home

Obama Announcement: Osama Bin Laden Dead, U.S. Has His Body

The White House just announced President Obama will make a live statement tonight around 8:30 pm MT (about 3 minutes from now) on an undisclosed topic.

You can watch live here. The New York Times and CNN report Obama will announce Osama bin Laden has been killed and the U.S. has his body. McClatchy says the body was found in Pakistan. The Guardian:

Osama's body is in possession of the US, having been killed in Pakistan as the result of a US special forces and CIA operation, according to the first leaks of reporting from the US television networks.

< Trump On Racism Charges: "I Have Many, Many Black Friends . .. " | Obama's Speech on Killing Osama Bin Laden >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    The time keeps slipping (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:42:37 PM EST
    I think the WH is just trying to tank Trump's ratings even further. ;-)

    It must be something like that (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:44:18 PM EST
    because he's 15 minutes late. It must be big enough no one will mind waiting. But he is taking viewers from Celebrity Apprentice, which is on right now.

    Parent
    I've got Iron Chef recording (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:45:24 PM EST
    Noticed Trump in the program grid.

    Parent
    Ha! (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:43:44 PM EST
    Could be the Mets @ Phillies game. (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:44:58 PM EST
    Does this mean the wars are over? (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by katiebird on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:48:00 PM EST
    n.t.

    Unless the admins. foolishly (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:49:45 PM EST
    displays the corpse.  In which case--see Greenwald.

    Parent
    or the original, long form (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:52:48 PM EST
    death certificate, with raised seal and original signatures.

    Parent
    We all know it's really some dude from Kenya (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:56:30 PM EST
    They have to (none / 0) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:51:08 PM EST
    display enough so it will be believed. Who believes this stuff from the U.S. government anymore without proof?

    Parent
    DNA. If they have a previous (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:53:31 PM EST
    positively identified sample.

    Parent
    Holy sh*t (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:50:35 PM EST
    if this turns out to be true (as it seems about to)...I dropped a tear in shock out of it really.  That is huge.  One way or another.

    The WH screwed up (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:09:05 PM EST
    If you say 10:30, it shouldn't be 11:30.

    CNN was saying from the beginning (none / 0) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:16:26 PM EST
    "as early as 10:30," so the word from the WH was apparently never definitive about timing.

    But he should get off the phone and get out there already.

    Parent

    Response from the Right (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by hilts on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:10:00 PM EST
    How many Fox News hosts and right wing radio hosts will call in sick tomorrow to avoid giving Obama any credit?

    Who will be the first birther bill sponsor in the House of Reps to publicly congratulate Obama?

    Can't wait to hear reaction from Rudy 9/11 Giuliani, Dick Cheney, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, and all of the other delusional right wing crazies.

    Believe me, the RW and GOP (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:14:39 PM EST
    will bob and weave and do backflips to avoid giving Obama credit.  

    It'll be our fighting military men, our CIA, and additional credit to the Republicans for not wanting to cut funding to the Pentagon, unlike Obama and the Dems.

    Parent

    George Stephanopolous and his (none / 0) (#141)
    by hairspray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:59:41 PM EST
    reporter Jonathonsomething or other were the worst. George interviewed Stephen Hadley of the Valerie Plane fiasco and both George and his reporter Jonathon were saying how there wasn't daylight between the two parties on this action and trying to capture osama bin laden has been a goal of both administrations...blah, blah. I could have sworn the G. Bush said he didn't 'worry much about osama. Did I dream that?  Well, I think that the Democrats are more competent at governing and that is the real story.

    Parent
    You are correct (none / 0) (#145)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon May 02, 2011 at 08:54:40 AM EST

    Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of -

    THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

    Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

    So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong;

    YouTube Link

    Parent

    some idiot on ABC (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:14:25 PM EST
    just said "he has been brought to justice." Excuse me. He was killed. He never got a trial. People can be glad he's dead and think the U.S. acted appropriately in killing him, but he hasn't been brought to justice.

    now they are acting like we (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:16:57 PM EST
    killed al Qaida. How ridiculous. Killing Osama won't end al Qaida or terrorism. There are so many splinter al Qaida groups now, and Osama is one person. Others will spring up to take his place.

    Who is acting like that? (none / 0) (#72)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:19:02 PM EST
    Whoever they are, they're profoundly stupid.

    I'm watching CNN, and nobody there is saying anything like that.  Quite the contrary.

