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    Looks like (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:11:48 AM EST
    oculus and MT managed an accidental censoring

    Shocking! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:15:30 AM EST
    Accidental?

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    I would have been also (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:17:59 AM EST
    with my reply to oculus but you two were gone before I could join the party.

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    Gotta love the "Tea Party Downgrade" (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:14:33 AM EST
    though.  CNN is running a piece on the meme.  And Joe Walsh says that John Kerry has minions :)

    Do his minions have the personality (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:46:50 AM EST
    of Squidward, or of PAtrick Star?

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    That one just chaps me (5.00 / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:41:00 AM EST
    Chaps me hard...

    Let's make a joke.  At least John Kerry feeds and gives shelter to his minions:)

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    C'mon... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:55:46 AM EST
    everybody knows supporting your kids is a socialist plot.

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    I'm part of the U.S. military complex (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:05:54 PM EST
    doing my duty when requested, getting my free healthcare and my cost controlled commissary and my free super cool family fun swimming pooltacular, and my cost controlled movie theaters.....there is a lit running path now at Fort Rucker too right by the golf course and the stables so I can run when it is too hot during the day.  Was their ever a question about me being a big fat socialist?

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    Bad grammar though when typing (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:06:59 PM EST
    My loving comrades don't mind

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    Even during the height of Soviet communism (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:23:28 PM EST
    the US military was the largest socialist command economy in the world.  Still is.

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    No leg to stand on... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:16:03 PM EST
    I think I typed "know" but meant "now" like 3 times already today:)

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    And this Gem (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:55:24 AM EST
    In addition to the foreclosure on his condominium, Walsh was haunted during his campaign by disclosures of liens on his property from unpaid bills and staffers abandoning his campaign, saying he wasn't paying them.

    Not sure if I should laugh cry:

    Congress has withheld child support money from members' paychecks over the years when ordered by a court, said Dan Weiser, a spokesman for the U.S. House of Representatives. He did not elaborate.

    Why is this not worth elaborating about ?

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    Well... (none / 0) (#131)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 09:30:30 AM EST
    ... seems like mentioning who owes child support, or rather who has been forced to pay it could be done w/o dragging the children into it.

    But more to the point, aren't they doing more damage by not paying then the public would do in exposing it ?  Just seems like a Bush torture arguement, instead of stopping the behavior we just stop the exposure.

    But for the sake of argument, kid matters are off the table, I still think the privacy that shrouds people who write laws, should be removed.  You want to be a public servant, you agree to forgoing some privacy.  Then JackA's who get foreclosed on won't be so quick to scold the rest of us on financial matters w/o getting called don it.  And I love how republicans rationalize their own flaws, they always have a legitimate reason, while no one else does.  Of course he foreclosed on because he was broke, does he really believe other foreclosure were done for the hell of it.

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    HAHAHAHAH (none / 0) (#86)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    John Kerry has "minions"??  That's really funny.  He's always been one of the biggest loners in the Senate.  If there's any pol out there who has fewer "minions" than John Kerry, I'd love to know about it.

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    Interesting SCOTUS case (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:01:31 AM EST
    The case is Maxwell-Jolly v. the Independent Living Center of California, in which California providers are challenging the state's proposed 10 percent cut to Medicaid provider payments. Last July, in a brief to the Supreme Court, they argued that a cut so sweeping violates the federal requirements that come with participating in the Medicaid program. Federal law says Medicaid rates must be "sufficient to enlist enough providers" so that Medicaid recipients have the same access to care as other people in the area.

    The challenge has split Democrats. The Obama administration, in a rare move, has taken a side on the case: it says that providers don't have the right to take on provider rates in court. That took Medicaid advocates by surprise. "You have the administration providing the argument for why we shouldn't have this other oversight mechanism," says Brietta Clark, a law professor at Loyola University in Los Angeles who specializes in health policy.

    Leading Congressional Democrats have taken the exact opposite stance, filing a brief late last Friday urging the Supreme Court to protect providers' right to sue. Seven Democrat signed onto the brief, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and HELP Committee Chairman Tom Harkin (D-Iowa). E.Klein



    Words fail (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:10:14 AM EST
    "Not one penny" from the Billionaire criminals who crashed the world, but reducing, of all things, medical care, for the poorest of the poor, and Obama's nostrils flair like man-o-war.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:57:53 AM EST
    It could easily be said that Obama doesn't share my world view.

    An accurate accounting of his term in office would be:

    I will work tirelessly to promote a country by the rich and for the rich and the rest of you just sit down and STFU.

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    To have the Democratic party enabling (none / 0) (#46)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:48:35 AM EST
    and promoting Obama's worldview - a worldview that has embraced so much of the Bush administration's policies, and venerated the economic policies of Ronald Reagan and Grover Norquist - just makes my blood boil.

    In my humble opinion, this would be a better place if Obama did share our worldview, instead of the old, tired, backwards, judgmental, dismissive, condescending and cruel policies of his Republican predecessors.

