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Added by TL: See comment by BTD below, all of his open threads exclude discussion of the Zimmerman case.)

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    Jay Carney (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:16:03 AM EST
    A Yahoo News analysis of the 444 briefings through June 18 that Carney has held since becoming White House press secretary has identified 13 distinct strains in the way he dodges reporters' question. Since Carney held his first daily briefing with reporters in the White House Brady Press Briefing Room on Feb. 16, 2011, for example, he's used some variation of "I don't have the answer" more than 1,900 times. In 1,383 cases he referred a question to someone else. But will he at least speculate on hypotheticals? No. In fact, he has refused to do so 525 times.

    Use this link and follow the interactive menu.

    Would be interested in knowing (none / 0) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:19:26 AM EST
    how many times he used those tactics when discussing whether or not the Obama administration has been transparent. :)

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    That (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:20:56 AM EST
    is a PhD. thesis in the making.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 90 (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:35:31 AM EST
    In the category of (none / 0) (#207)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 11:03:17 AM EST
    TMI, term used for overly immersed gamer, poop socking. As in who needs a diaper when everybody has two socks.

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    Getting testy about testing. (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 01:18:15 PM EST
    A "viewpoint" article appearing in the J. American Medical Association (July 29) has received attention in the quest for less is more in health care, and health care economics.

    Dr. Esserman and her colleagues address "overdiagnosis" --detection of  a tumor that if undetected would not become clinically apparent or cause death (especially if something else gets you first),  but is harmful (and costly) if "overtreated."  (e.g., breast, lung, prostate, and thyroid).

    The goal, of course, is to preferentially detect consequential cancer and avoid detection of inconsequential disease.  Toward that end, it is proposed that screening should focus on tumors that will cause harm and are more likely to benefit from early discovery.  

    Moreover, it is suggested that some conditions be renamed to exclude the word cancer so that patients might be less frightened and less apt to press for more tests and treatments.  

    The idea may be a little premature--awaiting better ways to identify and confirm what is worrisome and what is not.  Predictions of which lesions will progress (too many) versus those less likely to do so (e.g. older patients) are far from precise.

    There is also the worry that a "cure" for some cancers is as close as the Thesarus will result in insurers/ACA declining to pay for additional tests and treatments that are lifesaving.  

    IMO downplaying thyroid tumors is pretty (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 01:46:23 PM EST
    Dangerous, I have not had thyroid cancer but I have hashimotos now.  There are different types of thyroid cancer, some are aggressive and some aren't.

    Thyroid problems are already horribly under diagnosed and under treated and untreated hypothyroidism degrades your cardiovascular system big time and some of the top endos say that untreated autoimmune thyroiditis leads to other a cascade of other autoimmune disorders beginning to attack.  I had symptoms for about ten years but it was regular exercise that exposed it.  My thyroid did not hurt until I was put on replacement, then it ached horrible while healing.  I couldn't get out of bed though the day after my workout and my adrenals were on fire.

    Doctors, particularly Army doctors say the dumbest things though when it comes to treating hypothyroidism.  When you tell them that you think they need to increase your thyroid replacement because when you exercise your adrenals are still on fire 24 hrs later they remind you that you do have a thyroid issue so what do you expect?  So then you ask them if what they are telling you is to not exercise?  Well no, err.  So then I ask them that if maybe they all shouldn't start shooting for all these hypothyroid women having everything their body needs to do the same aggressive exercise that keeps everyone else healthy and avoiding all these other health complications?  Horrible quacks

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    From the Department of No Sh!t, Sherlock, (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 01:30:41 PM EST
    in the NYT:

       The United States intercepted electronic communications this week among senior operatives of Al Qaeda, in which the terrorists discussed attacks against American interests in the Middle East and North Africa, American officials said Friday...

        Some analysts and Congressional officials suggested Friday that emphasizing a terrorist threat now was a good way to divert attention from the uproar over the N.S.A.'s data-collection programs, and that if it showed the intercepts had uncovered a possible plot, even better.

    Golly, wish we'd thought of that...

    Isn't it a no win situation (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:00:10 PM EST
    If nothing happens it was a bluff. If something happens the system sucks.

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    Ha....yeah (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:12:53 PM EST
    But who trusts Hayden or Alexander or Clapper?  They have been exposed to be such flagrant liars and paranoid fanatical hoarders who knows what they will do to get their hoard on?

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    Sure, but my point had more to (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:21:06 PM EST
    do with their admission that it was making a nice diversion from the NSA debacle.

    It's just one more thing that makes it hard to trust much of anything they say.  And if there really is the kind of chatter that bodes ill, it kind of annoys me that it would be so openly used as a bright, shiny object.

    And I'm beyond annoyed at being treated as if I'm so stupid they can speak openly about what they're doing and I either won't understand it, or won't care.  

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    And What No One is Mentioning... (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:49:00 PM EST
    ...and the part that really gets under my skin, is that because of their history of lying, we don't know if this is BS or a real threat.

    I mean F, we can't believe our government about threats to our safety because they are lying about their spying on us.


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    Now, now, Anne, (none / 0) (#70)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:35:45 PM EST
    people need diversion from the diversion from the NSA debacle too, you know.

    Having enough diversions to keep everyone hip deep in them is the ultimate in centrism, or something...

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    Seems like it's a little more (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:47:26 PM EST
    than a bluff (or they're going a LONG way to divert attention from the NSA scandal:

    The Department of Defense has sent military personnel into Yemen to assist with evacuating all non-essential American workers from its embassy, and assisting with security operations.

    The evacuation follows an announcement last week that the U.S. would shutter embassies throughout the Muslim world for fear of an attack from al-Qaida or one of its affiliates. It now appears the source of this threat emanated from messages U.S. intelligence intercepted from Ayman al-Zawahri, considered the successor to Osama bin Laden and the leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.

    Yemeni security officials say the U.S. was responsible for a drone strike on Tuesday that successfully targeted a car full of four suspected al-Qaida operatives.

    "In response to a request from the U.S. State Department, early this morning the U.S. Air Force transported personnel out of Sana'a, Yemen as part of a reduction in emergency personnel," said Pentagon spokesman George Little in a statement Tuesday morning. "The U.S. Department of Defense continues to have personnel on the ground in Yemen to support the U.S. State Department and monitor the security situation."

