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Monday Night TV and Open Thread

I still haven't seen any news today outside of the courtroom. And I'm determined to watch the finale of the Bachelor (even though it's been the most boring season ever and it's been known who Jake will pick forever), "After the Final Rose" and "24." I have to be back in court at 8am, so I'm unlikely to catch up tonight about things of greater import.

BTD is traveling, here's another open thread for those of you online. What happened today?

Update: The oral arguments in (Enron's) Jeff Skilling's case. Sounds like he has a shot on the jury issue. Has Alito ever sided with the defense? [More...]

Jay Leno's back tonight with his late-night show tonight, and Jimmy Fallon's show is one year old today. More allegations against NY Gov. David Paterson. And the U.S. Attorney's office in Brooklyn has cleared Acorn of criminal conduct.

Update: New cast of Dancing With the Stars is being announced tonight during the Bachelor. I hope they announce Melissa Rycroft will be the permanent co-host.

Update: Bachelor Jake is going to be on DWTS. Isn't it time he went back to work and off our screens? Guess not.

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    Now here's a proposed ban... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 08:43:03 AM EST
    I can believe in...15 states considering banning employers from conducting credit checks on potential employees.  Linkage

    Especially considering fow often the credit reporting outfits f*ck up, and how they don't care about fixing errors unless you're rich or famous.

    It would be nice for privacy rights to make a comeback...they're hurtin' for certain.

    It would be nice... (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:02:46 AM EST
    ...if the states also banned P&C insurers from doing the same thing.  

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    oh well (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:54:47 AM EST
    I was glad (none / 0) (#52)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:11:19 PM EST
    Actually I was really glad to hear it. We have enough phoney Democrats in the Senate as it is. We don't need one of the leaders.

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    I am jealous of (none / 0) (#1)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:31:53 PM EST
    BTD's frequent flyer miles..... :-)

    I don't (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:44:59 PM EST
    Flying is such an unpleasant exercise these days.

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    I wish you hadn't said that! (none / 0) (#4)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:49:57 PM EST
    I am SO dreading flying with my Dot :( Think they'll wipe her paws for explosives? ;)

    Thankfully, my mover is willing to drive my cats with him. And he has a great attitude about it, lol!~

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    My best advice about flying (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:51:52 PM EST
    is to wear comfortable slip-on shoes and to otherwise carry as little as possible with you.

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    I always carry as little as possible (none / 0) (#8)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 09:05:54 PM EST
    even before 9/11 and the security aftermath. I do have some wool slip-on indoor/out slippers I was planning on wearing. Here's to hoping I can pack the snow boots into the boxes going on the truck, lol!~ When looking at booking flights, I saw you can pay an "extra" fee to get in a "priority" security line, which I'll do. I figure less families with small children will be in the line. Could come in handy if we get evaced out of the airport and have to be re-screened, lol!~ I also have a list of all the dog friendly airports that have dog runs in case we get "diverted" . . . My mom will be using her miles to get me in Biz class so I can have some shred of dignity while flying (you get food and a blankie!)

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    We just lost a runway at JFK (none / 0) (#13)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 09:53:00 PM EST
    why oh why couldn't they have put it off until I got the heck outta here?! ;)

    I used to like the puddle hopper flights. Now it doesn't seem worth it.

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    The price you pay for living in paradise. (none / 0) (#20)
    by allimom99 on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:49:46 AM EST
    Good for Obama (none / 0) (#2)
    by kidneystones on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:41:15 PM EST
    Bad for Democrats,

    Big Pharma, Wall St, and Big Health Insurance won the WH in 2008. Having passed pro-business and pro-Wall St bail-outs and wasted entirely the 'change' mandate he was elected under, the president is now compelling Senate and House Dems to forget J-O-B-S, again, and jam through an extremely unpopular health bill that will motivate the Republican base and depress the hell out of the Dem vote.

    Once the pesky Dems have been swept aside, Republican president Obama, the first African-American president and the first Republican African-American can get about the business of turning over the country entirely to the same gang who did so well during the tenure of Dubya.

    Having failed entirely to recognize that Americans want jobs, not a national health insurance program, the inside the blogway left and the new village idiocracy walked away from the entire mess they did so little to prevent.

    Peachy.

    The Times is still out (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:50:46 PM EST
    for Paterson's blood. As usual, he isn't doing himself any favors.

    I don't see him being impeached, so in all probability he will serve out the rest of his term as ineffective. But there are worse things than being a lame duck executive.

