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Talk amongst yourselves. Here's a topic - does Brett Favre signing with the Vikings guarantee that Percy Harvin will be the Rookie of the Year?

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    Hmmm... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:15:28 AM EST
    I guess racists might be politically good after all!  Rumor is that the WH contemplates using the Clintons to help sell health care, at least according to George Stephanopolous:

    In a report sure to cause a stir online and on talk shows, ABC's George Stephanopoulos reported on "Good Morning America": "White House officials have talked privately about whether to use the Clintons more on health care."

    Former President Bill Clinton spoke in Pittsburgh this weekend to Netroots Nation, a huge progress bloggers' convention.

    "There have also been discussions about whether to deploy Secretary of State Clinton," Stephanopoulos said. "No final decision on that yet."
    Will the call come at 3 a.m.? (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:22:47 AM EST
    Remember the SNL skit, the White House calling for advice from Hillary and also asking "Is Bill there?"

    Life imitates art: Okay.  Life imitates comedy: Worrisome.

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    please don't throw the word (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:20:47 PM EST
    racist around here.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 05:46:39 PM EST
    Just quoting what was said about Bill and Hillary and pointing out the irony of needing such despicable people to help out now.

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    My cable system (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:17:45 AM EST
    just added TCM HD and BBC HD.

    I'd say you're pretty well set. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:20:48 AM EST


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    As far as I can tell, we were the first (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:21:48 AM EST
    cable system in the country to get BBC HD. TCM HD is in pretty limited circulation, too.

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    I'm unaware of the BBC HD (none / 0) (#11)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:29:04 AM EST
    but we do have TCM HD through our cable provider.

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    comcast doesn't even broadcast (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:24:46 PM EST
    CNN, MSNBC or Fox News in HD here, it's one of the reasons I rarely watch them now. I pretty much only watch HD channels and movies.

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    CNN is the only news outlet that charter cable (none / 0) (#69)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:42:47 PM EST
    carries in HD in my area of DFW. I'm no different than you -- I spend most of time in the HD range of stations.  

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    We're up to about 110 HD channels here (none / 0) (#72)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:57:01 PM EST
    Competition from FiOS lit a fire under Time Warner Cable.

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    On Demand (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:32:35 AM EST
    I wanted to get the "On Demand" package with DirectTV but they only offer it to customers with hd TV's. When I asked the customer service person why it had to be hd they couldn't answer it. As much as I would like it, I can't justify (or afford) spending over $2000 on new equipment to get it.

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    Not clear to me how Direct TV even does (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:33:48 AM EST
    On Demand. I would have thought they were way too bandwidth constrained.

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    They say yes (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:54:34 AM EST
    I no nothing about tech stuff. I have enough trouble with a computer and figuring out the printer. I got an e-mail from them telling me the wonders of this and it sounded pretty good to me. I just wondered why I would have to have an HD TV to watch. The Cubs are broadcasted in HD and yet I get them with no problem.

    Oh well, I made this far without it, I guess I'll make it a while longer!

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    you can get good hdtv's for well under $1k (none / 0) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:23:44 PM EST
    even 1080p's (vs 720's.) You don't need a 50 inch screen, try a 32 inch or a 37". The difference in picture is really worth it.

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    Baghdad's bloodiest day (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:26:29 AM EST
    since U.S. troops left the city, CNN reports.  At least half a dozen bombs.  I can foresee the speech coming that will explain why another campaign promise, already amended, will be broken. . . .

    Seems so random (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:32:47 AM EST
    Why now?  Clearly the bombings in Afghanistan are to influence elections.  This mass bombing makes no sense.  Not that sense ever seemed to matter.

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    Really (none / 0) (#42)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:08:04 AM EST
    US troops enter after the weekends massacre of Shia's across Iraq, I don't see why they'd do so now.

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    Make that (none / 0) (#45)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:13:53 AM EST
    didn't enter.

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    It was crazy yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by eric on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:28:36 AM EST
    here in Minnesota.  They had a helicopter following the jet and the car carrying Brett Favre.  There were hundreds of fans waiting for Favre's arrival at Vikings HQ.  Within a few hours, Favre was on the splash page at the Vikings website.  