    The State Department issued a Worldwide Travel Warning last week, and supplemented it Tuesday morning with a specific travel warning for Yemen.



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    The bluff, it seems to me (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:58:15 PM EST
    is connecting it to NSA surveillance of US based communications.

    That seems a complete bluff to me.

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    Or maybe just a little okey-doking... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:17:28 PM EST
    Marcy had this to say:

    Now, as a threshold level, the news that the US has collections of whatever presumably well-protected communication channel exist(ed) between Zawahiri and Wuhayshi sure seems to undermine government claims that Edward Snowden has ruined their collections, given that two of our very sharpest targets are still using communications accessible to US targeting.

    Consider one more thing. If our collections are that good that we have a bead on either Zawahiri or Wuhayshi, why don't we have their location?

    We've launched 4 drone strikes in 10 days in Yemen. If we did have means of intercepting Wuhayshi's communications and are clearly on a drone strike binge, then what does it mean that sources -- including at least one Yemeni official -- are leaking news that we have those intercepts?

    Update: And here's Michael Hayden, who for weeks has been arguing that Edward Snowden should be made an example of, suggesting this alert is good because it lets the bad guys know we're onto them.

       "The announcement itself may also be designed to interrupt Al Qaeda planning, to put them off stride," Michael V. Hayden, a former C.I.A. director, said on "Fox News Sunday." "To put them on the back foot, to let them know that we're alert and that we're on at least to a portion of this plotline."

    Our problem is, we think too much.  If we'd just take everything at face value, believe the little bits we hear from the newsreaders, not pay too much attention to the conflicting information we get, we'd all be a lot happier, don't you think?

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    I'm always skeptical (none / 0) (#71)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:36:44 PM EST
    Skeptical... or cynical? (none / 0) (#104)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:08:33 PM EST
    Which is it? They have different ramifications, individually and collectively.

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    Towanda? (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:22:36 PM EST
    That may be true (none / 0) (#60)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:03:47 PM EST
    But it seems that there are credible threats. And while I'm certainly not defending them listening to US based communications, I can't think they would undertake something this large just to keep up a diversion.

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    Again (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:13:56 PM EST
    the threat may be real, or supported by real intelligence.

    It is ridiculous, imo, to connect that to the NSA programs in controversy given the foreign locations of the Al Queda leadership named as the basis of the claimed threats.

    That's my point.

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    I assume that the Al Qaeda (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:39:29 PM EST
    leaders were on vacation in Southern California at the time....

    Maybe they called the confided the whole plan to their girlfriends in New Jersey.

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    Armando's point is spot on (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by bmaz on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:49:04 PM EST
    And, whether or not the threat is/was "credible", we have no way of really knowing that, and "evacuating" certain personnel from the embassy doesn't necessarily mean anything more than they felt a group of dip covered CIA assets were compromised. It might be more, might not be. But it does not "confirm" anything necessarily.

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    Well the UK (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:04:02 PM EST
    evacuated ALL its staff, so I'm going to think they are more than " a group of dip covered CIA assets" that were compromised.

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    Well, the Brits (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by bmaz on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:04:45 PM EST
    Have their own issues with pissed off citizens and members of Parliament over the ridiculously invasive surveillance have a history of acting in lockstep with the DC hive mind. So the fact they are putting on a dog and pony show too is of little moment.

    By the way, here is the supposed event all this security theater is premised on. It is straight out of Legion of Doom. Or the 99th crappy sequel of Austin Powers.

    Oooh, now, as I type this, the TV is reporting that US and Yemeni "authorities" and "sources" state the whole threat is about a plot to blow up oil/gas pipelines. No word on whether any of them run through the US and UK embassies.

    Security theater is the new summer blockbuster!

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    Your link (none / 0) (#179)
    by sj on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:20:54 PM EST
    ... has something weird going on with apostrophes.  Here you go.

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    Yikes (none / 0) (#183)
    by bmaz on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:49:52 PM EST
    No clue what happened. Thanks!

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    I think it was a very clever ploy, (none / 0) (#195)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 02:40:32 PM EST
    if they just closed the threat target, the oil/gas pipelines, the al Qaeda "seniors" would be tipped off to our surveillance sources.  So by closing everything, everywhere, they will stay in the dark.

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    In Any Case (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:58:17 PM EST
    Ayman al-Zawahri is probably sitting on the couch with his terrorist buddies laughing their assess off because of all the work and training they have put into their craft, they could never be as effective as the CIA/NSA at terrorizing Americans.

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    Also probably true (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:07:27 PM EST
    And the UK (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:51:18 PM EST
    also evacuated their embassy in Yemen.

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    I thought it was (none / 0) (#102)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:49:09 PM EST
    Interpol that intercepted the communications?

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    Be Careful Anne (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:42:46 PM EST
    We are fast approaching football season and any mention of "The Swamp" should be with reverence and only while discussing both Orange AND Blue.

    Go Gators! (none / 0) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:44:11 PM EST
    This is why I foresee an in depth analysis (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:48:01 PM EST
    of why The Gators were morally obligated to try and save Hernandez from his alleged self.

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    They kinda were (none / 0) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:00:06 PM EST
    imo.

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    That was concise! (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:03:14 PM EST
    Made a lot of money off of him (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:15:48 PM EST
    Should have tried to make him a better person.

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    Maybe they did. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:39:23 PM EST
    Would paying college athletes (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:17:11 PM EST
    have helped him be a better person?

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    Wouldn't hurt (none / 0) (#67)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:19:29 PM EST
    Paying college athletes is a bad idea. (none / 0) (#86)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:48:08 PM EST
    How could one possibly come up with a pay scale.  How much would you pay Hernandez, or Tebow, or the third string linebacker who only gets on the field in a blowout against Toledo.