    I know you officially left the party, but I'm thinking we could use a bumper sticker that says: "When is a Democrat Not a Democrat?  When his name is Barack Obama."

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    here's a Grand Bargain (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:03:44 PM EST
    Obama, step aside & let a real Democrat run in 2012

    in exchange, we put your likeness on Mt. Rushmore right now, alongside St. Ronnie's

    talk about a bipartisan shovel-ready project

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    Small correction to above comment (none / 0) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:01:50 AM EST
    The post was on Erza Klein's blog but was actually written by Sarah Kliff.

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    and if you're too sick to sit (none / 0) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:22:42 AM EST
    then lay down and STFU!

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    I think the message (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:46:58 AM EST
    to cutting medicaid is that 'you people' have simply become a nuisance to the owners so eff off and die already wouldja.

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    The named legislators, in their (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:14:00 AM EST
    friend of the court brief said that the administration's position would undermine the effectiveness of Medicaid and that it conflicts with a century of court precedents that allow people to sue to block state actions that are inconsistent with federal law. Similar arguments were made by a dozen former federal health officials including Donna Shalala (Clinton), Jos. Califano (Carter), and Bruce Vladeck who was in charge of Medicaid/Medicare (Clinton).

    These previous officials said that they had supported and embraced lawsuits by beneficiaries as a way to help achieve Medicaid's goals.  The AMA states that judicial enforcement is the only viable means to remedy states' noncompliance with the Medicaid Act. Also weighing in support of beneficiaries were civil rights groups, the US Chamber of Commerce, AARP, and the American Hospital Association.  

    The influential individuals and powerful groups mobilizing against the administration supports my earlier view that the best outcome from the debt ceiling debacle will be failure of Cat Food II provisions yielding the automatic cuts.  Certainly, not a good choice what with the hellish auto-cuts, but better than what the devils of Cat Food II and/or the Congress will do.  And, a better chance for subsequent corrections.

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    Interesting indeed (none / 0) (#57)
    by vicndabx on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:26:27 PM EST
    Thanks

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    At the doctor's office for my biopsy... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:18:43 PM EST
    IIRC, it's the gray aliens who do anal probes...

    I hope my DNA is good enough for a human/alien hybrid. With my son's visit, and us hanging around with a lot of other children, I think it's time for more.

    We're doing review now of math, reading, science, and writing before we head back.

    But SOMEBODY knows how to cop a 'tude quick, fast, and in a hurry. Today begins the disabuse of such attitudes. Grandma is giving the review while I'm doing this.

    I still remember the dreded words...

    "Go outside and get me a switch."

    I doubt I'll live-blog today, even though new computer has built-in camera...

    Thoughts and Hopes... (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:23:39 PM EST
    are with you friend...may you be a 1%'er!

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    Please...no cameras! But hoping all (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:28:17 PM EST
    goes well today, and the results are better than you are anticipating - someone's got to be in the 1%, so why not you?

    Report back when you can, Jeff...

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    Already starting as a good day... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:31:47 PM EST
    @BTA@ just sent me an email message. I've won One Million Pounds!

    Of what, I have no clue.

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    I'll be writing a diary update tomorrow. (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:29:02 PM EST
    I'm wiped out today. 16 or 18 different core samples from my prostate. And no, they don't numb anything, although they do use plenty of lube to get the ultrasound reader and the needler of intense pain up there.

    I think the next diary will focus on the empathy I now have for females who have yearly or semi-yearly gynecological visits, mammograms, pap smears, etc.

    Any male afraid to get even the prostate 'finger wave' shows less guts than a package of split chicken breasts.

    Women, you go through stuff like this every YEAR? Perhaps not the needles, but the invasion?

    MAybe if men had to get such exams every 10 years starting at 18, then men might care about, for instance, reproductive rights and insurance coverage.

    Nothing like experiencing the (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:43:21 PM EST
    insertion and expansion of a speculum.  You learn to deal with it, maybe put those yoga breathing skills to work, but you never, never get used to it.

    I cannot imagine experiencing the biopsy needle without any numbing, though. Geez!  I'm guessing you are exhausted and sore. My heart goes out to you, guy.

    About the mammogram- the experience varies from woman to woman depending on breast size, pain tolerance and the skill and empathy of the technician. Still, it is not ever pleasant. Imagine having your scrotum slapped down on a cold glass plate. Then imagine that another cold glass plate is brought down on top of your scrotum and tightened and then tightened some  more, and then snugged down just a bit more. Don't move! Hold your breath until we take the picture.

    I'm still hoping for good news from the biopsy, Jeff. As another commenter said earlier, someone has to be in that 1 %, so why not you?

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    I guss since we get two open threads (none / 0) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:58:55 AM EST
    you want us to have twice the fun.

    The stock market waits (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:00:59 AM EST
    today for Ben Bernanke and 2:15.  Buy if you think that the Bernanke is going to announce QE3, sell if you think he isn't.

