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Tea Party protesters are average Americans who are paying the price for the unrestrained power of corporations. They pay three-quarters of their income for fixed expenses. Those higher costs include taxes -- the cause of much Tea Party anger -- but they include mortgage, health insurance and transportation. Compare that with their parents' experience. Fixed expenses only consumed half of their parents' income in the 1970s -- and it's likely only one of their parents worked. Protesters blame "big government" for their woes, but their anger is misdirected. It's the big conglomerates that are fleecing them. The fact is that institutional power has moved away from government to Wall Street and large corporations.
Compare that with their parents' experience. Fixed expenses only consumed half of their parents' income in the 1970s -- and it's likely only one of their parents worked.
Protesters blame "big government" for their woes, but their anger is misdirected. It's the big conglomerates that are fleecing them. The fact is that institutional power has moved away from government to Wall Street and large corporations.
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Some of the Tea Party protests are quietly funded by right-wing groups that in turn are financed by large energy and banking conglomerates. These corporate giants have no loyalty to America and no sense of public purpose. The Tea Party protesters are being manipulated by the very same conglomerates that are causing their problems.
To quote BTD..."Pols will be pols." Parent
And that recurrent reference passed from the world of tangible things to code for a never-ending tantrum, probably sometime in late 2008. Parent
And, yup, I don't know anyone who calls themselves 'creative class', but I don't know anyone who calls themselves 'yuppies' either.
It is essentially a class distinction. Creative class vs. teapartiers.
The dem party used to be the party that represented those people of the less privileged class, working class and rural. It has all changed, and the whole class landscape in the US is a mixed up mess. Parent
Who cares what imaginary distinctions Donna Brazile, Mark Penn and others, who bank on the amnesia and short attention span of the public, make in the media? You dont really think it all just changed sometime in 2008, do you? Parent
But I got a kick out of Brazille's 'creative class'.... meaning the same old upper class. It just made yuppies sound better. To some. Parent
Perhaps you'd consider doing a smidgeon of homework before playing the PUMA hate card? Parent
Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee resolved to have a battle.. Parent
And hey! Oliver Willis, right after calling Hamsher, of all people, a PUMA, ran the very same tantrum riff.
Hope you guys are billing Axelrod for the service! Kidding! Parent
Capitalism: A Love Story you have to go out in rent; the material covered isnt open for public discussion anywhere on television or the radio. And Rachel Maddow wants to keep her job, like everyone else. Parent
They're just right wing loonies. Same as it ever was. Parent
Activists in the Tea Party movement tend to be male, rural, upscale, and overwhelmingly conservative, according to a new national poll. According to the survey, roughly 11 percent of all Americans say they have actively supported the Tea Party movement, either by donating money, attending a rally, or taking some other active step to support the movement. Of this core group of Tea Party activists, 6 of 10 are male and half live in rural areas. Nearly three-quarters of Tea Party activists attended college, compared to 54 percent of all Americans, and more than 3 in 4 call themselves conservatives.
Nearly three-quarters of Tea Party activists attended college, compared to 54 percent of all Americans, and more than 3 in 4 call themselves conservatives.
Not to say they're not suffering like everyone else, but it's all right wing ideology. Parent
Basically, I think they are the same hard core of the right that has been there for years. Some more independent types tag along too, but it is just a way for the diehards to call themselves a 'movement'. Or to give Fox an excuse to call them a movement anyway.
I agree with observed that they should not be dismissed - we have seen how much damage they can do. Insulting them is not helpful either, but hard to resist. Parent
But here's one.
And another one?
If someone could look at the rest of the data, that would be great. Parent
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11 are Hispanic Parent
From what I hear, the phenomenon was just something Donna Brazile and "the creative class" made up in order to manipulate liberal guilt.
Plus Dineesh D'Souza proved years ago racism in America dosnt exist anymore. Parent
But hey, worth a try at them again. Can't hurt. Parent
William McKinley was the Prosecuting Attorney of Stark County, NY.
William Howard Taft was the Prosecuting Attorney for Hamilton County, OH. Parent
Grover Cleveland was a sheriff.
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That's how contradictory they seem to be to me. They feel the economic pain, but still love the corporations that are robbing them blind. Parent
If you told voters that part of the Tea Party Platform is, "curtailing all earmarks ("regardless of the importance of the legislation") and balancing the budget" - lots of people would probabaly agree with you. The problem comes when the next question is asked - How?
If you told voters that part of the Tea Party Platform is "incumbents have the upper hand to finance campaigns with taxpayer money when events coincide with their public duties. ... thinks challengers should also get a weekly, federally funded town-hall meeting during the two months before each election. Once elected, lawmakers should be subject to term limits: eight years in the House and 12 years in the Senate.... And last, to end gerrymandering, all House districts should be redrawn by an independent commission based on "democratic principles." More people might agree with you.
