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Saturday Night Open Thread: Grammy Preview

Mick Jagger will perform at the Grammy's tomorrow night for the first time. He and Raphael Saadiq will do a tribute to Solomon Burke, who died in October, 2010 at age 70.

The clip above has Burke and the Stones performing together, and also has their comments about him. Here's the Stones performing the same song in 1965.

Also performing tomorrow night: Bob Dylan and Barbara Streisand (not together.)

And of course, there will be Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Katie Perry, Eminem, Jay Z and many more.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    NYT Columnists (Sunday, Feb13): (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 03:28:40 PM EST
    Tom Friedman: "In the end, President Obama made a hugely important but unintended contribution to the democracy revolution in Egypt.  Because the Obama team never found the voice to fully endorse the Tahrir Square revolution until it was over, the people in that square now know one very powerful thing: They did this all by themselves...."

    Nick Kristof: "After a wishy-washy stage, President Obama got it pitch-perfect on Friday when he spoke after the fall of Mr. Mubarak.  He forthrightly backed people power, while making clear that the future is for Egyptians to decide. Let's hope that reflects a new start not only for Egypt but also for American policy toward the Arab world."

    Perhaps a little harsh given the complexities involved and that the behind the scenes efforts are still behind the scene.  However,  it may hoped that the value of splitting the difference or sitting on the fence in an effort to please all with be a policy to be questioned by the administration.  

    Ramona Ripston, head of S. CA ACLU (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 12, 2011 at 11:38:46 PM EST
    is retiring,  
    LAT

    SNL (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 12:09:36 AM EST
    Is anyone watching? Russell Brand's monologue on how his marriage is the same as everyone else's was not bad, but he's so odd. And physically unappealing. What exactly is his talent besides shouting?

    The monologue of O'Reilly and Obama was the flattest and most boring in recent memory.

    On the other hand, the skit on British crime movies and how you can't understand a word they are saying was very funny. I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks movies like Sexy Beast seem to be in a foreign language. They really do need subtitles for them.

    Fortunately, there are enough good... (none / 0) (#8)
    by EL seattle on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 11:40:32 AM EST
    ...British crime movies out there that the UK and underworld patter and slang gets easier to follow after you've watched a few of them.  I remember when The Long Good Friday came out, they tagged a short intoduction title to the movie to provide some definitions for phrases that US viewers would likely be baffled by.

    What seemed striking to me about the SNL O'Reilly/Obama opening skit was how ancient it seemed.  The superbowl was just last Sunday, but with all of the real breaking news and excitement of the past few days, last Sunday seems like a distant, distant memory.  It's hard to get laughs from a topic that doesn't seem to be even remotely fresh. (Although that's never stopped SNL from trying.)

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    Dylan/Streisand duet (none / 0) (#3)
    by Linkmeister on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 12:21:46 AM EST
    I had the same thought. If I were in better economic straits I'd pay good money to hear those two sing a song together.

    Looooove....soft as an EASY chair (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:44:12 AM EST
    Isn't that "down in the easy chair"? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 02:20:15 PM EST
    I love how on "Greatest Hits Volume 2" Dylan includes not the original of "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere," but rather his own parody of the song.

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    LOL. Well when he sings with Babs they (none / 0) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:12:08 PM EST
    have to do HER easy chair song.

    I love them both so much - how is that possible?

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    How about a medley? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 08:48:01 PM EST
    you decide ...
    Can you blend Evergreen with this (the Byrds performing Dylan's "easy chair" song in an informal session with Earl Scruggs(!)- begins at 2:08 of the clip)?


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    Watched The Secret Lives of Pippa Lee (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:26:55 AM EST
    last night, loved it.

    Oops sorry The Private Lives of Pippa Lee (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 10:28:21 AM EST
    still loved it

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    strange days (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 11:17:38 AM EST
    the follow up reporting on the democracy demonstrations in egypt has led me to a rather surprising place.  for the first time since november of 08 I am glad Hillary Clinton is not president.

    According to experts who have interacted with the White House, the tactic is favored by a group of foreign policy advisors including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, national security advisor Thomas Donilon and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who worry about regional stability and want to reassure other Middle East governments that the U.S. will not abandon an important and longtime ally.