    But more to the point how much would you pay Živa Recek.  If you don't know who Živa is let me try and get you up to speed.  She is a legit star of the UF Women's Volleyball team.  Just a short blurb about her:

    One of the most decorated freshmen in the history of the program ... Named AVCA National Freshman of the Year ... Volleyball Magazine Third Team All-America ... AVCA Honorable Mention All-America ... AVCA All-South Region Freshman of the Year ... SEC Freshman of the Year ... First Team All-SEC ... SEC All-Freshman Team, SEC

    Not to mention she is a real babe.

    How could anyone possible get around Title IX issues if schools started paying athletes.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:56:03 PM EST
    ragebot: "Paying college athletes is a bad idea."

    Speaking as a former college student-athlete myself, as well as the parent of a student who was on an NCAA Div. women's volleyball full-ride scholarship, both my daughter and I received a college education, which is worth six-figures alone. That's payment enough, in my opinion.

    Personally, I'd sooner see colleges rid themselves of athletics altogether, a la University of Chicago President Robert Hutchins in 1936-39, than to allow schools to start paying athletes. Are they going to pay all the athletes, or just the ones from moneymaking sports? And further, who gets paid what?

    It's simply asking for trouble, and the amounts of money that would be involved -- particularly among the marquee name-brand schools -- would be an open invitation to corruption. If anything, we need to find some way to limit the influence of money in college athletics, not find a way to pump even more cash into a rapidly corroding system.

    "How much would you pay Hernandez, or Tebow, or the third string linebacker who only gets on the field in a blowout against Toledo."

    FYI, the Toledo Rockets of the MAC are not a football team that's generally prone to suffering blowouts, regardless of opponent. They took No. 15 Ohio State to the last two plays of the game in 2011 before falling, 27-22. Last season, they took Arizona into overtime in Tucson before losing, 24-17, and then beat No. 18 Cincinnati, 29-23. Just sayin', they're a pretty tough and scrappy team ...

    Aloha.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#130)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 09:01:24 PM EST
    The point was Title IX requires benefits (including payment) have to be equal.  If the star QB is paid more than the bench warmer on the women's volleyball team the school is putting all its federal aid at risk.

    This is what has resulted in the current equality in the number of male and female athletes on scholarship.

    The topic of paying athletes has been discussed many times at legal sites and the bottom line is Title IX prevents any payment scheme that would make a difference.

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    What do you and Donald think about (none / 0) (#165)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:38:24 AM EST
    the possibility of the professional sports teams paying the college athletes, instead of the colleges paying them? Is that forbidden under Title IX? If so would you support a change to that?

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    Why would a pro team pay (none / 0) (#187)
    by ragebot on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 01:44:27 PM EST
    Currently there have been NCAA punishment for agents paying college players.  The agents have a motive to pay players because they get 10%(what ever) for representing the players when the sign a contract with a pro team.

    But no pro team really knows which player they will be signing at the start of the players senior year (assuming the player plays for four years) less yet at the beginning of the players freshman year.

    What mechanism would be needed to get a pro team to pony up the money to pay athletes they are not sure of signing.

    Who would make the decision on how the money was divided up.  Currently Title IX requires all athletes, not just star football players, get the same compensation.  Do you really think a pro team would be willing to pay the same amount to a bench warmer on the women's softball team as they pay the star QB on a national championship football team.

    I understand how some folks think it is unfair for schools and TV networks to make the big bucks while the athletes get what seems like the short end of the stick.

    But lets remember college sports are suppose to be just that.  While it may have morphed into a big business there is also another issue.  Currently only a very few schools make money off their athletic department, and even fewer off their football team.  If the best players were paid by the pro teams it most likely would just make this situation worse with even more of a competitive imbalance.

    While I am sympathetic to the unfairness of how the revenue is distributed I really don't know of a good solution.

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    I think they should be paid (none / 0) (#174)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:04:26 PM EST
    A stipend, at least.  Considering they are not allowed to hold jobs for the season they play in (and with seasons like basketball, which cross terms), then you have many kids who have no spending money for things like toothpaste or to get a pizza.  Considering many college athletes don't come from welathy families, or at least families that can help them out, I have no problem with part of the athletic budget being set aside so they get, say $1000 for the semester.

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    I had no idea, which is probably more of (none / 0) (#68)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:28:42 PM EST
    a sin than having a slip of the tongue.

    The Hernandez situation is just sad; I wish I felt like these sports programs were more than legal and lucrative meat markets where young (mostly) men are pimped out by universities for oceans of cash, for the slim opportunity to turn the cash machine their own way in the pros.  And even then, it's still a meat market.

    I love football - the game - but I don't love the business of it, and that starts practically at the PeeWee level, it seems.

    Not saying coaches don't care about their athletes - I'm sure there are those who do - but they can only care as much as it doesn't get in the way of the money-making operation.

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    Walker the Bambi-Killer (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Towanda on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:35:14 PM EST
    already is the new slogan for the next election -- if he runs for gov again and gives up his hopes for the White House.  His mismanagement of a DNR out of control, with an idiot running that agency, is just one more reason to run for the border, if Walker runs for higher office.

    Word is that new lyrics already are being written about this, to the tune of "I Bring You a Song" from the Bambi movie, for the Solidarity Singalong, now in its third week of arrests under Walker's new rules for the State Capitol that contradict the state constitution.

    And just wait 'til the armed security forces now licensed by Walker to roam the north woods kill one of the human protesters from the reservation there. . . .

    FTR (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:13:07 PM EST
    No actual discussion of Zimmerman will be permitted in any thread I initiate.

    Pleas e keep that in mind.

    No offense intended in deleting your comment.

    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:33:45 PM EST
    I would prefer to discuss other issues.

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    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#90)
    by lentinel on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:17:17 PM EST
    usually puts a caveat to that effect when she announces an open thread - eg: "Here's an open thread for all topics except Zimmerman."

    Saves time...

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    Consider that disclaimer on (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:23:23 PM EST
    every post I write.

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    I eagerly await your return, BTD. (5.00 / 5) (#94)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:29:15 PM EST
    Possible topics:

    • The return of the Grand Bargain. Why won't it die?

    • The race for the next Fed chair. The misogyny (what the hell is a "female dollar"?). Larry Summers, again. (I swear to god the man's a zombie.)

    • Can the Dems keep the Senate in 2014? How?


