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Change your diaper, Mr. Chief Justice. A relatively tepid Obama's the least of your worries. History will be much more unkind.
Gesh... All this Imperial Presidency stuff from the folks who snarked at Bush 24/7! Parent
And no, the Joint Chiefs aren't one of the three branches. Parent
It's not actually a unique event of oppression or suffering to have to sit and listen to a speech where someone criticizes you and you can't respond that very moment (but are able, as Roberts just proved, to respond freely afterward). Even in the State of the Union Address, it's completely customary for the President to criticize the Congress or the opposition party right to their faces, while members of his party stand and cheer vocally, and -- as the reaction to Joe Wilson's outburst demonstrated -- "decorum" dictates that the targets of the criticism sit silently and not respond until later, once the speech is done. That's how speeches work. Only Supreme Court Justices would depict their being subjected to such a mundane process as an act of grave unfairness (and, of course, Roberts' comrade, Sam Alito, could not even bring himself to abide by that decorum). What makes Roberts' petty, self-absorbed grievance all the more striking is that this is what judges do all the time. It's the essence of the judicial branch. Federal judges are basically absolute tyrants who rule over their courtroom and those in it with virtually no restraints. They can and do scold, criticize, berate, mock, humiliate and threaten anyone who appears before their little fiefdoms -- parties, defendants, lawyers, witnesses, audience members -- and not merely "decorum," but the force of law (in the form of contempt citations or other penalties), compels the target to sit silently and not respond. In fact, lawyers can be, and have been, punished just for publicly criticizing a judge.
What makes Roberts' petty, self-absorbed grievance all the more striking is that this is what judges do all the time. It's the essence of the judicial branch. Federal judges are basically absolute tyrants who rule over their courtroom and those in it with virtually no restraints. They can and do scold, criticize, berate, mock, humiliate and threaten anyone who appears before their little fiefdoms -- parties, defendants, lawyers, witnesses, audience members -- and not merely "decorum," but the force of law (in the form of contempt citations or other penalties), compels the target to sit silently and not respond. In fact, lawyers can be, and have been, punished just for publicly criticizing a judge.
And what a wimp, no spine... oh wait.... that was last weeks episode.
lol Parent
Is it because her snide indirect pro law enforcement, and anti Obama, comments are usually so dry that they are only a gentle nod and subtle wink are appropriate? Parent
And even more hilarious because when Obama shows spine, he is what is the word? Uppity, or is it arrogant? No class? Parent
WTF is in order here big time, imo. Parent
but she didn't start a PAC or anything
And I am empathy-less here. I know that many have come to see oculus as a friend, but I do not have it in me to ever feel sorry for that right wing pro torture creep or anyone who defends him on TL.. Parent
I'll buy that!
Lemme break it down for the suckas in blue...when you get hit with a snowball, throw one right back. Don't pull your piece and a power trip...get over yourselves, its a farkin' snowball for christs sake. And to the Bronx DA, I guess we should cut your budget if this is the crap you bring into court.
While others were tuned in to the Massa freak show on Beck, I caught some of the replay of the Mets spring training game yesterday, and was most pleased to hear old man Kiner in the booth. He's lost more than a step, getting most names wrong and speaking very slowly, yet it still gets no better than Ralph Kiner color commentary. The old stories, the vast knowledge of the game...he's simply the man, an uber-class act. I hope he has an open invite for the regular season and we hear him often. NY loves Ralph Kiner!
Ralph was talking about Bob Feller a bit yesterday...wish I coulda seen that guy pitch, Ralph said he was the best he ever faced. Parent
Best I ever seen live had to be Dr. K circa 1985...you could see the knees knockin' in the batters box from the nosebleeds with Doc on the hill. Parent
They say that when he was really on - and it's been attested to by more than one person - his heater used to actually rise as it was coming into the strike zone.
And also, from what I've observed, a total class act who could've milked his notoriety endlessly if he had wanted to, but instead chooses to lead a quiet, almost contemplative existence far away from the proverbial limelight. Parent
Boy, picking the best I've ever seen live is a hard one. The Big Unit was pretty darn scary even to just watch pitch--can't imagine standing in the batters box against him. But then there was the mastery of Jim Palmer. Greg Maddux was pretty fun to watch as well. Parent
Maddux looked so hittable, yet wasn't. A master corner-painter.