    But that position has been harder to defend as Suleiman and other Mubarak allies appeared to dig in, refusing the administration's entreaties to undertake swift reforms such as scrapping the country's longstanding state of emergency. On Wednesday, Suleiman warned ominously of a coup unless the unrest ended. That prompted White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs to fire back that the Egyptians should "expand the size and scope of the discussions and the negotiations and to take many of the steps that we outlined yesterday -- one of which is lifting the emergency law."

    Suleiman's behavior reinforced the arguments of another camp inside the Obama administration, including National Security Council members Ben Rhodes and Samantha Power, which contends that if President Obama appears to side with the remnants of Mubarak's discredited regime, he risks being seen as complicit in stifling a pro-democracy movement.

    more than once we saw Hillary in front of the cameras essentially parroting Suleimans dissembling and veiled threats.  by listening to other voices Obama has shown himself, at least in this case, far more the person called for at this particular point in history to be the leader of the free world.  someone who does not have a life long history of working within the system that created men like Mubarak.  it has shown me that the things people were saying about Hillary during the primaries about her foreign policy leanings were a lot more accurate than I was prepared to see or accept.


    Yes (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by sj on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 03:36:33 PM EST
    It's what I've said before.  No one represents me and my viewpoint 100%.  Can't happen, and I expect to be disappointed sometimes.  But the more my issues are represented (in actions, not just white papers) the happier I am.

    In this case, I am not represented at all, and that is disappointing.  Not that it would have mattered in the end.  That was the same position O took, and the Egyptian people disagreed with him.  So yay, Egypt.

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    This is actually (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:12:54 PM EST
    a case of where Obama's waffling and indecision and his inability to make a decision actually worked in his favor. It might be the only time it ever works but it did this time.

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    I also welcome a fresh approach (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:26:57 PM EST
    but wonder where it was before a million people in the streets started calling for it. There is no indication that Obama would have pushed Mubarak to retire early without them.

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    the truth is no one in the west expected this (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 08:29:56 AM EST
    Obama only knows what the CIA tells him and they were clearly clueless.  what it came down to was how to react to it.  reaction never being the best foreign policy.

    but at least he didnt climb on the lets support the strong man and take the safe approach which Hillary would clearly have done.

    and the stuff above about Obama being indecisive is laughable.  it was a mind bogglingly complex situation.  no one but George Bush would have been "decisive".
    the furious behind the scenes stuff is only now being talked about and we probably wont know what really went of years.

     

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    I think Obama is clueless (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:35:38 AM EST
    I don't think he wants to know about everything or be responsible for everything.  I'm honestly beginning to think the guy is overwhelmed by Presidential responsibilities.  This is the second very complex situation that has devolved into internal senior leadership fighting and struggle with him just mostly standing there.  He seems to be always able to make a good a speech though. I know about some of that more personally that was going on about Afghanistan before Petraeus took over, but this looks like the same damned thing just about.  It seems to me that when serious chips are down the guy just freezes like a deer in the headlights and prays for someone to write a good speech.

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    so (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:38:50 AM EST
    what do you think he should have done?

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    and how would you know (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:40:16 AM EST
    what he actually did?

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    Not saying the best outcome (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:46:38 AM EST
    did not take place.  But why is this White House so in dark as to why what is happening in the Middle East is happening as well Captain?  What is setting all this off is that people can't afford to live anymore even the most basic of existences there. Why is that and why is this President clueless about that?

    All I'm saying is that if anyone is a hero in all of this it is Powers and friends.  This President is clueless and the oligarchy was about to extend "its invisible hand" and try to screw the people some more.  Powers is the hero....Obama made a speech.  I used to think that this was Obama's leadership style and there was a method to his madness, but anymore I'm starting to think he just isn't home.

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    the white house is in the dark (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:54:48 AM EST
    because the US government long ago gave up on using old style on the ground intelligence.  that is not Obamas fault it has been happening for a long time.  and in fact he is supposed to be changing that at least to a greater extent than has been true for decades.

    it seems a stretch to blame him for such a blatantly obvious failure of the intelligence community.  he is not Carnac.  but whatever.

    Powers is a hero.  I salute her.
    he made the decisions.

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    I think his decision was no decision (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:58:05 AM EST
    IMO without Powers he would have just let Clinton and Gates continue on their journey.

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    and how exactly (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:01:38 AM EST
    is that different than what any other president would have done?

