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Who Can Put A SCOTUS Justice In A Box?

At TPM, Salil Kapur writes regarding the U.S. v. Windsor DOMA case:

Kennedy also wasn’t sympathetic to treating married gay couples differently under federal law, charting out a compromise that lets states define marriage and requires the federal government to accept their definition.

Perhaps conscious of Kennedy’s predicament, Roberts tried to build consensus against striking down DOMA on federalism grounds, knowing that neither side arguing the case was seeking that middle path. He repeatedly — and successfully — asked the government’s anti-DOMA lawyer to affirm that it does not believe the 1996 law violates states rights.

“So just to be clear, you don’t think there is a federalism problem with what Congress has done in DOMA?” Roberts asked U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli on Wednesday. “We — no, we don’t, Mr. Chief Justice,” Verrilli responded.

Lyle Denniston, a veteran Supreme Court analyst with the award-winning SCOTUSblog, described Roberts’ move as “a strategic effort to put Kennedy in a box.”

This is facile thinking in my view. What, pray tell, puts Justice Kennedy in a box? He is the deciding vote, even though he probably will not carry five votes for an opinion that decides solely on federalism grounds. (Unfortunately, I think it is too probable that a non-conservative Justice will join Justice Kennedy to give him cover if he asks for it. See Kagan and Breyer joining Chief Justice Roberts on his absurd reasoning on Medicaid expansion in the ACA case.)

ROBERTS, C. J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and III–C, in which GINSBURG, BREYER, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., joined; an opinion withrespect to Part IV, in which BREYER and KAGAN, JJ., joined; and an opinion with respect to Parts III–A, III–B, and III–D. GINSBURG, J., filed an opinion concurring in part, concurring in the judgment in part,and dissenting in part, in which SOTOMAYOR, J., joined, and in whichBREYER and KAGAN, JJ., joined as to Parts I, II, III, and IV. SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., filed a dissenting opinion. THOMAS, J., filed a dissenting opinion.

But there are no boxes for SCOTUS Justices. They can write alone if they wish. Indeed the unmistakable attack on the power of precedent is one of the least commented aspects of the Roberts Court. While rarely expressly overruling precedent, the Roberts Court is a champion at ignoring it.

Frankly, I think Roberts is giving Kennedy some of his own, after the raking he took for providing the 5th vote to uphold the mandate in ACA. Remember that while Roberts cast the deciding vote, his opinion (PDF), outside of his taxing power decision and (apparently the Medicaid expansion issue), did not carry a formal majority. The Chief Justice was in no box.

And neither is Kennedy. If he does not want to decide Windsor on equal protection grounds, he won't. He knows he carries the 5th vote either way. Just like the Chief Justice did in the ACA case.

Post script: This analysis also assumes that the Court will not reach the merits in the Prop. 8 case. I agree with that analysis, as I think the Court will decide that the petitioners lack standing.

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    If the Court bails (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:24:39 AM EST
    on the Equal Protection basis for marriage equality, then the federalism and standing arguments would at least prevent them from becoming the modern day authors of a Plessy v. Ferguson decision.

    Assuming Kennedy goes the federalism and standing route, the dissenting and concurring opionions will be interesting.  Will Roberts dissent arguing that there is no equal protection basis for marriage equality, knowing that history will judge him harsely?
     

    Am I the only one who still doesn't (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:42:58 AM EST
    understand how or why the decision over who can and can't have basic human rights should be left to the whims and political popularity in any given state at any given time?

    If I'm a US resident, there ought to be certain elemental rights that I have no matter where I live.

    I'm sorry, but it just makes no sense to me.

    To play devil;s advocate (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:43:42 AM EST
    then why can't you have multiple husbands?

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    Why not just ask me why I (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:01:04 AM EST
    shouldn't be allowed to marry my dog?  

    I think there's a difference between having an overarching right - the right to marry, the right to vote - and having regulations that provide structure and order with respect to those rights.  I have the right to vote, but I don't have the right to vote American Idol-style by voting multiple times for the same candidate.  I have the right to marry, but I don't have the right to be married to more than one person at a time.

    I know one can get deeply into the weeds on this issue, and when it comes to observing basic rights, it just feels to me like we are less united than we are balkanized.  I feel like we already have states that are havens for  xenophobic, homophobic, bible-thumping, misogynistic gun-lovers, and I have no idea why that's something we'd want to accept, much less encourage, or how it can be good from an economic or educational standpoint.

