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Tuesday Night Open Thread

I'm done with court for the day, but have to be back again at 8:00 am. I'm hoping to be done by tomorrow afternoon, but ultimately, that's not up to me. BTD is traveling to a court appearance he has somewhere tomorrow.

Since I haven't been online today, I have nothing to report. I'm heading out to dinner, so here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Awesome... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:13:39 PM EST
    ...Booker T + DBT's + Neil Young = teh sh!t

    Classic stuff. Potato Hole

    DBT's and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on tour this Summer.  Please, please play Red Rocks!!!

    Hard for me to believe... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 07:54:23 AM EST
    I've never seen Tom Petty live...better get on it this go round...ty for the heads up sir!  Was listening to some Traveling Wilburys just last night..."talkin' bout last night":)

    Good good sh*t.

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    TP's not... (none / 0) (#49)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 10:08:00 AM EST
    ...getting any younger, so better get out to see him while you can.  If they stop here, I might have to grow the hair out and see if he's still my doppleganger.  

    Maybe that would get me backstage so I could meet Shonna Tucker of the DBT's--that would be way cool.  More likely I'll have to settle for watching her lay down the beat from afar.  

    Either way, two bands that I can sing along to all the songs!

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    Come on home to the Midwest (none / 0) (#50)
    by Cream City on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 10:33:50 AM EST
    as Petty just added a second show at Summerfest, the 11-day singalong aka musical extravaganza with many stages and many great bands (and lots else to do) on the lovely lakefront of Lake Michigan.

    He gives a great show, and Summerfesters know it, so no surprise that one show was necessary but not sufficient. :-)

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    Primary Election Night in Texas (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by D Jessup on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 08:57:14 PM EST
    Went to my Precinct Convention, no one showed up. So I made myself chair and passed several resolutions: Legalization of all recreational drugs, banned the death penalty, legalized gay marriage and banned pickups unless you wear boots and a cowboy hat.

    Don't know what happened to the Obamabots that hijacked the last convention.  Probably didn't get their marching orders from the One.  

    Heh (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:34:05 PM EST
    Texas two-step?

    That's the way to do it.

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    Getting dates beginning to come (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:50:08 PM EST
    in when husband person should be home, about 30 odd days out.  Wow is he burnt out.  Am I too terrible if I'm a tiny bit glad?  He's a terrible workaholic and he FINALLY wants to come home and be mindless and play with kids for awhile.  He said that he has worked more in the past six months than any years work in Iraq.

    My first reaction: great news. Then, (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 08:42:16 AM EST
    on further reflection, sound like this six months has been really difficult from all angles.

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    He's tired and he's ready for it (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 02:38:18 PM EST
    to be someone else's job for awhile :)  I've never heard him say that before.  But they all laid the ground work for Marja and how to bring Marja to a success if one is possible.  I saw that the new TIME has a big Marja write up in it today, but I only got to read the first couple of paragraphs because it was at the dentist with Joshua and I was needed and being summoned.

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    Not at all terrible. (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:02:14 PM EST
    I hope you all get some well deserved R & R real soon, MT!

    Good friend and client called me in tears (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:21:40 PM EST
    now it's the week before market and things are usually crazy, and she's care taking her Dad from bladder cancer surgery. So I thought the tears and inability to speak clearly had to do with a combo of both. First thing that became clear. . . . her Dad listening to Fox News at a loud volume during all waking hours, lol!~ And she's a mod Repub! I ended up asking her if I should start conditioning myself before I get to CA as my Dad does the same. She warned me against it very strongly, lol!~

    Oy.

    Something in the water (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:35:43 PM EST
    down there.

    Funny because when I've been down there a few times, the Texans I ran into were just nice as could be, and you'd think they were all raving, slobbering maniacs from the way they vote.

    If we judged the citizens... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 07:58:45 AM EST
    of any state by their elected officials, the whole country would be considered stark raving mad.

    But I hear ya, Texas especially.

    We must always remember the wise words of Kurt Vonnegut...only psychopathic personalities (pp's for short)want these jobs.

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    Um, not here (none / 0) (#52)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 11:38:09 AM EST
    but maybe VT is unique.  Our elected officials pretty directly reflect who we are, and although some of them are better or worse than others, none of them are stark, raving mad, thank goodness.

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    I think Vermont is unique.... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 01:10:57 PM EST
    look at my state, NY.  Polar opposite to Texas in many ways...and a state government filled with maniacs.

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    Sense Prevails in the Senate (none / 0) (#1)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 06:51:07 PM EST
    Bunning finally caved, under withering criticism from those in his own party.

    A law that provided stopgap road funding and longer and more generous unemployment benefits and health insurance subsidies for the jobless expired Monday. Without the extension, about 200,000 jobless people would have lost federal benefits this week alone, according to the liberal-leaning National Employment Law Project.

    The measure to be voted on tonight would extend through the end of the month several programs that expired on Monday, including the jobless aid, federal highway funding and help for doctors facing cuts in Medicare payments.

    It would provide a monthlong extension of the programs to give Congress time to pass a yearlong fix that's also pending.

    Earlier on Tuesday, Bunning objected to a request by Maine Sen. Susan Collins, a fellow Republican, to pass a 30-day extension of jobless benefits and other expired measures.

    When asked Tuesday if Bunning was hurting the Republican Party, Collins said, "He's hurting the American people."



    Too bad (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:21:31 PM EST
    The spectacle of him ranting and raving at 3:00 a.m. would have been very interesting....And Reid by making Bunning stay up all night could have sent a message to the other Republicans....

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    Just tuned in (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:33:46 PM EST
    He could barely get the words out when he moved to waive the budget point of order that Boxer raised against his amendment.

    He's a doddering old fool, and he may have just saved the Dems from themselves.

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    And Blanche Lincoln votes with Bunning (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:53:34 PM EST
    How to lose an election in three easy votes. . .

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    Huh? I missed that (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:57:39 PM EST
    She is gone anyway....She should do the right thing between now and then....

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    Seriously??? (none / 0) (#14)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:28:38 PM EST
    The woman is completely meshuga.

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    Yup (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:33:23 PM EST
    I think this means she is considering (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 08:52:38 AM EST
    not running.   its a big f**k you.


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    Maddow did some interesting (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 09:00:00 AM EST
    reporting about that last night.
    I didnt know his local newspaper had wondered openly if he was becoming mentally impaired.

    she also had a great segment on the republican senators who are lying (and actually used the word) about health care reform.


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    Bunning has caved (none / 0) (#2)
    by kmblue on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 06:51:40 PM EST
    sorry (none / 0) (#3)
    by kmblue on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 06:52:17 PM EST
    forgot link rule

    Anyone see all of Ghostwriter? (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:22:48 PM EST
    I dozed off and am trying to decide whether to buy another ticket.

    If you slept long enough (none / 0) (#15)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    to miss important turns of plot, then maybe you'll want to go again. Otherwise, the nap may be more a sign of the film's staying power than your own.

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    Can anyone suggest (none / 0) (#9)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 07:44:46 PM EST
    a really good audio book for a once-avid reader with elite taste in lit?  -- No classics, please.  Must be something contemporary.  

    Jeremy Irons reading (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 08:33:46 PM EST
    Nabokov's "Lolita." Mesmerizing

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    Nice lead (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ZtoA on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:39:00 PM EST
    I'm reading "Reading Lolita in Tehran" and it is fascinating.

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    I'm told to read this book time and (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:08:08 PM EST
    again and also the Red Tent.  I keep putting them off for some reason though.  I think I'm at a life stage when I want to fight for the issues that are important to me more than I want to deeply understand my womanhood.  I gobbled up such books though in my twenties.  I think I was only absorbing info though to be able to be a better educated fighter :)  It brought me a sort of peace as well to understand more fully the unfairness and inequality.  My heart doesn't want peace on the subject right now, it wants to fight the fight right now.

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    MT, Well, I'm not finished with the book but... (none / 0) (#27)
    by ZtoA on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:27:06 PM EST
    It does not fit my preconceived views....so far. It starts off with a group of young women coming to a private literature class and throwing off their burkas with brilliant colorful clothes and characters underneath. I related to that - we all have some outer oppressive dull outfit (cloth or deeper) that if thrown off, even for an instant, reveals a human spirit that includes color and life.

    I get your not wanting to have your eyes closed right now...! Sounds like your heart is already open so that makes a good combo.

    I started Lolita in Tehran after reading Michael Datcher's "Raising Fences", which, admittedly is from a younger pov.

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    Jeremy Irons (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ZtoA on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:13:06 PM EST
    was great in "Reversal of Fortune". That movie opens up after multiple viewings. I think its because of his masterfully subtle and -rather- underplayed portrayal of his psychological/archetypal character. I knew a man like that - only he was poor and jobless, yet his relationship to women was very similar, so the portrayal was truly archetypal and not just a product of class and wealth.

    Irons should be fantastic reading "Lolita" - which should be a classic for every age. Young women, cut off from their support systems, 'accessed' sexually, blamed for the wish to 'access'. Great book to read in Tehran or anywhere for that matter.

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    Youtube actually (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:20:30 PM EST
    had my favorite Jeremy Irons movie quote from that movie.

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    Jeremy Irons and Glenn Close (none / 0) (#28)
    by sher on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:16:04 PM EST
    in Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing was one of my best theatre experiences; I think Irons would be wonderful reading anything!

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    also good in the (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 08:56:19 AM EST
    some what butchered version of "Twins" that was named "Dead Ringers".
    a Cronenberg movie.


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    "Damage" and (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 09:08:36 AM EST
    "Brideshead Revisited."

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    Sounds fabulous (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:00:59 PM EST
    just to think about

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    Audio books are very (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 03:16:49 PM EST
    underrated.

    Two of my personal favs: Martin Balsam reading Tropic of Cancer..and for the (surreal) kiddie in all of us, Carl Sandburg reading his own Rutabaga Tales.

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    What's the proper English term for 'Blecccch'? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ellie on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 10:02:01 PM EST
    I just had to hit that jump:

    Hotheaded Emanuel may be White House voice of reason By Jason Horowitz, WaPo, March 2, 2010

    Rahm Emanuel is officially a Washington caricature. He's the town's resident leviathan, a bullying, bruising White House chief of staff who is a prime target for the failings of the Obama administration.

    But a contrarian narrative is emerging: Emanuel is a force of political reason within the White House and could have helped the administration avoid its current bind if the president had heeded his advice on some of the most sensitive subjects of the year: health-care reform, jobs and trying alleged terrorists in civilian courts. [...]

    Emanuel's allies say there is no such thing as Rahm at rest. According to almost everyone who has ever worked with him, he has an insatiable need to be in the mix, and he is deeply concerned with the news of the day. His office is the White House nerve center. "In order to get a final decision, everything needs to go through Rahm's office," said a former administration official who thinks Emanuel should delegate more.

    Every morning, Emanuel leads a 7:30 meeting with about 10 senior administration aides, pushing through the president's priorities, all listed on index cards embossed with the title "Chief of Staff." Throughout the day, one senior administration official said, Emanuel might call six times to determine whether he can cross off an item. If not, it is on the list the next day.

    The official said Emanuel surveys colleagues' opinions "more than people think." Emanuel's initial reaction to criticism is likely to be slamming down the phone. But usually, he calls back after a few minutes, the official said, and says, " 'Okay, let's talk.' "

    His weighing in on a mind-boggling swath of governmental and political activity adds to his outsize image as chief of staff of everything. As a result, he can be blamed for almost everything, especially as health-care legislation became stuck, the president's approval ratings dipped and widespread angst about the economy fueled a GOP resurgence.  [... bleccch ...]



    Well, well, well (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 11:39:26 PM EST
    Oddly, the identical narrative, including some of the same phrases, that was so successfully peddled to the Milbank creature.

    I wonder whether -- I hope -- that means he thinks he's in trouble in the White House.

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    Get the antidote, (none / 0) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 09:08:07 AM EST
    Dan Froomkin's (long) article in Huffington Post responding to Rahm's Valentine to himself that was forwarded to Milbank and Horowitz.  Froomkin calls Rahm "Chief of Sabotage", but clearly notes that there is really little light between Rahm and his boss.  Essentially, Rahm is a "Bush Democrat", which, of course, with Bush in the name is not intended to be flattering (and soon Democrat will not be either).  The upshot of that comment is that they fear what the Republicans might say or do so they just cower. Recommended reading.

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    Thanks for the tip (none / 0) (#51)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 11:35:39 AM EST
    Going right over there now...

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 07:37:29 AM EST
    Cohabitating doesn't make a marriage last

    Now, my mother always told me this, but I never believed her.  And of course, this isn't the first study I've seen that had the same conclusion, but it's interesting in 2010 that the results are pretty similar.

    Couples who live together before they get married are less likely to stay married, a new study has found. But their chances improve if they were already engaged when they began living together.

    The likelihood that a marriage would last for a decade or more decreased by six percentage points if the couple had cohabited first, the study found.

    The study of men and women ages 15 to 44 was done by the National Center for Health Statistics using data from the National Survey of Family Growth conducted in 2002. The authors define cohabitation as people who live with a sexual partner of the opposite sex.

    "From the perspective of many young adults, marrying without living together first seems quite foolish," said Prof. Pamela J. Smock, a research professor at the Population Studies Center at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. "Just because some academic studies have shown that living together may increase the chance of divorce somewhat, young adults themselves don't believe that."

    The authors found that the proportion of women in their late 30s who had ever cohabited had doubled in 15 years, to 61 percent.

    Half of couples who cohabit marry within three years, the study found. If both partners are college graduates, the chances improve that they will marry and that their marriage will last at least 10 years.

    "The figures suggest to me that cohabitation is still a pathway to marriage for many college graduates, while it may be an end in itself for many less educated women," said Kelly A. Musick, a professor of policy analysis and management at Cornell.



    Using 10 years as a bench mark? (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 08:07:11 AM EST
    What a low expectation.

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    Here is yesterday's NPR (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 08:50:19 AM EST
    "All Things Considered" on this study.  Decidedly different view.  NPR

    I found these portions particularly interesting:

    "You don't see many long-term cohabitating relationships that just last and last, because people want that ring and that honeymoon and that party to show themselves that they've achieved what, in America, is a first-class personal life," Cherlin says.
     [Emphasis added.]

    And:

    "Those women who, when they were 14 years old lived with both of their parents, were much more likely to have their first marriages last at least 10 years than those who were not living with both of their parents," Chandra says.

    On the other hand, for men, Chandra says, there was no relationship between growing up in an intact family and whether the men remained married themselves.



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    From that same link (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 09:00:18 AM EST
    As for whether the marriage will last 10 years, federal researchers say that for the most part, the answer is yes -- two-thirds of marriages do last 10 years. The factors that determine whether a marriage lasts have stayed the same over the past decade. You're more likely to hit the 10-year mark if you marry someone much like you: similar in race, background and education; if you're over 26; if you are college educated, with at least a bachelor's degree; and if you have a child during the marriage.

    Really interesting (and sad), since 50% of marriages still end in dovorce, that means there are a great many that end after 10+ years.

    And what I found really interesting is that the more education you have, the greater chance you'll marry and stay married, and those with lesser educations won't.  Women with higher educations, who theoretically could take better care of themselves outside a marital relationship, get married and stay married longer than women who may theoretically "need" a man around more.

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    Yeah, I Heard That Today (none / 0) (#42)
    by daring grace on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 09:01:19 AM EST
    the phrase "first class personal life" stuck in my mind...

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