (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by eric on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:20:39 AM EST
    to you and the couple.  I must say that you remind me of my own mother in your pride.  Three years ago, I brought my girlfriend (at the time) to a family gathering, and my mom took me aside and said, you should marry this girl!

    And I did.  After all, I am the a first-born listening to the advice of his mother!

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    Let me add my congratulations to (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:18:47 AM EST
    both the newlyweds and you.

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    Congratulations! (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 08:43:16 AM EST
    I hope when my sons choose life partners that they are blessed with someone who will love them completely for who they are and who will be strong wonderful people in their own right.
    It is probably what I hope for them more than anything else.

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    You pegged it -- that describes (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 10:02:48 AM EST
    my daughter-in-law -- and her spouse, my son.  One of her lines from our many emails (as they had to be apart for many months, awaiting her fiance visa -- have I mentioned how horrible our immigration laws and processes are? -- was when she wrote me that I was not the only feminist in the family:-).

    Btw, your description sure doesn't describe the previous candidate for daughter-in-law . . . so that only adds to my gratitude to the fates today.  

    And thanks to all for good thoughts above.  And to Steve M, it really is not just a saying that when our children marry well, we don't lose them; we gain more great kids-in-law.  And with the ages of your progeny now, look at it this way:  The kids-in-law arrive in our lives already potty-trained.

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    Congratulations!!! (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:03:37 PM EST
    And, it only gets better from here.

    I've enjoyed 4 years of watching my daughter in a perfect marriage, and expanding into such a happy family. I look forward to my son making an equally appropriate choice when he marries.

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    Congrats, (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:03:41 PM EST
    Cream, to you and yours

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    So happy for you all (none / 0) (#66)
    by ruffian on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:28:33 PM EST
    I remember your efforts with immigration and am glad for the happy ending/beginning.

    Congratulations to the family!

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    Thanks for remembering! (none / 0) (#68)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:46:36 PM EST
    Yes, we got through getting her here and getting the wedding done fast -- not only owing to the deadline for doing so but even faster so that we can get going on the next part.  Getting here is only the start, long as that took.

    Now that they're wed, she can apply for a different visa (for another $1000-plus) that will allow her to look for work.  Until she gets it, I remain her financial sponsor, since my son also is looking for work, now that he has a degree.  But she already has had several years in her career, one with expertise that we need in this country, so it's not that she'll be taking work away from others here.  Still, it took soooo long (and cost almost $1000) to get through the steps for the approval just to get her here.

    Also, now that they're wed, she can apply for a Social Security number, from which so much else flows -- she still is having to do international banking with its extra fees.  There is a way to get a temp SS number, but the U.S. embassy advised that it's better to marry fast and apply then rather than have to switch numbers, etc.

    And I'm sure that there are more steps and more costs, as we sure don't make this friendly.

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    Farming in Brooklyn (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:30:29 PM EST
    Couple of versions here and here

    I absolutely love that my 'hood has gotten more CSAs and farmers markets and is getting into the growing end (Rooftop Farms). Tomorrow I'm getting lettuce, mustard greens, carrots, cucumbers, fresh onions, herbs, fresh garlic from my produce farmer. Also eggs, fresh flowers, and at least 3 types of fruit  :)

    Cool! (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:07:41 PM EST
    Sometimes the CSA goodies sound so lovely, I almost wish I didn't have my own veg garden...  I keenly miss the thrill of going to the weekly farmers market, but when you have almost all the same stuff in your home garden, it takes the excitement out of it.  Not that I'm complaining, it's just a little sad that it's sort of a zero-sum game in that respect.

    I'm in the brief but wonderful period when I have late strawberries, early red raspberries and black raspberries all at once, enough for a small bowl of mixed berries every day for a week or so.  I'm fixing a batch of baked stuffed zucchini tonight for dinner and for freezing, using my own squash and onions and basil and smothering with last year's tomato sauce.

    Spring peas are only now on their last legs, and they produced incredibly abundantly, so I've been blanching and freezing a lot for winter.  Planted a new batch for fall, and I'm anxiously waiting for them to germinate.

    Trying a new/old variety of early sweetcorn called Dorinny, which has shocked me by putting up tassels and sprouting silk already when the stalks are less than 5 feet.  If it's good corn, I'll be real happy to have found it because I get so much wind that it often knocks down the real tall varieties at some point during the summer.