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    Well Bush was mentally and physically present :) (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:20:37 AM EST
    His muddy fingerprints were on everything he did :)  The outcome wasn't so great.  But what this President had going on in Afghanistan before Petraeus took over should never ever happen to any military in such circumstances.  We had forces pushing and pulling all over the place, and that infighting did what it always does.  Alliances formed that allowed accountability to be buried when you had the right friends.  Soldiers were running around there with such severe brain injury and on so much medication that they had fingers in their pockets.  Remember that?  You know how that happened?  Their commander was crazy but he was friends with and played on the Holbrooke/Eikenberry team.  Everything became about protecting those who fought on your side and then suddenly there was no personal accountability. And leaders didn't have to worry about it because those fighting on their "team" would have their back not because of what they were doing...but only because of what side they fought on.

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    not going to get into a discussion (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:28:04 AM EST
    about the arcane nuances of decision making in Afghanistan other than to say I am so damn glad I am not making the decisions.  but to tell the truth it seems a bit simplistic to think that a president with no foreign policy experience would walk in the door and turn the military industrial complex on its head.  because he want to.

    and I assume the Bush reference was a joke.  as a matter of fact I dont think he did.  it was Cheney who drove that not W.  IMO.  
    I do not want Obama to take the  "decisive" Bush approach.  which translates a not having a clue but acting like you do.
     

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    I think Cheney drove a lot (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:41:35 AM EST
    But Bush was very angry with him toward the end of his Presidency because of that.  And I wish that I was joking about President Bush being more present than President Obama on military decisions but I'm not :)  I suppose I would rather have good advisors at least in on military decisions than a stupid President and his stupid advisors.  But I think it is dangerous having an absent President who wants his advisors to fight it out so he doesn't have to or because he internally can't do it, or whatever it is that goes on with Obama.  It is important to be well advised in his position, but being well advised does not excuse one from their job of being the leader...making the decisions...making sure they are followed through...owning the outcomes.  And I think there is as much secrecy surrounding this White House as there was surrounding the Bush White House these days.

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    And I don't think you know very (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:59:19 AM EST
    much about our intelligence capabilities :)

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    only what I read (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:00:37 AM EST
    you read something else?  love a link.

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    Captain (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:10:19 AM EST
    Why does our press and our government keep steering away from what is really causing the current instability in the Middle East?

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    because we caused it (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:13:20 AM EST
    for the most part?

    do I get a gold star?

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    Do you want a Gold Star? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:24:53 AM EST
    And is it about "causing it"?  Or is it about being complicity and refusing to bring that up, not wanting people to understand our role and all that entails?  People could get upset

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    and you are (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:28:46 AM EST
    surprised by this?

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    I demand better :) (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:34:38 AM EST
    I will die being a pain in authority's ass.  I'm certain of it :)

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    I am with you (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:40:25 AM EST
    but to think he can change 200 years of history in two years is expecting a lot.

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    Gotta give it my best shot (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:43:22 AM EST
    If I throw my whole self bodily at it, in the end maybe I can move it an inch before someone else has to take over.

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    You know on that test (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:44:23 AM EST
    of whether you are an evolutionary thinker or a revolutionary thinker where I come in at :)

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    I will say this however (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:46:18 AM EST
    that regardless of if they want it known or not the demonstrations in egypt and the ones to come elsewhere are going to let the cat out of the bag in a big way.
    which is why I think Obamas speech in Cairo was a big deal.  its like that episode of star trek when they discover a way to destroy the borg but hesitate at the last minute when they realize that the seed of individualism and freedom of thought planted in that one borg was a thousand times more dangerous to the collective.

    dont misunderstand.  I am not diminishing the situation by that silly comparison. but I do think it is rather similar to standing in front of those egyptian students and waxing rhapsodic about democracy.
     

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    I'm with you (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:53:30 AM EST
    And like Rahm I don't wish for any crisis to be wasted.  Part of getting to a more peaceful world  is getting to a more self actualized Middle East.  It is really hard to care about terrorists in your midst or death and destruction done in your name if you struggle every day simply to exist.  How can people long to protect and nurture their society when their social structures are literally trying to kill them?  How can people not wake up one morning and decide that maybe the terrorist aren't so bad after all?