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    Thanks. I totally agree with Armando's post. (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by Angel on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:29:00 PM EST


    Michael Hayden trots out the ugly (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:11:00 AM EST
    This pathetic excuse for a human being opens his mouth, and out falls this:

    The former director of the National Security Agency and the CIA speculated on Tuesday that hackers and transparency groups were likely to respond with cyber-terror attacks if the United States government apprehends whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    "If and when our government grabs Edward Snowden, and brings him back here to the United States for trial, what does this group do?" said retired air force general Michael Hayden, who from 1999 to 2009 ran the NSA and then the CIA, referring to "nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years".

    "They may want to come after the US government, but frankly, you know, the dot-mil stuff is about the hardest target in the United States," Hayden said, using a shorthand for US military networks. "So if they can't create great harm to dot-mil, who are they going after? Who for them are the World Trade Centers? The World Trade Centers, as they were for al-Qaida."

    Hayden provided his speculation during a speech on cybersecurity to a Washington group, the Bipartisan Policy Center, in which he confessed to being deliberately provocative.

    What an stupid little man.

    I think it's his arrogance that I find (5.00 / 3) (#137)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:23:50 AM EST
    more offensive than anything else.  That, and his hypocrisy, given that he has been a prolific leaker of classified information, who never misses an opportunity to excoriate someone else for doing the same thing.  

    Worse, he doesn't just get away with it, they roll out the red carpet for him whenever he appears before Congress, and the media dutifully record his words as if they are pearls of wisdom, not to be questioned.

    Just once, I'd like someone to ask him who the fk he thinks he is, but I'm pretty sure I'd turn blue holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

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    Don't think this will get the desired result (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 08:40:06 AM EST
    even if it was done merely to get the Republicans off his back.

    In rebuke, Obama cancels Moscow summit with Putin

    LOS ANGELES (AP) -- In a rare diplomatic rebuke, President Barack Obama on Wednesday canceled his Moscow summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The decision reflected both U.S. anger over Russia's harboring of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden and growing frustration within the Obama administration over what it sees as Moscow's stubbornness on other key issues, including missile defense and human rights.

    Obama will still attend the Group of 20 economic summit in St. Petersburg, Russia, but a top White House official said the president had no plans to hold one-on-one talks with Putin while there. Instead of visiting Putin in Moscow, the president will add a stop in Sweden to his early September travel itinerary. link



    I'd bet (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 08:56:40 AM EST
    the other 17 countries and the European Union like it. No worry about side deals between the US and Russia before they all sit at the table in St. Petersburg now.

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    Hmmmm (none / 0) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:24:38 AM EST
    Now the fact that we are willing to lose the opportunity to forge any deals that might be advantageous to the U.S. is a suddenly a good thing?

    Of course with Obama's habit of negotiating with himself, maybe you are right and it is not a lost opportunity after all.  

     

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    To me, (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:50:20 AM EST
    this cancellation is so petty and so dumb, I can hardly stand it.

    His tantrum over Snowden's revelations are more important to him that maintaining a close dialogue with one of the most powerful nations on Earth?

    Maybe he and his backers think there's more money in ramping up the cold war. Maybe they think they can generate a market for that crappy StarWars garbage that they have been trying to hustle for decades.

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    Now to get back on the topic (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:20:14 AM EST
    of Obama canceling his Moscow summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    I would think that this action would make it less likely for Putin to surrender Snowden as it could be interpreted as him knuckling under to the demands of the U.S. IOW make him look subservient to the "super power."

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    I hadn't thought of that. (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:10:15 AM EST
    I would think that this action would make it less likely for Putin to surrender Snowden as it could be interpreted as him knuckling under to the demands of the U.S. IOW make him look subservient to the "super power."

    It is yet another reason that this action from Obama is... counter-productive - assuming, that is, that he really wants Snowden returned to the US where there would be a major media and legal sh-tstorm guaranteeing the NSA's little peeking would remain front and center for the foreseeable future.

    Personally, with the world in such a terrible state - worldwide depressed economies, unemployment, revolutions and threats of violence - I think we could use all the summitry and personal diplomacy we can get.

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    So is it political jiu jitsu? (none / 0) (#167)
    by unitron on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:50:53 AM EST
    1. The Republicans can't claim he's letting Putin get away with anything with regard to Snowden (unless they consider nuking Russia a reasonable option)

    2. He puts Putin in a box of having to be the bad guy keeping Snowden out of our clutches for at least a year (which gives Snowden time to line up asylum somewhere else and work out a travel plan to get there).

    3. He looks like he wants to bring Snowden back and drag him into court, but actually helps Snowden avoid that.

    Or is he just fumbling his way through, saddled with an insoluble problem?

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    I think I would opt for (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 02:37:56 PM EST
    Door #1. The question IMO remains - was the price was too high?

    Parent
    I didn't say it's a good thing (none / 0) (#148)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:48:15 AM EST
    I said the other 17 countries and the European Union would probably like it. Reading before attacking is always helpful.

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    OK (none / 0) (#150)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:51:52 AM EST
    but, since you mention it - do you think it is a good thing?

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    I have no opinion (none / 0) (#152)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:06:52 AM EST
    as I don't know enough about the disagreements between the two countries over missile shields, Syria, and Russians barred from travel to the US.

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    I did read it (none / 0) (#151)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:58:19 AM EST
    Questioning whether or not losing an opportunity to make a good deal for the U.S. is a good thing is only an attack on you if you choose to view it as such.

    Once again, I seriously doubt that Obama's objective was to make 17 countries and the European Union happy when he made this decision.

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    The "tit for tat" may have (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:37:56 AM EST
    become a diplomatic necessity. But, President Obama's change in scheduling from a meeting with Putin in Moscow to one with friends in Sweden is a casualty of shortsightedness and disproportionality.

    The benefits of a good relationship with Russia outweighs the  pursuit of a fugitive and the apparent need to set an example for  potential leakers.  It all seems to be getting out of hand, with Obama resurrecting "cold war" in reference to Putin's actions. All  this in the wake of the ill-will generated in Latin America by the Evo Morales travel mis-steps.