    This is a man that has been cursed for years by Vikings fans.  What a strange twist of fate.

    He'll either end-up... (none / 0) (#15)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:34:31 AM EST
    ...on the DL halfway through the season or set a record for most INT's.  

    Childress will probably let him go pass happy and forget all about Purple Jesus.  Especially when they play the Packers.  

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    RAC (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:36:07 AM EST
    West Coast short passing game with PErcy Harvin running after the catch (RAC).

    Harvin Rookie of the Year, Vikes in the Super Bowl.

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    Hahahahahahah. (none / 0) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:38:45 AM EST
    That's the funnies thing I've read all week.  The Gunslinger don't believe in no dink and dunk offense and the coach is an idiot.  

    They'll be lucky to get 8 wins this year.  

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    Come on (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41:02 AM EST
    The Vikes have the best defense and the best RB in the league. They can not help but win 11 games.

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    Oh, I'm on. (none / 0) (#27)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:46:35 AM EST
    How many times is BF going at audible out of a running play to show off his ability to underthrown receivers down the field?  I'd put the O/U on that at about 5 times a game.  

    I can see PJ getting pretty p*ssed about that.

    And, did I mention the coach is an idiot?  Heck, even Lions fans are excited at the possibility of two wins this year.    

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    Vegas (none / 0) (#29)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:47:09 AM EST
    has the Vikings' over/under at 9 games.  You could make a killing!

    As a sad-sack Lions fan I am happy to have one more chance to stick it to Favre, even if the odds are against it.

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    Link? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:50:12 AM EST


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    Well (none / 0) (#37)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:59:35 AM EST
    I wouldn't know where to look to find the current Vegas lines (Vegas doesn't have online sportsbooks, of course) but here is where Vegas opened in May.

    I checked a couple of the popular online sportsbooks just now (probably not a good idea for me to link them here) and I didn't see much change based on the Favre signing.  One of them has the o/u 9 prop at -160 rather than the opening -140, which isn't that big a difference (although it indicates that the public likes the over side).  Another book had o/u 9.5 at even money on either side.

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    Local (none / 0) (#55)
    by eric on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:52:08 AM EST
    fox channel says the SB odds are at 14-1 now.  It was 22-1 before Favre.

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    The best defense in the league? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:29:15 AM EST
    Seriously?

    I guess we'll see soon enough...


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    Very hard to remake (none / 0) (#38)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:00:13 AM EST
    a 15-yr veteran down-the-field, high risk/high reward QB into a cautious small-ball dinker and dunker.

    Not likely to work.  Especially given Favre's famous impatience.  Pretty soon he'll want to revert to scrambling to try to find someone down field, will launch it, and soon find himself having to position himself to be a tackler.

    Should be entertaining though, especially for those of us on the WCoast who have no strong rooting interest in the Vikes, the Packs, or anyone from that neck of the woods.

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    Send those curses (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:37:53 AM EST
    across the Mighty Muddy for the showdown on October 5!  That is, if Brettedict Arnold Favre's arm lasts that long.

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    I just heard (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by eric on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:45:53 AM EST
    on the news that the St. Croix River is rising. Tears from Packers fans.

    ;)

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    No worries E... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:51:47 AM EST
    by the time this season is done, the Metrodome will need new sump pumps because you'll be drowning in tears:)

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    Heh (none / 0) (#73)
    by eric on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 01:08:22 PM EST
    indeed.  But there is always hope the the Queens could go all the way and lose Superbowl number 5.

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    I suspect its not so much a matter of (none / 0) (#26)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:45:47 AM EST
    becoming a Favre convert. Instead its probably more related to the Vikings complete disdain for the Pack and now having something of substance to poke at their collective eyes in Lambeau.  

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    He wasn't signed (none / 0) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54:18 PM EST
    To throw footballs.

    He was signed for the same reason Sonny Werblin Signed Joe Namath for $427,000....Hype!