    Parent

    ABC (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:20:03 PM EST
    is what I have on and they are all saying it.

    Parent
    The network has gone to **** (none / 0) (#83)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:31:35 PM EST
    Peter Jennings is surely rolling over in his grave at that, and Roone Arledge, too.  It's indescribably ignorant.

    Parent
    No direct relation (none / 0) (#85)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:32:44 PM EST
    just the comparison of the GWB hoopla "Mission Accomplished" over something that was utterly not finished, and a middle-of-the-night announcement from the WH about something else that was finished.

    Parent
    I'm watching ABC too (none / 0) (#93)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:40:04 PM EST
    They act lime we will beleaving Afghanistan tomorrow. Makes me wonder if there is going to be a real letdown in a week.

    Parent
    It is indeed the "Mission (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:32:03 PM EST
    Accomplished" anniversary. So, I guess there is a symmetry to this announcement coming today.

    I imagine this will be of some comfort to those who lost loved ones on 9/11, and to those who lived in Manhattan and Washington, D.C. at the time of the 9/11 attack.

    For the vast majority of us, however, this will not change a thing. Al Quaida has been splintered into a myriad assortment of groups around the world, mostly with no allegiance to Osama bin Laden. So, it is hardly a harbinger of the end of the 'War on Terror."

    Nor will this end the assault on civil liberties we have been living under for nearly a decade. And I doubt we will be ending our, now three, different wars. Getting Osama was never the reason we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, and his death will not be a reason to get out of those countries. And Libya, well, Libya has nothing to do with Osama.

    So, yeah, glad he's dead, but when the celebrating is over we will wake up to the same old "War on Terror" world we had yesterday. Nothing real will have changed.

    It was just today, wow (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:39:52 PM EST


    Ok. ABC first said it was days ago (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:41:12 PM EST
    Apparently (none / 0) (#116)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:04:51 PM EST
    they're not only stupid, they're also incompetent these days.  What a comedown for a once great news organization.

    Parent
    Thats what happens when news (none / 0) (#142)
    by hairspray on Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:01:55 AM EST
    organizations become entertainment vessels. All about profits!

    Parent
    Glad... (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:43:06 PM EST
    Obama made the point that Bin Laden was not a leader of Muslims, but a mass murderer of them.

    CA on ABC made the same point (none / 0) (#109)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:52:55 PM EST
    I got into the O speech a bit late as I was on the phone with Mom, but did O make the point that it wasn't 'just' Americans that died on 9/11?

    Parent
    No. Once again, he misstated that. (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Peter G on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:04:23 PM EST
    He said "3000 of our citizens" (twice, I think), which is true enough, but unfortunately failed to mention the hundreds of non-citizen members of our national community who were also killed that day.

    Parent
    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:10:05 PM EST
    in my haze of those days, I seem to remember part of the world wide community response was the depth of the personal impact in other countries. I think we still would have had the same response, but there was a community grieve aspect due to who was killed from many countries.

    Parent
    don't think so (none / 0) (#118)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:07:10 PM EST
    He said 3,000 of "our citizens," that the phrase I remember.  But I'll read the transcript tomorrow, because I might have missed it.

    Parent
    We've killed (5.00 / 4) (#102)
    by DancingOpossum on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:44:39 PM EST
    a lot more people than Osama BL ever dreamed of. Not to mention war, torture, and rendition...and not to mention, EVER, a decades-long foreign policy that could have no other outcome but violent rage from those we inflicted it on.

     But it was all worth it, I guess -- all the killing, all the torture, all the bloodshed, all the war, all the fattened-up gov contractors, all the maimed and blown-up children and parents and cities, all the dead and wounded and suicidal soldiers on our side, all the ongoing and increasing hatred of us the world over...ah yes, of course, all worth it so we could kill this one guy. Yippidy-doo-dah. I feel so safe!

    So we can end the wars now?

    Wow -- huge noisy (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:50:52 PM EST
    crowd outside WH very late at night.

    Hard to tell if they are shouting "USA!!" or "Beat L.A.!!".

    Its now an hour after the President (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by NYShooter on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:48:25 PM EST
    made his announcement. The crowd outside the White House is growing larger, more boisterous, and seems on the verge of delirium. Fists pumping into the air, countless flags waving back and forth, and scores of young girls riding the shoulders of their boyfriends, I guess. USA! USA!.....usa

    Even David Gergen is comparing this to fall of the Berlin Wall.
    Imagine that.

