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[new] Gotcha... (none / 0) (#197) by kdog on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:49:28 AM PST if Wilson knew about the alleged 911 call from a concerned shopper. His boss says he didn't, but I guess that don't mean much....Ferguson PD doesn't appear to know their a$$holes from their elbows. Parent
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THEN, it has been reported, sometime DURING the initial contact with Brown & Johnson, Wilson saw the cigars and realized what was what, because he WAS aware of the cigar incident.
We'll probably never know...but I keep coming back to even if you give the officer the benefit of every doubt, it's very hard to justify this shooting (morally if not legally)...and I have serious doubts about anything and everything coming from the police side. In fairness, my prejudices run that way anyway as most here know...but this seems particularly shady, regardless of my prejudice. Parent
Seems to me that if, after ordering Brown and Johnson to the sidewalk, Wilson hears about the theft of the cigarillos, and sees a package of tobacco products in Brown's hand, what he does next simply defies logic and reason. If anything, there would be more unknowns that had the potential to be extremely dangerous, calling for more caution and calm. And Wilson did exactly the opposite with, ultimately, fatal results. I don't know what we have come to that we live - or at least the people of Ferguson live - in a world where the possibility that someone stole tobacco products calls for the kind of reaction that ends up with someone dead on the street.
And Wilson did exactly the opposite with, ultimately, fatal results.
I don't know what we have come to that we live - or at least the people of Ferguson live - in a world where the possibility that someone stole tobacco products calls for the kind of reaction that ends up with someone dead on the street.
And, I might add, where there is such callous disregard by the police in Ferguson for the feelings of the dead man's family and friends that they would leave his body in the street for four hours.
I can't reconcile the police chief's rationale of "it took a long time to process the scene" - an attempt to portray themselves as careful and thorough - with the cop's failure to even call in the incident (the dispatcher said they were getting news reports) or for an incident report to be filed. Parent
Broken Windows is broken, community relations and cooperation is non-existent, disrespect and fear and hate all around. And to be fair, the police are not totally to blame...lawmakers created alotta this with their war on drugs, their war on terror, and their over-criminalization of the American people via legislative clusterf8ckery. Not to mention the army surplus giveaways. Congress and State Legislatures have turned the police and the citizenry into enemies...it doesn't have to be this way. It shouldn't be this way. Parent
However, I did find this shooting in NYC where you can see by the photos that the body was left for however much time it took for the investigators to show up, put their markers over evidence, take their photos and notes etc., etc., which has to be at least a couple hours I'd say. Parent
I know there has been a lot of speculation about the disrespect shown to Mr. Brown, and, his family, and, from what I've seen, it's certainly inexcusable. But, whether it was done to "send a message," like, "this is what happens when you mess with us," I would say that it's probably just more of the gross incompetence we see metastasizing each day . But, denying that racism doesn't permeate everything we've seen so far would be denying reality. Parent
In fact, incident reports released by Ferguson police indicate a swift response. A time line produced by St. Louis Public Radio based on police reports breaks down police action Aug. 9, including the convenience store robbery and the shooting. 12:00:07 p.m., Wilson left a scene where he was assisting with a "sick call." 12:01:50 p.m., a shooting event is opened by the Ferguson police department. 12:02:22 p.m., Ferguson dispatch alerts another officer, who is en route and arrives on scene. 12:04:55 p.m. EMS is contacted.
A time line produced by St. Louis Public Radio based on police reports breaks down police action Aug. 9, including the convenience store robbery and the shooting.
12:00:07 p.m., Wilson left a scene where he was assisting with a "sick call."
12:01:50 p.m., a shooting event is opened by the Ferguson police department.
12:02:22 p.m., Ferguson dispatch alerts another officer, who is en route and arrives on scene.
12:04:55 p.m. EMS is contacted.
Not criticizing you - that really was all there was in the article. Parent
There is a difference between responding to something and starting an investigation, I hope I've made this distinction clear to you by now. Parent
At 12:01 is his encounter with Brown and witnesses say it all went down within 60 seconds.