    Fu Man Chu mustache + white shoes + booze + babes >>>>>full house

    That he could throw a football was a nice afterthought.


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    Yah, youbetcha (none / 0) (#74)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 01:17:27 PM EST
    as they say in Vikings country.  You understand the game being played here, and it's not football.

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    Well the gear for going away has been (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:30:14 AM EST
    coming home for packing.  Spouse is getting real soldier stuff this go around since his job is with his feet on the ground and not in the air.  The new helmets look substantial, like they could really stop something.  Everything is first quality and I don't need to buy anything for him like when Rummy sent the military that he had instead of the military he wished he had.  Thanks for everyone fighting for him to have what he needs in combat, paying for it, and caring about us this much.  We know he stands the chance of not coming home the same way he left but it's clear you guys are on his side.

    Don't thank us, thank you, (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:50:01 AM EST
    and him.

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    And on a different note (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:02:55 PM EST
    I was hot hot hot this morning about my spouse's appointment to figure out this arthritis thing being so far out that he will be deploying days after it.  He swore to me that he's going in on sick call again on Monday so that someone has to look at his labs much sooner than that.  I was pi$$ed, I told him to tell whoever he sees that they can do their jobs in a timely fashion or I will call my Senator!  My husband threw back his head and howled saying, "Yeah, you are going to call Richard Shelby!"  Oh I will, the devil does not scare me.

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    No fair (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:57:41 AM EST
    You're making me weepy.

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    Majority of Americans do not think (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 04:29:01 PM EST
    war in Afghanistan is worth continuing to fight. At least, that is what WaPo is reporting. New poll, just out.

    MT, I would be oh so happy if this view were to take hold and change U.S. policy before Mr. MT is deployed. My preference has always been for a well-trained military that we never have to deploy. I'm guessing he will have to go, though. I wish it wasn't so.

    You and Mr. MT and the entire MT family will remain in the very special good place in my thoughts until your flyboy comes home.

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    Thank you caseyOR (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 04:58:26 PM EST
    Well, and this wouldn't be the first time that the family was heading into a combat lifestyle without the blessing of a majority of the people we are supposed to be serving.  I still have mixed feelings on my best days.  My husband's commitment to the country is different than mine, his is a commitment to infrastructure preservation.  I won't lie to you and tell you we haven't burnt the house down fighting :) But you only fight when you care :)  He's a good man.  The rule of law matters terrifically to him.  He has worked 15 hour days since 9/11 until I got so ticked at him that I threw his back up drive in a sink of water (don't worry....he had all in other places and I knew he did).  It was an $80 point I was making.  He is going some place you don't want him to go but he will not deal you dirty. He works with NATO allies like a dream...he has no attitude of American superiority.  He sees the faces of the people around him.  He had his name sewn onto his cap in Iraq in Arabic so people would know who he was, be able to call to him or call him out.  He is harder on himself than any of us can ever be.

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    MT, I don't for a minute (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 06:52:38 PM EST
    doubt Mr. MT's commitment to our country or his good heart. As I said, I believe in a strong military; I just hate when we deploy them. Vietnam was the first war I was around for (okay, Korea, but I was an infant). Vietnam was a totally unnecessary war, IMO. I hated that our government was sending my fellow citizens to fight and die in a war that we had no business in. I did not hate the soldiers; I hated the politicians who sent them. Well, I did hate Westmoreland.

    Anyway, my point is that I know Mr. MT is military and the military does not decide where or why we fight. People join up for many reasons: college money; I want out of my town; I need a job; always wanted to be a soldier; I want to serve my country. Part of the deal, no matter why they join, is that they will go wherever they are ordered and fight whomever they are told. Our part of the deal, America's part of the deal, should be that we will never send our servicepeople to fight and die unless we have a extraordinarily good reason and we have exhausted all other avenues. Unfortunately, we never keep up our part of the bargain.

    So, while I do not support either of our current wars, and I wish Mr. MT was staying home with you, I trust he will do the very best he can with whatever he faces. I believe you that he is a good man.