    I was able to pick my first cherry tomato of the season today and moaned with pleasure at how good it tasted, but I'm fighting a rearguard battle with that old debbil early blight, the plague of wet cool summers, to try to fend it off long enough to get a decent crop from my slicing and paste tomatoes.  I wasn't aggressive enough with it last year, and every one of my plants defoliated and then collapsed on the ground before more than about half the fruit ripened.

    I'm clipping off the lower branches this year as soon as a leaf starts to show any sign of blight, which seems to be slowing its progress, but it's still a race to see whether the tomatoes will ripen before the plant is consumed by the disease.    At this point, all my plants look like they've had a "Brazilian," they're so naked at the bottom.

    Cukes are producing nicely, the potato plants are loaded with flowers and seem to be flourishing despite the awful weather, which I guess shouldn't be surprising considering they grow so well in the British isles!  I tried planting a cantaloupe this year for the first time, and it's aggressively trying to take over the whole garden and putting out flowers like crazy, but I rather doubt it'll have enough warmth and sun to produce anything edible.  It's pretty marginal this far north at best anyway. Sigh.

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    I'm so in envy (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31:05 PM EST
    I wish I could have the satisfaction of growing my own. I bow down to my food farmers for helping me out. I think even when I do grow my own, I'll still be hitting the farmers market (space restrictions). I will def keep in mind the benefits of both.

    You sound like you are getting a lovely, consistent haul!!!! Don't count your cantaloupe out. We haven't seen ours yet,  but I can't wait until we do ;) O.M.G., they are usually beyond good!!

    The weather pattern may change next yr. What doesn't happen this yr, may surprise you next. We're starting a running joke with me not running my AC. And it includes my UPS guys :)

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    Three out of the last four (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 08:42:32 AM EST
    summers have been like this, or some variation-- a full month of heavy rain in June one year, a full month of heavy rain in July one year, then this year where there's been more moderate rain but cool and cloudy since April and predicted to continue right through fall.  It's been an absolute killer for the already struggling dairy farmers, who haven't had two dry warm days in a row to get their hay in and whose feed corn is having a terrible time, yet again.  That's on top of bulk milk prices being only about half the cost it takes to produce.  Ugh.

    Everybody's grumbling that if they had wanted to live in Washington state, they'd have moved there!

    My main problem this year, other than the d**n tomato blight which I'm getting really, really weary of having to fight so hard every year, has been with beans, which have largely refused to germinate.  I started a bunch in peat pots, which helped, but they really require a modicum of sun and warmth to grow well.  Thank God for the peas!

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    {pout} no tomatoes this year (none / 0) (#67)
    by nycstray on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:33:11 PM EST
    They lost the crop to blight.

    I'm going to be hitting up several farmers markets so I can get my year's supply canned.

    Sorry about your beans. I love fresh beans and peas. My mom just emailed me back re the truck farm. She liked the idea as you could move the truck around depending on how much sun you needed.

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    Wish I had known you wanted tomatoes... (none / 0) (#70)
    by vml68 on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:03:37 PM EST
    My dad down in SC got a bumper crop of tomatoes and beans this year. He gave away about 50 lbs of tomatoes to the neighbors at the end of June. I would have happily carted some back for you.
    Now he has pulled out all the plants because he will be out of the country for awhile.

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    aww, thanks for the nice thought! (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:44:55 PM EST
    I just learned today they lost the crop.

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    Oh, too bad! (none / 0) (#89)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 08:55:15 AM EST
    I assume that was the really awful so-called "late blight" that came up via shipments of infected plants from Alabama and has since spread all over the NE on the wind.  It kills plants in less than a week.  I suspect your grower pulled and destroyed all their plants as soon as the first sign of it appeared in hopes of keeping it from getting to the potatoes.  Such a tragedy.

    It's confusing because "late blight" is usually earlier than our common and less destructive "early blight."  Arrgh.

    Early blight is not a big problem in a normal summer, but in weather like this, where the leaves are moist and cool and can grow fungus like crazy, it will eventually kill the plants over a period of a month or so.  So it's a matter of fighting it off long enough to let at least some of the crop ripen.

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    Yup, it was the late blight (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by nycstray on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 01:22:22 PM EST
    this was posted on the 21st but written around the 16th as it came in our weekly share email. One of the other core members told me on Sat., so it's def a fast mover.

    I'm not sure where the plants were in regards to the potatoes (they have a couple of different fields). I'm hoping they were in the opposite wind direction also . . . from what I heard yesterday, potatoes are still going strong and not infected, yet . . . .

