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Obama to Congress: Close Guantanamo

President Obama gave a news conference today at which he renewed a request to close Guantanamo:

"I continue to believe we have to close Guantanamo. I think it is critical for us to understand that Guantanamo is not necessary to keep America safe.

"It is expensive. It is inefficient. It hurts us in terms of our international standing. It lessens cooperation with our allies on counterterrorism efforts. It is a recruiting tool for extremists...."It needs to be closed," he said.

More than 100 of the 168 detainees are now on a hunger strike.[More...]

It's only a matter of time before detainees begin dying.

BBC: Inside Guantanamo's Hunger Strike

Yesterday, additional medics were shipped in. More than 20 are being force-fed.

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    It's a disgrace, it's a putrid stain (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:54:21 AM EST
    We run a gulag on a pilfered piece of an island that lives under a dictatorship, we should be more than ashamed of ourselves.

    Good for Obama, obviously, but I wish he'd talk like he's willing to go to the mat for it, be willing to lose his job over closing it by force of his powers as CIC, or it won't mean very much. He'll send an anonymous drone to kill who the hell knows who on the other side of the globe, but he won't challenge congress to stop him from ordering Gitmo's closure. It's a POW camp, he's CIC. Play it out and let the right have to defend keeping our gulag on an island nation already living under tyranny. It's like renting Siberia prison camp space from the Soviets. Except, you know, the rent is replaced with weird military occupation. Get creative, imaginative.

    Oh wait, those don't exist in American politics.

    My bad.

    Vowing to renew a push to close, and (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 11:59:10 AM EST
    then throwing it out to Congress to "help" him formulate a plan, is signature Obama: strong words wrapped around a passive core.

    "I promise I'm going to renew my efforts" is not the same as "here's my plan - let's get this done."

    How many of the current detainee population are being held in spite of their having been found to have been taken into custody erroneously?  

    How many of them are there only because we refuse to send them back to their home countries?  

    Does he really intend that all of the detainees must be tried in US courts - even those they know shouldn't have been there in the first place - before they have any hope of being repatriated?  

    What if a detainee they know to be innocent ends up being convicted?  

    How is it okay to repatriate detainees after a civilian acquittal, but not now?

    This latest from Obama sounds great - no surprise there, he always sounds great - as long as you don't think too long about what he's saying; once you give it more than a passing glance, there's a lot more "huh?" than "Hurray."

    Guantanamo (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by kmblue on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 12:24:13 PM EST
    is a stain on America's honor.  We are torturing these prisoners--there's no way around it. Obama can't close it fast enough, but he's doing his usual world waffling.

    MArcy Wheeler weighs in: (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 01:10:42 PM EST
    Now, Obama does need Congress' help to close Gitmo. He needs Congress' help (though didn't, when Eric Holder initially decided to try the 9/11 plotters in NY) to try the actual terrorists in civilian courts, to get them in Florence SuperMax in cells down the hall from Faisal Shahzad and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, whom he cites.

    But most of the detainees at Gitmo won't ever be tried in civilian courts, either because they were tortured so badly they couldn't be tried without also admitting we tortured them (and, presumably, try the torturers), or because we don't have a case against them.

    Trying detainees who don't pose a threat in civilian courts won't solve the problem as they're not guilty of any crime.

    Moreover, Obama dodges what his Administration has done himself to keep detainees in Gitmo, notably the moratorium on transferring detainees to Yemen and the appeals of Latif and Uthman's habeas cases so as to have the legal right to keep people based solely on associations and obviously faulty intelligence documents.

    Obama doesn't mention that part of Gitmo's legacy. Obama says 10 years have elapsed and we should be able to move beyond the fear keeping men at Gitmo.

    3 years have elapsed since he issued the moratorium on Yemeni transfers; 19 months have elapsed since he killed Anwar al-Awlaki, purportedly (though not really) the big threat in Yemen. It's time to move on in Yemen, as well as generally.

    Link

    The real story is in what isn't said, as much as in what is.

    sorry Donald (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kmblue on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 01:39:35 PM EST
    I haven't seen Obama go to the mat for much of anything. Plus, he's put Social Security and Medicare "on the table."

    He just wanted to make some noise about that stinking prison.

    If he really "Wanted" to close it, like (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by scribe on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 03:13:44 PM EST
    he's said since Jan. 20, 2009 or even before, he had ample opportunity to do it when he had a majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate, and he's always had a silver tongue for selling whatever it is he "Wants".

    I guess he really didn't "want" to.

    And I can't take him any more seriously this time, than I did the last.

    Actually he tried (none / 0) (#16)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:45:50 AM EST
    He signed an executive order to do so in January of 2009, the problem is that supposed majority you claim was there didn't exist- instead a veto proof supermajority include hypocritical cowards like Russ Feingold voted 90+ to basically 0 to prevent executive action towards closing gitmo.

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    96-0 (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:59:47 PM EST
    to be exact.

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    What Obama could do ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Yman on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:16:21 AM EST
    ACLU points out (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Slado on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 04:59:53 PM EST
    he could transfer 1/2 of the detainees today if he wanted (from Jeralyn's link).

    He doesn't want to.  He wants to change the subject from the awful start he's had to his second term.

    Anyone else tired of him yet?

    What do YOU think? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by sj on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:26:14 PM EST
    You've been here long enough.

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    Think we all are (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 10:14:23 PM EST
    If for different reasons.

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    Did we remodel Gitmo to increase the FMV? (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:15:55 PM EST


    There's something about (none / 0) (#7)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:45:21 PM EST
    the non sequitur style of your comments that reminds me of the F Minus comic strip of Tony Carillo...

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    I intend to treat this as a compliment. (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 02:49:09 PM EST
    Saw a Few Good Men on (none / 0) (#12)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 07:50:08 PM EST
    Cable the other day.  Great classic courtroom drama, crowd pleaser.  

    Gitmo and Jack Nicolson....

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    Jack Nicolson.... (none / 0) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:55:39 PM EST
    "You WANT me on that wall....snarl, growl, grumph!

    You NEED me on that wall....spit flying, veins popping, eyes bulging....

    Now THAT'S a real man....oomph, belch, aaah.

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    What I want to know is (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Fri May 03, 2013 at 02:54:52 PM EST
    why was Cuba never allowed to have a military base on the coast of Florida?

    Did Meyer Lansky and Santos Trafficante refuse to give the go ahead?