The event would likely still be going on at 12:01:50.
So who called it in??? and call me Skeptical. Parent
Jackson said he was "uncomfortable" with the length of time Brown's body lay in the open. But he added that the job of processing the crime scene was delayed by the sound of gunshots ringing out, although it was never determined where those shots came from.
25% of the Ferguson budget is from traffic stops.
86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.
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The dynamic between police and blacks very bad. The police harass them on a daily basis and are bleeding them dry. Parent
Much better to be honest and raise taxes than the backhanded tickets as taxes game so many localities play. It has consequences, and police-community relations is a biggie. Parent
Don't you know anything?? Parent
But to process it properly wouldn't they also need the officer's SUV???
Looking at the crime scene just minutes after the shooting the officer's SUV is gone -- gone -- gone -- gone.
If the entire incident started there at the SUV and the first shot was fired there at the SUV then why was that SUV moved and who moved it and where did it go. Parent
What could take precedence over processing the body that could take so long?
People on the scene report that the police went around taking everybody's cellphone. Is that what took so long???
Was that to make sure that the residents couldn't record the crime scene processing and where the cones were placed by the 8+ shell casings on the ground???
And most importantly:
Where was Chalkman??? He never did make an appearance. Parent
Where did the shell casings end up?
By all accounts there were at least eight shots fired, one in the car, one at the fleeing suspect, and six that hit him from the front. Obviously he was using an automatic weapon, not a revolver, so the casings were ejected.
In ANY investigation of a shooting, the locations of ejected shell casings are marked and recorded, because (Duh!) they will tell you a lot about where the shooter fired from. Parent
The Chief said that and then when asked where he came up with that he admitted that it was his speculation and nothing more, aka he just made it up out of thin air.
From the time that contact was first made with the two in the street to the time he was standing over a dead body was about 60 seconds.
There was no time to see cigarillos and make any connection -- cigarillos incidentally that were probably already in his pocket and out of sight. Parent
Am I the only one in the Midwest considering taking the ice bucket challenge.
Without being challenged.
It's been weird. Nice, really, because we've had many more days where we've actually wanted to be outside, but weird because it just doesn't seem like summer.
Has me wondering if winter's going to be milder than we're used to - or if Mother Nature will double-down and make us pay for such a nice summer with lots of snow and bitter cold.
Guess we'll see soon enough!
Stay cool: light a candle to Willis Carrier in gratitude for air conditioning! Parent
I never use the stuff at home. I'd love to claim out of my eco-consciousness, but really I just don't like it and abuse the energy grid in other ways, like sleeping with the tv or stereo on. Parent
It's harder when the air is like dog breath, for sure - but it's been pretty comfortable for most of the summer. My daughter's due to have a baby at the end of October, and I know she's hoping for cool weather - not cold, mind you, just cool. Actually, the day I delivered her October 9th - it was in the mid-80s, so I guess you get what you get, and no use getting upset!
Now, if we can get lucky and not have to put the heat on early, that would be wonderful, too. Parent
As an avid indoor smoker, I cherish the spring/summer/fall open windows. It looks like a dream sequence at my crib in the winter. Parent
And I am not a "chilly" person Parent
I think I might die in weather like this without AC. I literally can't sleep. Parent
Btw Our 97 year old family weather forecaster agrees. And honestly based on experience I trust her forecasts more than the national weather service. Parent
And their predicting a nippy September...I feel gipped! Parent
The latest word from the climatologists is that there used to be 30 year cycles of heat and cooling.. it has to do with the Atlantic ocean and how it absorbs and releases heat..
super fascinating... the big problem, is that with the atmosphere being f'ed up as it is, this cooling period which seems to have started at the new millennium may be only 10-20 years and then brutal heat.. things are changing much more rapidly which does not bode well for the future.