So I ask - what is "support"? Parent
Platforms have become a joke IMO. Parent
The poll indicates that about 24 percent of the public generally favors the Tea Party movement but has not taken any actions such as donating money or attending a rally. Adding in the 11 percent who say they are active, a total of 35 percent could be described as Tea Party supporters. That larger group is also predominantly male, higher-income, and conservative.
I really don't think there are too many surprises. Parent
Considering the fact this is the group an EXCISE tax would likely fall upon can you blame them for opposing reform?
I did find it interesting that many self identified as conservative but see themselves as independant.
I also found it intersting that short of NE, this is widespread(heck the total group had more southern representation than the tea party) , not a southern thing AT ALL. So if it is a race thing as someone suggested upthread then it's become a widespread problem.
Frankly, the tea party has been charecterized as Republican and they certainly seem to be the ones taking advantage of the anger but I know that just like the group that must not be named the actual movement had a broad swath of independants at the onset. Parent
Ed Kilgore on the subject. Parent
I know plenty of people who voted for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, but also voted for Clinton and Obama. Parent
Tea partiers just wish they were the industrial barons of the world. Parent
They had their table out there and picture of Obama as Hitler. Another sign said Obama is a Cracker. Another picture seemed to have Obama with larger lips and whiter eyes. Then, of course, the picture of him as the joker.
My daughter asked me about the pictures and I said that they didn't like the President because he's black. One of the guys heard me and said that wasn't true and proceeded to go on about the birth certificate crap.
So while I can't speak for ALL the Tea Party members, I can say that at least 2 aren't just "regular joes" unless regular joes are racist and ignorant.
I stand by what I told my daughter. They are the same kind of people that Harriet Tubman fought against (we had just read a book about her); the same kind of people Martin Luther King marched against. The kind of people who Addy ran away from and who didn't allow her on a streetcar when she came North. You'd have to have read the American Girl Addy series to understand how this brought it all home for my daughter. Parent
Sure. No doubt.
How do I know?
Hem, the press and his minions told me so. Parent
If you would recognize the impact of law suits and single state insurance sales I would also feel inclined to agree.
As it is I see the article as just more snark at private business, which is not blameless, instead of offering some solutions to these three root problems Parent
Peace, y'all.
But then again, Greenwald and Obama, et al., are in total agreement that the unbalanced power Corporations have to influence our lawmakers, is one of the biggest problems we face today. Parent
The lashing went unnoticed here, had Obama praised the Roberts court for upholding the 1st amendment rights of corporations like Greenwald did, it would be dripping red meat for the TL kaffe klatch.
But since he did the opposite, crickets.. till now when cute little bobby socks Roberts is whining.. I am sure that his children were mortified, think of them, poor babies.. Parent
"With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our elections."
SOTU
Supreme Court Justices, in particular, have awesome, unrestrained power. They are guaranteed life tenure, have no authorities who can sanction them except under the most extreme circumstances, and, with the mere sweep of a pen, can radically alter the lives of huge numbers of people or even transform our political system (as five of them, including Roberts, just did, to some degree, in Citizens United).
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Why bother listening when replacing it with the narrative in your head gets you five stars, not to mention support for defending Roberts. Parent
What would Obama have gained by praising the SC for upholding the first amendment, when he has made campaign finance reform a priority? Obama unmbivalently thinks corporate influence on our political system will be worse than it is now with Citizens United, despite the free speech aspect. Why would he distract from that point for no political gain, by complimenting Roberts court when he could address the lawmakers directly about campaign finance reform.
Don't you think that Greenwald would like Congress to reign in corporate political spending?
In sum, there's no question that the stranglehold corporations exert on our democracy is one of the most serious and pressing threats we face. I've written volumes on that very problem. Although I doubt it, this decision may very well worsen that problem in some substantial way.
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In fact he praises Obama for calling out the SC decision, even though he agrees with in, which is why he is "deeply ambivalent" about Citizen United.
The very idea that it's terribly wrong, uncouth, and "very troubling" for the President to criticize one of their most significant judicial decisions in a speech while in their majestic presence -- not threaten them, or have them arrested, or incite violence against them, but disagree with their conclusions and call for Congressional remedies (as Art. II, Sec. 3 of the Constitution requires) -- approaches pathological levels of vanity and entitlement.
Glenn Greenwald is always right, brilliant, and a hero of progressives
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Obama is an always wrong, empty suit, stupid, and the enemy of progressives.
