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From MLK's "I Have A Dream" To Beck's "Welcome To My Nightmare"

By now you should know about the offensive Glenn Beck "Restoring Honor" event to take place at the Lincoln Memorial on the 47th Anniversary of MLK's "I Have A Dream Speech." Truly one of the more offensive stunts in recent memory. And no doubt the day will provide us coverage of this:

With this:

Which puts in mind this:

Speaking for me only

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    So when exactly (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:04:11 PM EST
    did America lose its honor, and how is Glenn Beck the right man to give it back to us?

    Just guessing, but I imagine that the moment (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:14:32 PM EST
    when America "lost" its "honor," in the minds of these folks, is the moment when it elected a non-white President.

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    And it will take (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:49:52 PM EST
    a pink faced, white crew-cutted demagogue - who likes to remind people that "social justice" is a commie code word - speaking to a sea of white faces and enraged red faces to restore it..

    I wonder how many times he's going to reference the proud "honor restoring" legacy of MLK in his speech (while Fos News captures for the nation and for all time, the images of the four AAs attending the event)..

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    Welcome to the World of the (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by hairspray on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 12:14:57 AM EST
    very, very rich Koch brothers.  As billionaires, they put Richard Mellon-Scaife and his Arkansas project to shame.  The Koch brothers (according to the latest new Yorker) fund every radical right wing think tankers and crazies in the basement that will smear Obama.  With that kind of money they can brain wash the public.  I just hope that social media will be able to counterweight this.  However, all I see from a lot of social media is self indulgence. Pity!

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    Koch vs Soros?? What's the over and under? (none / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 03:42:50 PM EST
    Their politics don't even compare. (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by hairspray on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48:11 AM EST
    Abolishing the IRS? Abolishing the infrastructure of the U.S.    Have you ever lived in a South American country with two levels of society i.e., rich and poor? Puleeeeze

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    Ah yes, that well known racist (none / 0) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 04:04:26 PM EST
    Alveda King spoke to the crowd.

    (Sarcasm alert.)

    King, the niece of civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr. and daughter of his brother activist A. D. King, is currently the director of African-American outreach at the pro-life group Priests for Life and has recently stepped into the spotlight after several appearances on Beck's radio program.

    ABC News

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    Racist? I don't think anyone said she was, ... (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 08:42:03 PM EST
    ... or claimed that there were no AA people at the rally, but she's a winger alright.

    director of African-American Outreach at the Roman Catholic pro-life group Priests for Life. She is currently a Senior Fellow at the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, a conservative Washington, D.C. think-tank...

    The Advocate magazine has quoted King speaking out against gay rights... In a 1998 speech at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: "Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality."

    She was a speaker at Beck's rally?

    Shocker.

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    Well, I wouldn't want (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 29, 2010 at 10:32:47 PM EST
    a speaker to have freedom of speech and religion...

    They might want to build a church in Iran...

    lol

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    No one questioned her right ... (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 29, 2010 at 10:52:35 PM EST
    ... to be an ignorant, bigoted, fundamentalist wingnut, just as no one questions your right to make sophomoric arguments and post ridiculous, specious accusations on your own blog.

    BTW - "Freedom of speech and religion" are rights which the constitution protects from government action in the United States.

    See if you can spot the flaws in your "logic".  (hint - check the italics)

    Keep at it awhile ...

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    Racism Really? (none / 0) (#8)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:53:13 PM EST
    So your suggesting that the entire rally, the organizers and all the participants are Racist?  The whole thing is because President Obama is "non-white"?  

    Do you even know what the rally is about?  Or did you simple pre-judge it because you don't like Glenn Beck?  

    I'm sure you're making MLK proud.

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    Heh (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:53:55 PM EST
    There are almost certainly (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:00:25 PM EST
    a fair number of non-racists directly involved in this event. I'd almost be willing to bet on it.

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    I violation of my own resolution against (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:52:13 PM EST
    feeding the trolls, and taking Dave's questions (#8) to be sincere and directed at me, I will say:  (a) No, I am not suggesting anything of the sort.  Because that would not be true.  But also, if you have read any of my comments on this blog, you would know that I try to say exactly what I mean, and don't engage in "suggesting" other things that I'm not expressly saying; (b) I didn't know that "Racist" was a proper noun that called for capitalization.  Is that the name of a political party now?  Or a nationality?  Or what?  (c) No, I don't know what the rally is really about.  I've tried to figure that out, and I am at a loss.  In fact, that's where this thread started, I believe.  (d) I'm very sure I'm not "making MLK proud," since he is long dead, having been assassinated in 1968 (in case you haven't heard).  Your opinion of how well I am living up to King's principles, on the other hand, is of less than no interest to me, since you don't know me at all.

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    I was wrong (none / 0) (#10)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:55:15 PM EST
    Looks matter....
    I thought one reason Obama was "acceptable" to so many was that he was Denzel Washington black, not Al Shapiro black.

    Didn't think the 1-drop rule was still so powerful.


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    I assume you mean (none / 0) (#19)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:14:58 PM EST
    'Al Sharpton', not Shapiro.

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    oops (none / 0) (#22)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:21:22 PM EST
    freudian slip?

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    Well, but let's remember (none / 0) (#109)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:30:40 PM EST
    there was a great deal of the same yada yada from the right wing about Clinton.  Remember little Georgie campaigned very specifically about "restoring honor and dignity to the Oval Office" to wild cheers from the GOPer crowds?

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    I guess you could say... (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:20:16 PM EST
    we've teetered between honor & dishonor since our founding...but I'd say the moment we lost it and went into a dishonor spiral was Reagan's inauguration in 1981.