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    While I agree with your beliefs on the subject (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:57:43 AM EST
    Anne, as a pure matter of logical argument I believe you are putting the rabbit in the hat by the way you ask the question ... that the "right to marry" can presume an ungendered definition of "marry."  The other side does not agree with you on that, so your way of posing the problem is a non-starter; it already assumes the answer you prefer.

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    It's not a bad technique for (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:12:19 PM EST
    arguing to a judge though.

    (Legal Realism.)

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    Peter, I don't purport to have anything (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:32:08 PM EST
    resembling a sound, legal argument on this - it's just that I don't understand the mindset of denying rights to an entire class of people solely on the basis of their sexual orientation.  I feel the same way about the denial of rights based on gender, race and religion.

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    I was not commenting in any way (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:45:18 PM EST
    on whether you are advancing a sound legal argument, Anne.  This is a pure matter of logical argumentation, apart from any legalities.  Unless you and your adversary agree on what the word "marriage" means, you can't discuss whether denial of access to that institution is a fundamental fairness or human rights violation (moral argument, nonlegal) any more than you can discuss whether it is a Fourteenth Amendment equal protection violation (constitutional argument, legal).

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    As long as there are people who insist (none / 0) (#43)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:51:54 PM EST
    that the only definition of marriage that's acceptable is the religious one, I don't see the conversation being any more than a Mobius strip of head-banging proportions.

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    well, yes (none / 0) (#49)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:57:31 PM EST
    there's that

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    Sounds like... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:30:33 AM EST
    veiled polygamy-phobia to me;)

    Cue broken record...The answer here is to get the government the hell outta the marriage business al together...civil unions for everybody for matters related to joint property, medical decision-making, taxes, etc.  That way, even if two siblings wanna make a home to get the government perks of civil unions, thats ok too.  Civil unions need not have anything to do with sex or sexual preferences.

     

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    Why perks (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:35:46 AM EST
    to marriages or civil unions at all? Why not get government out of the relationship business entirely.

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    This (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:45:10 AM EST
    How would that work? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:15:33 PM EST
    So "marriage" becomes strictly a religious thing, then?  The state doesn't issue licenses, the tax code eliminates any and all provisions/benefits relating to marriage, the government - state and federal - gets out of the estate and inheritance tax business...?

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    the state would remove itself (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:18:11 PM EST
    from the institution in all respects.

    No tax breaks, no nothing.

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    will never happen, if only because of the gift tax (none / 0) (#66)
    by jpe on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:48:04 AM EST
    code.  if I buy a new car for my wife (not sure if that happens outside of commercials), it'd be a taxable gift w/o the marital deduction.

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    Uh Oh (none / 0) (#21)
    by vicndabx on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:58:42 PM EST
    is that a threat to job security I hear?

    :-)

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    Why would that threaten my (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:14:03 PM EST
    job security?  If marriage confers no benefits, there's MORE work for people like me, not less.

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    Cryptic. (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:21:46 PM EST
    Works for me...n/t (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:51:34 AM EST
     

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    Indeed. Government was never ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:57:51 PM EST
    ... directly in the business of giving official sanction to personal relationships until the early mid-part of the 19th century. The earliest records of government-issued marriage licenses date back to c. 1830s.

    Prior to that time, the only records of marriages were kept by churches and synagogues. The royal commonwealth of Massachusetts Bay (present day Massachusetts and Maine) was the only jurisdiction during colonial times which espressly required couples living together to be married. But commonwealth officials left the actual responsibility for enforcement of its statutes up to the churches, which could and did haul miscreant couples into court to face the Crown's judgment for "living in sin."

    (Oh, those wacky Puritans -- what a bunch of wild and crazy guys they must've been to hang around with, huh?)

    I first researched this issue back in early 1998 when I was still working for the late Congresswoman Patsy Mink (I returned to work in the state legislature later that year), when Hawaii of in the midst of a very dubious process to become the very first state to prohibit same-sex marriage by enactment of a state constitutional amendment. Needless to say, we were arguing in vain for the then-losing side. The marriage amendment was approved with 70% of the vote.

    Those were terribly ugly and discouraging times back in '98, given that we were simultaneously girding our loins for an inevitable impeachment proceeding against President Clinton. It's like we were being beseiged by a shrill tribe of culture warriors who, as we saw and heard daily on the then-fledgling Fox News, were wearing underwear that was at least two sizes too small.