    I would hate to be Ben Bernanke today.  He's damned if he does and he's damned if doesn't.  He's just damned :)

    or (none / 0) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:15:33 AM EST
    sit tight and enjoy the day away from the TV screen.

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    The best idea (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:18:16 AM EST
    Morning is my news time though, and the Dow ticker is big news....probably all morning.  All day long if there's a sell off.  But if I were a day trader and you were my lady....well, you would be lonely all day today :)

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    And if you feel like gambling... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:20:05 AM EST
    there are honest gambles to be had...Saratoga is dark on Tuesdays but Finger Lakes and others have a full card.  Casinos are always open.  

    No need to bet on the quality of life of billions of people going up or down.

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    I used to be decent (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:23:37 AM EST
    at picking horses when I was a kid.  All that excessive interest in animal husbandry isn't always worthless in the modern world.  But my dad got a really hard time for taking his kid to the track :)  We had fun though, and never bet serious money.

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    I used to be decent too:)... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:39:39 AM EST
    never doubt beginners luck. Then I learned how to read the form and its been downhill ever since:)

    Actually I did hit a semi-nice one, what was it, two weeks ago?  A sentimental pick named "Hit It Rich", my dad's name was Richard.  Sure enough he came in wire to wire at 7-1, had 20 bones on 'em, and the $ 120 Exacta 2X.  Nice little score.

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    Do investigate online (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:50:49 AM EST
    since you can watch old races online?

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    Oops, do you investigate online? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:51:20 AM EST
    Nah... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:09:32 AM EST
    I suppose it could be helpful, but I just read the charts/breeding/connections in the form, and if I'm at the track give the horses a look during the post parade.  But I can't resist those sentimental favorites...horses who share names with friends and loved ones.  

    Plan is to take the special lady and her lovely sister up to Saratoga 8/22 after our camping trip & Midnight Ramble at Levon's in Woodstock with some other friends.  Saratoga is a special place, oldest race track in America. And always delivers good prices, it's the best summer meet in the country.  Just yesterday there were two 28 dolla winners....compared to Aqueduct's 5 horse fields and 5 dolla winners.

    Like you said though, all for fun with potential profit, never bet the milk money.

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    And there is always (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:24:10 AM EST
    simulcast on puppies and ponies, although I think you need to head to Foxwoods for you New Yorkers to see the puppy part of that perfecta.

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    Yep no dogs... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:41:21 AM EST
    simulcast at OTB, sh*t no more OTB in NYC, the only bookie besides Donald Trump to ever lose money:)

    Ya still got Jai Alai down FLA way?

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    o/t Did you ever get the results of (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:54:53 AM EST
    your tests and find out what bit you?

    Are the antibiotics doing the trick and is your leg getting better?

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    No call... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:11:55 AM EST
    on the culture or blood work, I guess I should call them but I think I'm well on my way to two good legs.  Walking fine know, swelling and irritation from the infection gone...just the unsightly welts left to heal.

    Thanks for asking, how is your welt healing up?  When you're 100% I know I'm two weeks or so behind:)

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    Still has a visable mark (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:51:36 AM EST
    but definitely almost healed up. Doc about 2 weeks age said that it would take at least another month for it to go away completely. No swelling, infection or pain. Occasionally still itches but small price to pay considering the other awful alternatives.

    Glad to hear the pain and infection is gone. Hope that the "Attack of the Spiders" on the TL Universe is over. ;o)

     

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    Glad to hear that both of you are on (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:01:05 AM EST
    the mend. Hopefully, the arachnid community has had its fill of TL commenters.

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    Like Momma always said... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:13:30 AM EST
    when the bugs bite, it is because TL commenters are so sweet:)

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    Jai Alai (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:06:23 PM EST
    is still in a couple places down here. It's better for the entertainment value than for the gambling/investment return as there is far too much human element involved.

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    Indeed... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:17:30 PM EST
    the more humans are involved, the shadier it gets...thats why I stay away from the trotters.

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    Earthshaking question of the day (none / 0) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:35:43 AM EST
    Was it lit?

    VIENNA (AP) -- Was it lit or was it cold? The status of a cigar in Arnold Schwarzenegger's mouth at an Austrian airport could decide whether or not he faces legal action.

    Smoking at airports is banned in Austria and an anti-smoking lobby said Tuesday it plans to launch a suit against the former California governor for puffing on a stogie after arriving in June at Salzburg Airport.

    But officials suggest the affair will go up in smoke.



    Tomorrow's Anti-Smoking Lobby... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:18:19 AM EST
    press release will blame cigarettes for the downgrade.

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    Sounds like (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:48:17 AM EST
    the anti-smoking lobby will light up a pseudo attempt at grabbing invisible smoke rings, and wind up with nothing but puffery.

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    Jesus Christ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:14:31 AM EST
    whether it was lit or not, I think ya need to be caught in the act at least to be subject to any persecution.