Wish I coulda seen Palmer, Seaver, Gibson, Jenkins and the greats of the 60's-70's...so good they had to lower the mound to level the playing field. Parent
With a lot of very close seconds. Parent
Broke into the majors at eighteen and never looked back, just ahead to Cooperstown. Parent
The guy fanned 15 in his first mlb start at 18...thats nuts. Parent
Half the time its hard to tell exactly what Ralph is talkin' about, but thats part of the fun. Then he hits you with some baseball wisdom that blows your doors off. Parent
Liberals in the House, who have spent much of the past year complaining that other congressional Democrats and the White House are insufficiently progressive, will get a chance this week to vent about one of their biggest concerns: the war in Afghanistan. House leaders will allow three hours of formal debate, probably Wednesday, on an antiwar resolution written by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), one of the leading antiwar voices in Congress. The resolution, which has 16 co-sponsors, calls for the United States to remove all of its troops from Afghanistan in 30 days -- or by the end of the year, if it is determined that trying to do so in a month would be too dangerous.
House leaders will allow three hours of formal debate, probably Wednesday, on an antiwar resolution written by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), one of the leading antiwar voices in Congress. The resolution, which has 16 co-sponsors, calls for the United States to remove all of its troops from Afghanistan in 30 days -- or by the end of the year, if it is determined that trying to do so in a month would be too dangerous.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/08/AR2010030803787.html
h/t to Justin Raimondo at antiwar.com
Ahmadinejad said, "... the United States uses the excuse of fighting "terrorists that they themselves created, supported and financed" to maintain its occupation of Afghanistan".
I agree with Ahmadinejad.
Bush put the democrats to sleep. Obama has kept them dozing.
Maybe Kucinich can wake them up. He reminds me of what a democrat used to be. Parent
My thought is if you are endlessly trying to justify why what you are doing is not cruel, inhuman, degrading, or torture, you should probably not be doing it.
since bickering about commenters' online personalities is really not very interesting to me.....
IOW- I will not engage with other commenters that I disagree with in a direct way because it is undignified. But I will slam them in a way that makes me look like a saint, because it makes me feel superior.
Pretty lame, imo. Parent
In case he was confused, Henry Waxman reminded him this AM.
I mean, how could an UNequal court tell the Imperial Presidency that it is wrong? Parent
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As Matt Yglesias points out here, that site is effectively a PUMA-style operation whose opinions are nothing like most of the people on the actual left.
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I wish that FDL agreed with me and Chait and Paul Krugman and the SEIU and the NAACP about health care rather than taking its counterproductive dead-ender stance. But the fact of the matter is that on this issue they represent a rather marginal point of view and I don't see any real evidence that there's major support for their view.
Interesting, a year ago the public option was the moderate stance. Extension of Medicare was also considered moderate. The majority of the country approved of either of these options.
Now they're far flung left wing radical ideas that will destroy the party. What a difference a year makes. Parent
Anyway, all the "shut up and compromise" folks are absolutely useless. As (gasp!) Firedoglake reports today:
I actually get the sense that Stupak is losing some steam. The national media has begun to fact-check his claims about abortion funding, finding that they have little merit. The Senate bill simply does not directly subsidize abortions; in fact, it's practically as restrictive as his own amendment. Stupak's drive for his own language reflects personal vanity and a lust for power, more than anything. And he's started to lose members of his coalition - fellow Michigander Dale Kildee backed off and now will vote for the bill (I'll update the whip count later):
Legitimizing Stupak by being so willing to give him what he wants is all Klein, Yglesias, and Booman are doing. He deserves to be attacked and the pro-choice position deserves a vigorous defense at this moment. It shouldn't be traded away like it doesn't matter. The way this bill treats abortion is going to be resonate for years. Parent
and I was correct. Parent
I know getting the reconciliation fix together is an issue impeding progress, but this is as well. Parent
We the people will just love buying junk insurance so we can avoid paying fines and being hassled by the IRS.