very unstable times.. Parent
The past couple of years, I was still harvesting tomatoes and other summer crops past Thanksgiving, before enough rain/cold came to ruin the tomatoes. Be interesting to see when I stop this year . . . Parent
Facebook Friendships Challenged By Ferguson-Related Racism
Angela Mitchell-Phillips' predominantly white church had a "come to Jesus" moment on race last weekend. Her minister leaned over the pulpit and said something like: As God is my witness, I better not ever hear of anybody in this parish calling another human being an animal. The congregation turned pin-drop silent. Mitchell-Phillips looked around the pews. "I bet somebody did it," she thought. "I bet he saw it on Facebook. And I bet he was pi$$ed." The moment points to how raw and tense the issue of race has become in St. Louis, and around the country, since Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson fatally shot 18-year-old, unarmed Michael Brown and the volatile days of protests since. The aftermath of Ferguson has generated a rash of friend fallouts. Mitchell-Phillips posted a rant on Monday. "If you need to start a comment with `I'm not racist, but ...' that's probably a comment you don't need to say (or write) out loud," she wrote.
Her minister leaned over the pulpit and said something like: As God is my witness, I better not ever hear of anybody in this parish calling another human being an animal.
The congregation turned pin-drop silent. Mitchell-Phillips looked around the pews.
"I bet somebody did it," she thought. "I bet he saw it on Facebook. And I bet he was pi$$ed."
The moment points to how raw and tense the issue of race has become in St. Louis, and around the country, since Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson fatally shot 18-year-old, unarmed Michael Brown and the volatile days of protests since.
The aftermath of Ferguson has generated a rash of friend fallouts. Mitchell-Phillips posted a rant on Monday.
"If you need to start a comment with `I'm not racist, but ...' that's probably a comment you don't need to say (or write) out loud," she wrote.
What I would like to know more about is how a white minority can continue to hold all the seats of power well into the 21st century? I mean, this isn't Jim Crow, Mississippi, 1935. What factors create this atmosphere where just a few black/minority votes could start turning this around, and, it isn't happening? Parent
After doing just a little bit of research we find this general area in Google Earth along Tigris River in Mosul that looks like it could be a fit based on the land marks available in the images.
From the article:
Kathleen Chung set out to find an attorney, working down a list of the top 100 lawyers in Philadelphia Magazine. She found that most of them wanted tens of thousands of dollars to review the case. Then she spoke to Peter Goldberger, who offered to look at Lee's files for only $700. Goldberger has served as Lee's pro bono and court-appointed attorney since 1999. The Chungs became leaders of the National Committee to Free Han Tak Lee. In a June opinion, Carlson wrote that Lee's conviction was based on junk science and should not stand. "The verdict in the matter rests almost entirely upon scientific pillars which have now eroded," Carlson wrote. Two weeks ago, U.S. District Judge William J. Nealon adopted Carlson's recommendations, ordering Lee's release and giving Monroe County prosecutors until Dec. 6 to retry him. Assistant District Attorney Matthew Bernal said Friday that his office plans to review Nealon's decision for a possible appeal. Monroe County District Attorney David Christine, who prosecuted Lee in 1990 in his first term as district attorney, did not return a call to his office Friday. Goldberger said he will act quickly to have an appeal dismissed if one is filed. "We are not going to go through another full appeal process if I have anything to do with it," Goldberger said. Beneath his elation at Lee's release, Goldberger expressed frustration that the facts and testimony that ultimately convinced Carlson and Nealon to set Lee free are essentially the same as those presented to a Monroe County judge in 1993 and again in 1999. "The state courts 15 years ago brushed us off and told us we were challenging the truth," Goldberger said.
Goldberger has served as Lee's pro bono and court-appointed attorney since 1999. The Chungs became leaders of the National Committee to Free Han Tak Lee.
In a June opinion, Carlson wrote that Lee's conviction was based on junk science and should not stand.