    Anti-smoking zealot lobby...get a life please.

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    The Markets (none / 0) (#20)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:59:41 AM EST
    had a direct impact on my ability to comment a bunch, but I think the impact to the global markets shows that this isn't limited to US policies.

    The fundamentals everywhere are simply terrible, and  there is very little any one government could do to stop it.

    I don't think the markets are (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:23:29 AM EST
    your fault.  If they were though, all we would need is a location on you and we could fix this :)  Obama's policies though have led to this and he isn't just the leader of the free world, he is the leader of the policies that govern the global default currency. Soooooo, no get out of jail free card for him :)

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    I was Under the Impression that Governments... (none / 0) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:02:20 PM EST
    .. ran things, good to know no one is responsible.

    Wall Street is pleased to know their 'Mismanaging of Brains' programs is working.

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    We (none / 0) (#93)
    by chrisvee on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:09:29 PM EST
    can just sit around and wait for the World Government or United Federation of Planets to form to solve these problems.;-)

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    Warren Terrer (none / 0) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:24:21 PM EST
    was 100% right yesterday.

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    about what? (none / 0) (#107)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:44:42 PM EST
    link (none / 0) (#108)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 07:06:23 PM EST
    danke :) (none / 0) (#126)
    by NYShooter on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:50:34 AM EST
    Nobody evah listens to (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:18:19 AM EST
    me. Whah. Whah Whah. I know BTD can move comments, should he so choose. But no!!!!!

    And I was chomping at the bit (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:54:25 AM EST
    to comment on the well stocked employee truck you spotted which was obviously working overtime slurping of some of the @&#& that was being spewed yesterday.

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    How did Jeralyn miss this one? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:57:45 AM EST
    Ex-IMF Chief Strauss-Kahn Sued by Hotel Housekeeper for `Deplorable Acts'

    Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former International Monetary Fund chief criminally charged with sexually assaulting a hotel housekeeper, was sued by the woman for what her lawyer called "violent and deplorable acts."

    Nafissatou Diallo, who emigrated to the U.S. from Guinea, filed the complaint yesterday in New York State Supreme Court in the Bronx, where she lived at the time of the incident. The criminal case against Strauss-Kahn, 62, a onetime French presidential hopeful, is pending in state court in Manhattan.

    Diallo, who revealed her identity in media interviews last month, was working at the Sofitel hotel in midtown Manhattan May 14 when she entered Strauss-Kahn's suite, where the incident took place. Strauss-Kahn, whose lawyer has said the encounter wasn't forcible, was arrested and charged with sexual assault and attempted rape.

    "Believing that he was immune from the laws of this country, defendant Strauss-Kahn intentionally, brutally and violently sexually assaulted Ms. Diallo and in the process humiliated, degraded, violated and robbed Ms. Diallo of her dignity as a woman," her lawyers said in the complaint.

    The suit seeks unspecified monetary damages for physical and psychological harm, damage to Diallo's reputation, career, and mental anguish, for the assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress and false imprisonment. Strauss-Kahn has pleaded not guilty to criminal charges and denied any wrongdoing.

    Apparently unusual for a civil suit to be filed before the criminal case has been resolved.

    She predicted (none / 0) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:13:23 AM EST
    this approach was where it would be headed.

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    White riot - I wanna riot (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dan the Man on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:59:09 AM EST
    White riot - a riot of my own
    White riot - I wanna riot
    White riot - a riot of my own

    Somebody else... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:22:47 AM EST
    misses the mighty Joe Strummer.

    "Murder is a crime! Unless it is done by a policeman or an aristicrat."


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    Word on the streets of Croydon... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:31:45 AM EST
    we are "showing the rich we can do what we want".

    Words of wisdom from another people's prophet..."Dem belly full but we hungry, hungry mob is an angry mob."

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    Eh, let's not romanticize this... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Addison on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:54:22 PM EST
    The rioters, mostly teenage boys with no parental curfew, are for the most part showing their lower-class neighbors how many local businesses they can damage/burn and how many jobs they can force to leave the area. That'll show 'em! Meanwhile the job of actual pro-poor community activists (the people we should be backing) just got multiple times harder. Elsewhere, some middle class people are inconvenienced/scared and rich people are largely unaffected.

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    I'm not saying it is productive... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:15:00 PM EST
    or positive, I just know the feeling.

    Though you could argue it is more productive than just sitting there doing nothing, eating abuse and grift at the hands of power and their mercenaries.  

    I think it scares the rich and the upper-middle class at least a little, and lets some reality penetrate their worry-free bubbles.  But yes, activism and community-based attempts to improve your lot are probably more productive in the long run.

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    Well... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Addison on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:23:26 PM EST
    ...if you look at the Montreal hockey riots (or many, many other riots at universities and such) I think you'll find that the "feeling" among these particular rioters has more to do with being a teenager (and, usually, a boy) than being poor. Rich teenagers riot, too, and smash stuff too. And it looks pretty much the same -- random violence, cars burned, stores smashed.