    I've been weather watching the upstate region more intensely lately with all the nutty storm activity we've been having.

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    Today I found a biodegradable (none / 0) (#29)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:39:39 AM EST
    clumping cat litter that's made of corn cobs. That's about as close as I get to agriculture. I'm obsessed with decorative gardening - shade gardening mostly. My yard gets so little sun.

    Anybody know of any vegetables that will grow in shade?

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    Lettuce! (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 08:26:01 AM EST
    Most greens are fine with minimal sun.  Takes them longer to grow to harvesting size, but then they don't bolt as early.  Of course, they won't grow in total dark shade, such as next to the north side of a building, but partial or filtered shade is fine with them.  You can even plant them right at the front of your decorative garden border.  Red lettuces particularly are very pretty plants.

    What all have you got in your shade garden?  I started gardening in my mother's extensive shady, woodsy garden and just loved it.  Where I live now, I have only very small shady spots I can garden in, it's all full all-day sun, so I've had to learn how to garden all over again, it's so very different.

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    There was an article in our local (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31:29 PM EST
    community newspaper, about a man who has had an on-your-honor vegetable stand for years and years.  

    Percy Thornton works seven acres and is... 99 years old.

    No joke!

    God's Bounty

    Percy Thornton sits in the shade behind his vegetable stand sorting beets. Slowly and methodically, he gathers six beets that dangle from leafy stalks and ties them together with twine he snips off with a small pocketknife.

    After he has a nice pile, he puts them on "Percy's Self-Service" stand on Troyer Road in White Hall. In a day or two, the beet bunches will be gone and Thornton will find a mound of dollar bills inside the stand's locked metal box with a slot in the top.

    Thornton -- who says he will turn 99 on Sept. 9 but some relatives believe it is his 100th birthday -- never knows if people overpaid, underpaid or simply walked off with the fruits of his labors.

    But he knows he hasn't seen the last of those beets.

    "Some of my customers will pickle 'em, then bring those beets back and give 'em to me," Thornton says. "I have lovely, honest customers who treat me right because I treat them the way the Lord wants. God is keeping me alive for a reason. I used to preach at church. Now I preach at the stand."

    His preaching style is more "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord" than fire and brimstone. It's not his back-breaking work that produced lush vegetables and fruits, he says. It's God's work.

    A few people simply want to buy tomatoes, watermelons, corn or squash and be on their way. They zip in, slide money in the slot and leave without a sermon; without a word to or from Thornton.

    But most customers flock to the stand for produce with a promise of paradise.

    "We started as customers 18 or 19 years ago, and over time we've gotten to know Percy as a friend," says Dick Hebrank, of White Hall, who brought his wife, Marge, and daughter, Deb. On this particular day they arrive with Marge's homemade applesauce and a pineapple-upside-down cake. "We see him at least once a week now and we'll just sit for a few hours talking, even in the winter. He is a gracious man."

    Thornton's poor hearing is his only concession to age as he approaches the century mark. He spends all day, every day from spring through fall working 7 acres off Troyer Road.

    Tomatoes are his best-sellers, so this year he put in 300 plants that he started from seeds saved from last year's crop.

    He is mighty proud of his sweet corn, just starting to form tassels in mid-July. Towering sunflowers provide shade for his cucumbers, and row after straight row of plants sprout kale, carrots, beets, cabbage, onions, potatoes, beans, peas, broccoli, watermelon, cantaloupe, pumpkins and squash.

    Each year, he jump-starts his stand by buying produce from a friend on the Eastern Shore, but as soon as his plot starts producing, everything on the stand belongs to Thornton. He visits grocery stores to check prices and then sets his a few pennies below.

    "There's not a lot of profit, and if elderly or poor come around, I'll give them vegetables for nothing," he says. "I live a good, clean life and I try not to overcharge. It's that simple."

    99 years young, I think, not old...

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    I'm not religious (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:51:42 PM EST
    but I totally go for it with the Pastor we work with to help feed folks.

    Thanks for posting this! I've been seeing more and more stories where people/churches are involved in growing for the community. When I spoke with "our pastor" a couple weeks ago, he told me about the reaction/impact out fresh food had at the family shelter. {cheers and song}. We have done a couple week canned food dive for them on top of our "leftovers"* It's amazing what fresh food can do for a community.

    MAJOR high5 to Percy Thornton and his efforts!!