    Maybe Beck's shindig can be the wake-up call that we've lost our minds and our honor...and it's time to get both back...but that's a longshot.

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    Yes, exactly (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:51:03 PM EST
    "Reagan's inauguration in 1981."

    "Government isn't the answer, Government is the problem" was, arguably, the final beginning of our end.

    1."Get Government off our backs"....the Rich know better, they don't need no    stinkin regulating.

      2. "Welfare Queen"....It's now o.k. to hate the poor.

      3. "America, the city on the hill".....G*d says it's o.k. to bomb the hell out     of anybody we want.

    But he sure read Noonan's speeches well

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    For me, Nixon's election in '68 (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by oldpro on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:20:26 PM EST
    was the height of dishonor.  If not, maybe you'd consider his reelection in '72.

    Maybe you had to be there as some of us were.  Currently reading "Nixonland" and now it all comes back to me...the beginning of the end.

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    Oh, I was there.... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 07:46:16 PM EST
    Jack was killed in my Freshman year at Syracuse. After Martin, my brothers joined up for a little time-sharing vacation in SE Asia; ole shooter couldn't talk them out of it, and since I promised their mother I'd always watch over them, me too.

    But I wouldn't argue Nixon vs. Reagan; IMO Nixon was the placeholder, Reagan kicked it between the posts, into the end zone.

    And like Mussolini made the trains run on time, Nixon did have some good things passed during his watch. Of course Congress hadn't gone completely deranged yet either.


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    Agree. (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by christinep on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 09:25:53 PM EST
    I used to think that it couldn't get any worse than Nixon. Oh my--just warm-up. Reagan was the scary sleeper. (That is why my concern is so evident now about a split Democratic party--ala 1980 & Carter. I poo-pooed it then; won't do the same now. The effects are too real, and too long lasting.)

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    Yup, (none / 0) (#115)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 02:16:13 AM EST
    just the thought of another Righteous Righty on the SC is enough to scream the never ending scream.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#110)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:33:14 PM EST
    Nixon was a thoroughly dishonorable stinker, but he was no ideologue and he did very little lasting damage.  "Nice guy" Ronnie, OTOH...

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    Jon Stewart's take on it (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:35:03 PM EST
    Jon Stewart's tag line, (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:04:43 PM EST
    "I Have a Scheme" pretty much tells it all.

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    'I have a stick' seemed to be Beck's thematic (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by RonK Seattle on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 06:19:26 PM EST
    ... tag-line. I have a stick, you have a stick, George Washington had a stick, we all need to pick up that stick and ... I'm not sure what, but I don't want to be there when it happens.

    Or maybe it was "I have a shtick". So hard to tell sometimes from real-time closed captioning.

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    Bech makes Bill O'Reiley look like a (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by tigercourse on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:09:26 PM EST
    moderate upstanding journalist. There's something about this guy that produces a profoundly uneasy feeling in me. Like seeing a big mean dog without a leash... this guy feels like a predator.

    I don't understand what this event (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:16:21 PM EST
    is supposed to be about. Has he explained somewhere how America has lost her honor?

    About $$$$ (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:26:07 PM EST
    So exactly how much does Glenn Beck make? In 2009, Glenn Beck made a salary of $32 million dollars. Even though he's best known at a FOX News host, Beck's TV gig only nets him $2M a year. Other avenues are more lucrative. For speaking events, Beck made $3M. He made $4M through his website and online store. Radio brought in a big $10M paycheck.

    What's the biggest moneymaker in Glenn Beck's talk empire? Books! That's right, he makes $13M a year through print, from both his bestselling books and Fusion, his 10-month-a-year magazine. With all the talk about how print is dead, the fact that Beck earns 6.5 times more in print then on TV will leave many folks scratching their heads - more than just his liberal critics.

    link

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    indeed (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:37:36 PM EST
    and as much as he makes this is the sad part.  if you scroll all the way down the the bottom of the site you find this:

    This rally is compliant with IRS Rules and Regulations found in IRS publication 557 and IRS publication 4221-PC. For tax purposes a gift to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation is deductible in accordance with Internal Revenue Service's tax laws. No goods or services were provided in exchange for your contribution. The purchase of Restoring Honor Rally merchandise is not a donation to SOWF, but all net proceeds from the sale of Restoring Honor Rally merchandise is being donated to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. All contributions made to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation (SOWF) will first be applied to the costs of the Restoring Honor Rally taking place on August 28, 2010. All contributions in excess of these costs will then be retained by the SOWF. Tax ID 52-1183585.

    get that?
    so in spite of the fact that Beck is a gazillionaire and is so concerned about honor all the money they make from this will be used to pay for the event, pay themselves and THEN whatever is left over will go to the SOWF.

    you cant make this sh!t up.


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    More (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:27:26 PM EST
    Dubbed "Beckapalooza" by Politico, it has already garnered Beck untold hours of free media coverage and, however high or low the turnout is, it is guaranteed to make Beck the center of attention for a few more media cycles next week. For a man selling books -- "Arguing With Idiots" comes out in paperback Sept. 14 -- free media is a valuable thing.....

    So Beck and Sarah Palin, his fellow featured speaker, will get their free self-promotion rally, and SOWF will get the rest; they've reportedly already raised $5 million. (The event was originally billed as the unveiling of a new Beck book called "The Plan," which would outline steps to take over the next 100 years to "restore our great country." That was later scrapped for a vague focus on restoring honor.)

    The one catch is that the sponsorship of SOWF -- a tax-exempt charity -- means that the event cannot be "political," as Beck's promotional literature emphasizes.