    I can't help but wonder if tomorrow morning the countless millions of out of work breadwinners will be magically employed, or the millions of foreclosures will cease, or the, who knows how many, languishing in nameless prisons, and charged with nothing, will be freed?

    Now, if President Obama had announced that tonight he had instructed AG Holder to round up the CEO's of the major "Investment banks" and bring them before the bar of justice to answer for the unspeakable damage they've caused America, and the world, THEN I'd celebrate.

    At least Obama showed what the power of the Presidency can really do when it wants to: He pre-empted The Donald & The Apprentice.

    Osama Bin Laden? I'm going to bed.

    Berlin Wall??? (5.00 / 4) (#146)
    by kdog on Mon May 02, 2011 at 09:12:52 AM EST
    Really?  Watching the celebratory crowds on the news this morning, I immediately thought of the stock footage of celebratory Arab crowds chanting "Death to America" when a perceived blow is struck against us.

    The Berlin Wall coming down was an act of peace and hope, this is an act of murder and war...not gonna shed no tears for the sc*mbag of course, but I'm in no mood to dance either...continued violence and war are assured, this is no watershed peace moment, and hence no reason to celebrate.

    Parent

    kdog, my thoughts mirrored yours. (none / 0) (#147)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon May 02, 2011 at 11:07:49 AM EST
    We lost the right to be outraged when such celebrations take place against the US now.

    Not that I am sorry Bin Laden is dead. He was a vicous mass murderer and facilitator of mass murderers. He will not be missed, except by extremists. He was an evil man, and he reaped only once what he sowed thousands of times.

    Parent

    Al Jazera... (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by kdog on Mon May 02, 2011 at 11:27:53 AM EST
    has stock footage now too, to play everytime a drone takes out a wedding...lovely.

    Peace seems even further out of reach today, and it was pretty damn far away on Friday, as it was.

    Parent

    Wolf Blitzer says it isn't Libya (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:34:04 PM EST
    So, Japan nuclear leak? Osama captured and or dead?

    Yeah (none / 0) (#70)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:17:47 PM EST
    I was getting ready for bed, and heard my roommate say to come down, announcement pending...and I thought, "oh sh*t."  What other disaster could be upon us?  To think Osama is dead, well, hell.  I'll more than take it.  Thank god.

    Parent
    CBS News (none / 0) (#2)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:34:56 PM EST
    I don't know (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:39:36 PM EST
    if it matters much in terms of policy, but it clearly is a political plus for Obama.

    Parent
    I guess U.S. can w/d from (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:46:35 PM EST
    Afghanistan now.

    Parent
    You know (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:48:46 PM EST
    It certainly is easier now.

    Sounds stupid but, politically clearlyt easier to declare victory.

    Parent

    Withdraw through Libya? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:50:20 PM EST
    Ugh (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:53:32 PM EST
    As always (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:54:27 PM EST
    Honestly, I'm not sure (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:40:59 PM EST
    Osama hasn't even had a video in ages. He's yesterday's news.

    Parent
    I don't care (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:49:46 PM EST
    I'm not a bloodthirsty person, but I'm sitting here weeping with joy.  Literally.


    Parent
    My immediate reaction too (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:51:31 PM EST
    Can't help it.  We've been waiting.

    Parent
    I hear you (none / 0) (#28)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:51:31 PM EST
    But I'm sure the President will emphasize that this isn't "mission accomplished."

    Parent
    Sure, but (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:53:53 PM EST
    it REALLY REALLY matters to me.  And probably a hell of lot of other Americans.  But I don't even give two &&&& about the political implications.  I just wanted him dead.  Preferably painfully, but I'll take what I can get.

    Parent
    Real shame about the guy, (none / 0) (#42)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:58:06 PM EST
    who started out life with so much given to him, and who apparently had a soft spot in his younger years, growing up enjoying watching US teevee shows like Bonanza and Fury.

    Then after all that soft and positive human role modeling from across the oceans from the Cartwright family and the horse-loving kid, somewhere along the line he goes bad and turns into one of the world's worst mass murderers.  Go figure

    Parent

    Bush never got him (3.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:41:38 PM EST
    It's a plus imo.

    Parent
    How will the GOP fault the Pres. (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:43:42 PM EST
    on this issue?