    I'm quite over the hunt (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 08:54:26 PM EST
    to trash and throw out Paterson.

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    If it's true, he's really got to go (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 09:44:04 PM EST
    Agree with that (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 09:50:32 PM EST
    but all the other BS I'm tired of. I'm wondering if he can get a fair shake in this state though . . .

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    He got a fair shake. And proceeded to (none / 0) (#15)
    by tigercourse on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 12:23:45 AM EST
    screw up over and over again. He's now reached Spitzer levels of embarrassing. The hell with him. Also today, White Plains mayor arrested for a domestic incident in which he allegedly slammed his wife's hand in a door. Also today, a county legislator went to court for cocaine possession. Then yesterday, Rangel gets away with his various crimes.

    My state is a joke.

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    Need not be... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:05:45 AM EST
    make sure you vote for Davis for Goverbor and we'll be well on our way back to respectability.

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    Bachelor (none / 0) (#16)
    by andrys on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:03:22 AM EST
    Jeralyn,
      I watched the first show and then the last two weeks  :-)

       I am fascinated, not in the best way, but fascinated  :-)

      Do you post anywhere else on this?  I'll check back.

    I'm utterly amazed (none / 0) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:36:12 AM EST
    that otherwise intelligent people can be fascinated by such dreck and drivel. "Reality" TV is the worst of the worst in entertainment. Blech!

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    Bachelor/DWTS (none / 0) (#17)
    by wrensis on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 06:06:05 AM EST
    I do not share your enthusiam for Melissa Rycroft. I think she has more than had her 15 minutes of fame.  Evan Lycacek may offset the forever eager Kate Gosslin but given any other choices I will probably opt for good book. The cast this season is more like who???

    In desperate need of anger management (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:25:57 AM EST
    A while back, someone here posted on the story of Michael Ferren, a Bush WH lawyer whose wife is suing for divorce amidst allegations of domestic violence.  His wife is a big-shot lawyer at Skadden Arp law firm.

    Here's an update to a very sad story and the moral being that money doesn't necessarily buy you happiness.  I hope they nail this guy and he goes away for a very long time. Actually, I hope he has a much bigger cell mate in prison who also has anger management issues.

    (Warning - this is disturbing)

    It's unclear whether the couple saw each other before that Wednesday night, when, according to police accounts, Mike Farren said he wanted her to drop the [divorce] proceedings and stay together. She said she could not. He walked toward her.

    When she said, "Do not approach me," he "exploded in rage," she told police. She has flowing brunette hair. Her husband pulled out "gobs" of it, she said. She said he threw her across the room and began hitting her with a metal flashlight. On the floor, she passed out for a time, she told police, and went briefly blind when he strangled her.

    Then she remembered the alarm button on the security system, which automatically summoned police.

    "Don't hit the alarm button," Mike Farren warned, according to the police account. When she managed to do so, "he went nuts" at the sound, she reported. Again, the flashlight.

    At this point, according to the affidavit, she pleaded with him to stop, saying they could work it out. He paused for a moment, she wrote, then decided: "You're just saying that because you're scared."

    Mike Farren then announced he was going to slit his wrists, his wife said. She told police he took a kitchen knife into the bathroom and made an effort to get her in as well. Instead she scrambled to her daughter's room screaming, "Daddy's trying to kill me," got the startled barefoot girl and her infant sister down to the garage, into the BMW sedan and past the gate.

    The bloody BMW keys were photographed as evidence. So was Mary Margaret's lacerated face, broken nose, broken jaw, bruised arms, legs, torso. In an image now attached to the divorce action, she leans forward in the emergency room, the entire chair behind her black with blood. Police ended the interview the second time she began vomiting blood.



    Damn... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:47:38 AM EST
    sounds like that guy is certainly one I'd keep a few cages around for...but he's connected, don't hold your breath on jail time jb.  Different rules, different fools...you know this.

    If it was my sister this animal pounded on, the law would be the least of his worries...I'll tell ya that much.

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    Arg... (none / 0) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:01:32 AM EST
    A NATO destroyer has sunk a pirate mothership in the Indian Ocean off the Somali coast after allowing the crew to leave, the alliance said Monday.

    Shona Lowe, an anti-piracy spokeswoman, said the HDMS Absalon - the Danish flagship of the three-vessel NATO flotilla in the region - disrupted a pirate operation by "scuttling" one of the large boats used by Somali gangs to transport attack teams to piracy hunting areas far off the coast.