    As President Obama has claimed, we must talk even with adversaries, although, hopefully, he does not put Putin in that category. It may be that a great deal will not be lost by a missed meeting and Cabinet officers can fill in adequately, but this meeting with Putin would  give an opportunity for the president to renew mutual interests while confronting  Putin and his allies in the Russian Orthodox Church on their latest affronts to human rights.  

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    It does make Obama seem rather petulant (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:02:11 AM EST
    Maybe we should hold a Beer Summit? (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:50:08 AM EST
    There is a vodka boycott, (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    or I would suggest that beverage over a brew.  But, a good idea for sure.

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    I think one of the worst aspects of this (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:53:17 AM EST
    is that it represents the thinking of people like John McCain and Lindsay Graham.

    Charlie Pierce wonders why Snowden should even have to be a topic of conversation, when there are other issues which need discussing, such as missile defense and the treatment of gay people.  

    Leave Snowden where he is, and conduct your diplomacy like grown-ups. Gay people have a lot riding on decent relations between the United States and Russia. McCain has his own reasons for stirring this pot; his desire to meddle in the Syrian bloodbath being at the top of the list. Stop listening to him and act like grown-ups, please.

    I could not agree more; Obama needs to treat McCain's fevered whisperings as the irritating buzzing of gnats that they are, and not allow himself to be distracted by the Snowden issue.

    Too late, I guess; now, Obama can't Roseann Rosannadanna his cancellation.

     

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 91 (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:21:38 AM EST
    The lanes are a little too oily for Hank (link).

    Vol. 90
    Vol. 89

    Happy humpday, my friends. Enjoy the toons, pass them on, subscribe, whatever. Peace.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY (a comic a day)

    Because my wife is a human miracle (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:47:15 AM EST
    PoemsForKay, vol. 566

    Dear lady is a wire live
    A buzz akin to bees & hive

    Dear lady is a bolt of earth
    Of Flesh made nerves in dirt and mirth

    Dear lady is my mind and heart
    The never end to never part

    Dear lady is my love salvation
    Her native tongue, her touch, creation.

    "Darkness washed over... (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:24:36 AM EST
    The Dude" as the special lady went home yesterday, and I returned to the soul-crushing cubicle today.  All things must pass...but this is a particularly brutal passing, f*ckin' A man.

    I lived a life of strictly leisure and romance for 19 days, and it was everything I thought it would be!  Nothing to do but start squirelling away the cashish for the next great escape from reality...or start robbing banks!

    I think I'm gonna need another day or two to give a sh*t about politics again...trying to read J's posts and your comments this morning, and I just can't seem to care.  But of course I missed the TL fam;)

    Forget about the politics (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:05:46 PM EST
    and just take care of your tender heart, kdog.

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    Hard for me to think of (none / 0) (#170)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:54:38 AM EST
    "darkness washing over" such an enlightened guy.  But, welcome back from that other world of leisure and fun.

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    Welcome back (none / 0) (#172)
    by sj on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:59:02 AM EST
    But has it already been 19 days? Where the heck is the summer going.

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    Welcome back, kdog - it has been (none / 0) (#177)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:13:42 PM EST
    kind of dark here of late, so you may not be ready to dive in until the worst of the special-lady withdrawal has subsided.

    Feel free to regale us with any good kdog stories/adventures of the last 3 weeks - those would seem to be much more lighthearted than what we've been mired in here.  Bit of summer doldrum-crankiness going around, I think - we're all a bit more snappish than usual.

    How much longer do you think you and the special lady can reside in separate countries?

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    Regale I shall!... (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 01:17:42 PM EST
    The concert binge was something else...I think I have a budding funk-soul sister on my hands as Trombone Shorty was her favorite of all the acts we saw, with rock-n-roll goddess Grace Potter a close second.  She was digging the festival scene up at the Vibes, she dropped a hundo on several elaborate Henna tatoos getting in the spirit of things. For me seeing Mr. Dylan was a big thrill, and the Crowes on the road again...and Phil Lesh & Friends 4 hour double set of course.  All the more special to share it all with her.  

    After two failed attempts we were able to score ducats to Shakespeare in The Park on Sunday, a modernized rendition of "Love's Labour's Lost".  Very well done, and funny as hell.  She wanted some Broadway too but I went broke too fast and she got sticker shock at them Broadway prices...next time!

    Museums and city walks, lazy beach & park days, and sampling many NYC culinary delights filled the rest of our time.  And one night hipster dubstep clubbing, ya know I gots it bad when a girl gets me to go hipster clubbing with that sh*t they call music.  How do they dance in those skinny jeans I wonder?  Only fair, she sat through my softball games;)

    Every parting gets harder and harder...but I think
    she might be warming up to the idea of using that 6 month visa for a long stay in the NY and see what we really got here.  This trip opened her eyes to our many cultural wonders.  The next hurdle is a winter visit, the summer is one thing, but our winters quite another!  


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    Sounds like a fabulous time was had (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 03:14:14 PM EST
    by all, kdog.

    I realize parting is supposed to be "such sweet sorrow," but when it involves affairs of the heart, I find parting to be just plain sad. So, you have my sympathies, matey.

    Exposure to a NY winter sounds like an important  step in the progress of your relationship. Do you know if her medical credentials would transfer to the U.S.? Or would she need to go back to school?

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    Back to School... (none / 0) (#199)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 03:48:39 PM EST
    as far as we understand, but she was talking about taking a break from deliveries and surgeries and doing something less stressful with less responsibility (I must be rubbing off;)  

    She's certified to teach yoga and would love to do that, but doesn't think her english is good enough. I think after a month or two of immersion she'd be good to go.  Not to mention there is probably a huge market niche here for yoga instruction en espanol.  Another problem is legal permission to work...maybe open an underground yoga school and/or undergound midwife services would be the move!  

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    Listening to Trombone Shorty on youtube (none / 0) (#192)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 02:30:48 PM EST
    right now, thanks for the tip!

    I'm also back from my vaca, 10 days with family back east. Rivers and beaches during the day, early cocktail hours, food and laughing until the tears came every night.

    Did you make the Hoboken Pier concert?

    We really didn't have time for any music, although my son and niece sang like angels for my MIL's 80th.

    Back to the grind now!