    Salon

    This flood of money comes to SOWF at an interesting time. Legislation passed by Congress in 2009 amends the GI bill to provide children of all military personnel killed in the line of duty after September 11, 2001 with full scholarships equal to in-state tuition for a public university, plus a stipend for living expenses and books.

    This largely duplicates what SOWF does, although Rosenthal said funding from her organization will cover tuition for children whose parents were killed before 9/11 and will also supplement the new government funding. The GI bill, for instance, only pays for four years of college, while SOWF will pay for students to attend school longer if they need to. SOWF also pays for more expensive private college tuition and provides money beyond the limited stipends included in the legislation.

    I asked Rosenthal if she worries SOWF's reputation could be tainted by its affiliation with the divisive Beck. She said SOWF required speakers at the event, who will include Sarah Palin, to sign an agreement promising not to talk politics. "Because we're involved, it cannot be political," she says.

    swampland

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    just one more quote (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:43:38 PM EST
    hope you gag reflex is weaker than mine

    Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to America's service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.

    Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.



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    Yes (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:59:28 PM EST
    And it comes as no surprise that Glenn Beck's books are not part of the charity auction or merchandise that goes to the charity.

    This event is about selling books, imo. Beck is an entertainer and writer, and He has a Scheme...

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    to his credit (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:14:21 PM EST
    he is on record as saying "if you take what I say as gospel you are an idiot"

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    I guess it's time to change (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:03:27 PM EST
    Barnum's dictum to read "There's a sucker born ever second".

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    He doesn't know (none / 0) (#60)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:34:21 PM EST
    He is just God's humble servant and will act as God's mouthpiece at the event....

    He is a reluctant Moses being led by the Lord....

    And, didn't I say it was all about religion....

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    Huh. (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:36:55 PM EST
    God has some really, really, really bad taste then.

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    Next, David Duke's (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by observed on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    "Reclaiming the meaning of the Holocaust", with guest speaker David Irving.

    If was someone (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:39:43 PM EST
    that I had the sense had some experience with the person under discussion, while acknowledging that I had none, I'd probably just shut up until I had more information.

    For at least thirty (1.00 / 1) (#82)
    by me only on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:46:09 PM EST
    years the left has called anyone they don't like a racist.  I don't trust the opinion of any progressive when it comes to evaluating the values of the political opposition's character.

    I won't ever have more information about Beck unless he runs for office, because I don't care about Beck.

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    You object because, you say, (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 05:12:21 PM EST
    "For at least thirty years the left has called anyone they don't like a racist."  (I disagree with that opinion, by the way.)  Then you proceed to say "I don't trust the opinion of any progressive when it comes to evaluating the values of the political opposition's character."
    You don't trust the opinion of any progressive in this matter?  You're quite the fount of sweeping generalizations today.

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    Since this blog (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:54:18 PM EST
    is loaded with progressive-types, whose assessments you have no respect for, why come here?

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    Because I value the opinion as long (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by me only on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:14:31 PM EST
    as it concerns the issues, not their assessments of their political opponents reasons for disagreement (e.g., greedy, racist, whatever.)

    While many might call me a contrarian, I would rather participate with a group that I don't necessarily agree with.  I left Orange because it devolved into name-calling and ranting. I don't see any value in participating on a blog with a bunch of like minded people.  I work with people like that.  The point of participating, for me, is to seek out a variety of opinions, many of which I do not agree with, but can respect.


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    It's extremely rare (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:42:43 PM EST
    to find any discussion of issues by anyone that doesn't at points delve into a discussion and attempt to understand the motives of those driving the issues.

    People shouldn't speculate about racist motives, why? Because racism and xenophobia have played such a negligable role in American history?  

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    Ah, you forgot religious wacko (none / 0) (#97)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 05:20:12 PM EST
    the most salient trait.

    If the GOP gets rid of them, the Ayn Rand pipe-smoking, smoking jacket, tweed country club Republicans can be counted on to put up nothing more than token opposition to liberal ideas......

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    The ironic thing (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:24:52 AM EST
    or one of them, being that Rand herself was a self-proclaimed militant atheist, who claimed to love Russian literature except for Tolstoy, due to his "altruistic philosophy". Which is something the Becks of the world obviously don't emphasize when they plug her work..

     

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    I have avoided this topic (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by masslib on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 07:30:20 PM EST
    as much as possible.  I just find it so disturbing.  This Glen Beck is a real nutcake.  Reminds me of those ignorant Lyndon Larouche kids I've been seeing around town with their Obama as Hilter posters.  The world has gone mad.

    He's going to use his disengenuous (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 07:36:07 PM EST
    'what, me? Just laying it out there' simpleton style to turn MLK's words against people of color and claim the white people are the true victims of discrimination. It is a common theme of he and his followers. That is what is offensive about it.

    I think he really believes that someday his recorded words will be played at the Lincoln memorial along with King's. In fact, look for a 'grassroots' call for that soon after the rally.  

    Disingenuous Yes (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 07:45:15 PM EST
    But I do not think that he is in this for anything more than the money. He is like one of those tele-evangelists. He has figured out that if he can entertain a big enough number of people he will be rich beyond measure.

    American dream, he is a huckster, imo.
     

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    No argument there (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:10:20 PM EST
    Aside from the politics- (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 04:00:14 AM EST
    Aside from the politics which I kinda of ignore when it comes to events like this, where does anyone get the idea that MLKJr owns a specific date of the year, and so that on any iteration of that date, be it the 2nd, the 23rd, or the 47th as in this case, only MLKJr events can be held?