    The mothership was fired on and sunk after its crew members were transferred to a smaller boat in tow, which was allowed to return to the mainland, she said.

    Link

    Details are sketchy as to the whereabouts of Bootsy and the rest of P-Funk.

    Geoge, bootsy, and the others are fine. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:58:16 AM EST
    They beamed up after they tore the roof off the sucker.

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    Damn... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:09:32 AM EST
    I always thought the mothership was impervious to artillery.

    Better luck next time my swashbuckling friends.

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    why the hell (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:53:22 AM EST
    did they let them leave?

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    The original... (none / 0) (#24)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:05:06 AM EST
    ...Red Robin is being shut down.  

    Too bad, it was one of my earliest memories of Seattle.  

    Awwww (none / 0) (#27)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:12:38 AM EST
    No more unlimited fries?  Or the tower of onion rings?

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    HOTTEST JANUARY EVER (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:12:04 AM EST
    "Last November was the hottest November we've ever seen. November-January as a whole is the hottest November-January the world has seen." Veteran ­climatologist Professor Nicholls was speaking at an online climate change briefing, added: "It's not warming the same everywhere but it is really quite challenging to find places that haven't warmed in the past 50 years."

    His extraordinary claims came after the World Meteorological Organisation revealed 2000 to 2009 was the hottest decade since records began in 1850.

    Who do you trust? (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:43:05 AM EST
    Dr Jones said":

    There has been no statistically significant warming in 15 years.


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    if that was even a serious question (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:50:47 AM EST
    I trust the World Meteorological Organisation

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    You don't trust Dr Phil Jones (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:04:52 PM EST
    of the university?

    Okay.

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    Who dosnt trust Dr Phil Jones (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:28:46 PM EST
    of the university?


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    Mrs. Dr. Phil Jones... (none / 0) (#54)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:31:58 PM EST
    ...of the university?  Who could blame her with all of those young co-eds running around.

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    "of the university?" (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 03:01:37 PM EST
    is there only one now?

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    He was refering (none / 0) (#57)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 03:18:16 PM EST
    Bob's brother Phil: he's got this whole theory about left wing scientists commandeering our seats or higher learning; as foretold in Revelations.

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    If you don't know who Phil Jones (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 08:58:45 PM EST
    is then I can understand your dreadfully inadequate understanding of the hoax associated with man made global warming.

    And yes, we have consensus:

    The Institute of Physics, which represents 36,000 physicists across Britain and the world, has told a Commons inquiry into Climategate that the controversial emails at the centre of the storm represent "prima facie evidence of determined and co-ordinated refusals to comply with honourable scientific traditions".

    In short, the IoP has called into question the integrity of the entire field of climate change.

    Color me old fashioned but before we spend trillions I would think that we would insist on believable evidence.

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    Oh, goody - a speech! (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:19:42 AM EST
    From the FDL News Desk:

    Barack Obama will make a speech tomorrow laying out the way forward on health care. It's widely expected that he will endorse a reconciliation sidecar approach to pass what amounts to the Senate bill with a series of fixes outlined in his white paper on the subject. The process would begin with the House passing the Senate bill the week of March 19. The House would then pass a reconciliation bill and send it to the Senate the week of March 26. The timing is designed to stop Republicans from an endless series of amendments, which would eat into their Easter recess. I don't think this will stop them, but some rulings from the chair calling non-germane amendments dilatory and out of order presumably would.

    This is an extremely rough outline - we don't know the substance of the sidecar bill. But procedurally, it does look like the House would go first, passing the Senate bill before the changes come into play (it would then be held and not signed into law without the changes). It's unclear what kind of collateral House Democrats would need from the Senate - a signed pledge, a televised statement, who knows - before feeling free to pass their bill.

    You can tell that the House is gearing up to pass something with respect to health care, because the Democratic media shop has floated to the AP some names of possible vote-switchers on the bill, which would be needed to move forward.

    So much for that firm stand by the House, huh?  Do you think they know we've figured out the pattern yet?

    Oh - and abortion language isn't the only thing Bart Stupak doesn't like about the Senate bill...

    Stupak said the White House hasn't included enough provisions from the House bill in its proposed package of changes to the Senate version. He cited some of the House's tighter restrictions on insurance companies and new payment methods to encourage doctors to provide quality treatment that he thinks should be in the bill. And even though the White House peeled back the tax on high-value insurance plans, he's upset that it's still in there at all.