    There are community-building activists among the poor in London who are being hurt by this and I'm not going to do them the disservice of aligning arsonists and thieves with their cause whatsoever. Not 1%. The rioters have found a cover for their action that forces many liberals to defend them or at least not condemn them. Well, I'm not going to be fooled -- the poor of London are diverse enough to allow mindless destructive teenagers, too.

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    Teenage angst... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:31:25 PM EST
    I gotcha...Young Man's Blues, in an old man's world.

    Activists may be hurt by it at this moment, but if the halls of power give out more bones for fear that their mansion is the next thing to get torched, activists and the poor & working classes would benefit in the long run from the rioters opening some eyes.

    And lets not pretend the young rioters are the only violent ones...a father of four being gunned down set this off.  And the police pick on the youth more than anybody, especially in police-state UK.  Ya can only get shoved so much before ya shove back, there is a reason Gandhi and King were so special, turning the other cheek is hard.

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    There.Is.No.Excuse (none / 0) (#72)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:34:23 PM EST
    for looting, rioting, and violence.  Please tell me how a bunch of hooligans breaking windows and looting small mom and pop stores is "sticking it to the man."

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    Far better to just let the (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:47:24 PM EST
    government stick it to the people, I guess - and stick it and stick it and stick it; everyone knows poor people have an endless capacity for that, right?

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    You would have a point (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:56:27 PM EST
    If they were protesting the government instead of burning the neighborhood down.

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    Thank you Anne... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:59:58 PM EST
    for the record breaking things that ain't yours ain't righteous, obviously...now somebody tell that to those out to break people every god damn day.  At least the left out, the p*ssed on, the disenfranchised only break sh*t once in a blue, their oppressors do it for a living.

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    It isn't... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:37:57 PM EST
    but it can open the man's eyes and get a few more bones out of him, to maintain the societal stability the man needs to maintain and grow his ownership of...well, almost everything.

    There is also no excuse for police gunning down unarmed men in the street either, but we sure hear plenty don't we?

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    They are still investigating (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:55:22 PM EST
    And if those police shot that man with no cuase, they they should be punished within the fullest extent of the law.

    Eventhe man's family is saying these riots are ridiculuous and should stop.

    But two wrongs definitely don't make a right.  There is no excuse for looting and burning.  None. There is nothing you or anyone can say that justifies this.

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    Key word "should be"... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:08:58 PM EST
    but as you well know, the conviction rate of those who abuse power pales against the conviction rate of the powerless.  

    I'd like the riots to stop too, and police brutality and institutionalized grifting to stop as well.  Why do riots wad our panties while the other two garner shrugs?

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    Well said, jbindc (none / 0) (#75)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:41:52 PM EST
    We see this lesson repeated from time to time. Those old adages come to mind... like "What are you trying to do, burn down the barn to kill the rat?" It comes up, from time to time, that idea that something has to be burned or razed before we can build anew; and, those heated actions end the same way. No nirvana; only hurt & dust.
    Thanks again for your direct reminder.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#127)
    by Rojas on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:40:55 AM EST
    Doesn't everyone know coal miners of Pennsylvania won the right to organize by passive resistance?Nary an axe handle raised in anger....

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    Please don't lecture me on (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:42:47 AM EST
    Pennsylvania coal miners.  Both my grandfathers were Pennsylvania coal miners.

    These people rioting in England are (for the vast majority) not doing so to make a point to make their lives better. They would be protesting at government buildings and at public events by government officials. What they ARE doing is  taking an opportunity to loot, to burn things, and to cause general mayhem, after which when they are hurt, arrested, or killed, and their neighborhoods are destroyed (through their own actions), they will cry - "The Big Bad Government is out to keep us down!"

    All this does is FORCE the government to use more strong arm tactics - like the water cannons that are about to come out.  Makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.  And really, how can you take anyone's concerns seriously and want to sit with them and discuss their issues when they are stealing tvs and expensive tennis shoes?

    Sheesh.

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    Like the people in the slums... (none / 0) (#129)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:14:33 AM EST
    of Tottenham and Birmingham and Croydon get an audience with their government to get their grievances addressed...don't be naive.  They don't have Gordon Brown on speed dial like Barclays and News Corp.

    And when they do get a rare audience, their grievances are given lip service and ignored.

    Never any responsibility for government and polcie with you jb...always all the individuals fault.  It takes two to escalate...protests often turn violent when the cops show up with their helmets, shields, water cannons, and billy clubs.

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    To compare (none / 0) (#130)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:41:43 PM EST
    the situation of numbers of rioting youth in the summer in London--individuals who, so far as we know, have not toiled in mills/mines/sweatshops for years nor do not appear to be living in famine-like conditions of Somalia or similar--does a horrible disservice to any miner and, most specifically, to the memory of my grandparents & other relatives who worked long hours in the PA coal mines. My maternal grandfather, in particular suffered the ravages of black lung disease for years before it was officially written on his death certificate in PA.