    All I can offer you and him are my kindest, most caring thoughts. I hope it helps.

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    That was the best support from a peacenik (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:06:44 PM EST
    That's as good as it gets

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    US athlete Sanya Richards takes Gold (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:23:54 PM EST
    in the 400m at the World Championships in Berlin.

    Teammate Kerron Clement defends his Gold in the Men's 400m hurdles.

    Amazing stuff to watch.

    This is sort of bizarre (none / 0) (#5)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:22:28 AM EST
    more on the guys toting guns around the Obama event in Phoenix.  It was a publicity stunt.  

    "Is it your advocacy that by having guns here we're probably all safer?" Hancock asked. Chris "absolutely" agreed. He then went on to explain how he was always armed, even when riding his motorcycle, though not always when he showered: "Sometimes when I take a shower I set it down on the sink."

    Seems to be a pretty high chance that he'll accidentally shoot himself though.  Hmm.

    Somebody pointed out something that (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:07:03 AM EST
    needs to be said about these guys- even if none of them have bad intentions, their mere presence makes the President and others less safe- Security time spent watching them is time not spent scanning the crowd for actual threats.

    Oh, and you gotta love the fact that people were pulled away and/or arrested for protesting or just wearing a disagreeable T-shirt at Bush town halls, but that its suddenly a sacred part of the American Social contract that Men, at least one with ties to violent anti-government militias be allowed to brandish assualt weapons at Obama events.

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    Don Hewitt, creator of 60 minutes, is dead (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:26:58 AM EST


    One of the few (none / 0) (#43)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:08:53 AM EST
    network show I continued to watch, mostly, after the arrival of cable.

    Always thought it could have been better, though, especially in more consistently going after the big, controversial stories that most news outlets avoided or buried on the back pages.  

    Of course, at the networks, ultimately it's the corp suits at Black Rock who run the show, and the show's producers soon learn how far they can go.

    Hewitt also produced the first Kennedy v Nixon debate in 1960.  Good show that one.  Only one hour.  Opening statements could last up to an amazing 8 minutes.  Panel of reporters asking questions -- again, a good idea as it guaranteed variety and a skeptical attitude toward the candidates.   A shame when the modern presidential debates abandoned this format for the single moderator-only device.

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    Or go back to the moderators (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:17:39 AM EST
    of the next debates, from '76 to the mid-'80s, the League of Women Voters.  It pulled out then, saying:
    The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates . . . because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.

    "Campaign-trail charades" and "hoodwinking" sure is what we've seen ever since.

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    I got good feelings (none / 0) (#10)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:28:43 AM EST
    about this season.  Brady is back, team looks solid, and other teams are in the "tabloid" news, and the new Jets coach is talking up a storm.

    It's on pal... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:39:48 AM EST
    Rex Ryan didn't come to NY to kiss Belicheck's rings!...:)  And we'll have my man Sean Ellis back from his one game reefer suspension just in time for you guys in Week 2.

    As for BTD's question, I think Favre just cost his boy Percy any shot at rookie of the year, wasting all that time getting in synch with Rosenfels and Jackson will set him back...it took half a year for Favre to get in synch with our wideouts last year, then his shoulder went.  Plus, Peterson gotta get his touches as the most explosive back in the league.

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    I just hope... (none / 0) (#61)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:14:17 PM EST
    ...the Patriots West and the Bellacheat trained wonderboy don't sh*t the bed this year.  

    Unfortunately, I don't have a good feeling about that.

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    haha (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:22:30 PM EST
    you wouldn't be talking about this would you.

    For all the hoopla about spygate, it does seem a bit like vilifying Giambi for Steroids (Bonds and Clemens are different, the whole lying under oath thing).  Might feel good, but you know everyone else was doing it too.  Besides, the Pats have now repaid the karma gods and all will be well this season.

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    Can't argue... (none / 0) (#68)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:29:40 PM EST
    ...with this:

    So this year he sent Josh McDaniels out to Colorado to destroy the Broncos as payback. And the eager, young lieutenant got right to work, ridding Denver of its franchise quarterback with stunning alacrity. In fact, McDaniels is working so quickly and effectively, he is liable to tip people off to what is really going on.

