Just because you have a concealed gun doesn't mean you are going to control the course of events.

If GZ was a crazed bezerking racist lunatic...my odds would be a lot different.  But there is no indication he is any of the above.

...and this stranger outweighs you by 50+ pounds

"It doesn't make sense that a man whose head was allegedly being beaten into the ground"

Correct!  It doesn't make sense the person being beat up is yelling for help.  Right.....

And "Allegedly"....You did see the pictures right? Or what conspiracy theory do you have?  Were the injuries self inflicted.

"And whose nose and mouth were allegedly covered by Trayvon's hands, would be able to scream so consistently. Certainly, he couldn't say when all that was occurring during the 02/9/12 interview with Serino and Singleton. "

...The scientific methodologies and techniques used by Mr. Owen and Dr. Reich are not reliable as they are not sufficiently established and not generally accepted in the scientific community....

...the State's witnesses to the samples from the 911 call in this case is a scientific technique that is new and novel. There is no competent evidence that the scientific techniques used by Mr. Owen and Dr. Reich are generally accepted in the scientific field. There is no evidence to establish that their scientific techniques have been tested and found reliable.

Many neighborhood watchmen have done exactly what George did and more, but as a result have successfully prevented theft and violent crime.  By keeping an eye on suspicious characters--which is no more than what George says he did--they have protected innocent victims.  

Zimmerman did not confront and he did not approach (according to his account and no evidence to the contrary has emerged to my knowledge), he maneuvered to watch which way the suspect was running.  What else does Neighborhood Watch entail if it does not involve watching suspicious characters?

But, yes, sometimes suspicious characters are actually innocent and probably infuriated by the proverbial "hairy eyeball" -- prolonged attention and suspicious gaze of another person.

So do I - "defense mindset" - that's my main point - TL strikes me as an interesting site that delights in trying to strategize along with the defense in any given trial. It's interesting - that's why I'm here. My initial questions were whether TL has ever sided against the defense and what if any scenario would result in that.

>He didn't engage in police activity.  You aren't catching the nuances of that.

I guess I'm not. Driving around with a loaded semi-automatic gun looking for suspicious-looking characters (i.e. African-Americans) and getting out of your car to pursue one when you see one is police activity to my un-nuanced way of looking at it, and I strongly believe that it should be a felony to engage is this type of pro-active behavior without stringent training in how to do so responsibly - i.e., without being a police officer. I get that it's not a felony and that GZ was within his rights to play cop that night but I have no sympathy for the situation that activity got him into. It should be illegal for the precise reason that its legality leads to deaths and murder trials.

>points 2 & 3

You're right when you say "you don't know" - I only know what I've heard reported and it's not what you're saying

Here's my theory of the defense:

Knock Knock - Who's There?
A dead black kid - A dead black kid who?
A dead black kid - Who cares?

I know many of you are convinced that GZ did not profile TM - Thus far, I'm convinced that he did - but can we agree that profiling - even if it produces some statistical success - is unfair to the innocent and often deadly to the innocent when semi-automatic weapons are involved?

There are two 800 lb. gorillas in this room that no one is mentioning:

1. There is a statistical truth that enough crimes are committed by African Americans to make people like Zimmerman paranoid and angry, creating an underlying sympathy among some here.

2. There is a lot of crime is poor neighborhoods because we live in a country that has a huge and rapidly increasing gap between rich and poor in terms of earning potential and upward mobility.
   

1. hitting or punching someone without resultant obvious swelling of the hands, which I am sure must occur for some people, or those who practice karate and other MA or MMA would have a lot more difficulty . . .
   
2. a person screaming in pain, and their screaming stopping when the blows stop;

His injuries were not minor and could not have come from rolling around the grass, and to posit that they were is to disregard the known evidence in the case. Whether they were serious enough for a jury to decide his belief he was in danger of imminent serious bodily harm will be determined by the jury. But Di Maio, according to Don West, will testify they were and it's not a close call. He will testify the injuries are consistent with his head being banged against concrete.