    Hey, rojas, take a looke at what miners everywhere endured (& in some places still endure) before conjuring up comparisons that do not do any justice.

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    Wrong targets (none / 0) (#81)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:01:44 PM EST
    There are legitimate reasons for anger... poverty, discrimination, no jobs, priced out of education and opportunity, austerity etc.

    I didn't read any statements that they were even attempting to stick it to the man.  These are people with no hope.  They seem more acts of desperation to me.

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    And, desperate people (none / 0) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:55:57 PM EST
    may do desperate things.

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    If the people who are burning down their portion (none / 0) (#100)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:10:01 PM EST
    of the city are needy, without food, without lodging, etc., it truly would raise the humanitarian/ethical question contained in the age-old saying that "desperate people do desperate things." In that case, the legal matter might justifiably be argued to be apart from a central humane matter.

    My question--and I do not ask it facetiously: Do we know the composition of those ostensibly involved in rioting, burning, looting? Are they desperate in the way of victims of the most oppressive societies/living arrangements? Are they activists who determined to act now, some with more or less patience? Or, are they patterning after anarchists for want of a plan? The reason I ask: It is one thing to fit a scene into our pre-written play of how it must or should be...and it may be that, but it may also be something much more harmful than we might wish to see.

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    From what we do know, it is (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:15:59 PM EST
    already much more harmful than what we want to see.  However, you ask a good question which is certainly not facetious--it is among those that need to be asked, answered and addressed.  And, at least addressed by the government in a way that shows they care and are trying.  Desperation exists, certainly in their minds, as manifest by their anger. It will not help to compare and contrast the plight and graces of others any more than it moves children by admonishing them to finish their food since other little children are starving in Africa.  We need, also, to remember that this is happening in another country, and another culture.  Unemployment is bad everywhere, but tolerance for high levels is less in Europe and has historically been a concern for civil unrest. Composition of the people may be important, but we did not look to closely at the no doubt divergent motivations and backgrounds of those of discontent in places like Libya, Egypt and Syria.

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    Tyler Durden is funny today (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:45:37 AM EST
    He has a post up about every country trying to deal with their debt by printing more money and devaluing their currency.  It can't work that way then :)  It is a race to the bottom.  He said that the U.S. is the best horse in the glue factory but we all know what happens to ALL the horses in the glue factory :)

    Warren Jeffs gets life plus twenty (none / 0) (#55)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:21:29 PM EST
    Says the Salt Lake paper.  Jury deliberated all of 40 minutes on sentencing.

    Have not followed (none / 0) (#63)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:23:05 PM EST
    this case closely, but if the allegations about the minors are true, he got off too lightly. I would give him the death penalty plus life +20...........served consecutively.

    p.s (I'm a lifelong opponent of the death penalty, but saying that got it off my chest)


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    Wow motha wow (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:22:43 PM EST
    The second no QE3 announced the stock market IMMEDIATELY starts going through the floor.

    The circuit breakers are off too (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:23:12 PM EST
    After 2pm no circuit breakers

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    The bulletin I just got from CBS (none / 0) (#67)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:25:48 PM EST
    Marketwatch was:
    Fed leaves rates unchanged; monetary policy to remain exceptionally loose through mid-2013

    Can someone define "loose" as it relates to monetary policy?

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    Other people who don't need it (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:39:56 PM EST
    get free money from the government.

    You don't.

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    I think in this statement (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:03:52 PM EST
    it means that future quantitative easing may be considered even though they aren't employing it yet.  And interest rates will remain very low.

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    Its amateur hour (none / 0) (#68)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:27:45 PM EST
    of course they'll do Q3, but its getting too politically hot to say it loudly & publicly. They're figuring out another way to do same thing and give it a new spiffy name.

    The years over half over, bonus time approaching. Ka-Ching Time.

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    Do you think they'll do it (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:05:11 PM EST
    before the DOW reaches 8,000?  I wouldn't have a clue, just didn't think they'd do it today.

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    Check it out (none / 0) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:44:22 PM EST
    It's enough to make ya a day trader :)

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    2 things to note (none / 0) (#79)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 01:58:15 PM EST
    History - Today is the anniversary of the founding of the Resolution Trust Corporation, whose work ended by statute at the end of 1995.

    Current - Today is voting on recall in Wisconsin.  

    Not to forget (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:56:11 PM EST
    Although there are likely to be positives out of the election returns tonight. There are two Dems on the ballot next week in the recall movement, so it will take 7 more days of work in Wisconsin.

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    A quick and hopefully intense read (none / 0) (#85)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:18:29 PM EST
    Dadler - did you (none / 0) (#96)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    write this?  Very moving.  But I'm curious what made you write that the 3-year old is laughing when the older brother is being beaten?  I don't know you, so I don't know if I'm treading on something too personal - if so, my apologies, and no need to respond.