Corporate Shakedown, courtesy of Obama and the Dem Senate.
Government Muscle, again, courtesy of Obama and the Dems Senate.
And paying that excise tax on what Obama has labeled "Cadillac insurance." I mean, who wants to have savings?
During the primaries, I said I hoped I would have to eat my words, that Obama would turn out to be a great liberal president. It's turned out far worse than I ever expected.
I'd be glad to eat my words about Obama's Big Health Insurance (aka, Industry Players) Profit Protection Plan. BHIP-PPP. But.... Parent
The irony for me was yesterday reading the Catholic diocese has gotten caught up in a male prostitution ring. I can't believe THESE are the people the Democrats believe have the moral authority to lecture women on right and wrong and that Democrats have chosen to help them in craft the health care bill to begin with. Parent
Never mind my response. Parent
the words were all there in my head, honest... Parent
Yglesias did, on the other hand, reach back into Donald Rumsfeld's lexicon and liken anyone who isn't shaking their pom-poms for the legislation a "dead-ender."
Nice.
They've all got their marching orders, and it's playing out tactically just the way the Iraq war was sold. And, I fear it will end the same way.
Maybe this is the transparency Obama promised - being able to see people for who they really are, instead of who they purport(ed) to be. Parent
I'd be more than happy to have Jane decide that "unity" isn't worth giving up principles she believes in though. Parent
IMO, Jane Hamsher does not need you to defend her from other peoples opinions, right or wrong. Parent
{Kucinich sides with Insurance Industry}
[But Dennis Kucinich has made clear that's not the case, that he wants to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Sarah Palin, John Boehner, and Rush Limbaugh in killing the bill.]
Even better, boys linking to each other... echo chamber.
hahahaha! A PUMA!!! Parent
outside, I mean. Parent
how, exactly, is that anything besides "standing arm and arm" Parent
of which every single word is entirely true. Parent
People who insist we must betray women and working people, and denigrate progressive principles, to pass this plan the health insurance industry wants, may or may not actually believe they are progressives -- but, if they do, they are progressives who are getting the wool pulled over their eyes, being played for fools, and getting taken for a ride.
The insurance industry I'm sure will thank you as they laugh all the way to the bank. Parent
In my experience most Americans, probably not even 10%, know much about that history, or understand why and how we got to where we are today.
If you knew a little bit more about it, you too might be a little more cynical about the assumptions on which this plan is based, as well as about the players who are pushing it. Parent
Exacerbating matters was the fact that Obama let Baucus drag out the process over the summer and never came out strongly in support of the public option (he paid some lip service to the PO, but never put any real effort into getting it incoporated into the bill. His support for it seemed half-hearted at best).
All this being said, I think I still want to see this bill pass (hopefully the excise tax issue will get rectified - that is a particularly bitter pill). Amongst all the crapola/giveaways to the insurance industry, there are some good things it does accomplish.
Plus, in my humble and oftentimes misguided opinion, anybody who believes that
A) there is the political will at this point to scrap this bill and then start all over again and from scratch
and
B) that the end result of this starting from scratch will be a better, more liberal bill
is probably deluding themselves. I could be wrong about this. Parent
Obama did that.
This is his bill, written under Baucus's direction by Baucus's special aide, Liz Fowler, who was a Wellpoint VP for a couple years. Obama named Baucus's former chief of staff, Jim Messina, who had special emphasis on health insurers, to be one of his WH ass't chiefs of staff, with special emphasis on health insurers!
What a lovely, closely knit group. Health insurance reform written by a health insurer vice president. Must have made communication very, very easy. And Obama could claim there were none of his fingerprints on that Senate bill. Why, he left it Congress to do -- not his fault.
No Kennedy staffers, however. No public option, no Medicare buy-in. No single payer. No real controls on health insurers.
Several secret, behind-cloed-doors deals with Big Health Industry Players, however.
And when will the real problems with providing health CARE be addressed??? Parent
IMO he and Nader are both below contempt. Parent
I consider it obvious. Parent
Against the mandates and excise taxes.