    And a like comment about the location can also be made.

    Look at it this way.  More attention will be given MLKJr because of this event than it would have had otherwise.

    I have a dream (none / 0) (#2)
    by Saul on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:10:28 PM EST
    that one day Beck will be gone. If he is married I pity his wife and children what hell must they be going through.  

    but but but (none / 0) (#5)
    by Buckeye on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:35:15 PM EST
    According to Beck, black folks do not own Dr. King and his legacy (apparently Beck thought they assumed they did).

    Therefore, Beck thinks it is perfectly honorable to give his right wing speech on MLK day.

    Heh (none / 0) (#111)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:35:31 PM EST
    It's not MLK Day.  That's January.  This is just the anniversary of the great march on Washington and the "I have a dream" speech.

    To be honest, I totally believe Beck and Palin and the other organizers had no clue the date and location they'd chosen had anything to do with MLK.

    And to be even more honest, if you'd asked me a month ago even the approximate date of "I have a dream," I could not have told you, and I was alive when it happened.

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    Thanks. I meant the I Have a Dream Speech (none / 0) (#116)
    by Buckeye on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 03:07:23 AM EST
    and incorrectly typed MLK day.  I did not know the day either until this event, even though I have seen the speech many times (and it is the day before my Bday).

    What bothers me the most about this is the arrogance.  Apparently, Beck has decided that America need to restore its honor and that he is the one to do it.  What glorious past that has anything to do with King are we trying to restore?  Slavery, Jim Crow?  King would much prefer the time we are living in than anything in the past.

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    I agre entirely (none / 0) (#119)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 09:22:30 AM EST
    but the wailing and moaning and pi$$ing about how Beck deliberately chose this day to somehow either violate MLK or compare himself to MLK or whatever the theory is seems to me just over the top.

    Beck is disgusting, but he's entitled to have his appalling rally.

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    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:30:22 AM EST
    I had no idea that this was the day of the MLK speech, either. Beck on the other hand, has managed to come up with a rather amazing coincidence.

    The SPLC has cited Beck among others who sell right wing racist hate for the rise in violence in America. To organize a rally at the same place as MLK, touting the opposite values of MLK, seems quite serendipitous.

    I do not believe that it is by chance.

    Another right wing coincidence?:

    A good example is the upcoming Second Amendment March in Washington, D.C. The website promoting the march is topped by a picture of a colonial militiaman, and key supporters include Larry Pratt, a long-time militia enthusiast with connections to white supremacists, and Richard Mack, a conspiracy-mongering former sheriff associated with the Patriot group Oath Keepers.

    What may be most noteworthy about the march, however, is its date -- April 19. That is the date of the first shots fired at Lexington in the Revolutionary War. And it is also the anniversary of the fiery end of the government siege in Waco and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.



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    These wingers just have an impeccable (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:46:11 AM EST
    intuitive sense of timing the way some consummate musicians and poets do..

    They don't need to plan or calculate these things..

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    O.k (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:38:20 AM EST
    It's pure serendipity, a happy accident, that they chose that particular day and that particular locale for the rally -- is that really what people are suggesting?

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    Beck is calling the event "8/28" (none / 0) (#124)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42:11 AM EST
    ..but they had no idea of the significance of the date beforehand..

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    In case you didn't notice (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 05:33:35 PM EST
    it actually is 8/28.  If he'd held it on, oh, say, 4/27, he'd be calling it 4/27.

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    And the Lincoln Memortial locale (none / 0) (#130)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 07:08:52 PM EST
    was just serendipity too?

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    Do you know Washington? (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 07:52:27 PM EST
    That's where you have big marches in Washington because it's directly opposite the Monument with the Mall in between.  If you're aiming for more than a few thousand people, that's where you go.  And anybody aiming for more than a few thousand people tries to identify with or co-opt Lincoln to justify their cause.

    MLK didn't choose some obscure hideaway location you'd have to research to figure out, he chose the obvious, as Beck did.

    If Beck had done this deliberately, he would have been crowing about it from day one.

    Listen, I'm no Glenn Beck fan, but I think this crapola about the anniversary actually is majorly distracting from the real crap he spews.

    But this event is solely about Beck's growing megalomania.  If you've followed this at all, you'll know that the purpose of this event has veered wildly from one thing to another over time.  He's making it up as he goes along.  It's to glorify Beck.  He's trying as hard as he can to become bigger than Limbaugh, and he'll do whatever he thinks will advance that.

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    I couldn't disagree more (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 08:50:42 PM EST
    and I think the choice of date and locale couldn't be more of a piece with Beck's fumbling, heavy-handed, but consistent attempts to cover his rhetoric with a kind of great-American-tradition veneer and a from-the-pulpit oratorical style in order to assume a kind of faux moral authority that his target audience has been already primed to expect.

    Beck is a mini-corporation; even his books, which list him as the author, always include, right under his name, a "with help from" crew of five or six people..It's ne'er to impossible for me to believe that Beck not-with-standing, no member of the production crew that put this event together, or anyone at Fox, was aware of the historical significance of that particular date and locale.

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    They might well have been (none / 0) (#134)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 09:41:55 PM EST
    though I doubt it because even you and I would have to Google "I have a dream" to know what the date was.  But that's not what the accusation is.  The accusation is that he picked the date and the location intentionally to be on the anniversary of the MLK speech.  I think that's likely hogwash, but more importantly, it's totally beside the point.

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    If he's attempting (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 10:02:50 PM EST
    to frame himself with some of the same sort of moral authority that King had, which I believe he is, then it's completely to the point; in that the patterns and methods of fraud, which this event and it's carefully chosen date and locale represent,   need to be exposed for the travesty that they are.