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    TS kinda reminds me of Tower of Power. (none / 0) (#193)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 02:35:18 PM EST
    He did a killer... (none / 0) (#196)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 02:47:10 PM EST
    instrumental of "American Woman" at our show.

    The Hoboken show was sick man...what a view of the Manhattan skyline to go with the killer bill.  Dylan's set was a little rough to start but he warmed up nicely...brought Peter Wolf out from the wings (along with Wilco, MMJ, & Bingham) for "The Weight". MMJ brought Bingham out for a cover of "Don't Do It".  Up at Vibes The McLovins hit us with "Cripple Creek", and Govt't Mule did "Shape I'm In."  Levon's torch burns strong my friend.

    Lack of music aside, sounds like you had a good one too...belated happy birthday to your mother in law!

     

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    The Hoboken show sounds amazing, (none / 0) (#197)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 03:11:03 PM EST
    glad you were there!

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    Tell her a S. CA friend survived the "Storm (none / 0) (#205)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:31:24 PM EST
    of the Century."  

    Love the Delacorte. Often better than Broadway.

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    kdog, you say it so well (none / 0) (#201)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 04:19:59 PM EST
    You make me feel your pain. Welcome back - we are glad to have you and will do our best to fill the special-lady-sized void.

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    kdog, I swear to you, I (none / 0) (#202)
    by Teresa on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 05:00:08 PM EST
    thought about you two yesterday. I remember you popping in for a second and dreading it 10 days or so ago. My heart hurts for you.

    She sounds like a wonderful person and I know you are. Maybe she'll fall in love with winter and how pretty NYC is at Christmas time.

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    Ask Dadler to write a poem. (none / 0) (#206)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:36:56 PM EST
    (Sam Elliot voice) (none / 0) (#208)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 11:39:27 AM EST
    "..Darker 'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless praire night"

    Keep the faith , El Dogerino.

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    I could use a good Sarsaparilla ;) (none / 0) (#209)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 12:53:45 PM EST
    Soiux City Sarsaparilla? (none / 0) (#210)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 08, 2013 at 12:55:22 PM EST
    That's a good 'un..

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    Colorado Lawmakers' Magic License Plates (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:51:39 AM EST
    Colorado legislators are immune from speeding tickets and parking tickets thanks to the special plates issued to lawmakers -- ones that aren't included in the DMV database.


    Well (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:19:34 PM EST
    I think the first sentence proves you wrong.

    I deleted that commenter's comment (none / 0) (#200)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 04:13:26 PM EST
    and discussion about it. It was bait and an attempt to bring up Zimmerman/race issues in your open thread.

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    Hey now... (none / 0) (#203)
    by bmaz on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 05:03:41 PM EST
    ...mine was just a joke!

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    Miltary sentencing (none / 0) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:14:56 AM EST
    Completely ignorant regarding how military sentencing might work regarding Manning's actual sentence.

    Manning's max possible sentence cut to 90 years

    ...the judge, Army Col. Denise Lind, found during his sentencing hearing Tuesday that a number of the charges refer to the same actions and therefore were duplicative for sentencing purposes.

    Does anyone have any idea what this change might have on the actual sentence imposed?

    Nope, it is all Judge Linde's call (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:54:54 AM EST
    After sentencing, the convening authority may overturn the ruling so long as it takes a finding of guilty to not guilty.  Sentencing can also be reduced by the convening authority but at this point nobody can consider giving Manning more than 90.  Whatever Linde sentences Manning to cannot be increased by the convening authority, only reduced.

    Bradley Manning's convening authority is currently Major General Jeffrey Buchanan.

    So, in the end Generals rule.  This system is the system that has allowed sex offenders to walk easily and has been deeply criticized, but as in all things there are two sides.  A General who takes command environment very seriously could be so pissed about that in this situation that he reduces Manning's sentence.

    Everyone is soon going to be eyeballing Buchanan. Does he hope to be a 4 star someday and not want to upset his superiors?  Does he want to retire soon and live in Boulder?  We may get some hints soon.  I don't know anyone who knows Buchanan so I have no idea if he is sympathetic or a hardass.

    We have been most impressed with Bradley Manning's defense.  They have set him up perfectly to petition for clemency down the road.  The whole system has a plus in that it is designed to find ways and reasons to reduce a soldier's punishment.  Manning's defense has created the perfect pathway for the military to forgive Manning coupled with the unpopularity of the Iraq War being something that will accompany his petition for clemency.  Hasan on the other hand is hell bent on getting himself killed.

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    NYT today calls Manning "whistleblower" (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:06:18 AM EST
    Not in a politics article...It was in reference to a Welsh play that's being staged about him, called "The Radicalisation of Bradley Manning." Still, I thought it was interesting the headline used the word "whistleblower." I don't recall that it's how any major media outlet has referred to him so far.

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    BTW, eagerly awaiting an opinion (none / 0) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:16:35 AM EST
    piece from you. Any hints on the subject matter?

    I'm thinkin (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    Not sure yet.

    Suggestions?

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    Pres. Obama's plans re Freddie and (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:36:18 AM EST
    Fanny:

     NYT

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    Range of government spying activities (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:37:53 AM EST
    are probably at the top of my list at the moment.

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    My Thoughts (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:04:22 AM EST
    Stock up on Valium due to the recent influx of hell bent on crazy. Otherwise, it will be like Biogenesis around here. You'll be banning more people than MLB.

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    He will just need more roolz... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:30:03 AM EST
    but I'm guessing he won't be the only one self-medicating...

    It's not even mid-term campaign season and look at the crazy over the Hillary movie...I guess the wild-eyed and acronymic Reince Preibus has forgotten about the John Kerry "documentary" that Sinclair ordered its stations to air just a couple weeks before the 2004 elections (I don't believe it ever aired in its original form, but was repackaged as part of a program about the media's influence on elections - and I'm not sure even that ever aired, but still...).

    I don't know how much more of this stuff I have the stomach for...it might be infinitely more rewarding to spend time with my grandson, and maybe my other daughter and her husband can give him a cousin...

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    Doesn't J have exclusive power (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:10:47 PM EST
    to ban?  BTD may "recommend."