    * our "leftovers" equal about 6-10 large boxes a week of fresh produce. Our farmers are very generous ;)

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    Anyone seen specific details of this agreement? (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:07:56 PM EST
    House Democrats announced agreement Friday on far-reaching steps designed to rein in the relentless growth of Medicare, part of a concerted effort to counter the impression that President Barack Obama's health care legislation is in deep trouble.
    link

    Doesn't that kill you? (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31:21 PM EST
    "Far-reaching" but without giving us so much as a hint about what it involves.  Did somebody say the media was falling down on the job?  Good grief!

    I can only hope this mostly relates to Medicare Part D and its unconsionable giveaway to Big Pharma.

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    I believe that most of the plans on the table (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:33:03 PM EST
    kill the private component of Part D. Or at least make it much less profitable for Pharma.

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    I just wish that they will tell us (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:40:34 PM EST
    exactly what the agreement contains.

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    It's in flux (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:42:25 PM EST
    This is how bills get passed. Now you have some idea of why Hillary tried to do what she did in the 1990s. It's the other side of the coin.

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    Well, as always Mo, I agree with you... (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:04:03 AM EST
    But they would have to forgo their nuanced thinking in order to tell us low-information voters exactly what anything actually means, out here in the real world

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    It kills me that the DINOcrats (none / 0) (#32)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:59:55 AM EST
    (including Obama) are running the table, on behalf of their financial benefactors.

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    Holy $hit on a half-shell... (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:51:04 AM EST
    The obama Administration wants to rein in the relentless growth of Medicare. Well, pardon us for having the temerity to grow sick and elderly.

    When are people gonna wake up and believe their lying eyes! I'd say this "really frosts my cupcakes", but that's Anne's line.  

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    How about expanding medicare to ... (5.00 / 6) (#39)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 05:48:31 AM EST
    cover everyone?  That's what a majority of the American people want.

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    And, it seems Medicare for all is (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 10:10:57 AM EST
    what some people think is being developed.  The "reform" settled upon  will, in all likelihood,  carry  disappointments, both in coverage and costs.  It is being presented, essentially, as free--financed by "reform" of Medicare with its proposed gigantic savings and surcharges or other taxes just on those households in the $500,000 to $1 million annual  income category. You would think that the successful Medicare model, appropriately modified for an expanded age group and preventative care,  would be the most forthright and economic approach. But, even Medicare (in addition, of course, to the payroll taxes) is not free, there are monthly premiums, on a sliding income scale, supplemental insurance premiums to private carriers, and, additional monthly premiums for part D coverage.

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    Our "free" Medicare (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 11:40:22 AM EST
    cost around $625 a month (two of us) plus co-pays for drugs and then around $4400 out of pocket for drugs to cover the doughnut hole. So Part D isn't perfect but without it we would be paying around $8000 this year for drugs and that includes buying some from Canada via the Internet.

    So my guess is that our medical care expense this year is in the $14,000 range.

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    Sounds high (none / 0) (#55)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:01:25 PM EST
    My elderly dad pays $65 per month in Medicare premium, no co-pay, and has supplemental insurance. For that he pays $203 per month. His prescriptions are covered 100% by the VA. My mother recently passed, but her expenses were the same as his, excepting the prescriptions...she had a discount on those as the spouse of a Veteran, but most drugs were on the $4 generic list.

    For how many doctors she had to see (sometimes 5 appts in a week), they would have gone broke on co-pays.

    Why is your Medicare so different from theirs?


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    It does seem high although the (none / 0) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:42:07 PM EST
    total costs can add up fast. For example, it  may include Part B at a higher rate than the basic $94.40 per month (e.g $308.50 per month for married with gross adjusted income of $426,000--the highest level for 2009), supplemental coverage to private insurers and Part D insurance premiums.  Usually there are no premiums for Part A, unless there is less than 40 or more quarters of Medicare- covered employment.  Never-the-less, Medicare is a bargain in costs incurred and care given. And, of course,  availability for that "pre-existing condition",  old age.

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    Here tis (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:01:08 PM EST
    Figures are for my spouse and me.  Medicare A - B about $200. Supplemental $340. Medicare Part D - $80. That's $640.   That's $7680.

    Part D out of pocket $4350 plus about $1000 more. About $2000 for me.  That's about $14000.

    So far we have had some good results with Brand and Generic drugs out of Canada. A three month supply of one that has no generic is about $600 less.