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    Yes, I wrote it (none / 0) (#132)
    by Dadler on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 04:16:27 PM EST
    Semi-autobiographical.  The toddler sounds like he is laughing to the narrator, and I included it for reasons I don't think I can nail down simply.  If I could, I suppose I might not have written it.  Thanks for reading it, though, and for the comment.  Don't fret any treading, I put stuff out there to read sometimes, and I'm just looking for honest reactions from outside my usual circle of non-online readers.

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    I'm a psych grad student (none / 0) (#133)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 08:44:25 PM EST
    writing masters thesis on issue of family violence; your story is so poignant. I raised issue of 3-year old laughing because it does not sound plausible to my limited knowledge.  I have read a psych report of a woman who was physically abused as a child & who, as an adolescent, would laugh in the face of her step dad (I think) who beat her to throw it in his face that he did not get to her (she did protest too much - but had a lot of guts!).  I just do not think a three-year old has the cognitive sophistication to react in a way more complex than pure fear or upset (crying).  If you've had a different experience, my apologies.  Everything else about what you wrote rings true.  Too bad the 11-year old did not feel he could tell mom or go to the authorities - today, the latter would probably result in the removal of both boys from the home. To me, the inability of the 11-year old to kill the abusing adult reveals a child with a very strong sense of right and wrong, i.e., integrity, and one who felt alone in his knowledge of abuse and generally isolated.    


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    Interesting, (none / 0) (#135)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 05:00:21 AM EST
    I'll go with Dadler's explanation that it happened, and that he's somewhat conflicted by it, yet he won't redact it.

    What it says to me is that a child that young can behave in unpredictable, and inexplicable ways when witnessing, and being involved in such a trauma. Why do battered wives stay with their husbands? I don't know, maybe the child reacted in the only way he could to try and stop the horror, maybe by laughing the situation could be changed to something happy, instead of something horrible.

    I'm not too sure we can put adult, cognitive reasoning onto the head of a three year old engulfed in a traumatic event.

    It's a thought, anyway


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    Not even three yet (none / 0) (#137)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 12:32:44 PM EST
    You're right about the kind of absurdity.  And like I told Ohio, the laughter is really more a reaction to the chase, but in the context of that flash of activity, the narrator only talks about it while he's getting beaten, so I think it could read as a reaction to the violence, which might not seem logical to some readers.  But, again, these situations are not logical, and so much of my own memory of that kind of madness is tinged with all sorts of conflicting emotions and reactions.  As I age, as I watch my own son grow up in a loving and intact home, all I can do is ponder and write and cry sometimes.  Such is life.

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    and damn, i am conflicted (none / 0) (#139)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 12:41:25 PM EST
    i like it the way it is, but i don't really want it to be read the wrong way.  gosh i love writing.  ahem.

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    I think... (none / 0) (#136)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 12:28:57 PM EST
    ...the impulse to laughter comes from the chase around the room, before stepdad catches the narrator.  The way I wrote it isn't a clear as it needs to be, thanks for the note.

    And thanks for the rest of your comments, I appreciate your perspective as a professional.  All of my knowledge of the subject comes from personal experience and reading later in my life and, of course, the clear and opaque POV of memory.  

    Again, thank you for your take.  It is only helpful.

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    experience vs. memory (none / 0) (#138)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 12:37:27 PM EST
    interesting i separated them with "reading."  could just be rushed redundancy, but i wonder.  hmm.

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    Laughter from the c hase (none / 0) (#140)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 08:55:19 AM EST
    makes sense; raising your son in a loving environment is wonderful. By the way, not a professional yet, & even if I were, it does not supersede your experience in value.  Your writing is very powerful & moving -- keep it up!  

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    appreciate the thoughts (none / 0) (#141)
    by Dadler on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:07:56 PM EST
    thanks

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    A deep breath and a smile (none / 0) (#92)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 03:27:19 PM EST
    on Wall Street today as the stock market turns in a very good up day on the roller coaster.

    Is this news? (none / 0) (#94)
    by CST on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:12:45 PM EST
    John Kerry, Max Baucus, and Patty Murray are the senators on the Dem side for the "commission" or whatever it's called.  No word yet on the other 9 people.

    Well, none of those three are what I (none / 0) (#95)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:35:19 PM EST
    would call stalwart defenders of the social safety net. Oh, they might talk a good game, Murray and Kerry in particular ( we saw Baucus' true colors during the health insurance debacle), but they will all fold whenever Obama tells they to fold.

    My guess is that with the appointment of these three it doesn't really matter who Pelosi appoints. The six Republicans will only need one of these to gain the majority and pass whatever they want out of the Catfood II.

    I do expect great rending of garments and knashing of teeth as they put the final nail in the safety net coffin.

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    Isn't Kerry hoping to be (none / 0) (#98)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:53:06 PM EST
    the next SoS when Hilary steps down?