    It's really amazing to consider the nearly-180-degree change in public attitudes the last 15 years has wrought. I remember Congresswoman Mink telling a former Democratic state legislator -- who I always thought was a moral coward -- during our party's 1998 state convention that there would come the day when he and others would rue both their votes and their parts in the enshrinement of discrimination into our state constitution.

    I thinks it's a damned shame that she didn't live to see her views vindicated by subsequent events.

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    Oh don't worry Donald (none / 0) (#39)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:39:45 PM EST
    Now we are so much more 'enlightened' that our empowered government thinks it should be in the business of telling parents when or if they can send birthday cards to their own children.

    From one extreme to another...

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    Okay, I'll bite (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:24:34 PM EST
    Now we are so much more 'enlightened' that our empowered government thinks it should be in the business of telling parents when or if they can send birthday cards to their own children.

    I know that whatever you're talking about, your statement above is a misrepresentation from some winger website, but what is it?

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    Why can't you marry your dig? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:41:52 AM EST
    Again playing devil;s advocate.

    I have an answer for my question, but I prefer to play Socrates here.

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    curious (none / 0) (#19)
    by bocajeff on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:32:40 PM EST
    to hear your response to the question. If any adults want to get married, why stop them?

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    Because your dog (none / 0) (#20)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:55:33 PM EST
    cannot give, let us say, "informed consent."
    But, personally, I agree that the state should get out of this business entirely.  No tax breaks, etc.  I think that society has a certain interest in providing for the care of children if the parents split and disagree, but I think that could be taken care of legally in other ways.  As could inheritance laws, rights to visitation in the hospital, and so on.
    If people want to get "married" for religious or social purposes, they can go to their choice of church, synagogue, temple, clearing in the woods, I really don't care.  
    But this ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes, BTD.


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    Maybe we need... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:11:18 PM EST
    an "unmarried equality" movement to bring this logical solution to fruition.  

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    Kdog, all I can say (none / 0) (#25)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:27:16 PM EST
    is what I said above.  It ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes.
    Too bad, but this is reality.

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    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:34:10 PM EST
    but if the religous right was smart they'd get behind it...but me thinks they like the government perks more than protecting the "sanctity" of marriage.

    If the government is out of the marriage business, the government can no longer threaten it's "sanctity"...no?

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    Indeed. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:41:25 PM EST
    But many, if not most of them, are also "true believers," and want the government to impose and enforce their religious beliefs on everyone, Christian or not.
    Christian Sharia law, in other words.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:31:54 PM EST
    They are firmly against Sharia law, unless, of course, it is Christian Sharia law. Then they are firmly behind it and want to make it the law of the land.

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    12 years ago all states were in (none / 0) (#15)
    by me only on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:40:27 PM EST
    agreement.  A woman had the right to marry one man.  A man had the right to marry one woman.  (The one man, one woman approach!).  The blame for the balkanization is not on the group that still agrees with this approach.

    Gun-lovers?  Really.  Can't be a right to defending oneself, huh?

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    This is interesting: (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:52:46 AM EST

    After issuing the Manifesto in 1890 and what has been termed the "second" Manifesto in 1904, the LDS Church officially stopped the practice of polygamy. The controversy should have ended at that point, but it didn't. When Utah became a state in 1896, Congress required Utah to permanently ban polygamy in its Constitution before it would grant the territory statehood. In 1899, after Mormon Church leader Brigham H. Roberts was elected to Congress as the Representative from the State of Utah, the House of Representatives refused to seat him because he still practiced and believed in polygamy.

    Mormon Apostle Reed Smoot won the Utah Senatorial race in 1903. The Senate Committee on Privileges and Elections immediately initiated a trial to prohibit his seating--even though he was not a polygamist. The debate lasted four years. The Committee received 3,482 vitriolic petitions denouncing Mr. Smoot, polygamy, and the Mormon Church. It voted 7 to 5 to prohibit seating, but was overridden by the Senate with a vote of 42 to 28.

    www.polygamhy



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    The LDS Church only suspended (none / 0) (#16)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:49:13 PM EST
    the earthly practice of polygamy.  The Church still believes in polygamy in the afterlife.  This has practical consequences of how women are viewed in this life.

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    Polygamy will be next (none / 0) (#17)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:53:21 PM EST
    The LDS Church every so often mulls a challenge to the Reynolds case.

    If they lose on gay marriage, and the LDS Church was the force that put Prop 8 over finish line, I would not be surprised to see them attempt to legalize polygamy.  