    Karma = 18 and 1?

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    Don't remind me (none / 0) (#70)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:44:14 PM EST
    between that 1 and Brady's knee last season, we are due for a karma swing in the right direction.

    Yes, I do realize I have no business complaining about 1 loss.  But what a loss.

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    That's some fine... (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:00:43 PM EST
    ...homerism there, CST! :) Speaking of which, have you seen this?

    /refrains from mentioning the karma of KG.

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    Don't know if it helps Percy, (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:36:41 AM EST
    but it sure as heck isn't going to be helping Rosenfels and Jackson much, is it?  And chances are, since Favre won't be able to go the distance, Childress is going to have to go to one of his other - now pretty p!ssed off - QB's.

    Does it put Minnesota in a better position to win?  Guess that depends on whether Favre can do his impression of his much-younger self, or if he plays like he's 40 years old, and his arm just can't keep up.  If I were coaching the other teams that will face Minnesota this year, I'd be doing a lot of interception drills with safeties and cornerbacks, because I have a feeling Favre's going to be throwing a lot of those.

    "Brett Favre" is a name I have grown so sick of hearing that I was really hoping I wouldn't have to hear it again until they induct him into the HOF.

    Please, Brett - get a life - the world will not end if you are not in a uniform ever again!

    But what would he do on Saturdays? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:39:37 AM EST
    That's what he gave as his reasoning:  That he didn't know how to do anything else but play football on Saturdays.

    Problem is, of course, that the first meeting of the Packers and the Vikings is on a Monday night.:-)

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    Sundays... (none / 0) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41:09 AM EST
    ...the NFL plays on Sundays.  

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    Tell Brett; it's his quote (none / 0) (#24)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:43:41 AM EST
    and btw, he's scheduled to play Saturdays in the preseason, which is probably about as long as his arm will last.

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    The only thing I would tell BF... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:49:12 AM EST
    ...is to quit being such a needy attention wh*re.

    It's no wonder Deana wants him out of the house.

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    If it came down to a (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:54:01 AM EST
    choice between sitting on a tractor all day in the hot Mississippi sun, watching the grass grow, and taking $17 mill or whatever to toss a pigskin, I'd go put on the leather helmet and pads, too.

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    Then he needs to suck it up... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:04:38 AM EST
    ...and make a committment that doesn't leave his teammates in the lurch with his waffling and get his tractor riding behind into training camp on time and in shape.  

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    Amen bro... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:14:03 AM EST
    that is where Favre deserves scorn...not for playing again, but for skipping out on training camp and not making the full commitment to his teammates.

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    "On any given Saturday" ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:46:52 AM EST
    hmm ... doesn't have quite the same ring somehow.

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    He's already thinking (none / 0) (#25)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:44:55 AM EST
    playoffs in January.

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    Local headline (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:49:34 AM EST
    among many I like:  "The Ego Has Landed."

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    Wow, already with the (none / 0) (#34)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:54:08 AM EST
    'hateration.' Good move for publicity, if nothing else.

    I think the question should be about the surgery last year to BF's throwing arm. If successful, he could have a big year. 39 isn't that old, and he did get a lot of rest last year.

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    "Already"? Ha. (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:03:04 AM EST
    The guy made himself ridiculous for years now with the on-again, off-again retirement talk that made a mess of planning for the Pack.  The tide turned some time ago here; the rest of the country only caught on a couple of years ago.

    But yes, it certainly is true that he could have a big year if successful.  I love the circular reasoning game!

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    Money (none / 0) (#36)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:59:00 AM EST
    No one ever has too much money! If someone was willing to pay me millions I'd sure be there. He could live to a very ripe old age and an extra 4 or 5 million will come in very handy. (He's going to need to pay for those rising health care costs)

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    Just for fun... (none / 0) (#44)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:13:27 AM EST
    How many of these NFL QBs can you name.

    Only Johnny U... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:19:58 AM EST
    and Y.A. by face.