So if Greenwald and Obama voice similar opinions about anything, Obama must be lying. Parent
And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!' `I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"' `But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected. `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
`I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
--Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll Parent
Rep. Paul Ryan's tax and spending "roadmap" is a fascinating critter: conservatives all praise it to the skies but none of them want to actually commit to supporting it. The reason for their hesitation is obvious: Ryan's plan would cut spending dramatically, and supporting it would mean having to explain what, exactly, they'd cut. That would be electoral suicide and they know it. They much prefer their usual game of loudly denouncing "spending" without ever having to say what spending they're actually opposed to. However, their reason for supporting Ryan's plan is also obvious: it would cut taxes on the rich dramatically, and there's nothing conservatives like better than cutting the tax bills of America's wealthy. But how much would it cut taxes on the rich? Citizens for Tax Justice has run the numbers and the answer is: a lot. The very richest of the rich would see their tax bills go down by an average of over $200,000, a whopping 15% of the income. Ka-ching! To make up for that, everyone with an income under $100,000 would have their taxes increased by about $2,000 per year. It's a sweet deal for the rich. But even with all the tax increases on the middle class, Ryan's plan still raises less revenue than today's tax code. "It's difficult to design a tax plan that will lose $2 trillion over a decade even while requiring 90 percent of taxpayers to pay more," says CTJ acerbically. "But Congressman Ryan has met that daunting challenge." Details are in the table below, where you can find out how much more you'd have to pay under Ryan's plan. Enjoy.
However, their reason for supporting Ryan's plan is also obvious: it would cut taxes on the rich dramatically, and there's nothing conservatives like better than cutting the tax bills of America's wealthy. But how much would it cut taxes on the rich? Citizens for Tax Justice has run the numbers and the answer is: a lot. The very richest of the rich would see their tax bills go down by an average of over $200,000, a whopping 15% of the income. Ka-ching! To make up for that, everyone with an income under $100,000 would have their taxes increased by about $2,000 per year.
It's a sweet deal for the rich. But even with all the tax increases on the middle class, Ryan's plan still raises less revenue than today's tax code. "It's difficult to design a tax plan that will lose $2 trillion over a decade even while requiring 90 percent of taxpayers to pay more," says CTJ acerbically. "But Congressman Ryan has met that daunting challenge." Details are in the table below, where you can find out how much more you'd have to pay under Ryan's plan. Enjoy.
David Dayen's take?
I've watched the White House elevate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as a serious man of ideas with real substance over the last couple months. The media has picked up on this and anointed him "Barack Obama's favorite Republican." This undercuts any effort to tell the real story about Ryan's ideas for the federal budget, which would involve serious hardship for everyone but the rich, and an unbalanced budget, in the end. Paul Ryan's budget would raise taxes for 90% of Americans, lower revenues by $2 trillion dollars and not balance the budget. And he's seen as the "idea man" in the Republican caucus! Not to mention the fact that, should the Republicans take the majority in the House at any point, he would chair the House Budget Committee and would actually have the means to put this plan into action. You'd think that there would be a larger campaign to discredit such toxic, socialism-for-the-rich ideas, rather than call them "serious" and "legitimate."
Paul Ryan's budget would raise taxes for 90% of Americans, lower revenues by $2 trillion dollars and not balance the budget. And he's seen as the "idea man" in the Republican caucus! Not to mention the fact that, should the Republicans take the majority in the House at any point, he would chair the House Budget Committee and would actually have the means to put this plan into action.
You'd think that there would be a larger campaign to discredit such toxic, socialism-for-the-rich ideas, rather than call them "serious" and "legitimate."
Imagine how this would dovetail with the Deficit Commission, or whatever it is Obama is calling his Commission to Cut and Gut Entitlements...the mind reels.
Do you trust the Dems to push and then run against the Ryan plan? Parent
Guy was in SoCal somewhere, Orange County or San Diego, and his car sped up to over 90 mph and he couldn't stop it.
Guy said h was standing on the brake pedal with both feet with all his strength to no avail.
Tried reaching down and pulling up on the gas pedal in case it was stuck, but no dice.
Went on so long he was able to call 911 and have a CHP officer catch up to him and drive along side of him yelling instructions to him through their open windows.
Cop finally suggested he try both the brakes and e-brakes, and apparently that finally slowed him down.
I suppose he could have tried shifting into lower gears too...
Anyway, crazy stuff.
In case you were wondering if I'm the only cynic in the family. Parent
This is just getting nuts. The one here was one of the ones that had been "fixed" at a dealership, so it wasn't the floor mats. I'm hoping my mom is driving my dad's car these days . . . . Parent
Not sure I would have either. Parent
Physically there should be no problem.
Once the car is in Neutral all the power assist options... steering and brakes...will work fine but the transmission will have been disconnected from the motor. Parent