"The verdict in the matter rests almost entirely upon scientific pillars which have now eroded," Carlson wrote.
Two weeks ago, U.S. District Judge William J. Nealon adopted Carlson's recommendations, ordering Lee's release and giving Monroe County prosecutors until Dec. 6 to retry him. Assistant District Attorney Matthew Bernal said Friday that his office plans to review Nealon's decision for a possible appeal.
Monroe County District Attorney David Christine, who prosecuted Lee in 1990 in his first term as district attorney, did not return a call to his office Friday.
Goldberger said he will act quickly to have an appeal dismissed if one is filed.
"We are not going to go through another full appeal process if I have anything to do with it," Goldberger said.
Beneath his elation at Lee's release, Goldberger expressed frustration that the facts and testimony that ultimately convinced Carlson and Nealon to set Lee free are essentially the same as those presented to a Monroe County judge in 1993 and again in 1999.
"The state courts 15 years ago brushed us off and told us we were challenging the truth," Goldberger said.
You are a jolly good fellow. Parent
"Triumphilations!" maybe.
You made the system work for this man, and ultimately for all of us; you put the scales of justice back into balance for this man.
There's an element of sadness that it should have been that hard, and taken that many years to right the wrongs inflicted on this poor man, but thank God for people like you who don't give up.
If I can be sappy for a moment, this news means the light of justice burns a little brighter against the forces that would prefer to extinguish it.
Thank you. Parent
Jesus.
Where's the speculation about Wilson? About the Ferguson PD? Why aren't you asking if Wilson had any record of drug or steroid use? If there were any citizen complaints about his treatment of people in the community? Of his record of harassment of black people? Why aren't you making anything out of his broken marriage?
Why do you need Michael Brown to be "guilty" in the kangaroo court that is your mind? Why would you begin from the side that needs to justify the shooting - because the guy doing the shooting was a cop, and we all know that cops don't kill people, they just complete the circle of their victims' history? A history where parents that aren't together is considered important. Where having pot in your system is strike two. Where the lawyers your family hires means you must be guilty of something, or it's all about money.
Like I said, disgusting.
On Aug. 8, 2014, Knoller tweeted that Obama had taken 19 vacations totaling 125 days so far while in office. Those numbers have risen a bit due to the Martha's Vineyard vacation, but that's still many fewer than George W. Bush's 65 combined trips to his Texas ranch and his parents' home in Kennebunkport, Maine, which totaled 407 days at the same point in his presidency. As for which president has played the most rounds of golf, it's definitely not Obama. For instance, Dwight Eisenhower played almost 800 rounds during his eight-year presidency, according to a study of his daily itinerary cited in Golf Digest -- many times what Obama has played.
As for which president has played the most rounds of golf, it's definitely not Obama. For instance, Dwight Eisenhower played almost 800 rounds during his eight-year presidency, according to a study of his daily itinerary cited in Golf Digest -- many times what Obama has played.
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Oy.
Michael Brown used to live in St Ann, casenet shows arrest on 11/2/13 for armed robbery among other things. I've seen claims that totally dismissed the arrest on the erroneous idea that Brown lived in Ferguson, but nothing solid either way.
If there's "nothing solid", why post it? Do you have any idea of the number of people name "Michael Brown"?
In a move certainly worthy of its status as the fringiest of the far-right fringe hate groups, the Westboro Baptist Church congregation says it's going to accept an offer by a popular Australian comedian to fly members to Iraq to protest the beheading of Christians by the Islamic terror group ISIS, Addicting Info reports. After learning that members of the antigay church planned to protest the funeral of Robin Williams, comedian Adam Hills challenged them to really live their stated values and offered them a proposition on his television show, The Last Leg. "If you really believe in standing up to those threatening the Christian way of life, Westboro Baptist Church, how about putting your money where your mouth is, taking a direct flight to Iraq," he said this week, also offering to pay for first-class airfare. Church members took Hills's offer seriously and announced their acceptance on Twitter:
In a move certainly worthy of its status as the fringiest of the far-right fringe hate groups, the Westboro Baptist Church congregation says it's going to accept an offer by a popular Australian comedian to fly members to Iraq to protest the beheading of Christians by the Islamic terror group ISIS, Addicting Info reports.