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    Good for you... (none / 0) (#56)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:56:42 AM EST
    on YA Tittle.

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    Thats exactly the pic... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:58:31 AM EST
    I saw in my head:)...what a great work of photography.

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    1964 - (none / 0) (#60)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:07:09 PM EST
    New York Giants Quarterback Y.A. Tittle kneels in the end zone at Pitt Stadium after being sacked by Pittsburgh Steelers defensive end John Baker in a 1964 game won by the Steelers, 27-24. Photo by Morris Berman.

    The Giants went 2-10-2 and Tittle took a beating. He retired after the season.


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    Note goalposts ON the goal line; (none / 0) (#67)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:27:45 PM EST


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    I'll try. Have to guess (none / 0) (#49)
    by brodie on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:23:06 AM EST
    on some.

    Front row:  #10 Fran Tarkenton (Vikes).  #17 Dandy Don Meredith (Boys).  #12 John Brodie (Niners).  #9 (guess) Sonny Jurgenson (Skins).  #14 Y.A. Tittle (GMen).

    Back row:  #9 Billy Wade (Bars).  #15 Bart Starr (Pack).  #19 Johnny Unitas (Colts).

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    Not bad... (none / 0) (#80)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:48:26 PM EST
    Back row: Milt Plum, Bobby Layne, Sam Etcheverry, Bill Wade, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Norm Snead, Zeke Bratkowski.

    Front: Jim Ninowski, Fran Tarkenton, Don Meredith, John Brodie, Sonny Jergenson, YA Tittle

    1961

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    Seven. (none / 0) (#78)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:45:15 PM EST
    Had their football cards, too. Until mom threw them away. Sigh.

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    Krypto-Nate twittered his arrest... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:02:23 PM EST
    live yesterday...I can't help but like this guy.  

    "Iam still pulled over and its been 35 min they have me sit in my truck like I dnt have s#*+2 do lol."

    It would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad Nate.

    UBS giving up names (none / 0) (#76)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:18:31 PM EST
    on tax evasion.  Thousands of names.  Not gonna lie, it's gonna feel good to see this house of cards fall.

    Thats f*cked up... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:36:14 PM EST
    on the part of UBS, considering the main reason people gave them their dough was because they never talk to Uncle Sam...or never did till now.

    I don't see them getting many new account inquiries from this side of the pond, to say the least:)

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    Not gonna cry for them (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:47:50 PM EST
    a bunch of people who got rich breaking the law and hiding money.  Besides, they will get a window of opportunity to do the right thing and potentially avoid greater penalties and prosecution.  Which is a sweeter deal than most people get.

    It's not like they didn't know they were breaking the law.  They just thought they wouldn't get caught.  They probably wouldn't have if the global economy hadn't collapsed.

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    I got no love for big money... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:59:57 PM EST
    tax cheats, which are a different animal than tax protestors, who I adore:)

    I just got less love for the law...and least love of all for snitches like UBS.  Even criminals and their accesories need a moral code to live by.

    What am I saying?  UBS is a bank, they have no soul, must less a code:) The tax cheats shoulda known better than to trust a bank, even if they were trustworthy in the past.

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    One tax law office said they've been (none / 0) (#89)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:02:32 PM EST
    getting some 100 new clients a week who are turning themselves in and paying up during this amnesty period.

    The trick to all this is only people who earned their money honestly will be allowed to pay up and not face prosecution. The launderers, and frauds will not be given such a break.


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    Brett (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 06:54:36 PM EST
    I think the Brett signing guarantees the Vikings miss the playoffs. Brett reminds me of the end of Dan Marino's career. All the people that loved Dan kept thinking he'd take the Dolphins back to the Super Bowl. What actually happened, he was but a shadow of his former self the last 3 or 4 years.

    My favorite end of the Marino career report was from an anonymous defensive coordinator describing how to prepare for Marino....Off the record, it's easy. He can't run, he can't throw long, he can't throw the out pattern. On the record, Dan is a tremendous competitor that can beat you at anytime.

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