    I get the sense that you're not giving enough credit to the amount of means, planning and organizing that goes on over there on the Right with it's network of think tanks, well-heeled foundations and Atwaterian/Rovian go-for-the-throat ethos. The Beck-Palin types aren't just the expression of some spontaneous, grassroots, happening; would that that's all it was..        

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    He is certainly doing that now (none / 0) (#136)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 29, 2010 at 09:23:43 AM EST
    and my point is a fairly picky one, simply that that particular point was not his original intention, could not have been.

    But once the anniversary date was pointed out, Beck being Beck, he happily jumped on it.  He really does not care what tack he takes and blows with whatever wind he thinks will get him attention, ratings, book sales, and most importantly, adoring crowds.  He and his rants are entirely inchoate, always have been, because they're in service to nothing larger than his own glory.

    And I think you really misunderstand Beck and the Beck phenomenon if you think he's part and parcel of the organized right.  He's not, and seems to me the choice of the date practically proves it.  The organized right is absolutely a part of the establishment, and while it is happy to exploit, shall we say, racial resentment, it knows how far to push things at each stage of the game.  It's far too smart to make this choice deliberately, and Beck's too oblivious to have done it.  That's my opinion, anyway.

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    What exactly is offensive about it? (none / 0) (#6)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:44:01 PM EST
    You said it's offensive, but didn't say why.  And rather than assume something that might be wrong, I thought I'd just ask.  

    Im guessing (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:57:10 PM EST
    you found nothing offensive, race-baiting and appealing-to-the-lowest-common-denominator about Becks "Obama hates white people" pronouncement on national television either..

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    Well you guessed wrong (none / 0) (#13)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:00:35 PM EST
    And you didn't answer the question...

    but thanks for the snark.

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    Beck is a guy (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:21:41 PM EST
    who presumes to speak as a modern day Dr. King. The real King gave his life, endured many, many hardships besides for his movement. Beck endured morning radio and bad CNN ratings. King lead a great movement against a greater injustice. Beck gets Goldline to sponsor his 'event', uses the legacy of King to promote it, claims to be reclaiming the civil rights movement (for those poor middle-aged white folks, no doubt) invites Sarah Palin to speak at his 'non-political event, and says he's trying to restore America's honor.

    I find that offensive. Don't you?

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    Honor is Offensive? (2.00 / 1) (#29)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:45:34 PM EST
    Why would a rally about restoring America's honor be offensive?  I'd be more likely offended if he didn't care about or wanted to destroy America's honor.  

    I agree with your recitations about Dr. King, and I can see by your recitations about Beck that you don't like him.  Ok fine.  You don't have to like him.  But why do you assume he "presumes to speak as a modern day Dr. King"?  I think the embedded video has him saying the opposite.  And I missed the link where Beck claims to be "reclaiming the civil rights movement".  

    Don't go if you hate Beck.  But offensive?  A rally for Honor?  

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    Preaching Islamophobia is Not Honorable (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:52:09 PM EST
    It is bigoted and a stain on America. Messages about exclusion, hearken back to a time when we thought of non-whites as less than human.

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    Oh, sorry (2.00 / 1) (#38)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:10:32 PM EST
    I missed the part where the event was renamed "Restoring Islamophobia".  

    You think Beck is offensive?  Fine.  Say that in your thread headline, and rant against him all you want.  I'll gladly skip that thread.  

    You claim the event is offensive, I think its fair to ask why?

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    You've ask 'why' (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:23:47 PM EST
    several times, and have now been answered, several times.

    I am done. Hve a good day.

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    You really are THAT thick (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:14:49 PM EST
    aren't you?

    You don't think the fact that Beck and his backers picked this particular day and locale - of all days and locales - had anything whatsoever to do with an attempt to associate Beck with the work that MLK gave his life for and to cheaply, opportunistically glom onto some of that reflected glory?

    Or is it just that you think Beck is really worthy to don King's spiritual-mantle for a day?  

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    "Honor" is not offensive, but as (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:15:43 PM EST
    used by Beck "restoring America's honor" is code for ideas and philosophies that are anything but.

    Little story:

    In 1966, in MD, there was a Democratic candidate for governor, George P. Mahoney, who ran on a slogan of "Your Home Is Your Castle; Protect It."  Now, all by itself, there is nothing wrong with that slogan, but at the time, and given what was going on with civil rights, it was code that signaled that Mahoney sided with those who believed their property values would plummet if blacks were allowed to move into traditionally all-white neighborhoods.  

    Here's a link to an excerpt from Google books that makes for interesting reading on the Mahoney candidacy and local politics at the time.  I was only 13 and not into politics, but I do remember lots of discussion about it.

    Dixicrat Dem Mahoney lost that election to Republican Spiro Agnew...and I think you know the rest of that story.

    Anyway, that's what's wrong with Glenn Beck using the phrase "restoring America's honor;" it's code for, "restoring the white man to his proper place at the top of the heap," and usually, God and the Bible are invoked to prove that this should be the natural order of things.

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    What lost honor is being restored? (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:21:00 PM EST
    How did Obama lose America's honor?

    How on earth is that connected to MLK?

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    Assumptions (1.50 / 2) (#72)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:11:05 PM EST
    Don't think Beck said that about this rally...

    But there are plenty of people who think Obama's policies are doing just that.  You won't find them in this sandbox though.

    And I don't think Beck connected it to MLK.

    But maybe the concept of judging a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character is still completely missed by many many people in this country.  Maybe that's the connection.

    So many people here hate Glenn Beck and hate this rally, but can't separate those feelings from the good that could be done raising money for military families.  

    And if you watch the network news, it seems like we cannot have a substantive discussion about anything in this country without people yelling "racist", "bigot", "homophobe",
    "Islamophobe".  Label them as something bad, once they're bad they can never become relevant again, and then you don't have to engage in any discussion or exchange of ideas with them.  

    Maybe that's the connection.  Maybe we should stop labelling entire groups of people into these "bad" categories as a way of making them irrelevant, and a way of silencing them.  Tea Party supporters... racist.  Arizona Anti-Illegal Immigration Law supporters... nativists.  GZ Mosque opponents .... Islamophobes.  Really?  All of them?  Impossible to have any other reason to favor or oppose a particular issue?  

    Read Krauthammer's article today.  Pretty much right on topic.  I'd link it but I got in trouble last time because I used the wrong format.  

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    You dont think he connected (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:20:34 PM EST
    it to MLK? Really.

    The date and locale is what? purely coincidental?

    And what does calculatedly following an "Obama hates white people" script, when so many vital, relevant issues and ideas could be discussed and presented to listeners, say about a person's character?

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    Krauthammer is ridiculous (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:51:26 PM EST
    I read a recent column of his where he tried to take Hugh Hewitt's advice and argue the Cordoba Center should not be built, just as people tried to preserve Civil War battlefields and prevent any commerical development on them.....

    (One problem with this argument:  They are not going to preserve "Ground Zero," let alone its neighboring locales, in their current state.....They are going to build a huge commerical developement with many, many commerical uses right on top of it all.)

    This was Hugh's attempt to steer the argument away from bigotry.  He failed.

    The next Krauthammer column backslide into arguing how insensitive it would be to build the Center based on all the bad things other Muslims had done.  Gone was the absurd comparison to Civil War battlefields....All you American Muslims just get to the back of the bus to spare our feelings....

    Krauthammer is just another reactionary jerk.

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    worse (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:54:00 PM EST
    he is a paid fox shill reactionary jerk.

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    Die-hard neocons like Krauthammer (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:16:05 PM EST
    and his id Pam Geller, view everything Islam-related through a "clash of civilizations" distorting lens; for them it's a constant zero-sum-game propaganda war: any victory for "them", is a loss for "us" and the ideal is the most demonized image of Muslims possible.

    Of course, all that needs to happen is for Iran and Syria to both be bombed back into the Stone Age and they could all die with smiles on their faces.

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    Hmm (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:21:35 PM EST
    Interesting you don't cite "liberal" as a word you'd like people to stop using perjoratively. In fact, all the words you cited are conservative in nature.

    Also, the content of one's character is a nice phrase to take from MLK's speech. But, as you seem not to include, he started by saying "One day..."  If you think we are at that day, if you think, in this day and age, when TV stations can regularly send out a white couple and a black couple to once again show that housing discrimination exists (to cite one example), or when in Arizona you better have your papers ready if you have brown skin, if you think we're at that day of racial harmony and the end of institutional bigotry, then go ahead and believe that. It's a free country.

    Believe it or not, I have listened to Beck, tried to understand what the hell it's all about, and I can only come to the conclusion that he is a seriously addled guy mentally, but is really good at hawking his wares to his audience. He makes a bundle off of them. Beyond that, he communicates NOTHING to me. He is illogical, irrational, and peddles fear FAR beyond anything he could accuse the "other side" of peddling.


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    I think Krauthammer raises valid points. (1.00 / 0) (#98)
    by EL seattle on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:14:00 PM EST
    His observations/judgements seem similar to what Bob Somerby's been saying for quite a while about the destructive inter-tribal screeching that's been going on.  Their two posts today are actually pretty similar, I think.

    Compare and contrast:

    1.) Charles Krauthammer 8/27/2010

    What's a liberal to do? Pull out the bigotry charge, the trump that preempts debate and gives no credit to the seriousness and substance of the contrary argument.

    2.) The Daily Howler 8/27/2010 (concerning Ed Shultz's Wendesday show)

    We have always liked Schultz's basic approach to politics. Of late, though, he has truly become a hater--a pimp for resentment, outrage, offense. He trains his viewers to be deeply offended, on a nightly basis, by all manner of consummate trivia. If the Dalai Lama appeared on his show, Big Ed would try to get his buttons firing. He has become a clown of a man--a force for unhelpful anger.

    I think that when when two smart fellers from two opposing sides seem to agree on something like this, they may be on to something.

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    Krathammer has nothing to say (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:28:48 PM EST
    ● Disgust and alarm with the federal government's unwillingness to curb illegal immigration, as crystallized in the Arizona law? Nativism.

    ● Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.

    ● Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.

    Yes I think it's quite clear that nativism, homophbia, and Islamophobia are quite clear and present and at the center of those three issues in particular. I suppose his answers would simply be: out sh*t smells like roses on every issue, and there isn't a malevolent bone in our bodies; the entire problem is the other side.

    He's a childish finger pointer. And blind as a bat.

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    "Honor" (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:19:48 PM EST
    is a very ambiguous term. And probably intentionally so, in this case.

    Hitler overran two thirds of Europe in part to restore Aryan "honor"; Nixon dropped tons of napalm in the name of "peace with honor"..

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    This is not a rally (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:21:18 PM EST
    for 'honor', but for Becks out-side ego. Calling something 'Restoring Honor' (restoring from what and to what? define 'honor') doesn't automatically bestow you with sainthood, and makes me wonder what someone like Beck, who calls the first Black president a racist, a marxist, a socialist and spins bizarre conspiracy theories knows about 'honor'.

    But really, didn't I answer all this in the last post, or are you trying to be obtuse.

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    Beck has said that MLK (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:23:20 PM EST
    doesn't just belong to blacks.....He is gloming on to MLK in a twisted way.

    Beck haas said tha he wants to relcaim the civil rights movement on behalf of someone (conservatives, whites?)

    His Obama hates white people remark shows us he racist...

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    Cynthia Tucker (2.00 / 1) (#103)
    by prittfumes on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:51:15 PM EST
    agrees that "MLK doesn't just belong to blacks".

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    every news agency but fox (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:26:42 PM EST
    will be forced to talk about the irony of Beck "gloming onto" the civil rights movement for the wingnut right when they uniformly opposed it at the time.

    this could be a teaching moment.

    stay home Al.


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    Oh, it's there (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by cenobite on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:24:37 PM EST
    And I missed the link where Beck claims to be "reclaiming the civil rights movement".  

    Watch the Jon Stewart clip, he has a clip of Beck saying exactly that.


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    you know (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:27:56 PM EST
    I dont even want to know where that quote came from so I am not scrolling up to find it.  I have to much work to do but if they really missed it, it was intentional.


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    A rally for honour led by (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by observed on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:31:26 PM EST
    Beck is worse than a rally for modesty led by Heidi Montag.
    What part of "Glenn back is an ignorant, racist a$$" don't you get?


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    No, "Restore" is offensive. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 11:20:25 AM EST
    If you need to do this one word at a time, however, don't be surprised when people start ignoring you.

    "Restore" denotes that honor is now missing or lacking.  Isn't Beck saying that America is now dishonorable?  Do you agree with him on that point?  What was the turning point from honor to dishonor?

    Was this caused by the popular election of a President that Beck has said "hates white people"?

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    I'll take a shot (none / 0) (#15)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    How about tolerating his fan's actions?

     link

    Just answer the question (none / 0) (#18)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:14:36 PM EST
    What does "tolerating his fan's actions" mean?

    What fans?  What actions? What did Beck tolerate? And what does it have to do with THIS EVENT?  

    and the link shows some guy at a Palin rally.  Thanks for nothing.

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    Hmmmm (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:16:54 PM EST
    What does "tolerating his fan's actions" mean?

    Allowing you to blather on at TL in defense of a self proclaimed racist and bigot... for instance

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    Heh (none / 0) (#21)
    by vicndabx on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:18:53 PM EST
    Self Proclaimed Racist and Bigot? (none / 0) (#24)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:28:08 PM EST
    Do you have a link to his quote proclaiming himself to be a racist and bigot?  

    And you haven't answered the question either.

    Just more snark.


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    OK (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:38:07 PM EST
    Scan through these and get back to us.

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    Most here at TL (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:38:29 PM EST
    Share some common understanding:

    a. posters are, regardless of  
       political leanings, sincere.

    b. posters are post-adolescent

    c. posters posses cognitive abilities at least
       equal to, or slightly greater than, amoeba.

    d. and posters believe asking questions for the
       express purpose of starting an argument is  
       not, let's say, cool.

    Your question has been answered, and I would guess even line "c" would say, conclusively.


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    Thanks again (none / 0) (#35)
    by DaveCal on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:05:49 PM EST
    Nice comments.  Sorry you think I wasted your time.

    I wanted to know what was "offensive" about the event.  I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm trying to find out why one would start a thread calling the event offensive.

    Still no one has answered it.  Oh sure, several people have made snarky comments and acted as if its obvious, but no one answers the question.  

    Since no one is telling me I can keep asking the question, and taking your cheap shots, or I can start assuming and run the risk of getting it wrong (and more cheap shots).  I didn't want to assume, and said so in the first post.  But now you claim I'm only baiting an argument.  So I can't win, but you never have to support your claim that the event is offensive.  Nice playground.  

    You find Glenn Beck offensive?  Say that.  You find the event offensive because its on the day of MLK's speech, say that.  I don't know why the day of a speech would be offensive, but you could try to explain it, if that was the reason for saying "offensive".  You find it offensive because you don't like his politics, and you think it presumes America lost her "honor" and you don't think that's true, say that.  

    But say something.  

    Or keep hiding behind your school yard snippiness and petty taunts.  

    Maybe next time BTD can just indicate in the healine which are the threads where you want an actual discussion, and which are the threads where you just want to rant and rave about all the people you hate.  That way I won't have to waste your time.  

    Sorry if I offended you.      

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    Glenn Beck is (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by CST on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:13:00 PM EST
    an offensive, racist, @sshole.  The complete opposite of what MLK was and represented.

    I'm pretty sure everyone else on this thread making these comments agrees with that statement (except perhaps you?) and considers it a given that others are on a similar page.

    I also think we all assume he is going to use this rally to give some kind of hate-speech, similar to what he spews on the air on a regular basis.  Under the guise of "restoring honor".

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    sorry (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by CST on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:14:42 PM EST
    I forgot hypocritical, islamaphobe, lunatic.

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    Messianic, megalomaniac (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:45:19 PM EST
    greedy, insane, ignorant.....

    Oh, if only there were more time....

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    I don't agree (none / 0) (#75)
    by me only on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:22:17 PM EST
    then again I don't know anything about Beck and don't really care.  

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    You don't know anything, and yet... (4.20 / 5) (#76)
    by sj on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:26:45 PM EST
    ...you don't agree.  Interesting position.

    Okay, no it's not.  

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    Beck absolutely has a right to hold a rally (none / 0) (#16)
    by vicndabx on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    on 8/28.  I'm not going to speak on the "wisdom" of a such a decision however.....

    actually, eff that,

    what an idiot.  It's a damn shame that folks can't see thru his BS.


    it's also baffling (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by tworivers on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:13:17 PM EST
    how anybody takes him at all seriously. To me, Beck comes off as someone who's gone off his meds and now has delusions of grandeur.

    But I guess he resonates with some people.  I find the whole phenomenon bizarre.

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    please..... (none / 0) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:07:53 PM EST
    "some" folks

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    I wish Al (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:30:09 PM EST
    would stay home.  I think he will be a distraction.
    I like him and I am sure he has good intentions but he will be a distraction from the real story.


    Who is "Al?" n/t (none / 0) (#93)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:55:10 PM EST
    Al Sharpton (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:56:13 PM EST
    apparently planning a counter protest

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    Illegal (none / 0) (#28)
    by star on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:43:57 PM EST
    Is Beck doing anything illegal by holding the rally on 8/28? is it not his constitutional right to book the venue and hold a  rally? somewhat like the constitutional right of the mosque builders to build what they want in their own property?
    I truly do not understand the totally different tone about this incident vs the mosque one.. and the same people on this forum are on different side of the issue..
    Disclaimer - I came to America not too long back, loves the freedom afforded to its citizens by this great nation and is a bit baffled by the sudden hostile climate and pettiness going on now a days all based on a D or an R.

    There Is A Difference (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:47:34 PM EST
    Beck preaches hate and exclusion.

    The Sufis involved with the downtown Community center preach love and inclusion.

    Beck is getting rich on hate,

    The Sufis are giving $100mil community center to a dead zone in NYC...  

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    so it is the Wisdom of it all (none / 0) (#33)
    by star on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:55:30 PM EST
    that you are talking about..not the constitutional right?

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    Huh? (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 01:58:08 PM EST
    Constitutional right? Do not see that being challenged, discussed, or questioned here.

    Is this a hijack attempt?

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    As a general matter? (5.00 / 7) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:10:50 PM EST
    Or a specific one? For if you read me on the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" you would have noted that I said that if they want the MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then they had a right to build it but I would not be out there shouting for the MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And if people wanted to display their bigotry and "oppose" the MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (whatever that meant exactly), they had a right to do so.

    I am happy to display my contempt for Glenn Beck and what he has said and done.

    And you are most welcome to support him.

    That is your constitutional right.

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    You have now exceeded your allotment (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:20:40 PM EST
    of exclamation marks for the forseeable future.

    I would, if you get in a bind, be happy to donate some of mine to any cause you deem worthy.

    I'm sure others here would join me in that offer.

    :-)

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    And all caps (none / 0) (#96)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 05:14:12 PM EST
    Don't forget the allotment of ALL CAPS, too.  ;-)

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    Good reading skills. Not many people (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by observed on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:52:24 PM EST
    realize that when BTD says something is "offensive", he favors a constitutional amendment banning the behavior.

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    No he doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by hookfan on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:07:32 PM EST
    He's usually talking about sports. . .

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    personally (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:06:25 PM EST
    I have never said either should not be allowed
    in Becks case I would file it under "enough rope"

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    Beck is self educated Mormon convert (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:32:27 PM EST
    That is really all you need to know....

    His messianic statements that he will ad lib his remarks to let God speak through him, and his stating that he did not know where all this was going, and his comment that he was an imperfect speaker just like Moses....comes from Mormons......

    He is taking the idea of personal revelation and applying it to his t.v. and radio audience.

    Mix in the Mormon White Horse prophecy that Mormon Elders would rush in to save the Constitution when it would be hanging by a thread  (note:  Romney should be asked about the White Horse prophecy), and some weird stuff by Mormon nutjob Cleon Skousen who was even too weird for BYU and wala! (or voila! for Francophiles), you have entered the GlenBeckian Nightmare....

    He apparently lacks any semblance of a formal education that would have made his mind more disciplined and less likely to tilt toward the kooky.

    He is just a huckster who has glomed on to Mormonism and a weird Mormon writer....

    The converting to Mormonism (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:49:51 PM EST
    as an adult throws me. How many, aside from people in their late-teens suffering from some sort of identity crisis or troubled home life, do that?

    Give me the Krishnas, Ekankar or the Rosicrucians, anytime..:)

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    have a cousin (none / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 02:50:53 PM EST
    who did it to please his mormon wife.

    my aunt was pi$$$$$$$$$ed

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    I have a good friend who was raised (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:08:09 PM EST
    Catholic.  Converted to Mormonism as an adult.  I've never really figured out why but I know she likes the structure.  She is a super-volunteer.

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    whatever (none / 0) (#84)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:47:36 PM EST
    peals your banana I always say.

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    watch the language (none / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:34:17 PM EST
    a$$hole works

    point (none / 0) (#83)
    by me only on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:46:25 PM EST
    taken

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    No Signs: political (SOFW tax exempt) otherwise? (none / 0) (#80)
    by dead dancer on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 03:39:30 PM EST
    From the Restoring Honor FAQ:

    We request that you not bring the following:

    * Signs political or otherwise

    Wonder why!

    Because It is A Charity (none / 0) (#102)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:40:55 PM EST
    And they would lose their rating if they had a political event.

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    Creeps like Beck are why I'm still a Democrat (none / 0) (#114)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Aug 28, 2010 at 01:38:27 AM EST
    The right wing is overrun with repellent lying hypocrites like Beck.  That's about the only reason I've got left to defend Democratic ideals, because the Democrats, with rare exceptions like Russ Feingold, haven't defended anything.