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    BTD only bans himself , IIRC (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:04:00 PM EST
    He does indeed ban (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:18:37 PM EST
    from his own threads, but not from TL.


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    Rome (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:36:36 AM EST
    Comparative Imperial Pathologies?

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    Fox News says we are doomed. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:38:31 AM EST
    No thousand year reich? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:41:16 AM EST
    Oh boy...

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    Link: (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:44:58 AM EST
    First time (none / 0) (#14)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 10:52:44 AM EST
    I have seen the USA compared to the Roman Empire with emphasis on how the decline and fall of the Roman Empire mirrors what is happening in present day USA.

    Nice to see FOX is putting out new ideas instead of simply recycling old stuff.

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    Sarcasm alert (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:14:48 PM EST
    I'll assume you're the one who set it off.

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    Busted (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:31:47 PM EST
    When I see a link describing a convention where folks are discussing how the current events in the USA mirror the decline and fall of the Roman Empire it is not easy for me to pretend this is breaking news.

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    Leave it to Fox (none / 0) (#85)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:43:05 PM EST
    They'd claim they discovered the moon if all that green cheese wasn't clogging their cranial regions.

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    I was just about to amend my initial comment: (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:39:50 PM EST
    [Snk.]

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    Will the House vote (non-vote) (none / 0) (#21)
    by christinep on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:33:34 AM EST
    on comprehensive immigration reform have an impact on Congressional district races? How many districts could be effected? IOW, how do you, BTD, react to all the reactions among the pundits/commentators about the potential depth & breadth of the issue?

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    ERISA 514 (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:34:35 AM EST
    Will it take Obamacare completely out?

    I have run into $25,000 in "cost share" that Tricare Humana attempted to place upon me that ERISA 514 seems to be enabling.  I won that fight but they did it to me on three separate medical bills soooo it is now built into the Tricare Humana system.  They used something they called point of service fees where they attempted to say that I did not get a referral for a service from a network provider?  Josh's surgeon would never preform a surgery though without an authorization and I have copies hanging on the fridge in a stack I go through every few months to refresh.  The third bill was from a flu he had that almost became pneumonia, his doctor got him in immediately to see his partner.  They also did an office chest X-ray which saved Tricare huge vs emergency room X-ray, and because it was an associate of the same practice while Josh's primary care physician had the day off they attempted to make me pay for 20% of the bill.  These "point of service" costs (mmmm, I smell the Harvard MBA all over that fee name) are exempt from being included in the deductible or yearly out of pocket cap.  This is a giant problem, it is a run around the law.

    When I was standing at the Tricare window I asked their clerk if she would share with her superiors that if they are going to bill families for doctors visits when all emergency room services must be fully covered....well, everyone is incentivized to avoid the fees or the fight and  headed to the very expensive emergency rooms every time all the time.  She would not look me in the face.

    I got this all fixed but it is obviously something they are attempting to do to everyone if it happened to me three times.  And some people don't fight, they just pay it.

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    Oh yeah, and I did get to go to collections (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:37:09 AM EST
    Before they fixed anything.

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    All these suggestions are great, Tent, but... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:16:55 PM EST
    ...what you really need to write about is how the phuck I've had pocket aces cracked SIX STRAIGHT TIMES. At three I started getting worried, at six I'm beginning to believe that psychic I forgot to tip is really having a great time screwing me on the felt.

    BTW, glad to have you back, at least in the part time capacity that you've returned. Peace, my friend.

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    I would appreciate a statistical analysis of (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:43:17 PM EST
    the probability of repeatedly having either all vowels or all consonants though most of a Words With Friends game.  

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    6 in a row? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 02:59:21 PM EST
    Sheesh. The odds are astronomical against that in head to head situations.

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    You're talking Dadler here (none / 0) (#81)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:23:33 PM EST
    The last time it happened was in Reno a few weeks back. I was in the big blink, short stack pushes UTG, another dude calls him from middle position (the push was about five or six blinds big), and at this point I break my rule and peek at my cards early, see the bullets and think, perfect, perfect, the shorty and another fool in, I will push hard and at least win a good pot if the other guy folds and more if he doesn't. But I still have small blind next to me, who is drunk fat guy, big stack in the tourney at that point, and he calls. I think, bah, and snap shove all-in. First caller in mid position folds, and then SB goes in the tank for what seemed like ten minutes, then finally calls me with K9 offsuit. The short stack had K10, and I think I am set. But the flop, and I won't soon forget it, comes K29...phucker hit two pair on the flop and I was left to suck a cocktail at the bar and curse my fate.

    I love cards!

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    I love foreign languages (5.00 / 8) (#84)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:42:20 PM EST
    If only I could understand them.

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    So that one doesn't really count heads up (none / 0) (#82)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:25:04 PM EST
    Since there were three in the pot, but still...five heads up. Damn.

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    Correction (none / 0) (#19)
    by Adirolf on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:11:34 AM EST
    Not a real swat team, just 9 DNR agents and 4 deputies.

    your comment was deleted (none / 0) (#211)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 01:23:22 PM EST
    urls must be in html format or they skew the site and the comment has to be deleted.

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    Neon Deion Sanders on Riley Cooper (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:49:32 AM EST
    Dion (none / 0) (#25)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 11:59:20 AM EST
    Perhaps the best cover corner to ever play.

    But a bit of a shock to hear him say this.

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    best cover corner maybe... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:18:09 PM EST
    ...and also maybe the worst tackler ever. That's assuming he actually MADE an unassisted tackle in his NFL career.

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    Sanders was not the worst (none / 0) (#83)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    I am old enough to remember Garo Yepremien in the Superbowl against the 'skins.  You may think it is not fair to compare a European kicker to a dback but at least Sanders did not run away from the ball carrier like Yepremien did.

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    I'm laughing remembering that (none / 0) (#131)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 09:50:47 PM EST
    I was old enough to see it as a little kid. It was like watching George Costanza from SEINFELD trying to play football.

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    Garo (none / 0) (#138)
    by ragebot on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:30:16 AM EST
    was a first rate PK.  The 'fins had a great team and I mean that in the truest sense of the word team.  The No Name Defense was just that, few remember the names of the players.  On offense there were a few stars, but I doubt anyone would claim, with the possible exception of Paul Warfield, the 'fins had the best player at their position.  But Garo was certainly one of the best PKs of his time.