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    honestly (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:57:33 AM EST
    I have no idea if Obama saw this coming of if he is just the luckiest f*ck on earth.  I often lean to the latter (see financial crisis 08).  but the fact that he did that could turn out to be pivotal in ways we cant even imagine now.

    what a crazy idea.  fighting terrorism NOT by killing more of them than they do of us but by addressing the root cause.  the dictatorships these people live in.  paid for mostly by us.

    and on that positive note I now I actually to work for my money.

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    I'm always prepared for our leaders (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:31:41 PM EST
    to demonstrate that they serve their own self interests first. I'm then happy to give them hell.  Everyone is worthy too when they cross the line.  I'm very glad that Hillary was not our President when Egypt was struggling to free herself, and shame on Hillary.  As for Gates, well I expected as much :)

    I don't see Obama as an enormous hero though, just hadn't decided what he was going to do about the situation and then Egypt decided what was always hers to decide.

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    I dont think so (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 08:31:38 AM EST
    I would bet that without the behind the scenes pushing by the west things could have come down in a very different way.

    no one watching that could deny it was close.  very close to disaster.

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    I suspected that the military was pushing (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:13:39 AM EST
    And then later it was confirmed that they were.  How can I say this though Captain without offending you?  I don't want to do that and I know you think some of us are Obama haters :)  I'm no hater, I'm a realist.  And the reality of how much time Obama spends with military leaders is practically nonexistent.  He expects it to run on autopilot and it does fairly well right now.

    The military and the State Department have had to learn to work together extremely well too in our current circumstances, and they were.  Considering how little Obama actually inputs into our military reality though, if it wasn't for Powers and company snapping to attention and creating an internal struggle and fight....I think the man would have slept through the whole thing only to discover that Hillary and Gates had bought him and brought him a world of heartache and woe.

    I didn't think we would have condoned the military attacking the people and we did have pull to prevent that.  Gates and Clinton would have been insane not to do that though because when those bullets start flying....those bullets are made in America and the people killing citizens in the streets were trained by America.  That debate would have taken place and there would have been blood on our hands.

    Other than preventing that though, the next thing they were hell bent to do was preserve the status quo with as few of their fingerprints on there as possible.  It is what works best for them.  That is why they sent that snake in a weasel suit Wisner into it too.

    President Obama is so personally absent though when it comes to our existing military policy, and he was so lacking in knowledge and responsibility about sending Wisner, I feel almost certain he was just as out to lunch on Egypt as he seems to be about so much else in my life.  If the history of what happened is ever factually written, I predict that we will find out that Powers and Friends ended up throwing a giant $hit fit that couldn't be ignored and prevented people in power from feeling safe enough to pull more strings trying to keep Mubarak and Suleiman in place.

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    I dont think you are a hater (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:23:21 AM EST
    the haters here are pretty well known to everyone at this point.  I would not disagree that Obama is not as engaged with the military as he might be or as other presidents have been.  that has been pretty widely reported.
    I really dont have enough knowledge about that to have an opinion other than the laymans opinion that its ok with me if his focus is a bit more domestic than his predecessor.

    afaic the real point, as I said, was how he reacted.
    he did the right thing. that was the point of the original comment.  he did the right thing however late to the game he was.  and clearly Hillary would have been just as late to the game and would have made all the wrong decisions.


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    I would add (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:25:58 AM EST
    what may end up being even more interesting is how he reacts to Iran, for which I posted a live blog to ongoing protests in the open.  or Algeria which many think might be next.

    its what happens NOW that is going to be interesting.  egypt was not the end.  it was the beginning.


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    He is in two war zones (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:39:20 AM EST
    in a huge way and he is an absent President.  We have enormous treasure and lives on the line all day every day.  Sorry, but that is close to a certain type of Presidential insanity IMO.

    And if in your opinion I'm a hater, well then...in your opinion I'm a hater :)

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    you seem to have (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:41:36 AM EST
    a great deal of behind the scenes knowledge

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    I know that our President basically (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 09:48:32 AM EST
    blows military leadership off, doesn't want to hear details.  How can that seriously be?  I do know some things, secondhand...but you hear so much secondhand and eventually you understand there is smoke.

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    I agree for the most part (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:22:01 PM EST
    The only part I'd quibble with, and which honestly you don't really imply, is that, if we're honest, it seems a very long shot, a tad pie in the sky in light of our history, that we're at all interested in REALLY letting the Egyptian people independently forge their own future.  As we've seen time and time again, if you make the wrong electoral choice, suddenly America isn't so fond of giving you any choices at all.

