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Pre-Thanksgiving Open Thread

Big Tent Democrat and I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving.

Don't forget to check in with your local radio station to find out what time they will play Alice's Restaurant. It was November 28, 1965 that Arlo was convicted of littering in Stockbridge, MA. You can read the backstory here.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, everyone. This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Thanksgiving to (5.00 / 9) (#1)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:12:17 PM EST
    Jeralyn and Armando, The Pirate Crewe, Jim and Dadler and the rest of the poker crew, and to everyone else.

    I'm glad we have this place to gather.

    Right back at ya, Jeff! (5.00 / 6) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 07:59:54 PM EST
    and to all the rest. I am totally thankful to have had one more year of playing poker and enjoying life with my loved ones and friends.

    May you all have the same!

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    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:20:19 PM EST
    Be well, have too much fun wherever you are and whoever you are with.

    Going to add some kimchi to table this year, some cucumber (that I've worked hard trying to perfect and my husband and daughter gobble up like hounds when it is good) and adding some turnip.

    Rutabagas: (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:25:06 PM EST
    Rutabagas sounds spiffier (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:55:54 PM EST
    Hate 'em. Turnips too. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:00:37 PM EST
    I'm with you, oculus (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:24:52 PM EST
    Don't like turnips, rutabagas, or parsnips, either, for that matter.  Except for potatoes, and to a certain extent, carrots, I'm not much for root vegetables.  Except for salsify (oyster plant)- it's pretty good.  Mild, tastes like oysters.   ;-)

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    My ex used to dig up the salisfy from his (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:28:44 PM EST
    mom's huge garden.  He hated it and I've never had it.  Am gradually eating more and different veggies.  My mom would be soooo proud.  

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    Good parsnips are OK (none / 0) (#64)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:59:49 PM EST
    They're sort of like damped-down carrots.  Why bother?  If I want carrots, I'll have the real thing!

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    At my husband's favorite Korean restaurant (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 08:29:42 AM EST
    they set out several kinds of kimchi, his fave is cucumber.  But he has two second faves, the turnip and the white radish.  So I'm working on my turnip first.  Cooking is not a natural state for me though, it is work for me :)  The woman who owned the restaurant has retired and sold it, so I might be his only kimchi source around here.  Bibimbap probably isn't happening in my lifetime.

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    Try some parsnips ... (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by cymro on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:04:19 PM EST
    ... they have a delicious flavor, IMO more interesting than turnips/rutabegas/swedes/yams. Prepare them just like carrots. link

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    To me, they just taste like (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 12:02:05 AM EST
    carrots with much less intense flavor.  Maybe it's one of those things where taste buds are wildly different and some of us can taste them and some of us can't?

    If carrots were suddenly discovered to be poisonous or the worldwide crop failed for some reason, I'd substitute parsnips and grumble about it.  But short of that, I'll take carrots!

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    Favs from that group (none / 0) (#92)
    by Amiss on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 04:05:36 PM EST
    are #1 Sweet Potatoes or yams (makes a killer souffle with a pecan brown sugar topping)

    #2 Turnips (my favorite of the "greens"

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    Here's my favorite piece of Thanksgiving lore: (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:23:27 PM EST
    That is a treasure! (none / 0) (#9)
    by sj on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:45:14 PM EST
    Thanks!

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    I note Art's reference to Native American (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:29:12 PM EST
    cannibalism in his piece, I find it very significant.

    ;-)

    Happy t-day!

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    I note Art's reference to Peaux-Rouges (none / 0) (#74)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 09:37:57 AM EST
    cannibalism in his piece.

    I note your attempt to use that to smear all "Native Americans".

    I find it very significant.

    Have a nice day. Don't trip over anything. You might land wrong. ;-)

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    For the record, you really missed the boat (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 02:55:46 PM EST
    on this one. Really.

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    Gawd, I hope so! (none / 0) (#97)
    by Edger on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 04:39:34 PM EST
    But I thought I'd try out the famous right wing pre-emptive style that keeps crashing and burning and see if it gets me jumped on. ;-)

    Convince me.

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    Oh. Well. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Edger on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 05:01:16 PM EST
    I'm not convinced. ;-)

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    Again, you're missing the snark (none / 0) (#76)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 09:51:56 AM EST
    so you must have missed jimwhatsit's rants yesterday.