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    A great PK, no doubt (none / 0) (#158)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:52:32 AM EST
    But, as I just heard Parcells say in a piece about him, "He doesn't have to play football today, he just has to kick."

    Try to tell Garo that on that day.

    L phucking O phucking L.

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    They won the Super Bowl that day (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 11:09:01 AM EST
    and finished the only perfect season ever in the NFL. He and his teammates only cared for 2 minutes and 7 seconds and then the celebration began.

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    the piece was about Parcells, I should say (none / 0) (#159)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 10:54:01 AM EST
    And he was remarking about his own kicker on the Pats that day.

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    Not even the best on (none / 0) (#100)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 05:40:40 PM EST
    his last team.

    Mel Renfro, Cornell Green....better

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    Are you sure (none / 0) (#112)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:30:33 PM EST
    Renfro only played for Dallas while Sanders last team was Baltimore (the Ravens) and he played for the 'skins before that.  He did play for Dallas before the 'skins.

    Sanders had better stats, especially total takeaways returned for TDs.  Sanders was also taller and heavier.

    Not saying Renfro was not a great corner, just that Sanders was the best 'cover corner' I have seen.

    Notice I said 'cover corner' in all my posts, not all around corner.

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    Fun to watch him play baseball. (none / 0) (#111)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:23:34 PM EST
    Deon and I were similar baseball players (none / 0) (#115)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:38:00 PM EST
    Neither of us could hit a curve ball.  Me in high school and Deon in the major leagues.

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    Ha! Me too. (none / 0) (#117)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:44:59 PM EST
    Highest BA on my little league team, over .500. Then they started throwing curves at me.

    That, and the co-eds, led me to track and field...

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    Segue: pitching. (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:34:43 PM EST
    Like Mike!! (none / 0) (#119)
    by bmaz on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 06:54:32 PM EST
    You are in superb company. Michael Jordan could not come close to off speed AAA, much less major league pitching. The old trope of hitting good baseball pitching being one of the most difficult things possible is maybe quite true.

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    Which is why (none / 0) (#121)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:23:29 PM EST
    some sports writers say Ted Williams was the greatest sports performer of all time.

    He "saw" the pitch in slow motion.

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    Ted Williams (none / 0) (#122)
    by ragebot on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 07:27:08 PM EST
    also said that hitting a golf ball well was harder than hitting a baseball well.

    His reasoning was that when you hit a baseball you did not have to go looking for it, but you did when you hit a golf ball.

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    All the python enthusiasts (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 01:59:31 PM EST
    Have made my living in an apartment impossible to do ever again.

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    First criminal charges filed (none / 0) (#73)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:42:18 PM EST
    in Benghazi attack:

    Federal authorities investigating the deadly attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi have filed charges against Ahmed Abu Khattalah, leader of a Libyan militia that officials believe was involved in the assault, people briefed on the investigation said. The charges under seal are the first criminal counts to emerge from the probe.

    The investigation of the attack last September 11 that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others continues, these people said, as investigators try to build their case against Khattalah and others who authorities believe were involved.



    I'll be interested to learn (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 03:58:45 PM EST
    the source of U.S. federal court criminal law jurisdiction.

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    It will be a fight (none / 0) (#75)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:03:02 PM EST
    His arrest would set off another political battle over where to take him. The Obama administration will press to have him brought to the US for trial in civilian court. Congressional Republicans will very likely push to have him treated as an enemy combatant.

    Link

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    Let's get gypsy (none / 0) (#78)
    by Dadler on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 04:15:38 PM EST
    Have Seen Them Twice (none / 0) (#181)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 12:42:49 PM EST
    The last time just a couple moths ago, no one, and I mean no one gets the crowd going like GB.  They are more performance than music on the stage.  It's like you are almost waiting for someone to bust out the trapeze.

    The lead singer was in Everything Is Illuminated, which is great movie, especially the crazy Russian driver played by Hutz.

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    Pete Rose advises come clean early: (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 06, 2013 at 08:18:22 PM EST
    Pete's (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:00:26 AM EST
    advice presumes that Alex is guilty.
    Alex is denying it, so it is unlikely that he would confess.
    Why would he?

    My inclination is to suspect the accusers more than the accused and will wait until the appeal has been heard and all the evidence against A-Rod has been presented and made public.

    Speaking of Rose, I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. No question in my mind.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the betting that he did was for his team to win. If he had bet them to lose, and somehow deliberately engineered a loss so that he could clean up, I could see banning him. But betting on his own team to win, for me does not qualify as anything even remotely immoral.

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    Guilty ? (none / 0) (#188)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 01:45:22 PM EST
    Not sure that is the right term since it's not a crime.  MLB believes he used banned substances and claims he obstructed the investigation as well.  They also say he had them in his possession, not sure if that means they found actual drugs in his possession. They say he also tried to pay an employee at Biogenesis money to retrieve the incriminating documents of his guilt.

    He's admitted to using them in the past.

    I think you would have to look high and low to find some who thinks he didn't use.  He was trying to negotiate his suspension, he hasn't denied the allegations, only the punishment.  The debate seems to be more about his 200+ game suspension compared to the 50 game suspensions everyone else received.  MLB says it's because he tried to recruit others for the clinic and tried to obstruct the investigation.

    Rose's advise is spot on in you compare how Petit and Clemens handled their banned substance ordeals.  Petit admitted it, apologized, and moved on.  Clemens ended up in front of Congress and had to throw his wife under the bus.

    The FBI and DEA are investigating Biogenesis.  I think it would be wise to come clean or he is going to end up with some sort of charge in regards making false statements to investigators.

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    Well, according to Pete, early admission of (none / 0) (#204)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 06:21:16 PM EST
    culpability would permit him to resume his career.  Z.b , Andy Pettite. .

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    Hasn't he already "come clean?" (none / 0) (#142)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 07, 2013 at 09:07:12 AM EST
    He admitted to juicing during 2001-3, and the (supposedly private, when administered) drug tests support that contention?

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