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    And? (none / 0) (#27)
    by bocajeff on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:51:32 PM EST
    Why should it be illegal?

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    Good question, given the ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:02:15 PM EST
    ... obvious direction we're presently headed.

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    It should not... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:07:13 PM EST
    legally speaking there should be no question, it's a no-brainer...it is the human "ick" factor that gets it so twisted.

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    polygamy (none / 0) (#32)
    by sj on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:12:46 PM EST
    While I have a visceral rejection to polygamy I don't have an intellectual one, I guess.  Provided, of course, that all spouses are consenting, of legal age to consent, and equal members of the household when it comes to decision-making of any sort.  Throw in victimization or lack of choice in any way and then I definitely have a major objection.  At all levels.

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    BTW is anyone else (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:15:54 PM EST
    getting the "[new]" comment designation only intermittently for new comments?  Is it something to do with time or time zones?  My own comment didn't have the designation after posting.

    It started happening yesterday.

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    I am intermittently not getting (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:25:50 PM EST
    the "new comment" designation on my iPad, although I used to, but I am still getting it on my desktop (Mozilla Firefox is the browser I use on the desktop).
    I have no idea why this is happening.

    Parent
    I just posted a comment and didn't (none / 0) (#44)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:53:11 PM EST
    get the [new] designation - and that's been happening more lately.

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    make sure you're logged in (none / 0) (#67)
    by DFLer on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:06:29 PM EST
    Actually (none / 0) (#68)
    by sj on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:22:16 PM EST
    you can't post a comment unless you are logged in, so we know that isn't the problem.  Although it is something that I kept checking when the problem first showed up.  It's still happening sometimes which is really irksome.  

    Parent
    It's happening to me, too. I'm using Safari (none / 0) (#50)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:11:56 PM EST
    on a Macbook Pro. And it started yesterday.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:14:36 PM EST
    I am using Safari on my iPad, too.
    And it also started yesterday for me.
    Personally, I think that our soon-to-be computer Overlords are starting to flex their muscles.     ;-)

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    Just happened to me (none / 0) (#53)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:26:26 PM EST
    Started happening today (I think) - using Firefox on a desktop PC.

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    Ditto (none / 0) (#54)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:35:55 PM EST
    IE on laptop

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    There are legitimate rational arguments (none / 0) (#37)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:35:58 PM EST
    Against polygamy and polyandry:
    They rob some number of men/women of spouses -well, unless they are 'open' marriages- and thus act to destabilize a society. Take a look at my polygamous societies - run by 'Big Men', and typically not examples of freedom.
    Of course there are other issues as they are currently practiced (mostly by offshoots of the Mormon church in the US) as well, including a bunch of teenage boys 'cast out', presumably because they'd be sexual competition for older men.

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    Your scenarios (none / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:47:00 PM EST
    do not abide by my caveat regarding "consent" and "non-victimization."

    Speaking for myself, I find it difficult to envision polygamy/polyandry that doesn't victimize in some way, hence my visceral rejection.  

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    They are not scenerios (none / 0) (#46)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:32:38 PM EST
    They are current realities.
    Currently, how multiple marriages are handled at a societal level (in the countries in which they are legal and in the few illegal cases in this country that I am aware of) is very destabilizing. Mostly due to sexual jealousy and sexual competition.
    I think if carefully done limited examples of this could be legalized. Like you, I'm very chary of making a free for all involving these types of marriages.

    Anyway, you asked for rational arguments against these type of marriages. I think the observable fact that they don't seem to work very well at societal levels is one such.

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    Current realities (none / 0) (#48)
    by sj on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:49:09 PM EST
    are not inconsistent with scenarios, but we're both quibbling.  Overall, I think, we are in agreement.  

    How disconcerting :)

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    Visceral Objection (none / 0) (#47)
    by bocajeff on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:36:39 PM EST
    isn't a good enough reason. What you find repulsive might be attractive to others. Informed consent? You could say that about all relationships. What's good for society isn't really much of an issue since we haven't had polygamy in the US.

    Really, what is the legal reasoning behind polygamy being illegal? It's definitely not about freedom.

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    The argument is that polygamy (none / 0) (#55)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:37:25 PM EST
    (the multiple wives version) is inherently abusive towards women.

    Reynolds was a product of the Nineteenth Century and probably would not stand today.  The question is whether the LDS Church or anyone else will challenge it.