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    I actually had the sense that, for the (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 02:30:32 PM EST
    most part, Obama was irrelevant, in the end, to what took place in Egypt, but keep in mind that when it all started, (1) the WH had no clue it was imminent, (2) the initial message from the WH and representatives of it was that Mubarak needed to stay in the interest of stability, and (3) their choice to replace Mubarak was Suleiman, a great friend to the US, helpful to rendition and fond of hands-on torture.

    In the end, it seems like events, led by the people of Egypt and assisted by the passive response of the army, took over, and ended well - and were not the result of the deft and nuanced diplomacy some people want to credit Obama with for no reason other than that it all ended well.

    Would he be getting the blame if it hadn't?  Or would these same people be quick to tell us that Obama didn't really have any control over the events, and what happened was the sole responsibility of the Egyptian people and government?

    It isn't just how Obama has handled the Wall Street Boyz, or how he's handled the insurance industry, or continued to defend one of the worst and most damaging programs of all - HAMP - it's how he has made deliberate choices that have undermined our democracy, have eroded our rights, decreased the transparency we so badly need, have strengthened the power of the oligarchy, and - in my opinion - this gives Obama absolutely no crediblity to lecture any nation or any people on achieving, preserving and protecting democracy.

    When Obama starts walking the walk he lectures others about, I will be happy to accord him the credit he deserves, but I haven't seen any real signs of that.

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    A long road ahead before (none / 0) (#19)
    by Towanda on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 03:52:31 PM EST
    all ends well in Egypt.  The Guardian is reporting today that the military is not pleased that the protesters are not yet leaving the square, that the protesters are not leaving because the military now refuses to share leadership with even a few civilians, etc.  The world cannot yet cast its eyes away from Tahrir Square -- but, sadly, it will.

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    For sure the road will be long, but (none / 0) (#27)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 08:12:48 PM EST
    the resignation of Mubarak was the best possible ending to the 18 days of protest; only time will tell about where it all goes from here.

    Clearly, these are people who, having found their voices, and been rewarded for being vocal, are not planning to be quiet anymore; I saw news reports that people are protesting against pretty much everyone who has treated them badly - they've seen the value of speaking up, and they're doing just that.

    Makes me think we should all be standing on the street corners making ourselves heard.

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    And I cannot fathom how Obama... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:26:09 PM EST
    ...could watch these developments and not be ashamed of his own performance domestically in dealing with the tyranny of Wall Street and its rampant criminality -- and the black hole it has revealed our economy to ultimately be.  Unless, of course, he really is that conservative economically.  Which, I have to say, seems a pretty defensible position to take at this point, based on his record.

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    More simply, to repeat myself from another thread (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:28:07 PM EST
    If the Egyptian people could pull this much off, then the American people certainly could've survived toppling the Wall Street dictatorship.

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    Obama simply (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:11:27 PM EST
    does not care about the working class in this country and will never do anything for them. He dislikes the poor even more. It's just who he is. He desperately wants to be liked by conservatives and will beg and scrape for their approval.

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    I think he can very easily (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 06:20:43 PM EST
    not link the two at all. Where are the American people crying out against the tyranny and criminality of Wall Street?  He's probably sitting back thinking he's doing just fine with the economy because no one is rioting in Lafayette Park.

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    Dude... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 07:31:42 PM EST
    I can't fathom any non-grifting American could watch these developments and not be totally ashamed of their performance.  Lord knows I'm ashamed.  

    We shoulda been 1 million deep in lower Manhattan and DC...we were worried about our jobs and 401ks and home values...afraid.  Embarassing really.

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    A Feb. '09 op ed written by (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:17:52 PM EST
    the author of "The Yacoubian Building."  Author is writing a book on recent events in Egypt. This op ed is on Obama/Gaza/views from ME.  

    ALAA AL ASWANY

    Here is an earlier NYT interview with (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:43:27 PM EST
    al Aswany:  NYT

    He certainly has U.S. attitude toward Egypt pegged.

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    And later "corrections": (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 13, 2011 at 01:58:31 PM EST
    I saw this (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 08:32:39 AM EST
    he does.  but how hard is that

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