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The big event tonight is the Celtics-Cavs Game 6 in Boston, with LeBron, fresh off possibly the worst performance of his career, trying to stave off elimination and maybe, just maybe, playing his last game as a Cav.

I hate the Celtics, but I don't really care for the Cavs either. In any event, either team will lose to the Magic in the next round.

The Suns-Lakers do not start their series until next Monday. Sheesh. That said, Viva Los Suns! BEAT LA!

This is an Open Thread.

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    Withdrawal of US combat troops (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ruffian on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:35:23 PM EST
    from Iraq delayed.

    Just posted this in the AM open thread. Sorry for the repeat, but it's important.

    In a message to Congress yesterday, President Obama said the situation in Iraq continues to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

    If this is indeed true now I see no reason to believe that it will change in the near term (5 - 10 yrs) no matter what we do.

    This is unacceptable.

    Time for a re-authorization from Congress, with real costs figured in, since we know what they will be based on the last 8 years. Tell us how we are going to pay for it, like they had to do with HCR.

    Progressive blogosphere? Spin cycle commence....

    The Irony (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by squeaky on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    Once the new government takes hold, given that we allow it (lol), Sadr will demand that the US leave. Right now, Allawi seems to be the main one crying about US security forces creating a vacuum.

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    Indeed (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:47:29 PM EST
    We cannot control their internal politics. Well I take that back - we can if we want to be occupiers putting in place a puppet government.

    That will be true whether we leave now or 5 yrs from now.

    Aaaargh.

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    Trouble In Dodge (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:41:31 PM EST
    Well the real reason, imo, is that our man Allawi, is out. And Sadr is going to be the driving force in Iraq. And the crap about Iraq being influenced by its neighbors, takes a lot of hubris, considering our role in that country.

    The concern about increased violence is pretense, imo.

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    maybe this? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:56:00 PM EST
    Al-Qaida operatives who have been detained for years in Iran have been making their way quietly in and out of the country, raising the prospect that Iran is loosening its grip on the terror group so it can replenish its ranks, former and current U.S. intelligence officials say.

    This movement could indicate that Iran is re-examining its murky relationship with al-Qaida at a time when the U.S. is stepping up drone attacks in Pakistan and weakening the group's leadership. Any influx of manpower could hand al-Qaida a boost in morale and expertise and threaten to disrupt stability in the region.



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    AP Operatives... lol (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Thu May 13, 2010 at 05:04:25 PM EST
    "This has been a dark, a black zone for us," former CIA officer Bruce Riedel said. "What exactly is the level of al-Qaida activity in Iran has always been a mystery."
    Note to Wingnuttia: Well you shouldn't have outed Valerie Plame, because she was gathering information in Iran.

    Note to squeaky: We outed Plame because she was gathering information in Iran. Now we get to make up what is going on there, you know the old saw: "

    We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you' re studying that reality--judiciously, as you will--we'll act again, ...

    Plame was messing with our version of reality...

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    Sen Nelson, Sen Menendez Tweet (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by squeaky on Thu May 13, 2010 at 05:34:54 PM EST
    Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), who is staunchly opposed to expanded oil drilling off the U.S. coast, posted a message on his Twitter account after Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) objected to a unanimous consent request to pass a measure that would raise the liability cap for oil companies that cause spills from $75 million to $10 billion.

    "Senator from Alaska just sandbagged my bill to hold BP accountable for up to $10 billion for the oil spill," he said.
    Murkowski said that she is open to the idea of raising the cap, but said lawmakers need to consider the amount more carefully. She said if the cap is raised too high, that could squeeze smaller oil companies out of the offshore drilling business because they would not be able to be bonded and insured....

    Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), a sponsor of the measure, had tweeted about the request earlier in the day....

    "Inexplicably, Republicans are protecting negligent oil companies like BP and blocking our efforts to prevent a BP bailout," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in a statement. "Through their obstruction, Republicans are leaving taxpayers on the hook to pay for BP's negligence."

    the hill via digby

    The Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act is DEAD. (none / 0) (#13)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 13, 2010 at 06:58:56 PM EST
    Big Oil Keeps Its Bailout -- For Now:
    Senator Robert Menendez had introduced legislation,  (The Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act) that would have ensured BP can't hide behind the $75 million liability cap that the oil industry had previously lobbied and obtained from Congress for damages from an oil spill.

    But Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski, once again using the Senate's "Polish rules" by which a single senator can prevent the majority from legislating in a crisis, blocked consideration of the bill. [snip]

    BP itself had earlier promised not to hide behind the $75 million liability shield, and claimed that it would pay any legitimate claims.[However], just a few hours before Murkowski bailed out Big Oil, Transocean, BP's partner in Deepwater Horizon, filed a motion in federal court not only to hide behind the $75 million liability limit, but to use an antiquated 1851 maritime law to limit its liability to only $27 million.

    Maritime law was the basis for Exxon's dodging most of its liability for the Valdez oil spill, -- written for merchant ships but now being applied to enormous oil platforms on the reasoning that, if it floats, it must be a "vessel."



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    You NYers, hate all Beantown teams (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by BobTinKY on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:12:26 PM EST
    that's fine.  The feeling is of course mutual.  Enjoy the Knicks.

    Go Celts!  Go Bruins!

    big game tonight (none / 0) (#72)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:17:00 PM EST
    hoping they get their act together.  Otherwise there are gonna be a lot of depressed and drunk bostonians around tonight.

    Although it can't be as bad as last Friday.  Talk about a sports massacre.  And there should still be some left over sports-glow from last night.

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    woot woot (none / 0) (#1)
    by CST on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    go Celtics!

    LeBron ain't got nothing on the Big One.  Even you have to appreciate Rondo's game 4.  I mean he did something that no one has done since Wilt Chamberlain.  And he's 6'1"!!!

    The Caves always struck me (none / 0) (#9)
    by brodie on Thu May 13, 2010 at 05:04:18 PM EST
    as dangerously two-dimensional.  Basically, LeBron from the outside, LeBron to the rack.  I don't know that the other four even constitute the LeBronnettes, as Jordan had his quality backup singers the Jordanaires.

    And, while I've barely seen any of the Eastern teams this year, who were the geniuses who decided to underrate a team like the Kelts with 3 bona fide HOFers, aging though they are, plus one b.f. young point guard superstar who's got game.  That's 4 scorers to guard.  

    I hear the Magic are loaded this year and maybe they should be favored, but I would never count out the dudes in green squeezing out one more title before age and injuries finally do them in.

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    Hard to be a Magic fan (yawn) (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu May 13, 2010 at 04:51:54 PM EST
    So few games when we SWEEP all the time!!!

    Bring 'em on, whoever!

    will do! (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:57:28 AM EST
    The Celts have been looking pretty solid.  I wouldn't count them out yet.  The Cavs had the best record in the league... and they just got shut down.

    I have to say though, the Cavs at the end of the game just gave up.  It was kind of pathetic.  I don't care if you are down by 9 with 1 minute to go, in the playoffs, in a game you have to win, you keep playing till the whistle blows.  That was just sad, they didn't even try.

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    Padres sweep the Gianst. (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 05:01:16 PM EST


    *pout* (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Thu May 13, 2010 at 06:53:06 PM EST
    conga-rats though! :)

    I need to get a Giants hat, and one for the lil' Dude also. Who cares if his daddy is an A's fan, lol!~ he's gonna be watching games with me (yes, he already has a Yankees cap!) often enough.

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    I wonder if the Suns will (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Thu May 13, 2010 at 07:26:55 PM EST
    wear their "Los Suns" jerseys again?  And, what if they wore them in LA?

    Sweet!! Jenna from aboutastro.com, (none / 0) (#15)
    by observed on Thu May 13, 2010 at 08:57:44 PM EST
    is lowering her price!
    I got a free reading just by entering my birthdate, but to get the full benefit of her expertise, I need to pay for a complete reading.
    Since my life is about to enter a crucial phase, she thinks I really need the guidance of an astroger. She has sent several touching, personal notes to me, saying how worried she is that I am not getting the reading, because without it I won't be able to turn my financial situation around. But now, she's come down to $45!
    I'm so excited, I think my money chakra is going to burst!

    Now that she's coming down in price, I think I'll try for the price of a cheesburger.


    Mmmmmm ... cheezburgurzzzaaarrgh [/Homer Simpson] (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ellie on Thu May 13, 2010 at 11:34:54 PM EST
    Jenna be damned.

    I'd stick with the cheeseburger and fill your immediate future with bliss. Guaranteed.

    GIMME THAT PICKLE PLEASE!!!

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    Le Poisson Rouge in Manhattan. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    Have any of you been to this venue?  Sounds interesting.  

    Why do you folks even live in NYC? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 10:32:27 AM EST
    OK I'll Bite (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:19:38 AM EST
    Are you asking the question because no commenter here has either heard of, been to, or felt like responding to your question about poisson rouge?

    Well there are many things here that keep the locals happy. In fact so many high quality venues and activities, people, events, that it would take several lifetimes to do or even become aware of just 10% of what goes on in NYC.

     

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    Lots of photos/reviews in NYT and a (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:28:45 AM EST
    friend just sent me stuff from the New Yorker.  Too far south for my usual stuff but I plan to check it out.  Lots of contemporary music.  And lots of jazz.  Some more traditional classical chamber music.  But also clinking glasses from audience.  Don't think I would like that.

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    Yeah, I Checked Out The Site (none / 0) (#50)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:42:28 AM EST
    Could be ok, seems a bit popular for my tastes... but who knows...

    You might also like, or know of Joes Pub. Slightly farther uptown (less scary by a few blocks.. lol), and perhaps not quite as young a crowd, lot's of jazz and other music..

    Also it is right next to the public theater, and accross the street from one of Jeralyn's favorite NYC asian restaurants, Indochine.

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    Nothing to do w/scary. I do plan to (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:44:45 AM EST
    check out Joe's Pub.  

    Segue;  Public Theater.  Got suckered in by Brantley review to see a play there.  Incomprehensible.  Went back and re-read the review on line.  Only one commenter enjoyed the play.  Everyone else:  huh?  William Defoe starred.  

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    Well (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:04:14 PM EST
    One of the great things about being in a hub of culture, is that there are many venues for new and untested artists to ply their wares. In order to be in the fray of contemporary art scene, one must allow for lots of "misses".  

    In general I am allergic to theater, primarily because it is usually bad, and way too hard to leave a crowed theater without making a scene. Vomit bags are never supplied.

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    I have seen more wonderful theatre (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:06:57 PM EST
    in NY than "misses."  One recent, expensive "miss," for me, was Twyla Tharp's "I'll Fly Away."  Although my friend really enjoyed it.  She also enjoyed musical of "La Cage."  I prefer the original French movie.  

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    Yeah, Well (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:15:44 PM EST
    That may be the difference between uptown venues and downtown venues. By the time it gets expensive, and uptown, it is usually sifted through the selection process.

    Problem with that, imo, is that much of the good stuff gets filtered out with the crap.

    Not to mention that the natural selection process at play, in the move from downtown to uptown, often produces expensive pablum.

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    World travelers: What do (none / 0) (#17)
    by Cream City on Thu May 13, 2010 at 09:28:23 PM EST
    I not want to miss in Rome, for only a few days?  Not only the amazing world-famous buildings and ruins and such, but perhaps lesser-known, out-of-the-way wonders as well?  The perfect cafe.  The tiny specialty shop.  The winding little street to see at a certain time of day when the famed golden light of Rome strikes it just so. . . .

    I've been consuming travel guides and websites and more, but nothing beats word-of-mouth.  So I'm all cyberears.:-)  

    I have just the person to ask (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:14:17 PM EST
    Tomorrow at work. stay tuned......

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    OK. Got out the Michelin Green. (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:40:37 PM EST
    Pantheon, Basilica of San Clemente (make sure to see all layers of this amazing place), Chiesa di Santa Prassede, Museo Barrico di Scultura Antica, Largo di Torre Argentina, Chiesa di Santa Maria del Popolo, Basilica di San Paolo Fuori-le Mura, Museo e Galleria Borghese (need ticket ahead of timme), Museo Nazionale Etrusco di Villa Giulia, Ponte Sant' Angelo (Bernini workshop statutes), there is a guided tour of the burial cities underneath the Vatican--need a reservation--very interesting to me--my friend thought it was boring!), hike up Janiculum Hill,  Sant'Ivo alla Sapienza (Bernini--near Piazza Navone),  

    Places to eat:  Agusto in Trastevere, a terrific place for carbonara near Campo di Fiori--also sells wine and cheese, need reservation, can't remember name--maybe Rustica?)

    I went to Rome Opera twice. First time was pretty dreadful, but Tosca (season ender) was wonderful and Zefferelli was on stage at intermission).  Also very much enjoyed hearing St. Cecelia Orch. and Chorus at the Renzo Piano auditorium--beyond Piazza di Populi.  Tickets on line.  Free bus back to Termini.  

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    Oh, and be sure to read "Four (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:45:08 PM EST
    Season in Rome," by Anthony Doerr.

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    Excellent; I also ought to have asked (none / 0) (#33)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:07:48 AM EST
    for airplane reads! :-)

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    And you are a carbonara fan, too? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:12:46 AM EST
    Love it, still make my favorite recipe from the old PBS series -- I still have the cookbook -- called "Romagnolis' Table."  Did you ever see it?  The cookbook still may be available, and we now are entering the season for other yummy recipes I learned from the show for zucchini.

    And I may do the catacombs, even if I do not underground under the Vatican.  A colleague, in the office next to mine, gave a wonderful presentation a few years ago about the catacombs and what they tell us about class stratification in Roman society.  I was fascinated by the PowerPoints alone.  

    He also is giving advice -- as he did the research after landing the prestigious Rome Fellowship, a year in Rome.  Can you imagine?  Of course, his advice may not be as comprehensive as one might expect, as he spent the year in the catacombs and in the catalogues of libraries.:-)

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    How about publishing the recipe here? (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:03:48 AM EST
    I love carbonara.  

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    Will do, if I can get through (none / 0) (#64)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:57:43 PM EST
    the too-few days left now to get through all of the grading of papers, final grading, inputting (from h*ll, with server overloads) of grades, forms to fill out about each student for the files, final setup needed here for summer courses upon return, two commencement weekends (spouse's and mine), instructions for housesitter, canceling newspapers, prepayment of bills, ordering prescriptions ahead. . . .

    What else have I forgotten, world travelers?

    Oh yeh.  Packing.  And for a trip longer than any I ever have done, and I am not at all an experienced traveler.  So I am flummoxed about packing.  Yikes!

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    Put hold on mail--on line. (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    It will most likely be hot and humid, with some rain.  Sandals are not comfortable for walking in the rain!  Pack early and then take stuff out.  Big pain to lug too much stuff around.  

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    Vatican Museums (none / 0) (#27)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:31:43 AM EST
    OK - not off the beaten path. A tour might get you into the hall of the animals and the hall of the portrait busts - both amazing. Also, the Vatican has one of the best collections of pagan (Greek and early Roman) art.

    But my favorite is the Sistine Chapel. Saw the big wall cleaned (The Last Judgment of Christ) a few years ago (I'd seen it pre-cleaning many years before, so the difference was interesting) I was admiring the colors and thought the background blue looked in hue (the shade of color) to be an ultramarine blue. Ultramarine means from "over the water" and the pigment was made from Lapis from mines in Afghanistan (the best lapis mines are still there today and even tho a chemical ultramarine is the standard today, a true lapis can still be purchased with some searching).

    Ultramarine Blue was an incredibly expensive pigment and was supplied by the patron, not the artist (it reflected the importance/wealth of the patron). Since the wall has this singular hue (tho it is not very saturated) I thought "whoa, that must not actually be lapis 'cause, think of the $$$ it would have cost". Sure enough, turns out it was. Reformation was a sort of teaparty.

    In any case the Vatican Museums are completely wonderful and fascinating. St. Peter's is breathtaking. I guess one is supposed to feel appropriately overwhelmed. I happened to be there the very day this current pope had the coronation ceremony and it was interesting to see St. Peter's as a living spiritual setting, rather than a modern-day notion of museum. For some reason the Italians seemed to have lots of comments about the Pope's shoes.

    Sigh, sounds like great fun!!!

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    I found the trip through the Vatican museum (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by andgarden on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:07:08 AM EST
    insufferable.

    You have no choice but to walk the path they choose for you. And even if you don't look at much, it takes hours to get through.

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    I agree. The "herding" effect (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:05:00 AM EST
    is oppressive.  I think if you pay enough you can go on a private tour when the museum is closed.  That would be worth it.  I did wander around on my own for an afternoon after being in the herd in the a.m.  

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    I think the trick is to go (none / 0) (#47)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:18:30 AM EST
    really early. But I agree, it is a commitment! My last trip I literally got kicked out of each room I visited - so at least I pretty much had the rooms to myself - along with some very cute young Italian guards. And my favorite sculpture rooms - roman portrait busts and the hall of the ancient animals - are not open. You just have to peer down the dimmed halls that radiate off the main one. Not sure why they are not open - they were when I was there in early 80s, but it might have to do with if the Pope is alive or something.

    I was curious why the church has such a pagan collection. Supposedly the Apollo Belevedere served as a model for the Christ in the Last Judgment.

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    Like a cultural IKEA? (none / 0) (#93)
    by Raskolnikov on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:25:56 PM EST
    If I were to imagine a hell for myself, it would be IKEA...been once, never again.  Shame I never made it to Rome on my trip to Italy, stayed the while in Tuscany.

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    thanks for the great laugh! (none / 0) (#95)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:37:14 PM EST
    Yes, it IS a bit like IKEA. Hate to admit it since I love the collection! Of course that would make MOMA like Costco.

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    Thanks -- I actually may get (none / 0) (#32)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:07:13 AM EST
    a "private tour," whatever that is, of the Vatican -- a benefit of going along for the ride with a Catholic university's group, it seems.  As an ex-Catholic, I feel a bit guilty about that -- because, of course, I was raised to feel guilty.

    So I suppose that if I do get such a tour, I will feel that I ought to go to confession . . . but I don't do that any more, either.

    Ah, the conundrums of the "fallen-away." :-)

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    jealous (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:22:45 AM EST
    always wanted to see the Vatican.  
    but I think if I walked in the door all kinds of alarms would go off or something.

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    Ha. Now you have instilled (none / 0) (#56)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:32:44 PM EST
    that fear in me.  "Alert!  Fallen-away former Catholic now a Prot on premises!  Grab those rosaries and start praying for her lost soul!"

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    Beware of swooping guardian angels. (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:46:47 PM EST
    always (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:10:40 PM EST
    Please design a warning sign! (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:55:48 PM EST
    The first time I saw the ceiling (1989) (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:06:29 AM EST
    half of it was restored and half wasn't.  The oranges were the most striking change.  Second time I saw it the restoration was complete.  

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    The 'restoration' was, and is still (none / 0) (#52)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:48:42 AM EST
    highly controversial. IMO the cleaning was too drastic. But some of the color restoration is exciting to see! I think the oranges you mention are true vermilion, a poisonous pigment which is again available from at least one color maker as an oil paint. I wouldn't have wanted to be the apprentice who had to work with toxic mercuric sulfide, lead and others in order to pigment the fresco.

    The reason it was controversial is that it cleaned down to the base fresco and many think Michelangelo added a dark (black) glaze to further define the images. In places details like eyes (!!) were cleaned off. Oh, well, can't put them back now I guess.

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    Re restoration, I also may get to go (none / 0) (#57)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:33:30 PM EST
    to Assisi to see the lovely church there that was hit by the quake.  I hope that the restoration was a good one. . . .

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    I prefer the lower church. If you (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:40:31 PM EST
    want to see lots of Giotto frescoes, go to Padua.  Amazing.

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    Excellent. The spouse just said (none / 0) (#63)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:48:36 PM EST
    as I read the header on your comment, ah, yes, that's someone who likes frescoes.  (He was there before the quake and liked the lower church, too.)

    Then I read to him the rest of your comment, and he already is mapquesting to see how far we will be from Padua and whether we can fit it in his schedule.  Thanks!

    (He also is freeking at more revelations as to how much I was inculcated in Catholicism.  For every town named, I know the patron saint.:-)  But then, I grew up in a very Catholic town and went to the largest Catholic high school that drew from all over, so I knew classmates from St. Francis of Assisi parish, St. Anthony of Padua parish, etc. -- and almost every parish holds huge summer festivals to raise money.  In sum, what he thinks is vast knowledge of Italian culture really is just knowledge of American Catholic fundraising culture.:-)

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    Padua is an easy train ride from Venice. (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:00:09 PM EST
    Tip:  you can buy a second ticket for the chapel containg the marvelous frescoes, as each group has a limited amount of time inside.  We hiked in rather hot weather to St. Anthony's in Padua because on of our small group's mother was born in Naples and her patron saint was--you guessed it--St. Anthony.

    New subject:  unusual cartoon frescoes in cathedral in San Gimignano.  Plus all those remaining Renaissance towers we've read about.

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    Ah, I am hoping for time (none / 0) (#78)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:52:40 PM EST
    for Venice. . . .  I'm still waiting to see how much spouse working there can get away for such trips.  Thanks again for these tips -- much on this thread is being copied and cut-and-pasted into emails to self and to spouse for easy retrieval in Italy.  You can bet that I'm adding this one, as spouse actually teaches and researches about cartoons.  Even did an honors class on cartoons!  I always have wondered what the parents thought who were paying pricey private-campus tuition for their honors progeny to take a class in . . . cartoons. :-)

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    venice is amazing (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:20:43 PM EST
    too bad you'll miss the biennale. But the Guggenheim is pretty great. You can see Magrittes, lots of 20th C artists, and there are actual dust bunnies all over the Pollucks! (drove me crazy - you'd think they could dust the paintings) And Peggy's pet cemetery for her beloved dogs. Great food everywhere, - gelatto!

    I took my teenage daughter to the 2005 Bienalle and her reaction was "These artists just discovered photoshop? They are not that cool and they need to get over themselves." She has learned to see the emperor's clothes since then.

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    Which has more merit: a college-level (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:54:42 PM EST
    course re cartoons or a college-level course re The Beatles?

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    Here you are! (none / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:06:02 AM EST
    From a Roman I work with who is on temporary assignment here in the US.

    That's a list of things/places they shouldn't miss (as most tourists do):
    *    Giardino degli Aranci: a wonderful little garden on top of a Hill....there is a door with a hole that points straight to St. Peters dome....it's amazing
    *    Gianicolo: you can have a breathtaking view of all Rome and the surrounding hills...and every day at noon sharp they fire with a cannon! They should not miss that
    *    Pizzeria Frontoni Viale Trastevere: best pizza in the world. They have a kind of empty focaccia, then you choose the size and the stuff you want to put inside! I miss that so much!
    *    Trastevere: it's a neighbor with all little streets and restaurants and shops. That's a pretty tourist place but it's worth a visit.
    *    Tony's Gelateria (Viale Dei Colli Portuensi): best gelato ever!!!! It is outside the tourist area (but not too far). If they have a chance, they should definitively go there!!!! The cream and marron glaces flavors are unbeatable!!!
    *    Porta Portese: huge flea market on Sunday morning (close to Trastevere). You can find literally everything....just beware of pickpockets if they visit!

    Enjoy!!! I hope I get to use this list too someday!


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    This is wonderful -- the spouse (none / 0) (#58)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:38:06 PM EST
    also was just informed of these tips and others, and he also is very grateful.

    He has been to Rome several times yet is unfamiliar with almost everything on this list!  Tips from a real Roman?  He is delighted -- in part because we will be there with a very regular visitor there, which is great, but now we get to give him tips.   That may help to get the spouse invited back there again next year -- so maybe we will see you there then. :-)

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    I was underwhelmed by Trastevere. (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:41:29 PM EST
    That it is "touristy" per the Roman (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:49:21 PM EST
    does mean it may not be this tourist's cup of espresso.  But then, I do have to do some shopping for things to bring back to family, and I would bet that it might be the place to find just the things for my fashionable daughter and daughter-in-law.

    Daughter came back from trip to NYC last week with quite a good haul of cheap knockoffs from Canal Street, a tip from a niece who lives in NYC.  I must get there next time . . . although I am too old to look the hottie that daughter does now in her fashionable sunglasses, her fashionable purses, her fashionable crops, etc.  And all at once! an overload of trendiness for this town, where she looks like a fashion alien amid the babushkas.

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    We couldn't really buy much in Rome (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:00:03 PM EST
    because of the exchange rate--you will do better.  I did buy a couple of unusual pairs of earrings near the Piazza di Populi--between the Piazza and the Ara Pacis.  

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    Ah, good tip -- (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:39:16 PM EST
    earrings won't take up much room, bringing them back. :-)  Yes, we are watching the Euro-to-dollar ratio, quite a change from not long ago, when we worried whether we could afford to eat there.

    But other signs, such as soaring costs for this program compared to last year in rent and the like suggest that we may see the result of inflation there.

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    I hope it is all as good as it sounds! (none / 0) (#67)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:03:31 PM EST
    Keeping in mind it is one man's opinion...Luca is reliable about most things though, so I trust him.

    The shopping plaza might me too much for me, but I love the hilltop view spots, and gelato!!

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    When are you leaving? (none / 0) (#70)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:10:57 PM EST
    Another friend here told me about a church with an amazing optical illusion dome on the inside. Seems they ran out of money building it, so painted the dome instead. He can't remember the name though, and Luca is gone for the day, so it might be a couple of days before we figure out the name.

    Maybe someone else here or your husband knows the name.

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    A couple of weeks to go (none / 0) (#74)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:38:36 PM EST
    but I'll be online there as well -- I did order an upgrade for my beloved wee netbook, now with a 6-cell battery to give me a total (with the lesser battery as well) of 8 hours at a time away from power outlets.  Also got a great little shoulder bag for it -- a bag made in Italy, actually -- to take it with me for hours of fun in cafes, connecting with home while people-watching and sipping espressos.  I am really looking forward to Italian coffees, based on what I have heard.

    I shall be on a caffeine and sugar high for my entire trip, I bet.  Two of my favorite food groups.:-)

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    sounds awesome (none / 0) (#77)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:49:38 PM EST
    we all have our vices.  I was in Italy at the age of 11, and at the time I didn't drink coffee, but I sure loved dipping the sugar cubes in my Dad's espresso - which definitely gave a caffeine/sugar high.

    I'm seriously looking forward to my upcoming lifestyle change (still not set in stone but looking more and more likely).  Maybe I'll start a travel blog.  Man, if travelling around the world isn't the perfect job for a 25 year old I don't know what is.

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    I am reading Paul Theroux's latest (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:02:46 PM EST
    navel, "The Dead Hand."  Set in Calcutta.  Just finished chapter where U.S. consulate employee introduces protagonist to Paul Theroux.  Both the protagonist and Theroux are travel writers.  Very funny.  

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    Navel/novel. Maybe the same in (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:03:26 PM EST
    this book!

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    haha (none / 0) (#85)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:07:19 PM EST
    the real question is - has a dead hand actually shown up in the book yet?

    I love discovery novels.  Finally read "the mapmaker's wife".  Combination travel/discovery/nerdy science.

    I think in a former life I was a cartographer.

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    First illusion is to writer's block. But (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:08:14 PM EST
    then there is an actual dead hand. With no fingerprints.

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    allusion (none / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:08:32 PM EST
    CST, I have become fascinated (none / 0) (#90)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:41:32 PM EST
    by maps lately.  Spending time in the American Geographical Society collection.  Bet you would love it. I'm especially fascinated by learning a lot about all the interesting artwork around the maps and what they tell us.

    A colleague just retired who used to teach our course in the history of maps.  Darn it; I would have liked to stop teaching to be a student in that one. . . .

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    maps are great (none / 0) (#92)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:49:10 PM EST
    especially old maps that really give you a feel for the terrain and surroundings, not just lines on a page but real art.  

    I mean, a lot of what I do now involves looking at maps, and in a sense creating them, but it's totally different from the old days.  Now with google earth and satellite images and computer technology it's not the same.  Although a big part of what I may be doing is going to places where they don't have good images or any files in place so that we can map them and make accurate plans.

    As a kid I used to spend hours reading the Atlas that we had, and planning all the places I wanted to see and live.  I always liked the ones that show topography too.  Gives you a real feel for the place.

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    p.s. and re the gelateria . . . (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:42:12 PM EST
    . . . the spouse already is salivating.  On his last trip to Italy last year (when I could not go along), he had gelato every day, sometimes twice a day.  Yet he came back weighing less than when he went, owing to all of the walking.

    We since have had some fine times trying gelato from Minneapolis to Melbourne, and just had some last weekend in Milwaukee, and all were great.  But I suspect that those memories will dim when we try the best gelato in Rome.  Wow.

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    I find I can eat as much as I want (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:05:59 PM EST
    on vacation too, since I love to walk everywhere. Frequent gelato stops seem to be a perfect idea in Rome! Give you that burst of energy for the next trek.