They wouldn't do badly to follow the Ally Bank ads -- about the cheated littled kids who know they're being treated unfairly. Parent
That's my reaction, anyway...I am all for full-throated debate on the merits of the legislation; I think debate hones and refines arguments, and if done with some respect, can actually open a mind or two - even one's own!
But I don't consider the constant baiting that you've pointed out to serve any function other than to provide grade school-level entertainment for the person who generally pushes the first button.
I don't know, maybe we're making the mistake of countering at the wrong level; for some reason, I've wondered if "I'm rubber - you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you" might be more appropriate at times. Parent
am I wrong. Parent
the one you replied to is a simple observation. the people on the left who actually want to kill this bill are not widely spread. they will be found on a few sites.
most liberal blogs and commenters are at this point pushing pulling or getting out of the way.
and yes, when attacked I will defend myself. Im funny like that. Parent
not quite willing to take bets on that one quite yet but I will let everyone know when I am. Parent
that is not what either Dean or BTD have said. I believe they have actually both been rather vocal about the opposite.
now, if she is in that group as well I grovel in mortification at omitting her. Parent
and forgive me but you seem to be trying to make this a male/felmale issue. which is, as far as I am concerned, ridiculous. I said the same things about Kucinich in this very thread. Parent
here is one Parent
Passing the healthcare proposals before Congress will "hang out to dry" every Democratic incumbent running for reelection this fall, Howard Dean said Thursday. Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill. "The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet," Dean said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press Radio Show. Dean, who has clashed publicly with the White House over the healthcare proposals favored by the administration, said that by passing the bills under consideration, Democrats would essentially be conceding defeat to Republicans.
Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill.
"The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet," Dean said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press Radio Show.
Dean, who has clashed publicly with the White House over the healthcare proposals favored by the administration, said that by passing the bills under consideration, Democrats would essentially be conceding defeat to Republicans.
Anyway, when I was flying home last year from Netroots Nation, I sat with Kevin Drum. I've always had a good relationship with Kevin since I invited him to the first Kobepallooza in 2005. We talked about health care and I said said I didn't think health care was worth passing if it included a mandate to buy private insurance, but not a public option. He thought it was. But we both knew then where we would wind up. Neither of us has changed our position since then.
Certainly disagreeing with her is allowed, and can be done so without denigrating her. I don't think either you or BTD denigrate her with your disagreement - you have well reasoned logic for your positions, as does Jane. I myself am still undecided, amazingly enough. I can see the logic of both sides. And it's not like my opinion (go for the fastest way to single payer) matters to anyone in charge, so I am just watching it unfold at this point.
I'm sorry people like Yglesias and this Willis guy (who I have never heard of) feel the need to throw words like 'dead-ender' and the P-word around. I know they can be used as a badge of courage, but that is not what he means. Parent
as far as the "answer", I suspected it was being tapped danced around. and it was apparently. Parent
Well, to the extent that we've had any impact at all, it's due to the fact that there is widespread distrust of the Senate health care bill. There's nothing "marginal" about a position reflected by 48% of the public who want Congress to "vote against a health care bill similar to President Obama's" while only 43% want them to vote for it, per Gallup. Support drops further in the Rasmussen poll when the question doesn't include the President's name -- 53% oppose the bill and 42% support it. A small group of pundits appear to have misled themselves into believing that the opinions they hold, which echo those of a self-interested DC political class, are widely reflected by the public. If that was true, Martha Coakley would be a Senator.
A small group of pundits appear to have misled themselves into believing that the opinions they hold, which echo those of a self-interested DC political class, are widely reflected by the public.
If that was true, Martha Coakley would be a Senator.
its also a fact that when the actual elements of the bill are explained to people a majority of people want it passed. Parent
I can find those numbers if you like. Parent
in our opinion that is boneheaded Parent
sorry. Parent
There is clearly an effort being made to rally the left side of the blogosphere around the legislation - and I think that effort is coming from the WH - but if the blogosphere had as much power as some in it think it does, we would have moved both houses of Congress to produce an Improved Medicare For All bill, wouldn't we? One that would represent truly historic reform, and fulfill what was always the vision for Medicare when it was enacted - that it would be opened up over time to everyone.