    It goes without saying that is $14000 not being spent on a new car or a trip, etc. And we are fortunate to be able to pay it and still enjoy a nice life style.  We have friends who are being pushed to the limit.


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    Adds up fast.... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:14:11 PM EST
    So, the difference between yours and my folks is in the drugs? My parents never did sign on to Part D because of the Veteran's benefit my dad gets (he lost his right arm in WWII).

    Do you have the Generic program where you are? Some 500 drugs are on the list, and they're available at $4 for a month's supply, or $10 for 3 months.

    My aunt used to order her medications from Canada via the internet, but she got a notice that her medications were being held in customs and that scared her, so she never ordered again.

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    Drugs plus (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:12:00 PM EST
    about $40 more a month each for Medicare... (Payments are somewhat means tested.)

    Our GP does a super job on using generics and so far no problem with the Canadian pharms...

    As a side note. Both Walmart and Walgreen have extensive generic lists I would guess that CVS and others also do. BUT generics are not exact duplicates so in rare cases they cause problems.

    I love it when I hear people claiming a single payer system would make people wait to see a GP... I can't see mine any quicker than about two weeks..now. But she is a member of a clinic that has convenience care so if I come down with the flu, or such, I go there. All records are computerized and the Docs there can see what my GP sees. Works great. If the convenience Doc need to consult they can call the GP, and if I need to call and ask a question the GP always returns calls because she has a time set aside for just that.

    But all in all, getting old is not for Sissies.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#75)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:33:35 PM EST
    My mother died a couple of months ago after 10+ months that included 2 10-12 day hospital stays and an average of 2 doctor visits a week. The number of expensive (and I do mean expensive - $1400 shots for anemia every other week, just as a start) treatments and extensive expensive tests were never denied by medicare (even though I think they should have been).

    The hospital she preferred (convenience) was surrounded by clinics full of specialists, and she stayed within that group. They had a masterful cross-selling program in place. They used her for every dime they could squeeze out of medicare...one hospital nurse even admitted that they take as many tests as they can on the elderly while they are in the hospital just so the doctors can get practice!!  Those are areas where I think medicare could improve and reduce some costs.

    The hospital could have cared less that those invasive tests were breaking my mom down, and when I refused to allow them to start the cycle over again on the second hospital visit, they actually did stop treating her completely and refused to perform a necessary procedure. She died within days. This medical group actually did see the elderly as disposable. We owe it to ourselves to learn about our own illnesses, the treatments that are available, and how to manage our own care.
     

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    The problem is (none / 0) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 06:31:34 PM EST
    that when you "AMA" - against medical advice - it gets tricky, but if they refused a necessary procedure I would take it to the state board. That's the best and cheapest way to get their attention. Or you can always claim wrongful death criminal or civil or both.

    Fortunately we have had nothing but good experiences.

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    If I'm not mistaken, (none / 0) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:58:41 PM EST
    there are Medicare Part D options that pay for drugs during the what would otherwise be the donut hole. Of course, they have higher monthly premiums. Have you looked at these plans to see if they might not be more cost effective?  

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    Various plans offer various options (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 06:02:51 PM EST
    but basically they are all very close. I did a detailed cost analysis last fall of 4 plans..

    There are three levels. The Platinum Plans pay for generics within the doughnut hole my analysis showed that the monthly premium was too high for what you get but might be different depending on the patient. If you use a lot of generics for example. Typically the premium difference was $65/mth or $720/year vs the Gold Plan.

    The trick is how fast you get to the doughnut hole which is $2700. If you require some of the high priced non-generics you can get to $2700 like Zap!

    If you are on Spiriva, Advair and Singular a 3 month supply is right near $1500. towards the $2700. You will have paid $300. in co-pays. Remember it isn't what you pay that counts towards the cap but what you and company pays..

     

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    These disscussions (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 10:41:59 AM EST
    seem to point out a general feeling--that Medicare is a very good program.  Structurally, it is single payer embedded with private insurers and management.  Free choice exists for physicians and hospitals, and, it is particularly sensitive, in the payment of testing (with limits, such a PSA once a year, for example).  Part D, is its newest addition, of course. It does not cover all costs but makes them manageable for many who otherwise would be deciding between needed drugs and eating cat food.  The illustrations do underscore the point that Medicare is not free, but provides good care and provides it to those with preexisting conditions, including old age.  My big worry in trying to analyze the "reform", which is like nailing jello to a tree, is that the programs are to be financed, almost by half, with "savings" from Medicare--which means cuts to providers and cuts in benefits, masquerading as efficiencies, the position of AARP aside.   Medicare, itself, needs shoring up,not cutting down.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 10:49:56 AM EST
    But Obama doesn't want to step up to the cost issue.