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    No I didn't miss it (none / 0) (#77)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 09:55:29 AM EST
    I was the first to give him a one on his first comment yesterday

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    Sadly, the "cannibals" weren't Christian (none / 0) (#85)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 10:53:39 PM EST
    Or their occasional rituals would have been legitimized by Church law, as was the butchery and savagery of America's honored "discoverer," Christopher Columbus...

    ... whose real agenda, the pursuit of gold on islands without much gold or anything else, led him and his to commit systematic acts of savagery on the scale of Pol Pot, hundreds of thousands of natives butchered during his tenure and a legacy of millions more natives killed in the sixty years following his first landfall.


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    Art is sneaky (none / 0) (#75)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 09:41:24 AM EST
    He opens with his description if the rare newspaper clipping Mrs. Singer bought.

    It was valued at $80,000. It now hangs in Mrs. Singer's living room under glass.

    I can think of more than one politician worth more than $80,000.

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    Happy Thanksgiving to all! (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:29:56 PM EST
    I have a house-full of relatives, right now I'm making the pies for tomorrow (butternut squash pie, with squash from our garden, and chocolate pecan pie- truly decadent).  I have enough cooked squash left over that I'll probably make a squash soup for tonight.  Other than that, we're having the usual: turkey, mashed potatoes, gravy, candied sweet potatoes, two kinds of stuffing (Greek chestnut stuffing and oyster stuffing), Greek salad, roasted asparagus.  Have a great day, all!

    You must have a laptop on your kitchen (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:31:26 PM EST
    counter.  

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    The computer is on a desk (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:03:07 PM EST
    right around the corner from the kitchen.  I would never open a laptop in the kitchen- I'm far too messy a cook!  I'd be afraid of getting melted butter, or eggs, or something, on the laptop!  Have a great Thanksgiving!

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    Chocolate Pecan Pie sounds wow (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:08:40 PM EST
    As always what is going on your table sounds amazing

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    Her table always sounds amazing (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by sj on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:18:40 PM EST
    doesn't it?  I can however, get me some chocolate pecan pie at a restaurant in my 'hood.  The food there is good but the desserts... swoon.  The chocolate pecan is a favorite as well as the pistachio creme brulee.

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    Thank you, MT (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:33:09 PM EST
    To me cooking is in the blood- my parents and grand-parents were amazing cooks (especially my dad, who was a chef in restaurants for much of his life).  I don't know too many Greeks, male or female, who can't cook, actually.  It seems like many of the Greeks who came over to this country opened restaurants at some point.  Not just Greek restaurants, either.  I don't think I've ever been to a diner, for instance, that wasn't owned by Greeks- there must be some, I guess.  Plus, of course, Greek restaurants, and "fancy" restaurants, too.  

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    in the spring (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:35:42 PM EST
    a new Greek restaurant opened in my neighborhood & OMFG i am there at least twice a week

    fabulous food, great people, total comfort - i am so thrilled that they are successful & want to keep that going for them & for me

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    here is the menu (none / 0) (#30)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:40:41 PM EST
    Sounds good to me! (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:57:54 PM EST
    I wish them continuing success!

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    Thanks so much for the menu! (none / 0) (#40)
    by StephenAG on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 06:31:16 PM EST
    I've got to check them out the next time I 'm in the area. Looks good!

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    They are very good, (none / 0) (#93)
    by Amiss on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 04:19:26 PM EST
    but for some reason I prefer the  regular pecan pies. I dont know how many "Cracker Barrel Restaurants" are around, but the sell a good rendition of them both.

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    Happy T-Day all, see you next week! (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:33:44 PM EST


    Exporting Freedom & Democracy (tm) (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:51:33 PM EST
    Thanksgiving...

    An Egyptian activist says that the U.S. is still providing the teargas the Egyptian military has been using to crackdown on protesters this week.

    [snip]

    "In terms outside -- if you are talking about financial aid and things like that, all of that is going to the military," Abdalla explained. "The U.S. government, the British government -- of which, I am a citizen of Britain -- you know, European governments, all over the world Western governments are supporting this military."

    "The teargas, which is clinging to my lungs, which was bombed in the square last night, is from stocks which have been replenished over the last nine months. Every canister says it's come from the U.S. And that's something that causes me great sadness."

    The Guardian confirmed Monday that Combined Systems Inc (CSI) of Jamestown, Pennsylvania was providing some of the teargas to the Egyptian military.