We'd also not have passed immunity for the telecoms, would not have renewed the more odious provisions of the Patriot Act, would have gotten the Employee Free Choice Act passed, seen a much bigger stimulus bill, enacted real financial services reforms and instituted strict regulations - in other words, we would have seen real, liberal results from the even greater majority Democratic Congress we would have managed to elect through our efforts, and real, liberal leadership from our allegedly Democratic president.
It's great to have a voice, it's great to band toghether and be informed - wouldn't trade that for the world - but if we're being honest, we also have to acknowledge that our power is not as great as some would like to think. Parent
On second thought, I don't want to know you that well. Parent
Although I think I made my point in one of the last threds that you have a tendency to think things are one dimensional when they are in fact not. If you limit your interactions with certain groups of people you'll have to forgive me if I don't consider you and "expert" on them. Parent
Jane campaigns for Repubs like McCain? Really? Jane hasn't moved on from Clinton? Really? She's still campaigning for Clinton? Really? Jane sympathizes with Palin? Really? Jane has now left the party and is going to avoid the media so she won't be corrupted by psychological warfare? Really?
These guys don't even remember the reactionary angst that led some diehard Clinton supporters to abandon the party. Parent
Here's a couple fun Monica Conyers videos:
Calling Ken Cockerell "Shrek"
Debating school children Parent
Interesting part of the opinion, since Holder's pronouncement about not going after medical MJ dispensaries has been talked about a great deal on this blog:
In addition, Defendant relies on certain statements by U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. During a press conference on February 24, 2009, in response to a question whether raids of medical marijuana clubs established under state law represented American policy going forward, Holder stated, "No, what the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing in law enforcement. He was my boss during the campaign. He is formally and technically and by law my boss now. What he said during the campaign is now American Policy." On March 19, 2009, Holder explained that the Justice Department had no plans to prosecute pot dispensaries that were operating legally under state laws. Defendant's reliance on the above-quoted statements is problematic for several reasons. First of all, as pointed out by the Government, Defendant does not state that he personally read or heard these statements prior to engaging in the conduct that forms the basis of this criminal case. Furthermore, the comments by then-candidate Obama and his campaign spokesman cannot be deemed representations of the federal government regarding drug-prosecution policy. Although Holder was Attorney General when he made the statements at issue, his statements do not constitute affirmative representations that Defendant would not be prosecuted under federal law. Holder's comment that "what [Obama] said during the campaign is now American Policy" is vague and provides no real guidance as to what the so-called "American Policy" is. Similarly, Holder's statement that the Justice Department "had no plans" to prosecute pot dispensaries that were operating legally under state laws was a loose statement that left open the possibility the Justice Department could change its "plans" or could choose to prosecute medical marijuana dispensaries on a case-by-case basis.
Defendant's reliance on the above-quoted statements is problematic for several reasons. First of all, as pointed out by the Government, Defendant does not state that he personally read or heard these statements prior to engaging in the conduct that forms the basis of this criminal case. Furthermore, the comments by then-candidate Obama and his campaign spokesman cannot be deemed representations of the federal government regarding drug-prosecution policy.
Although Holder was Attorney General when he made the statements at issue, his statements do not constitute affirmative representations that Defendant would not be prosecuted under federal law. Holder's comment that "what [Obama] said during the campaign is now American Policy" is vague and provides no real guidance as to what the so-called "American Policy" is. Similarly, Holder's statement that the Justice Department "had no plans" to prosecute pot dispensaries that were operating legally under state laws was a loose statement that left open the possibility the Justice Department could change its "plans" or could choose to prosecute medical marijuana dispensaries on a case-by-case basis.
SNIP
Even if Obama's and Holder's statements can be viewed as establishing a general policy against prosecuting marijuana dispensaries operating legally under state law, a reasonable person would not rely on these statements as an assurance that he or she would not be prosecuted under federal law. Defendant could have sought specific guidance regarding the applicability of federal law to his situation. However, Defendant admittedly did not contact anyone within the Department of Justice or any other federal agency.