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    No leadership at all (none / 0) (#91)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 26, 2009 at 10:46:07 AM EST
    on that score, the president or congress.  No taxes, no taxes, is the mantra.  It will be fine if it is free, otherwise, no.

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    Sounds like MedPac (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32:02 PM EST
    It's not the most horrible thing. Krugman is in favor of it, for example.

    The problem is that it takes even more power away from an ever-shrinking Congress.

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    And puts a lot of that power in the (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:39:13 PM EST
    hands of the president; I'm not at all sure I want any president with that much control over Medicare - I have qualms about how committed Obama is to Medicare, and I for sure do not trust a Republican president to not gut a program the GOP has been trying to kill for years.

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    It would all depend on how the appointments (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:41:33 PM EST
    would work. Congress would probably try to weight them in favor of itself.

    Of course, if at the end of the day the people elect a Republican trifecta, there's not much you can do anyway. Even when George Bush had that he didn't destroy Medicare.

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    Ditto and more... (none / 0) (#31)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:55:27 AM EST
    I don't trust a DINO President "to not gut a program the GOP has been trying to kill for years".

    I mean, how screwed are we really, on a scale of 1-10?


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    Who passed Medicare Part D? (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 10:46:25 AM EST
    If my memory serves it was Bush, over the opposition of Teddy and his enablers.

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    Medicare Part D was (none / 0) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 11:26:46 AM EST
    an excellent contribution from several perspectives.  Of course, it filled a need previously unmet, and, in the process, strengthened the Medicare program.  Initially, I had reservations about its effectiveness including AARP support and its possible conflict of interest.  Moreover, it took some study to unravel the options so as to make an intelligent recommendation to my father-in-law.  But, save for the donut-hole, it is, on balance, a good and needed addition.  The program in place if not "reformed ," but appropriately adjusted, should continue to serve the country's elderly. The enactment of Part D, imperfect, yet one that could be developed over time, gives hope for what may emerge from present considerations.  However, the situations are different in that the program (as with Medicare in 1965) provided for what did not previously exist for most citizens; the program now being considered is not in the same category and invites broader comparisons.

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    As usual, I agree with Anne (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:44:31 PM EST
    The executive branch already has too much power. I definitely don't this or any future president to have that much control.

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    If Congress had the will, it could assert (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:49:03 PM EST
    more authority over the agencies. It is a coequal branch, it has the spending power, and it creates them by statute.

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    According to PNHP, (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Anne on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:00:40 AM EST
    There has been intense interest in providing the administration with greater control over Medicare spending in order to bend down the trajectory of projected increases in spending. Members of Congress and the administration have been considering an Independent Medical Advisory Council (IMAC) much like the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), but with one very important difference.

    Currently MedPAC serves only in an advisory capacity to Congress, and any recommendations must be specifically enacted by Congress. Under this proposal, IMAC would have the power to put into force these recommendations, with the approval of the President. Congress's power would be limited to the ability to reject, by a joint resolution of Congress, the intact, full package of IMAC reforms and updates.

    Further:

    An Independent Medical Advisory Council might have some legitimate role in our dysfunctional multi-payer system, but no matter how noble the recommendations, it cannot begin to correct the severe deficiencies in both our health care financing and our health care delivery system. To do that it would take the fundamental structural reform of a single payer national health program.

    The Blue Dogs have demanded an IMAC or independent MedPAC, and the amendments are being prepared to include the concept in the tri-committee legislation. It will be yet another patch on a financing framework that is structurally unsound. Those still wanting to move the proverbial deck chairs around need to be reminded of the condition of the framework of the Titanic.

    link

    I just think that in the context of a system that looks like it's going to remain essentially broken, the danger is that IMAC would be the go-to option to keep trying to get control of costs that are out of control precisely because the system is still broken - and because it would not need the Congress to approve any of its recommendations - it could only disapprove of them - I think it's too much power.


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    that "joint resolution" business (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:05:11 AM EST
    looks like a legislative veto, which the Supreme Court has disallowed. So I'm not sure this can really work.

    Someone who knows the law in this area a little better might be able to say.

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    Did anyone catch Moyer's ... (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 05:41:02 AM EST
    convo on Healthcare yesterday?  Very good overview and discussion.

    You can watch it here.

    Mick Jagger turned 66 today (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45:00 PM EST
    had I known earlier I would have put up a stones song. What would be a good birthday song for him?

    mother's little helper, of course (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by The Last Whimzy on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:37:10 AM EST
    DUH!!

    what a drag it is getting old!

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    perfect (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:05:09 AM EST
    I'll do it first thing in the morning. Thanks!

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    There's also "Forever Young" (none / 0) (#37)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:29:14 AM EST
    Dylan and Springsteen live: LINK.

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    OY. I can't even think of a BDay song (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:58:44 PM EST
    I need to get over the age first, lol!~

    My all time fav?/P.I.A. song was B!tch. We started doing a rendition of it while backpacking miles of straight up switchbacks. Not a pretty sight, lol!~  ;) D@mn song stuck with us for 2 weeks . . .

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    Roxy Music for Mick Jagger (none / 0) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:22:50 AM EST
    who stole Jerry Hall away from Bryan Ferry: More Than This (There is Nothing). It's a rather odd music video, but Bryan Ferry looks DREAMY and the sound is clear as a bell.

    I've always seen this song as a melancholic, and stoic, rumination on how one's perspective changes relative to stage of life. Bill Murray did the penultimate, pathos-laden, karaoke version in Lost in Translation. I cried.

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    Cambridge Incident (none / 0) (#45)
    by Lacy on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 10:44:53 AM EST
    The police report of the Gates arrest is on Smoking Gun and reveals some interesting facts and inferences.

    The woman called 911 from the Harvard Crimson house next door where she regularly worked...Crowley says he arrived and the caller, Lucia Whalen, was out on the sidewalk and Mr Gates was visible through his glass storm door. Crowley fails to say what Whalen then said as she could then presumably see the man was the next door resident. Since Crowley approached without gun drawn on a supposed home invader, we should presume what he does not say, i.e., that he already knew Gates was a person in his own residence.

    Additional subtle deception is noticeable in the report when Crowley states he walks up to the Harvard Crimson house but only observes Ms Whalen when she calls to him from the sidewalk...presumably from in front of Gates house, since he would would otherwise have encountered her already...She is apparently at the front of Gates home but he obviously doesn't want that in the report.

    Crowley further claims he had already engaged Gates when Gates picked up the phone to call the Housing office...As if Gates turned away from a bizarre encounter of a cop in his face to report a sticky door. Others say more believably that Gates was on the phone reporting the door when Crowley entered.

    Crowley also creates an unbeieveable scenario of needing to go where "acoustics" were better (outside), when circumstances support that he was in fact refusing to identify himself, and basically lured Gates out on his own porce where he could claim that Gates annoying comments (which constituted free speech) was "disturbing the peace", and serve as a pretext for arresting him.

    I've read suspicious LE reports, and this is definitely one. Check out Smoking Gun, read the report, and see if you can recognize what is really going on.


    Simple (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 11:03:20 AM EST
    Lacy writes:

    Crowley fails to say what Whalen then said as she could then presumably see the man was the next door resident.

    Whalen probably said she thought the man in the house was Gates. That would explain why Crowley didn't have his weapon drawn but still needed to identify who the man was.

    No matter what, Gates could have id'd himself and Crowley would have been on his way. Instead Gates threw a hissy fit and tried to dis Crowley off by telling him he (Gates) knew people in high places.

    Crowley most likely wanted him out of the house, after the "I know people" threat by Gates so that there would be witnesses.  

    There's no winner here but Obama has lost the most.

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    Sorry to have to point out (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Lacy on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 11:49:10 AM EST
    that there is absolutely no inference that Gates did not state he was in his own house as you assume. Not even the flawed report claims that. In fact, the very issue which Gates was stating was that a black man IN HIS OWN HOME was being accosted. (But note that I see no evidence that Gates was right to see a racial element to the encounter...It is clearly a cop who acted against Gates' rather understander misconstuing that it was racial...And if the cop understood anything about the "sensitivity" issues he supposedly taught, then he would know such a perception was not unreasonable, much less mandating arrest.)

    Further there is no reason to make your assumptions of diminished certainty by Crowley as to Gates being in his own home when the officer's actions suggest he knew that already.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:47:03 PM EST
    Neither of us know what Gates did or did not say. In fact it is moot. My point was that if Crowley was told by Whalen that she thought, or if she knew he was Gates, Crowley was still obligated to determine that to be a fact.