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    Yes, I am a different person (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:44:31 PM EST
    when traveling, taken out of my sedentary mode of living in books, in libraries -- or not walking but racing from one meeting to the next to be sedentary for hours more, as meetings go.

    Spouse noticed that on trips, I do not race.  Nor do I walk, he says.  I amble.  Arms no longer swinging to keep pace with legs racing, but instead, hands clasped behind my back, just rolling along to gaze on sights galore.  Those who know me well in my usual environment, watching me veer from sedentary to racing, do not believe it possible.

    But spouse has gotten to see the real me: an ambler through life, if the life I chose only allowed it.  One day, it will.  Of course, that also would require a different clime, as I spend so many months in one not conducive to ambling.  Not on icy sidewalks. :-)

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    I definitely amble, and my friends (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:04:56 PM EST
    kind of race-walk.  I say--did you see that cornice?

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    I said (none / 0) (#91)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:44:34 PM EST
    in Ireland, several times -- did you see that pagan goddess or symbol on that church?

    I was told by the natives to shush, lest the more conservative sorts get out their fig leaves.  Best-kept non-secret in Ireland is that it still is such a pagan land in the loveliest ways. :-)

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    NYT (Michiko Kakutani) review (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:03:27 PM EST
    of Jonathan Alter's "The Promise:  President Obama,, Year One":  link

    Interesting parts are nearer the end of the review:  Afghanistan, Wall Street.

    Also a bit about "one-term" thought of President and characterization of Hillary Clinton by Alter as initally "too deferential" to the Pres. in meetings, "just shy of obsequious."  

    "Just shy of obsequious"... (none / 0) (#20)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:27:31 PM EST
    Just what I've always aspired to.

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    Let's face it. The woman can't "win." (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu May 13, 2010 at 10:41:22 PM EST
    Yup. anything shy of (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:10:06 AM EST
    'just shy of obsequious' would have been 'just shy of bitterly wanting his job'.

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    Alter's just shy of obnoxious -- no, scratch that (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ellie on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:28:54 AM EST
    He's not shy at all.

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    If Orrin Hatch wasn't a big enough turbo-d0uche.. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ellie on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:44:12 AM EST
    ... before, check out the torrential sleaze pouring off this vid-op / public sand-bag Hatch set up for SCOTUS nom Elena Kagan.

    Don't forget the NHL playoffs (none / 0) (#28)
    by cymro on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:33:34 AM EST
    Go Sharks!

    Lewis Black (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:56:23 AM EST
    on Glen Beck

    make sure you empty your mouth.

    Top law school rewards plagiarism (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 09:03:27 AM EST
    and so does top law firm.

    Sequel to my questions here as to what constitutes a "first-rate legal scholar" who has so few publications.

    I continue to be baffled by the field of law, I guess.

    Strange guilt trip (none / 0) (#37)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 10:21:24 AM EST
    I know there is this whole Boston vs. NY sports rivalry and all.  But people in MA need to stop trying to blow up NYC.  First there was 9/11 where they used our airport to fly planes into the WTC.  Now the Times Square bomber apparently had connections outside Boston.

    I mean, I hate the yankees as much as the next guy, but this is a bit much.

    when I lived there (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 10:23:09 AM EST
    it seemed that I saw a lot of muslims.  I know that because the women were covered.

    are there a lot or was I just lucky?

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    I think (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 10:47:55 AM EST
    the student/medicine sectors tend to draw a lot of Muslims.  To be honest, I don't remember seeing a ton growing up (I was probably in the wrong neighborhood), but since my sister converted (and is now covered) I know a whole lot more now.

    But I wouldn't necessarily expect more around Boston than in other parts of the NE.  Although maybe as a percentage of the population it is a bit higher.

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    Tennis @ San Quentin: (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:02:45 AM EST
    LAT

    Pelosi's new rules on House travel: (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:21:33 PM EST
    AP

    Lawmakers and their staff will have to fly coach or economy class for almost all overseas trips, with business-class seats allowable only when a trip is more than 14 hours, Pelosi said. The new rule applies to domestic flights too.



    Good (none / 0) (#94)
    by Raskolnikov on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:31:31 PM EST
    Makes sense, a lot of businesses are doing the same thing, reserving first class travel for only the top executives, even VPs/General Managers are having to fly cattle-class.

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