    Parent
    Impossible (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:44:48 PM EST
    It's just a winner.

    Of course, it would have been better say, October 2012, but this is an obvious positive.  

    Parent

    Depends somewhat on the details (none / 0) (#22)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:49:59 PM EST
    and how he was gotten, if true.  Huge political plus though, discounted by the fact it has happened under a Dem admin.

    Had this been during a Repub admin -- Shrub, Poppy or Reagan in particular -- we'd be hearing calls in Congress for a National Day of Celebration for Our Glorious and Courageous President, etc, and the MSM would be whipped into a frenzy of glassy-eyed patriotic fever for the commander-in-chief as they begin fitting him for a place on Mt Rushmore.

    Parent

    But Wolf is proud of himself (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:36:24 PM EST
    for not speculating. Bleh.

    Parent
    He's such an embarrassment. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:37:54 PM EST
    He should stick to finishing in the red on Jeopardy.

    Parent
    Heh, didn't know about that (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:38:34 PM EST
    He all but confirmed it was Osama just now anyway.

    Parent
    John King says it's Osama's body (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:44:36 PM EST


    Well, at first I was annoyed as they (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:50:28 PM EST
    interrupted a 60 mins story here about my fav race horse, but what the heck, this is news.

    Lara Logan on CBS (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:53:00 PM EST
    Great night for her.

    Parent
    Couldn't bear to listen, though I admire (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:56:09 PM EST
    her courage and motive for going public.

    Parent
    Oh, I didn't watch that either (none / 0) (#39)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:57:08 PM EST
    She's giving live analysis right now.

    Parent
    That ripped me up (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:58:00 PM EST
    she's very brave. nothing but major props for her.

    glad she's back, and fantastic (unplanned) timing. 60 mins, she tells her story. 60 mins gets interrupted and she's there with the story :)

    Parent

    Hah! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:51:25 PM EST
    I watched that earlier this evening.  Could listen to stories about Zenyatta for hours.

    Parent
    gawd, I hate to say it . . . (none / 0) (#36)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:54:32 PM EST
    but I hope I can catch the complete piece online :P

    they had such great access to her. she's just breathtaking.

    but this news is worth the interruption . . .

    Parent

    Now (none / 0) (#40)
    by NYShooter on Sun May 01, 2011 at 09:57:16 PM EST
    we'll find out what kind of organization he left behind.

    Undoubtedly, revenge will be their #1 goal.

    They could not possibly (none / 0) (#46)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:02:00 PM EST
    be more determined to destroy us than they already are.  I honestly don't think it matters very much-- just to us.

    Parent
    So, I guess the scramble will be on (none / 0) (#43)
    by Anne on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:01:04 PM EST
    to figure out how to keep scaring the bejesus out of people now that the Scariest Man Alive isn't alive anymore...

    Honestly, I haven't believed for a long time that bin Laden was the biggest threat to our safety as much as he became the biggest and best justification for why we've had to lose so much of our privacy and freedom.

    Anyone here thinking now we'll be getting all of that back?  Hell, no - it'll be "see, it worked, so we have to keep doing it."

    Give it a rest for (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:03:48 PM EST
    at least a few hours.

    Parent
    I hope the world will be a better (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Anne on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:12:05 PM EST
    place without bin Laden in it; he's brought untold grief to too many people to count.

    He's also been used as a reason for why we've had to toss the Constitution aside, and I find that pretty horrifying, too.

    I'm sorry I'm not shedding tears of joy; for me, given the damage done on so many fronts, both by bin Laden and because of him, his death seems anticlimactic.

    Parent

    The main bogeyman (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:14:33 PM EST
    the man responsible for the death of thousands, is dead.  

    I don't doubt the government will try to forward their goals through whatever means they see fit.

    I can't help but think this will help some people, and help us as a nation to reevaluate the war on terror, all the same.

    Parent

    CBS reporting that Osama was shot (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:01:33 PM EST
    in the head.

    Too bad (none / 0) (#48)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:03:18 PM EST
    I would have preferred disembowelment.

    I just hope there's enough of his face left to be recognizable.


    Parent

    I think the 6 ft 6 body (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:11:56 PM EST
    Will be identifiable enough

    Parent
    There's considerable doubt (none / 0) (#81)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:29:38 PM EST
    about that.  According to "The Looming Tower," which is splendidly sourced, he's nowhere near that tall, maybe 6 feet max, which is tall enough for a Saudi to be unusual.