After learning that members of the antigay church planned to protest the funeral of Robin Williams, comedian Adam Hills challenged them to really live their stated values and offered them a proposition on his television show, The Last Leg.
"If you really believe in standing up to those threatening the Christian way of life, Westboro Baptist Church, how about putting your money where your mouth is, taking a direct flight to Iraq," he said this week, also offering to pay for first-class airfare.
Church members took Hills's offer seriously and announced their acceptance on Twitter:
but double WOW on this..
an Australian Comedian bring Westboro Baptist Church to Iraq to protest ISIS? Parent
Actually it's topsy turvy this time. He doesn't need to pull a Trayvon Martin as he has been handed a gift on a silver platter.
It is actually the Ferguson PD who are taking the Rachel page out of the Crump playbook with this anonymous "Josie", and friend in shadow, and 12 anonymous witnesses and their partridge in a pear tree, instead of posting an incident report.
And as far as the autopsy, it was much more conservative than the one by the County ME. She said it was 6 to 8 bullets while Crump's ME said 6 doing all that damage.
And that diagram said more than the ME or his assistant or any of its detractors. Two of those wounds could only have come from the back to front or with his hands facing forward possibly no higher than head level.
A young man holding a toy rifle in a Wal-Mart was shot and killed on Tuesday by police in the Dayton suburb of Beavercreek, Ohio, according to Raw Story. John Crawford, 22, was carrying a toy gun he picked up in the store, alarming two other shoppers. LeeCee Johnson, the mother of Crawford's children, told the Dayton Daily News she was on the phone with him while he was browsing in the store. "We was just talking," she told the Ohio newspaper. "He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said `It's not real,' and the police start shooting and they said `Get on the ground,' but he was already on the ground because they had shot him. And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human." CBS reports that two other Wal-Mart customers, April and Ronald Ritchie, saw Crawford walking around the store with what appeared to be a gun and called the police. The police station reports that officers asked Crawford to put down the weapon, and opened fire when he did not comply. He later died of his gun shot wounds at a nearby hospital, where his death was ruled a homicide by the Montgomery County coroner's office. A request for comment by msnbc to the Beavercreek police department was not immediately returned.
LeeCee Johnson, the mother of Crawford's children, told the Dayton Daily News she was on the phone with him while he was browsing in the store. "We was just talking," she told the Ohio newspaper. "He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were. And the next thing I know, he said `It's not real,' and the police start shooting and they said `Get on the ground,' but he was already on the ground because they had shot him. And I could hear him just crying and screaming. I feel like they shot him down like he was not even human."
CBS reports that two other Wal-Mart customers, April and Ronald Ritchie, saw Crawford walking around the store with what appeared to be a gun and called the police. The police station reports that officers asked Crawford to put down the weapon, and opened fire when he did not comply. He later died of his gun shot wounds at a nearby hospital, where his death was ruled a homicide by the Montgomery County coroner's office. A request for comment by msnbc to the Beavercreek police department was not immediately returned.
Wright also said the family expressed condolences to the family and friends of Angela Williams, 37, who died after suffering a medical problem while evacuating the store.
In the latest embarrassment for local law enforcement, an officer from the St. Louis County Police Department was removed from active duty on Friday after a video surfaced in which he boasted of being "a killer." Officer Dan Page, a 35-year police force veteran who had also served in the U.S. military, was removed from patrol duties and placed in an administrative position pending an internal investigation. In the video, Page is seen addressing a St. Louis chapter of the Oath Keepers, a conservative group of former servicemen, saying, "I'm also a killer. I've killed a lot, and if I need to I'll kill a whole bunch more. If you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me." He also made disparaging remarks about Muslims, gays, Supreme Court justices and expressed the view that the United States was on the verge of collapse.