    I see no evidence of untoward actions by the policeman. I see a man who could have been thankful that a policeman was trying to protect his possessions throwing a hissy fit and deciding to be insulted because he is black.

    I also see a President who could have let the situation work itself out jumping into without knowledge of the facts and putting it on the national stage.

    And this is a man you want getting that call at 3:00AM?

    I think not.

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    No Evidence? (none / 0) (#83)
    by Lacy on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:17:00 PM EST
    You may see no evidence even though it's under your nose. Others may not be so limited.

    The circumstances are similar to seeing a cop say something to a woman and she screams at him, and he cuffs her and arrests her for "disorderly conduct". The cop says he just said "Good morning", and she says he insulted her or even offered her $$$ for sex....You incorrectly assume that his "Good morning" claim has to be factual, and  thereby assume that a non-provocation is the same as a provocation. But doing so reveals a bias.

    Add in having the woman in her own home, and an unbiased observer should be able to see that the cop was out of line. You can speak loudly in your own home and even on your porch if you are provoked. It's that "simple". And do note that you have the roles reversed because the report itself unequivocally shows the cop provoked the situation to an arrest. This would have been wrong even if the cop had spoken innocuously.

    Sometimes you have to think analytically and put biases aside. Note how the report twists the circumstances to pretend the officer had already given his name to Gates while simultaneously concocting a scenario that explains away why Gates did not know it....And he could only be doing this as a cover for the most likely real reason Gates hobbled out on his porch: The officer was refusing to give his own identification after seeing Gates. So the cop essentially created the situation he chose to call a "disturbance" himself.

     

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    Speaking of bias (none / 0) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 06:34:13 PM EST
    your bias is obvious.

    Again. All Gates had to was give some ID and everything would have been cool. He was looking for trouble and found it.

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    He said "he knew people?" (none / 0) (#57)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:22:25 PM EST
    So why wasn't he tasered, or at least maced, right on the spot?

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    Most Likely (none / 0) (#63)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:05:09 PM EST
    Gates was not tasered by Crowley because of the extensive racial profiling work Crowley has done..  lol

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    Besides (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 01:06:42 PM EST
    Crowley couldn't taser Gates in his own house without arresting him for burglary. If he tasered him on the front porch for being uppity, well that would have cost Crowley his job. Too many witnesses.

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    Tasering uppity minorities (none / 0) (#85)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 05:51:33 PM EST
    is against the law?

    Dam* Libruls!

    Mark my wurds, pretty soon they're gonna wanna use the same bafroom......and everything.

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    Are police required to (none / 0) (#76)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:35:51 PM EST
    arrive at the scene of a prospective home invasion with their guns drawn? Is that standard operating procedure? I dunno, maybe somebody else does.

    Did Gates misplace his keys (hello locksmith), or was the door just stuck shut?

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    Probably depends on dept policy (none / 0) (#78)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:48:20 PM EST
    I once had some listing papers to sign, and met the realtor at an upscale residence where she was going to be having an Open House. We discovered some pretty messy areas in the house, the one that stood out, though, was in front of a desk where an empty gun holster was part of the pile. Then, we noticed the broken window on the back door, and called the police.

    The officer found us outside on the porch waiting for him, and he approached without gun drawn. But, when he went inside to investigate, he did that with his gun drawn and ready...and he told us to remain outside.

    Had Gates been cooperative, and allowed the officer to search the house for hidden intruders, he would have surely drawn his gun.


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    Hidden Intruders? (none / 0) (#80)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:51:47 PM EST
    Hilarious, Now you are taking this to some kind of crazy place that even Crowley hasn't gone.

    Maybe there were WMD's too.

    Sheesh.

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    Door Stuck (none / 0) (#79)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 02:48:50 PM EST
    Gates went around back, opened the door with his keys and turned off his alarm. He then went around front to force open the front door so that he did not have to carry his luggage through the back door.

    He then called Harvard maintenance to come and fix the broken lock/doo in the front.

    Cops have their gun drawn when they believe a burglary is in progress. It is rather clear that Crawley did not suspect that Gates was a burglar or that he was not in his own home.  

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    Personal insults removed (none / 0) (#84)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 03:43:08 PM EST
    from this thread. Get a room, guys, if you want to just bash each other with personal attacks.