    And it's not like he's wrong to have these objections, but it looks like the fix, as always, is in...sigh.

    Not enogh time (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:33:01 AM EST
    Why, oh why, does the WH not give me enough time to plan when there is going to be another speech?  There's so much planning to do - shopping, send out e-vites, cleaning the house, fluffing the pillows, and oh, what will I wear?  Should I go more formal with an evening gown and gloves, or have a more laid-back affair?  Do I need pearls to clutch and will pearls clash with casual clothes?

    They really need to give us more time for such an important event.

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    cheer up (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:52:47 AM EST
    heres something you can both get excited about.

    Meet the Mini-Palins

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    Compared to $arah... (none / 0) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:08:58 AM EST
    ...Norton is a freakin' brainiac.  However, she's about as exciting as watching paint dry--even when throwing out red meat and dog whistles to the Teabaggers.  

    And no matter how hard she panders to the 'baggers, they still don't like her.  Just another beltway lobbiest insider who also carries the deadweight of a Gramps McCain endorsement.  

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#37)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:10:58 AM EST
    If they'll have a set of action heroes made in their image?

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    Or, if they were Dems (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 01:38:54 PM EST
    they would be turned into cute li'l nutcrackers.

    I do hope that we will not see the GOP pick up the Dem mantra of Bros Before Hos.

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    Don't forget the liquor. (none / 0) (#38)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:12:18 AM EST
    Must stock up on booze for an Obama speech. Oh, and remember to write up a list of the key Obama phrases and words for the drinking games. A personal fave of mine is "The notion that. . ." Also, since this will be a health insurance speech I like "Bend the cost curve," and the always popular "Keep the insurance companies honest."

    Do try to pace yourself. It is a school night, after all.

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    Maybe it's my old school education, (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:26:15 AM EST
    the one where we were taught grammar and diagrammed sentences (I'm such a geek - I used to love that part!), but I really - really - hate it when people say, "The reason is, is that..." and Obama loves that construction.

    Why can't people say, "The reason is that...?"

    Makes my jaw clench when I hear it - and it is as ubiquitous as the "I was like... and then she was all like...and then he goes...and then I went like..."  

    Grrrr...

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    My own least favorite is (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:12:27 AM EST
    speaking it like there is a colon in the sentence. For example "The reason is <pause> there is a burglar in the basement". I first noticed it on the David Kelley TV dramas and had to scratch my eyes out. I think the two constructions are related - the "is, is that" is trying to fill in that pause. As you say, why can't they just use the word 'that' all by itself?

    I was a sentence diagram geek too.

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    The really annoying thing (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:45:08 AM EST
    is that (heh) the "is that, is that" was withering away quite nicely until Obama came on the scene and brought it roaring back.  Now they're all doing it again.

    For a while back there, it had gotten so bad that some were even throwing in an extra "is"-- "The thing is, is, is that"...

    Aieeeeee!

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    Nails on a chalkboard... (none / 0) (#50)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 12:00:50 PM EST
     
    "I was like... and then she was all like...and then he goes...and then I went like..."  


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    Oh yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:16:13 AM EST
    "Obviously" and my favorite is a version of of "Like I always say"

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    Finally... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:12:42 AM EST
    a candidate I can get excited about...Kristin Davis for Governor of NY.

    And what a platform!  A more liberty-friendly and fiscally sound state...hard to argue with that.

    "My ideas may seem radical, but with a [huge] deficit we need radical solutions,"

    Amen sister!

    Until I clicked I thought (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:03:36 AM EST
    it must be Kristin Davis the actress from 'Sex and the City'. At least this one has run a business.

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    I wonder who will run against her... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:07:13 AM EST
    I'd imagine all her former clients wouldn't dare, and thats probably half of the NY political scene:)

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    Maybe Spitzer redux (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:14:03 AM EST
    At least he has already had that particular scandal.

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    I'd be sure to watch... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:26:06 AM EST
    that debate!  Could you imagine?  lol

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    This iwill be a true test of his ideology (none / 0) (#58)
    by msobel on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:33:18 PM EST
    [Sc]Alito has probably never supported a defendant but Skilling is a very rich defendant and Fitzgerald's principle may apply (The Rich are different from you and me. paraphrased)

    It will be interesting. Given their War on Precedent, perhaps they will declare white collar crime constitutionally protected since the original intent was "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property" according to the Federalist Society. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness