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Lazio Out, Paladino to Face Cuomo

By Jeralyn, Section Elections
Posted on Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 11:30:53 PM EST
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New York is all but assured of having a Democratic Governor in November, thanks to Carl Paladino beating Rick Lazio in the primary. Cuomo is a lock. Keep going TeaPartiers, you're handing victory to the Dems. This is getting quite amusing.

Charlie Rangel also sailed to victory in the primary.

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    Lazio Out, Paladino to Face Cuomo | 34 comments (34 topical)

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    I would like (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 07:11:20 AM EST
    to propose a Coffee Party - or a Dry Martini Party - to challenge Blue Dog and other sad-sack-corporate-lackey-centrist Democrats.

    Instead of just ridiculing the tea-party folks, we should take a page from their book. They are actually doing something. Progressive democrats do practically nothing but sigh and malign republicans;

    You have a good point... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 08:23:06 AM EST
    where is our offshoot party on the left side?  The tea party, even if they don't win d*ck in Nov, pulls the Repubs rightward...we could use a dose of the same on the left side.

    We've long made fun of the "lockstep" mentality of Brand R...looks like Brand D are the ones in lockstep behind an out of touch party now.

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    Some of it is due to the fact (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 08:45:29 AM EST
    that the more leftward leaning elements contain a hard-hitting enough critique of the corporate sponsors that, on the whole, their message is a lot less 'media friendly' than the comparatively unfocused, generalized rage against "the government" that emanates from the Tea Party quarter..

    The Tea Party has had a carved out niche in the spotlight for years. Who are most of them really other than Repubs who are too embarrassed to admit that they voted for Bush and still pissed and disenfranchised over McCain getting the nomination?  

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    True... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:10 AM EST
    we'd never get the love from MSNBC that Fox News showers on the Tea Party, and I don't know if George Soros could bankroll the whole thing...but we could use one!

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    He hear that's (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:33:49 AM EST
    the theme of Nader's new book: a group of conscience-stricken, socially conscious multi-billionaires get together and social change, romance and comedy ensues. Or some such thing..

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    I'd (none / 0) (#18)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:40:55 AM EST
    read it.

    Have you seen this?

    Obama and McCain parrot each other

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    was the point of that (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:42:58 AM EST
    we should have voted for Nader and elected McCain?


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    The point... (none / 0) (#27)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 03:45:13 PM EST
    is that Obama was portrayed as significantly different from McCain.
    He isn't. And it is illuminating to hear him say so in his own words.

    My favorite quote from this link is this one from Obama:

    "The only bills that I voted for, for the most part, uh, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans or George Bush."

    And that is the Obama we are seeing in action.

    But I also think that the premise of your comment, that it would be wrong to vote for a candidate with integrity who represents your views out of fear of not electing the least-worst among the others is ultimately dangerous and disastrous.

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    Great Logic (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 03:50:04 PM EST
    And by the same logic you are no different from a tea partier.

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    probably wont surprise you (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 03:51:31 PM EST
    to know that I think a vote for a "Nader" is dangerous and disastrous.  a theory I hope to see illustrated this fall when the full mooners the GOP has nominated again and again this year prove to be to far out of the main stream to be elected.

    and Obama may not be FDR but he is also not McCain.  by a long shot.


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    From (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 04:11:39 PM EST
    what I have read, the tea-partiers were not afraid to vote for someone that represented how they felt. They didn't give in to the fear that voting for the candidate they believed in would result in having a democrat being elected.

    I would like a progressive alternative to the current crop of democrats. Voting for someone who represents your views feels good. Like you're participating in a democracy instead of a shell game.

    At the least, a progressive challenger unseating a blue dog or corporate lackey would have the result of moving the party to the progressive corner instead of having it continue to languish in the land of the anemic.

    I would like to see a vibrant tea party of the left.

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    I see The Tea Party (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 04:56:53 PM EST
    as primarily an illusory "alternative", which is, more than anything else, a new career opportunity to exploit on the part of members of the hard Right who've been part of the Rethug coalition for decades - and aren't pushing the party rightward any harder than they have been all along - but who were afraid to be a associated with a certain radioactive shrub with a 30% approval rating after 2008.

    The Tea Party alternative appeal is composed of smoke and mirrors, a catchy new brand name, a pr campaign targeting unfocused right wing anger and little else.

    If they represented any kind of actual alternative to the status quo, they wouldn't get half the attention and contributions they're getting now. They get most of that primarily because they're NOT an alternative.

     

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    Don't know.... (none / 0) (#32)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:22:28 PM EST
    Obama may not be FDR but he is also not McCain.

    Frankly, I don't know who the f he is.

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    If (none / 0) (#17)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:38:52 AM EST
    we had some leadership - even one outspoken person - who was able to begin mobilizing people - the media would follow.