    But that's Free Enterprise. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by observed on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:51:29 PM EST
    Freedom, US style, vs. freedom.

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    This morning, someone on NPR ... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by cymro on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:13:51 PM EST
    ... remarked that "eventually the Egyptian army must run out of tear gas."

    I conclude that this statement was -- at least partly -- intended as a metaphor, since it probably is not literally true, any more than the notion that the Egyptian army will run out of bullets.

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    What is not known is when (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:52:44 PM EST
    the tear gas was supplied.

    The teargas used by interior ministry troops in Cairo's Tahrir Square is supplied by a US company. Demonstrators say cartridges retrieved from the scene are branded with the name and address of Combined Systems Inc (CSI)
    .

    But even if delivered last week no law was broken and I fail to see why we shouldn't honor contracts with what is, supposedly, a friendly regime.

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    Do you mean friendly (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 01:40:45 PM EST
    the way Germany was "friendly" to ITT, Ford, and Coca Cola in the thirties? or friendly as in, decent, democratic, and non-repressive of it's own people?

    These antiquated, Cold War, realpolitik, definitions of "friendly" have led to more brutality, political repression, and blow-back  in the last fifty years than if we'd been getting our foreign policy ideas from the writings on cave walls.

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    why not sell (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 02:06:18 PM EST
    surveillance equipment to the Chinese, tear gas and bullets to the Egyptians etc?

    Remember: even if their shirts are brown, their money's still green.

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    Why not try dealing in facts?? (none / 0) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 09:23:28 PM EST
    Oh. I know. That doesn't work.

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    don't get into a personal spat (none / 0) (#89)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 01:24:54 AM EST
    here please. Both of you stop  the insults.

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    why is flogging lurid (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 12:11:37 PM EST
    stereotypes about Native American history allowed here?

    If I may be so bold as to inquire..

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    point out the non-fact (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 12:17:57 PM EST
    I proffered, if you can.

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    Can't resist. Not Thanksgiving yet--but still. (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:03:29 PM EST
    Josh says its cute (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:10:16 PM EST
    Let me know if Josh figures out how (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:15:18 PM EST
    they did this.  

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    It is! (none / 0) (#94)
    by Amiss on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 04:30:43 PM EST
    Josh knows what cute is!

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    It's interesting reading people's (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CST on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:14:02 PM EST
    "regular" thanksgiving tables, because i think they are very all different.

    For example, every year we do roasted chestnuts, which I always assumed was a normal thing, but I'm starting to realize maybe not.

    What are some of other people's staples?

    Candied sweet potatoes sounds awesome btw, never had it.

    I think (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:33:04 PM EST
    it's largely regional. Chestnuts seem to to be a New England thing though I have found them at the grocery store here one time and did roast them. Wow, after that I finally realized why their legend lives on.

    Candied sweet potatoes can be good. They're big here in the south but I make a sweet potato casserole with a crunchy pecan topping.

    We have turkey, dressing (because it's cooked outside of the turkey) sweet potatoes, green beans, corn pudding, gravy and rolls. One time I made a mashed potato gratin and that was a huge hit. We do oyster dressing but I don't know if that's really southern. I have a friend coming over who is bringing the deserts so I don't know what we're having there.


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    Oyster dressing (none / 0) (#95)
    by Amiss on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 04:35:09 PM EST
    is quite common in the South along the coast. We, too have our sweet potatoes in a souffle with a pecan topping. My Mother also always had a "relish" try with home made pickles and pickled peaches, tec.

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    We do (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:01:43 PM EST
    a Greek-style rice stuffing with roasted chestnuts.  And raisins.  And ground meat.  And some onion, garlic, a tiny bit of cinnamon and cloves.  I don't even know if chestnut trees grow in Greece, but my family (and other Greeks that I know) make this.

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    No Greeks in my family, but (none / 0) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 12:08:03 AM EST
    my mother always made a knockout stuffing/dressing with good pork sausage and chestnuts.  I burned my poor fingers every Thanksgiving for many years during childhood fixing them.  Now you can get them in jars, thank God, or frozen roasted chestnuts at Trader Joe.  I still love the combination.

    My mother grew up in Ohio and Pennsylvania, so I'm not sure where the combination came from.  I always thought it was just the way everybody made stuffing, and was shocked to discover nobody else I knew (or have ever met since) has done it that way.