    Parent
    No matter, apparently they did DNA (none / 0) (#88)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:34:23 PM EST
    The amazing thing is that they have been able to keep this quiet for a couple of days. Must have been really hard not to shout it in the streets.

    Parent
    No wonder O (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:42:18 PM EST
    was in such a good mood at the WH correspondents dinner last night....

    Parent
    I badly mis-read that. Thought you (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:06:22 PM EST
    sd. "Obama."  

    Parent
    Ted Kennedy had an issue with that once. . . (none / 0) (#52)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:07:10 PM EST
    I think we should burn his body (none / 0) (#47)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:03:15 PM EST
    with jet fuel.

    Too clean (none / 0) (#50)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:04:53 PM EST
    Did you read "Wolf Hall"? (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:07:53 PM EST
    But none of those gory methods would be effective if he has already died.  Hang, disembowel while still alive, draw and quarter, behead.

    Parent
    I did (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:15:05 PM EST
    Loved the book.  Always hated Thomas More, so it certainly fed my prejudices on that score.

    There's a special place in hell reserved for the people who did this, IMO.  It wasn't just UBL, of course, but it made me nuts that he was still prancing around making videos shaking his finger.

    I'm celebrating.

    Parent

    no statement yet but (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:08:19 PM EST
    NBC has shut out Celebrity Apprentice for David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell.  They are so boring and just filling time.

    You should switch from NBC to Al Jazeera (none / 0) (#66)
    by Peter G on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:15:58 PM EST
    They're a lot more interesting while they're filling time -- with correspondents in Pakistan and Afghanistan.  

    Parent
    Um.... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:12:35 PM EST
    Oops (none / 0) (#61)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    Misread that.  Reuters reporting that CNN is reporting that.

    Parent
    Gloria Borger on CNN (none / 0) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:20:46 PM EST
    is reporting she's been told it wasn't a drone but apparently a face to face.  I just hope it was an American who got him.  Can you imagine the feelings?


    Parent
    I hope so. (none / 0) (#78)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:23:08 PM EST
    A lot of people have died for what he started.  It's huge, plain and simple.

    Parent
    I'm hoping (none / 0) (#71)
    by lilburro on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:18:55 PM EST
    this is just a mandate for minority Democratic presidents forever ;)  

    Heartfelt agreement (none / 0) (#73)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:19:40 PM EST


    Andrea Mitchell said that (none / 0) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:22:04 PM EST
    I don't get why that's such a big deal. The mission accomplished was Iraq, no? What did it have to do with 9/11 or Osama? Iraq had no role in 9/11, contrary to what the Bush administration tried to sell.

    I think, at minimum, this (none / 0) (#77)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:23:02 PM EST
    will politically validate the Obama Afghanistan escalation.

    I do hope the President speaks before tomorrow.

    If drone in Pakistan killed him? (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:26:00 PM EST
    No, reportedly (none / 0) (#87)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:33:57 PM EST
    a bullet to the head.  Not clear whether by a U.S. special ops guy or a Pakistani ISI guy, but I'm betting on the former.


    Parent
    ESPN radio: bin Laden killed by drone (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:25:10 PM EST
    a week ago.  Waiting for DNA confirmation til now to announce.  Back to Mets v. Phillies.

    Oh, well, that settles it (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:35:44 PM EST
    ESPN has much superior sources in the military and the White House...

    Parent
    Maybe I'm underreacting to this (none / 0) (#82)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:31:33 PM EST
    CNN is playing up the celebrating crowds outside of the WH.

    These people are fools (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:33:30 PM EST
    That's my reaction, sorry.

    Parent
    Fools? Good grief. (none / 0) (#89)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:34:50 PM EST
    If I lived near there, I'd be out there with them.

    Parent
    There's just something macabre (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:36:20 PM EST
    about it.

    Parent
    I'm with you (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:44:02 PM EST
    I feel satisfied it is done, but the jubilation over it is not in my nature I suppose.

    Parent
    Macabre? (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Rojas on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:00:21 PM EST
    jet fuel funeral pyre?
    kindred spirits...IMHO
    good grief.

    Parent
    Acknowledged (none / 0) (#114)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:04:00 PM EST
    That would be karmic justice, but it would be the wrong message.