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    Try reading Reynolds (and other 19th C) (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:29:04 PM EST
    Supreme Court cases about the Mormons. It's just shocking, the level of religious bigotry that was built into the judicial "reasoning" in those cases.  And then, as precedent, those cases screwed up constitutional law under the First Amendment Free Exercise Clause for all time.

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    Inherently, maybe (none / 0) (#61)
    by bocajeff on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:20:36 PM EST
    Maybe inherently, but not necessarily. There are people who are living in this country in polygamous and polyamorous relationships already. That's not going to stop. So why not go after the abuse and not the institution? Let's not forget the amount of people in two person marriages and relationship that are being abused.

    Just because a person hits their partner shouldn't mean that I can't have one, no?

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    I agree with Peter G. (none / 0) (#63)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:47:04 PM EST
    Best TalkLeft comment (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Peter G on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:26:52 PM EST
    of all time. ;)

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    good question. (none / 0) (#58)
    by cpinva on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:14:09 PM EST
    then why can't you have multiple husbands?

    the primary interest of the state in marriage is property rights and transference. as the laws currently stand, the state assumes only two parties to the basic contract. none of this has stopped lawsuits over inheritences, but it does provide a basic framework from which to start. in order to accomodate more than two parties to the marital contract (civil), it would simply require amending all those laws, changing the wording from husband-wife, to spouse(s).

    there's certainly little in the western tradition prohibiting a multiple spouse arrangement, go to the old testament, and it was a fairly common, accepted situation, for those able to afford it. the only abrahamic religion that has consistently opposed the concept is roman catholicism, both judaism and islam have, at least from the beginning, been ok with it.

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    You SHOULD be allowed to (none / 0) (#60)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    There is no rational basis for denying consenting adults the right to do anything that does not harm another non-consenting person. That, IMO, seems quite self-evident. And the answer holds for any question in that form, in which consenting adults can engage in conduct that realistically effects no one but themselves.  If ten adults want to shove fire extinguishers up their asses, what does it matter to anyone else, and what possible LEGAL basis could there be but simple, almost entirely puritanically based, prejudice against their conduct?

    The answer: none.

    (NOTE: No fire extinguishers were harmed during the composition of this message.)

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    Boris Bittker famously (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:29:37 PM EST
    said, why a federal income tax exemption for children?  Why not for your wine collection?

    .credentials

    Why not, indeed? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:04:15 PM EST
    We had a neighbor in Pasadena who likely valued his wine collection over the well-being of his own children. They found him dead, appropriately enough, a couple of years ago in his wine cellar.

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    If that exemption gets repealed... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:22:36 PM EST
    Monty Python (none / 0) (#38)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:37:17 PM EST
    Always awesome.

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    Thank you for mentioning Boris Bittker (none / 0) (#57)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:32:58 PM EST
    my old tax prof! What a great guy, and a great teacher.

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    After taking his corporate tax course (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:02:40 AM EST
    one summer I concluded not to aim for a career as a tax lawyer.

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    i think you might be on to something here, BTD. (none / 0) (#59)
    by cpinva on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:18:37 PM EST
    "New, from RONCO, SCOTUS Justice in a Box! Just Turn the Handle, Right or Left, and it'll pop right out!"

    you might want to get that copyrighted.

    These Supreme Court justices (none / 0) (#62)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:54:44 PM EST
    already come in a box (for subscribers to "The Green Bag" only).

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    Facile (none / 0) (#64)
    by bmaz on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 12:13:17 AM EST
    Is an excellent description for Kapur's piece at TPM. Frankly I think the entire thing is rubbish.

    "...the conservative justices who appeared to support upholding Prop 8 and DOMA."

    This is just nimrod level legal analysis. And Kapur has no clue on standing, he is just quoting Lyle Denniston. I am far more worried about standing than I was going in to O/As, but still not convinced there was anything definitive made out there. And Kapur has no clue.

    cui bono (none / 0) (#70)
    by goilwell on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:33:02 PM EST

    Does A.P. generally reflect the interests of business - or consumers?  Business likes cheap labor, high prices.  Consumers prefer higher wages,
    low prices.

    The property class wins every time.

    cui bono (none / 0) (#71)
    by goilwell on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:33:02 PM EST

    Does A.P. generally reflect the interests of business - or consumers?  Business likes cheap labor, high prices.  Consumers prefer higher wages,
    low prices.

    The property class wins every time.