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    this Thanksgiving (5.00 / 6) (#21)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:24:43 PM EST
    we are awaiting the birth of our grand-nephew, due any minute

    the mother-to-be is quite . . . uncomfortable, to say the least

    the rest of us are putting $10 each into a betting pool & guessing the baby's birth date, birth time, weight & length - all proceeds go to the baby

    there are several losers already - my guess: Friday, November 25, 2:12 pm, 7 pounds 4 ounces, 16.75 inches

    congrats! (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by CST on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:34:49 PM EST
    I'm awaiting the birth of my nephew, also due any minute, although it could be another week or so.

    Due December 3rd, but this little guy has been a rather large baby so far, and we are way past any danger zone.

    I think the mommy-to-be would be more than happy if he decides to sneak out early.

    My other sister already lost her bet which was that he would be born this past monday since that was her bday.  She wanted a buddy.  My guess was Christmas day since that's my preggo sister's birthday.  But I think she'll be really p*ssed if he takes that long :)

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    congrats back at ya (none / 0) (#29)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:38:04 PM EST
    though of course you & i had nothing to do with it!

    btw i have been reading & appreciating your Massachusetts-level comments & analysis regarding the Mittster

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    thanks! (none / 0) (#31)
    by CST on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:43:30 PM EST
    Haha no we didn't, but I imagine I will have a lot to do with it soon!

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    Must tear self away from laptop to get (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:30:13 PM EST
    expert input re non-e-mail-sending droid.  How hard could it be?  

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone ! (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by samsguy18 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:45:23 PM EST
    Just finished making my dressing and pies. Tomorrow will be an early day...I will get dinner ready before I go into do rounds.Our children will be with us this year.I treasure these times!I hope tomorrow is a wonderful day for all of you.

    Happy Thanksgiving TLefties! (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 05:15:39 PM EST
    Spending it with friends here in Orlando, so I am thankful not to be traveling. Though of course I always miss my own family and the fun Thanksgiving eves we used to have tearing up bread for stuffing and making pies.

    I am making a yummy sweet potato casserole my dad's wife taught me. You boil the potatoes, slice them and lay flat in a baking dish, and top them with a sauce made from orange juice, shredded orange peel, brown sugar,  cinnamon, raisins, dried apricot pieces, and pecans. Then bake for 45 minutes. Delish!

    My own mom was not a fancy cook at all - we just boiled the potatoes and put butter on them, which I love just as much. But it is nice to have some fallback family recipes.

    All of your meals sound wonderful too - someday we will all descend upon Zorba!

    eat, drink and be merry!

    Happy Thanksgiving to All (5.00 / 8) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 06:41:21 PM EST
    May you all be surrounded by people you cherish and who cherish you. Eat hearty and have a great time.

     

    Are we allowed to laugh at the pepper spray cop (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 06:56:09 PM EST
    Photoshopped pictures?    I hate to overthink it. (oh, who am I kidding, I love to over think it) but I really like the Seurat.

    Not only are we allowed to laugh (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 07:22:21 PM EST
    at the pepper spray cop pictures, we should encourage it.  If we don't laugh at some of the horrible stuff  we will not survive it.

    I, too, like the Seurat, also the one of the founders getting pepper sprayed at Constitution Hall.

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    I thought the perfect fit was (none / 0) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 07:26:59 PM EST
    Edvard Munch. How did Munch know over 100 years ago to save a spot in The Scream for Pike.

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    The Munch with Pike was a little too (none / 0) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 07:38:59 PM EST
    real for me. I shudder to think what Munch's dreams were like. Perhaps his work is a foretelling of our times.

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    A listener contacted "All Things (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 09:28:17 PM EST
    Considered" the day after they described the photoshopping.  He thought it sounded like they were smiling and he didn't like it one bit.  

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    Occupy support from DC Presbyterian Church (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 07:57:33 PM EST
    The two Occupy groups in Washington DC - Occupy DC in McPherson Square and Occupy Washington DC (originally October2011.org) in Freedom Plaza - both received some I'm sure welcome support from the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church today.

    The church, working with the group Occupy Faith DC...

    ...threw open its basement and laid out a spread of turkey, mashed potatoes, corn and pumpkin pie, plus kosher and vegan options, for the afternoon, with enough on hand to feed 500.

    Organizing the feast was Occupy Faith DC, an inter-faith coalition set up a month ago to give food, equipment and spiritual support to Occupy DC in McPherson Square and Occupy Washington DC in Freedom Plaza.