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    Missed your post (none / 0) (#99)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:55:14 PM EST
    Can't believe Baucus was chosen, ...

    ... or maybe I can.

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    Baucus, to be fair, actually came out (none / 0) (#104)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:35:00 PM EST
    and said he would vote against the original Cat Food Commission recommendations. Kerry may be more of a threat to the programs than Baucus.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#115)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:21:28 PM EST
    Hadn't heard Baucus's comment re: the Catfood Commission, but his history of voting makes me very nervous about his willingness to vote with the Republican block.

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    Sen. Baucus may be okay (none / 0) (#116)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:34:10 PM EST
    Actually, the 3 picks should be quite representative of the overall party. Question: If you had your druthers, yman, what names would you proffer?

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    Not sure why you say ... (none / 0) (#120)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:39:27 PM EST
    ... they should be "representative of the overall party".  There is no indication that Republicans will choose any moderates, and it only takes one Democrat on the committee to cross the aisle for their recommendations to get sent to the floor.

    I'm neutral on Kerry and like Murray, but I'd prefer Dick Durbin, Barbara Boxer, maybe Carl Levin.

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    Durbin declared that he was (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:58:17 PM EST
    a yes vote for the original Cat Food Commission recommendations which included cuts to the safety net programs. He was also a member of the Gang of six and they agreed on cuts to the safety net programs.  

    I wouldn't want Durbin anywhere near that committee. If he had been named, I would be 100% convinced that drastic cuts to the safety net programs would receive the necessary votes to pass out of the committee and receive a straight simple majority up or down vote.

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    They only need one Dem to cut safety net (none / 0) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:31:50 PM EST
    programs.

    Kerry and Murray signed a letter earlier this year essentially calling for a grand bargain based on the Bowles-Simpson recommendations. Kerry was on Meet the Press this week saying this:

    Senator Kerry also endorsed that goal. The United States must show the markets that it is "deadly serious about dealing with its long-term structural debt," he said, and the way to do that is by "putting a plan on the table, $4 trillion plus, if necessary." link

    We are so screwed......

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    No (none / 0) (#105)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:40:37 PM EST
    The Committee needs to pass a plan that then needs to pass both the House and the Senate and be signed by the president. If all four of these don't happen then the screwing method is mandatory and already determined.

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    Simple majority up or down vote (none / 0) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 07:13:36 PM EST
    The Republican on the committee will not agree to recommendations that will not pass the house or not approved by their Senate members. Their are at least 14 Democratic members in the Senate who will vote for the cuts to the programs. Obama is bound and determined to get his "Grand Bargain" which includes cuts to the safety net programs. He has already agreed to more drastic cuts to the safety net programs than were included in the Cat Food recommendations and the bipartisan Gang of 6 proposal.  

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    Reid reveals "Super Committee" picks (none / 0) (#97)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 05:52:51 PM EST
    OOPS!!! (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 07:12:59 PM EST
    You can't trust a woman.  My husband was just complaining about all the outside money that is in the WI race tonight.  I had to look at him a little sheepishly cuz ummmm....erm....it was months ago though

    The folks of WI (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 07:25:51 PM EST
    will benefit from the outside money that flows in, and if the Dems win 3 tonight expect the spigot to go wide open before next Tuesday.

    They are even thankful for that anonymous donation from AL made several months ago.

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    It wasn't much (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 07:54:35 PM EST
    I think someone put a diary up at DK about getting this recall idea going and they had a place to donate so I did.  It wasn't like he even noticed, and I had forgotten about it until he was complaining about the outside money mostly from the Koch perspective.  And then I vaguely remembered that I hoped to help the little fighters even that fight up just a bit.

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    Hopefully (none / 0) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:13:00 PM EST
    by around 11 tonight your time you'll know whether your small but artfully aimed punch got Koch in the groin.

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    Kirsten Gillibrand (none / 0) (#134)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 08:47:19 PM EST
    raised money for Wisconsin Dems

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    Results are rolling in (none / 0) (#117)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 08:54:02 PM EST
    Early votes are all going to the GOP across the board.

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    The chance of winning two (none / 0) (#118)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:17:24 PM EST
    look good...three is looking iffy.

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    Making gains (none / 0) (#119)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 09:33:25 PM EST
    The Dems have the lead (although very tight) right now in three of the six recall races. Results available:

    HERE

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    Two seats (none / 0) (#123)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:09:53 PM EST
    looking good. The third has Jessica King(D) leading by 130 votes with 87% reporting

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    Jessica King (none / 0) (#124)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:45:22 PM EST
    pulls away to a 1200 vote win. Two down one to go to get the three pickups that were actually in play.

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    Last one (none / 0) (#125)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:16:44 PM EST
    losing ground with 80% reporting. Sandra Pasch(D) trails by 3200 votes. A loss will leave the Wisconsin Senate and thus all of Wisconsin in GOP control.

    I'm sure towanda will have the blow by blow tomorrow.

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