Officer Dan Page, a 35-year police force veteran who had also served in the U.S. military, was removed from patrol duties and placed in an administrative position pending an internal investigation.
In the video, Page is seen addressing a St. Louis chapter of the Oath Keepers, a conservative group of former servicemen, saying, "I'm also a killer. I've killed a lot, and if I need to I'll kill a whole bunch more. If you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me."
He also made disparaging remarks about Muslims, gays, Supreme Court justices and expressed the view that the United States was on the verge of collapse.
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More on the Oath Keepers at Digby's
But seriously, is it just me, or does "Oath Keepers" sound just a tad overly Teutonic..a tad Thirties Germany..? Hail Woton, Der Fatherland, the Thousand Year Right, and our Sacred Oaths.
Not to stereotype.
What I've suspected right along about a lot (not all) so-called "libertarian" groups is that they serve as the most viable of several imperfect outlets for a certain troubled personality type with a deep-seated desire to vent his or her sadistic urges on the least powerful in society. Right up there with working in the DAs office..
I bet they're all social liberals too. Parent
Not to stereotype
You do have a way..... Parent
American Ninja Warriors look out. Parent
In addition to maintaining a web site, Oath Keepers has taken various actions. It placed a billboard at the D.C. Metro White House Station on August 12, 2013, directed toward White House employees, stating, "Snowden honored his oath. Honor yours! Stop Big Brother! Expose unconstitutional actions." MSNBC political commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, quoting the Las Vegas Review-Journal,[13] said "Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia." Buchanan explained their existence on the alienation of white America, concluding that "America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right."
MSNBC political commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, quoting the Las Vegas Review-Journal,[13] said "Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia." Buchanan explained their existence on the alienation of white America, concluding that "America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right."
And SPLC is concerned
In the Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) 2009 report The Second Wave: Return of the Militias, Larry Keller, a writer for the SPLC, wrote that the Oath Keepers "may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival."
...a former Army paratrooper in Afghanistan and Iraq described President Obama as "an enemy of the state," adding, "I would rather die than be a slave to my gov- ernment." The Oath Keepers site soon began hawking T-shirts with slogans like "I'm a Right Wing Extremist and Damn Proud of It!" Mack's views echo those of the Posse Comitatus, which believed that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in America. "I pray for the day that a sheriff in this country will arrest an IRS agent for trespassing or attempting to victimize citizens in that particular sheriff 's county," Mack said in a video he made for Oath Keepers.
Mack's views echo those of the Posse Comitatus, which believed that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in America. "I pray for the day that a sheriff in this country will arrest an IRS agent for trespassing or attempting to victimize citizens in that particular sheriff 's county," Mack said in a video he made for Oath Keepers.
The Second Wave Return of the Militias
If my memory serves me correct ppj has rattled on about Posse Comitatus, no? Parent
One of my main concerns is this pressure cooker of Angry White Man-Guns R Us paranoia that the Becks of the world are constantly teasing and feeding into..
How soon before one of these full-of-rage loons goes off? Parent
If my memory serves me correct ppj has rattled on about Posse Comitatus, no?
And you have a link??
Yes?? No?? Parent
The second is about about the use of NG in LA during Katrina... in which I note
I doubt that this will get through to you, but one more time. It doesn't work like that. The state has to call for help. To have it otherwise would make us just like one of the Bananna Republics. And, since you don't understand that, I can see why you think Bush is just about to take over the country. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 "In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from participating in arrests, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."
"In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from participating in arrests, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."
And your last example is from a conversation regarding faith and secularism...
Really squeaky. Why do you make things up??? Parent
The choice not to release the incident report for the killing becomes all the more puzzling as sources, granted either partial or total anonymity, have begun talking to the media, telling what is purportedly officer Wilson's side of the story, which would be reflected in the incident report.