    "We understand and we are in total solidarity with you," James Lee of Occupy Faith DC and the Network of Spiritual Progressives, a faith-based social justice movement, told the diners.

    "There's a lot of love for the Occupy movement," he added. "There are millions of people who want you to succeed, so don't stop... The goal is to have hundreds of thousands in the streets by springtime."

    "Unlike counterparts in New York and elsewhere, the two Washington occupations -- located in public spaces belonging to the National Park Service -- has so far been tolerated by local authorities, with few serious incidents", notes AFP via RawStory.

    No meals were offered to 1%'ers by the church, as far as I know. They'll have to make do with whatever they can scrounge up, I suppose. It must be rough having no friends.

    Occupy makes friends the old-fashioned way (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 08:04:56 PM EST
    They earn them.

    Wall Street might want to think about hiring them for public relations.

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    Happy Thanksgiving everybody... (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 10:03:54 PM EST
    Enjoy your friends and family.

    T-shirt weather this afternoon. (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by observed on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 05:47:06 AM EST
    I was waiting for the bus a couple of hours ago, and it seemed almost warm enough to take my coat off. Definitely too warm for gloves and hood.
    The actual temperature? 12 F.
    Must be my family roots from Northern Europe coming out.
    On the other hand, the colder the weather outside, the hotter my apartment. Right now it's 86 in my apt---and that's without me turning on any heat. By the time it's -40 outside, I'm afraid it will be 100 inside.


    Turkey Holocaust Day 2011, by Will Durst (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 10:42:26 AM EST
    Among other things, giving thanks for...

    Barack Obama. Because no matter what you think of his policies, you got to admire his ability not to get involved in them.

    [snip]

    The entire Democratic Party, for failing to realize they're in the middle of a war. Republicans attack them with torches and pitchforks and the Democratic response is to introduce legislation to reform pitchfork safety standards.

    You can't make stuff up like this. See, I'm telling you. Life is good. Thankfully yours.



    Another good one from your link (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 11:07:21 AM EST
    The entire GOP, which is waging an internal war for it's very soul. The GOP Soul. Short book. Put it on the shelf right next to Great Democratic Leadership Battles.


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    Yup (none / 0) (#80)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 11:10:48 AM EST
    One of the best in there. ;-)

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    Happy Thanksgiving (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by chrisvee on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 06:50:09 PM EST
    to all!

    Thanksgiving Quote from Will Rogers! (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 08:00:13 PM EST
    I bet you when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock and they had the whole of the American continent for themselves, and all they had to do to get an extra hundred and sixty acres was shoot another Indian... Well, I bet you anything they kicked on the price of ammunition. I bet they said, "What's this country coming to!" You know, what I mean... like we're doing now. "What's this country coming to! We have to spend a nickel for powder."

    Of course, they got the lead back after they dissected the Indian, but...

    Gotta love Will Rogers!

    I would be extremely grateful if BTD (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:33:24 PM EST
    would write about "Citizens United."  Think "Kelo."  Such a conversation starter.  

    For those of you in the Bay Area (none / 0) (#56)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 09:00:52 PM EST
    You can catch Alice's Restaurant twice Thursday at Noon and 6pm PT on 104.5 in San Francisco or 97.7 in San Jose on KFOG . (it's always better than youtube)

    For those of us nowhere near the Bay Area you should be able to catch it HERE

    So, did you actually read the bio of (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 09:23:53 PM EST
    Mark Twain (Berkeley 2010)?

    I tried to read Vol. I, but way too heavy (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 05:41:41 PM EST
    to read in bed.  So I got the CDs from the library--30 as I recall.  But, I wanted to start after the lengthy intro and notes but couldn't locate the correct band.  So I gave up.  

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    Anybody else watching South of Border (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 07:57:43 AM EST
    by Oliver Stone on Showtime while they cook?  It's very interesting (sort of an understatement).

    Argentine President Kirchner (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 08:18:24 AM EST
    claims that when he met with George Bush and they discussed the horrible economic situation that Argentina was in, that Kirchner told him that what Argentina needed was a Marshall plan.  He says that Bush got angry and told him that the Marshall plan was a crazy Democrat idea and that war is what stimulates an economy.  He also claimed that all the major economic expansion the U.S. ever experienced was due to war.

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