    We should bury him in a cheap box in Wyoming. Or whatever. I don't really care.

    Parent

    Part time virgin (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Rojas on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:13:35 PM EST
    seems it's part of the human condition.
    I've never claimed to be exempt...

    Parent
    ABC said there will be a burial at sea (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:11:20 PM EST
    I love the idea of some of our naval officers pitching him over. I'm fine with that.

    Parent
    Whose choice was that (none / 0) (#124)
    by sj on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:17:47 PM EST
    I wonder?

    Parent
    doesn't that pollute (none / 0) (#126)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:26:22 PM EST
    the ocean?

    Parent
    The body of an enemy killed in "war" (none / 0) (#129)
    by Peter G on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:32:18 PM EST
    should be handled in keeping with the enemy officer's own religious tradition if possible, under the Geneva Accords, shouldn't it?  

    Parent
    According to John Dickerson.. (none / 0) (#131)
    by Tony on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:34:04 PM EST
    White House officials say that they will ensure his body is being handled in accord of Islamic tradition.

    Parent
    Probably the right choice (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:41:09 PM EST
    Which means time is of the essence and (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:46:14 AM EST
    no female mourners permitted.

    Parent
    Shark food (none / 0) (#134)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:42:02 PM EST
    Sorry, but were you old enough (none / 0) (#101)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:44:27 PM EST
    in 2001 to understand what had happened?

    I'm dancing around my living room with a bottle of bourbon.

    Parent

    I was old enough to know who Bin Laden was (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:45:43 PM EST
    before the day of the attack, thank you very much.

    Parent
    I was certainly old enough to (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:51:44 PM EST
    understand what happened on 9/11, and I am not dancing around anywhere. Osama's death will not change one thing for the vast majority of Americans, me included.

    Unless you lost a loved one in the 9/11 attacks, or you were living in Manhattan or D.C. at the time, I fail to see the reason for any jubilation.

    Parent

    My Mom is 'happy' (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by nycstray on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:04:51 PM EST
    perhaps because of the 'event' and then my documenting it.

    Me, I watched the towers fall and the "pile" burn (from my window) for 3 months. I got dog tags and wore them just in case. I couldn't imagine the pain of the families that had no identification of their loved ones. My friend helped in that. She wears a med bracelet, but mentioned that most women have their id in their purse. Most men have it in their back pocket. What killed me the most during that time, was all those families wanting to know about their loved ones and the lack of being able to find/id them. I would never want to put my family/loved ones through that.

    Parent

    Killing is not a cause for (5.00 / 6) (#110)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:56:03 PM EST
    celebration. Justice occurs when someone is apprehended and given a trial. I can understand people feeling satisfied he's dead, but jubilant? How awful.

    Parent
    Sorry about that (none / 0) (#113)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:03:50 PM EST
    But that's my reaction.

    Parent
    Sure, I'm just not the dancing around type (none / 0) (#106)
    by ruffian on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:50:46 PM EST
    May pour a gin though- good idea!

    Parent
    ESPN radio: cheers of U.S.A. at (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:41:23 PM EST
    Phillie ballpark.  Reminds me of the flag-lowering ceremony at the only ground crossing between Pakistan and India.  Each side yelling either "Hindustan" or "Pakistan."  Bizarre.    

    Parent
    Good news, but... (none / 0) (#97)
    by LFN on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:42:41 PM EST
    not sure how much this will change. It is an important symbolic victory, certainly good for Obama politically, esp given that it was an operation he directed. Maybe will allow us to pull out of Afghanistan, but I worry it will intensify tensions with Pakistan. Though they were supposedly helpful today in carrying out the operation, if Bin Laden has been there long term, Pakistani ISI should have known? Maybe did know? Overall, I think this is important symbolically and politically for Obama, but will not change much in terms of international relations.

    I think it changes nothing (none / 0) (#103)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:45:21 PM EST
    It's just a Good Thing a lot of people have been waiting and wishing for for 10 years.

    Parent
    President asks for UNITY (none / 0) (#100)
    by andgarden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:44:13 PM EST
    I'm glad he's giving that a shot. I think it will be fleeting.

    Strong strain of American exceptionalism (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Sun May 01, 2011 at 10:48:51 PM EST
    in the portion (ending) I saw.

    Parent
    Yes we can! (none / 0) (#112)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:02:41 PM EST
    Parts of the speech were good, but the end of it -- the "we can do anything we put our minds to" part (paraphrasing) -- struck the wrong note.