    I just wonder whether the left is just too comatose to be mobilized by anything or anyone. The wars don't seem to move them into action. Civilian casualties, waste, unending funding... just too commonplace. The increasing disparity between rich and poor doesn't get anybody particularly excited either.

    So we just sit back and watch an occasional coffin returning and reach for the remote.

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    Somewhat in our defense... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    we are kinda busy just staying afloat and staying out of jail in a cut-throat police state...where do Tea Partiers find the time for all this rabble rousing?  

    Don't they work or have any other hobbies? :)

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    Paladino might be a stronger candidate (none / 0) (#1)
    by tigercourse on Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 11:40:53 PM EST
    then Lazio. But he doesn't have a chance against Cuomo.

    Yeah, at least he's (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:35:45 AM EST
    um, entertaining. Lazio is just microwaved warmed-over Wonder Bread toast.  Bleeeaccch.

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    Cuomo will have both... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 08:18:49 AM EST
    to kick around...Lazio has the Conservative Party line to run on, should he choose to stick around.

    If he does, him and Paladino should sink each other further...maybe even enough for my preferred candidate Kristin Davis to steal a second place finish on the Anti-Prohibition Party line...that would be cool.

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    Lazio... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:03:18 PM EST
    ... has now twice proven himself an incompetent candidate, and no one at all was excited about him as the nominee. Paladino at least has some passionate supporters. Cuomo should win pretty easily, but he would be well advised not to take it for granted the way Lazio did.

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    dead girl or a live boy (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:09:24 PM EST
    that is were the race is for Cuomo IMO

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    i wouldn't be quite so cocky (none / 0) (#3)
    by cpinva on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 03:04:55 AM EST
    if i were you jeralyn.:

    Keep going TeaPartiers, you're handing victory to the Dems.

    bear in mind, no one thought these people would win their primaries either. and yet, here they are.

    Subtle smear campaign against Rangel (none / 0) (#5)
    by vicndabx on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 07:32:06 AM EST
    didn't work.  I'm glad.  It was interesting to see so little coverage of his poll results yesterday evening.  It should've been clear pretty early he was going to win overwhelmingly.

    Another result (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 08:03:05 AM EST
    Eric Schneiderman will be the Dem AG nominee in NY. And half of his campaign was focused on how he was instrumental in repealing the Rockefeller drug laws.

    That was close... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 08:16:30 AM EST
    early numbers I saw had Kathleen Rice in the lead...I don't know much of anything about Schneiderman, but Rice has bad news written all over her.  I think we dodged a bullet.

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    As with the dems in 2006 these (none / 0) (#11)
    by Slado on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:18:46 AM EST
    Victories are just a sign of the overwhelming obstacle facing democrats.

    The idea that such candidates are even electable is a reflection not of republican weekness but democratic weekness.

    Dems are going to lose big in Nov.  Not a question of if but how much.

    As in 2006 the opposition party is getting a little carried away and is nominating some pretty unelectable candidates (think Liberman in Con. etc...) but on the whole this will only matter on the fringes.

    The country is tired of single party rule.  Even if the dems hold onto the house it will be by such a slim majority that big initiatives by this president will be mired in votes and arm twisting as to render them useless.

    Think if they tried to pass the stimulus or healthcare with a 5 vote majority in the house or a 2 vote majority in the Senate?  It wouldn't have happened.  Period.

    The spin mysters on the dem side can spin all they want.  Dems are going down in a big way come November and the fact that a few moderate Republican candidates won't be part of the victory lap is just a lack of icing on the cake.   The rest of the cake will still taste pretty good.

    Did it really taste good (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:28:11 AM EST
    from 2000 to 2008, Slado? Really?

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    In retrospect (none / 0) (#26)
    by Slado on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 02:53:18 PM EST
    It did for a while but it left a bitter taste in my mouth.

    That's why establishment republicans are getting hammered in the primaries.

    I seem to remember the 2000's being pretty good.

    Divided government works.

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    wow what an interesting (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:29:04 AM EST
    fall it is going to be in NY.  everywhere else as well I guess but in NYC you will get to hear about Carls email history and Christines campaign against masturbation.
    no link to Carl's email history? (none / 0) (#21)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 10:21:35 AM EST
    {pout}

    geeze, we're really hitting the bottom of the barrel with candidates out there . . .

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    here ya go (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 10:33:00 AM EST
    EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES IN THIS POST

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    Oy. He's running for Gov?! (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 10:44:40 AM EST
    {head desk} the barrel seems to be bottomless . . .

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    huzzah for (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:29:42 AM EST
    Charlie.  I knew he could do it.

    Lazio had no chance anyway (none / 0) (#33)
    by diogenes on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 07:40:18 PM EST
    So the Democrats were assured of winning from the day George Pataki left office.  

    Yes, the grapes (none / 0) (#34)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 07:51:56 PM EST
    were sour anyway.

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