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Twitter And Playing The Dozens

Farhad Manjoo:

After watching several of these hashtags from start to finish and talking to a few researchers who've studied trends on Twitter, I've got some potential answers to these questions. Black people—specifically, young black people—do seem to use Twitter differently from everyone else on the service. They form tighter clusters on the network—they follow one another more readily, they retweet each other more often, and more of their posts are @-replies—posts directed at other users. It's this behavior, intentional or not, that gives black people—and in particular, black teenagers—the means to dominate the conversation on Twitter.

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There are loads of caveats to this analysis, which I'll get to in a moment. But first, a digression into one of the leading explanations for these memes—the theory that the hashtags are sparked by something particular to black culture. "There's a long oral dissing tradition in black communities," says Baratunde Thurston, the Web editor of the Onion, whose funny presentation at this year's South by Southwest conference, "How To Be Black Online," argued that blacktags were a new take on the Dozens. "Twitter works very naturally with that call-and-response tradition—it's so short, so economical, and you get an instant signal validating the quality of your contribution." (If people like what you say, they retweet it.)

I don't twitter so I don't know about this phenomenon, but "playing the dozens" was a staple of my formative years (I went to predominantly African-American public schools.) Anyone know about this?

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    I used to play too... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:42:37 AM EST
    never heard it called "the dozens" before though.
    All in good chop bustin' fun...who am I kidding, we still play...especially involving recreational sports.  "You're so slow I could time your 40 with a sundial."

    Not sure how well the game lends itself to electronic communication...best played face to face so you can see the dissing is all in jest...by tweet sh*t could be taken literally.

    Heh....I thought it was called (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:16:24 AM EST
    Yo Mama Friday :)  We didn't play anything like this at my grade school, heaven forbid.  But in some close knit soldier circles they agree upon having a Yo Mama Friday, and you can only act uncivilized and politically incorrect about mothers on Fridays.  According to my husband the best Yo Mama Friday slam artist in his Afghanistan bunch was a woman.  Makes me proud.

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    We did it pre/post basketball games (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ellie on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:56:09 AM EST
    I grew up in a very mixed neighborhood with a  heavy first and second generation Jamaican presence.

    We called it Tossin' or Throwin' Down, which skill was also shown off by what records one could mash into the mix and (ex temporanea) speak to (Toast).

    The stuff on the court was just nassssty. (I was ::: cough ::: quite good at that.)

    Good times!

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    Oh yes... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 01:24:47 PM EST
    with disses like "why don't ya build your moms a house with all them bricks and get her arse off the street."  The classic film "White Men Can't Jump" had 'em all....

    Some more of my favorites from rec league football...

    "You've got hands like feet!"

    "I toasted your arse like an english muffin!"

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    Wednesday's in high school... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:30:35 AM EST
    we used to whack each other in the nuts...you walked down the halls with your books shielding your junk on Wednesdays, or paid the price.

    No idea how that one got started...

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    Population control (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:35:45 AM EST
    Abstinence doesn't work :)

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    It was Catholic School... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:44:57 AM EST
    maybe the Franciscan Brothers started it to cop cheap feels:)

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    Ewwwwww (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:47:05 AM EST
    You win

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    Ouch (none / 0) (#29)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 01:31:06 PM EST
    Lucky it wasn't a nun with a yardstick.

    Coulda' done some damage.

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    Playing the dozens (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:44:34 AM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58:50 AM EST
    Thanks for that, it goes a long way to explain what was going on in my elementary school...  I took it personally, and thought that it was a one off insult..

    super interesting...

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    Wiki says "the dozens" was a tool of (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:15:42 AM EST
    non-violence--usually.  This would save the U.S. soooo much money.  

    If you got yourself out of the opera a little (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:18:25 AM EST
    more often, you'd know more about how peace practicing everyone else is :)

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    True. A pretty violent medium. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM EST
    Manjoo's article says (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:27:16 AM EST
    25% of twitter users are black, or at least have black avatars. And it was interesting that at least a portion of those users are using twitter as a more give and take community rather than strictly following celebs or pols or bloggers (like I do).

    The research he cited was not about white users, so maybe there are similar clusters there.

    All in all I mostly wish I were in school now studying this kind of stuff, like that researcher at Carnegie-Mellon he quotes.

    25% AA (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 12:32:31 PM EST
    75% Justin Bieber.

    So, because you went to black schools... (none / 0) (#3)
    by StephenAG on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:48:36 AM EST
    You think you can throw down? If you want to we can turn this thread into a "yo mama" joint and really see how formative your early days were! But don't worry; I'm only messing with you.

    Just don't tell me that you were having a "Dr. Laura" moment and that I am being "hypersensitive" in this situation! Peace!

    Lost my skills (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:51:05 AM EST
    Right (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:17:05 AM EST
    This explains alot about those Daily Kos (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:47:24 AM EST
    days, don't ya think?

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    I was thinking the same thing :) (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:52:57 AM EST
    I'd be reading this fairly brilliant (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:54:54 AM EST
    write up that would inspire a few new neural connections.......and then suddenly I'm in The Hood :)

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    Snappin' was the term we used (none / 0) (#6)
    by vicndabx on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:04:17 AM EST
    as in "oh, u tryin' to snap?"

    well, your mom's got a wooden leg w/a kickstand....

    What's sad is I really can't remember most of them.  I would imagine twitter only works well for straight one-liners that don't have a physical component.  I have vague memories of snaps that needed one to see the person talking do something to make the joke funny.

    Interesting point about all this in the context of Dr. Laura, not just anyone can use some of the jokes told, e.g. your moms is so black that.....

    Playing the Dozens... (none / 0) (#7)
    by NealB on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:04:27 AM EST
    ...here would violate at least two or three of the TalkLeft comment policy bullets, wouldn't it?

    I think you're good... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:28:00 AM EST
    if you put one of these at the end...:)

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    Deep Roots: Lion Culture from Yo MamaLand (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ellie on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:46:09 AM EST
    All of Africa especially, and hugely, respects the ways of big- and little-L lion symbolism, where the de facto power is with the lioness: the deadliest and most efficient land predator.

    Smart, organized, and totally awesome, she's the brains and engine behind the regional pack. The Alpha Lion has his role and formidable powers (of course) -- think King and Queen on the chessboard.

    The sport of stepping to each other's respective Queens by Young Lions is a fun sports/cultural display. Being a sore loser is more shameful to your side than being out-witted.

    (On BTD's vid: still LMAO at the American Authors category: "Nathaniel Hawthorne's Mama's so stank ..." Gawd, I loved that show.)  

    Anyone except me curious how the researchers (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:48:44 AM EST
    got all this info re other people's tweets?  

    Twitter gave it to them (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 01:01:34 PM EST
    From Manjoo's article:
    Nevertheless, Brendan Meeder thinks he's got a good hypothesis about what's going on. Meeder, a Ph.D. student at Carnegie Mellon University, has downloaded the tweets of more than 100 million users. (Twitter gave him special permission to do so for research purposes.)


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    Do you think people who tweet realize (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 01:04:33 PM EST
    their utterances are the property of Twitter?

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