    Parent
    (sigh) (none / 0) (#121)
    by sj on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:12:53 PM EST
    Except when it comes to job creation.

    I mean, I'm glad the Hunt For Osama Bin Laden is over.  Really.  But I would have had greater appreciation for apprehending him.  And that is a sour note to end on.

    Parent

    Kind of unrealistic though (none / 0) (#140)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:55:12 PM EST
    to expect our forces would have been able to apprehend him alive, with all the security he was surrounded with, who were apparently on orders from OBL to kill him immediately if threatened with capture (BBC).

    Parent
    I suppose you're right (none / 0) (#143)
    by sj on Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:45:26 AM EST
    CNN"s terror expert Peter Bergen (none / 0) (#123)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:17:23 PM EST
    says War on Terror now over with death of Bin Laden.  No one to replace him with, OBL was major recruiting vehicle in life, not so much in death.

    Well, Peter Bergen is a fool. There's always (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by tigercourse on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:20:30 PM EST
    another snake. No matter how many heads you cut off. There's always another.

    Parent
    Exactly (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:32:49 PM EST
    just like with the cartels. You kill one leader, another just rises to take his place. Until we address the root cause for their hatred of us, and redirect our funding from war towards reducing the poverty and socio-economic problems in these regions, killing Osama won't make a bit of difference in the long run.

    Parent
    Except PB is not (none / 0) (#128)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:29:39 PM EST
    normally your typical MSM security/terrorism expert fool.  Pretty level headed and not crazy or right-leaning like that so many of these pundits on tv.

    Parent
    I guess even level headed people can have (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by tigercourse on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:35:23 PM EST
    flights of fancy, because that opinion is just plain weird.

    Parent
    No, but he is an incompetent jerk (none / 0) (#135)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:43:04 PM EST
    who's made an entire career as an "expert" on Islamic terrorism after having interviewed UBL once some years before 9/11.  I've never heard him say anything intelligent.  He's the Condi Rice of terrorism, IMO.


    Parent
    Different experience (none / 0) (#136)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:46:01 PM EST
    with Peter here, and I've seen him probably a hundred times on the tv.  Not usually associating himself with the crazy neocon WoT forever wing of terrorism pundits.

    But YMMV

    Parent

    Sorry, didn't mean to suggest (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue May 03, 2011 at 03:17:33 PM EST
    he was part of the crazy neo-con right-wing cadre.  As far as I can tell, he has no particular point of view and seems to be improvising his point of view as he goes along.

    I confess I haven't read the book, but I'd be pretty surprised if he had intelligent stuff to say in it that he's never uttered a peep of on TV-- that I've heard anyway.

    What I meant by the Condi Rice comparison was her previous incarnation as a "Russia expert," during which she never uttered a word beyond the conventional standard-issue conservative "Kremlin-watcher" doctrine.

    Bergen wrote a book about his one interview with bin Laden (which interview wasn't particularly revelatory) and as far as i can tell has done nothing since then.  That's why I say he's been dining out off that one interview.

    Apologies if I sound too harsh, but the utter emptiness of his commentary has been bugging the heck out of me for years.  Perhaps I've simply missed the times he's had something interesting and perceptive to offer.

    Parent

    Also, re his expertise, (none / 0) (#139)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:52:57 PM EST
    he's written a book (or two, I forget) about the subject, so is more than just an empty-headed terror windbag for tv.  

    And re his OBL interview:  first, western media interviews with Osama were rare, and so he'd naturally want to mention his one interview.  But I don't think he's ever Larry King'ed it into making that one interview into something greater than just one interview.  Of course, if you're one of only a handful(?) of western journalists allowed to interview him, that's something of an all-time keeper for the resume.  Hard to criticize him for having it mentioned when he's introduced.

    Parent

    what an idiotic statment he made (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:29:26 PM EST
    Al Qaida Arabian Peninsula is much more of a threat. Somalia's al Qaida group al-Shabab is still a threat, just to name two. Our terror threat level will rise and security will be massive for a long time.

    Parent
    It may turn out (none / 0) (#137)
    by brodie on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:47:24 PM EST
    to be idiotic, on this 8th anniv day of Shrub's idiotic Mission Accomplished speech.

    Just saying he's not normally the type to utter idiotic statements, from my experience watching him.

    Parent