Former NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly, himself no stranger to controversy over heavy-handed police tactics, has said that the trickle of information released by authorities is helping to fuel the unrest that has engulfed Ferguson.
Telling the public what happened "certainly has the potential for quelling or lessening disturbances," Kelly said. "You tell them what you know and tell them what you don't know, rather than dribbling it out."...
The one-sided and piecemeal disclosure of potentially irrelevant and prejudicial information, while continuing to withhold the critical police incident report that the public has demanded, suggests a desire to confuse rather than to shine a light on what happened."
UPDATE: Ferguson City Attorney, Stephanie Karr told The Huffington Post that the St. Louis County Police Department is in charge of deciding when the shooting incident report will be released.
[So are we to assume that an incident report has already been turned over to the County and they just haven't released it or are they still working on it] Parent
It would be nice if someone could straighten this out for the public, and, tell us who is involved, who has jurisdiction, and, what each party's role is. Between the Town, The County, The State, and, The Federal Government, who can figure out what's going on?
While I have a little experience in these things, I'm far from an expert. But, in my experience, this is the worst, most confused, and most disorganized handling of a police shooting I can remember.
Not to belabor all the things the FDP did wrong, I'd just like to point out one:
The minute a police officer fires his weapon, and, kills or injures a suspect, his active involvement in the case ceases. He informs his superiors, surrenders his weapon, and, writes up his incident report.
But, whether he has to turn over his report is an open question. Of course, we think he, absolutely, should, but, if there's a chance he might be indicted, the question of self-incrimination comes into play. Things like amnesty have to be considered. On top of all that, different agencies have different rules.
The problem with Ferguson is, they're not telling us anything, anything of value, that is. And, what they are telling us is so obviously tainted in favor of Officer Wilson that whatever they say has to be looked at with that in mind. Parent
If the officer feels that he may be indicted then he may not want to fill out an incident report -- in so doing exercise his Constitutional right against self-incrimination.
That should then be noted however as it would and should temper anyone fictionalizing the event on his behalf.
And yet instead of leaving it at that his Chief the day after starts to tell the public what happened as if he is reading it right from the incident report given to him by the officer.
He says that there was a struggle for the gun in the front seat and the gun went off but didn't hit anybody and Brown ran.
Where did he get that information if not from the officer???
The Chief then skips over what happened next and jumps right to the end stating that there was a body 35 feet from the SUV with brass scattered all the way. Not a word about anyone charging the officer or bumrushing him.
The Chief's silence about what happened from the door to 35 feet away was not lost on any of the reporters present. It was clear that the Chief knew that what happened during those 35 feet was not good for the officer or the department. Parent
Did they move the SUV early on and why would they do that if that is where the incident began and the first shot took place??? It should have been processed on the spot.
And did they ever mark the locations of the shell casings on the ground as is usually the case at crime scenes?
If they did neither of these things then why was his body lying in the street for 3-4 hours?
What were they doing all that time???
Were they too busy collecting all the cellphones from the residents to actually process the scene??? Parent
So far, the dearth of good judgment on the part of law enforcement is damning, and waiting until hell freezes over to "judge" isn't going to change that. Parent
Nevertheless, I think it is best to reserve judgment as to whether any officer-involved shooting is justifiable until the officer-involved shooting investigation is complete and becomes public record.
Of course, this does not result to good blog-fodder. Parent
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Following rapid warming in the late 20th century, this century has so far seen surprisingly little increase in the average temperature at the Earth's surface. At first this was a blip, then a trend, then a puzzle for the climate science community. More than a dozen theories have now been proposed for the so-called global warming hiatus, ranging from air pollution to volcanoes to sunspots. New research from the University of Washington shows that the heat absent from the surface is plunging deep in the north and south Atlantic Ocean, and is part of a naturally occurring cycle. The study is published Aug. 22 in Science. Subsurface ocean warming explains why global average air temperatures have flatlined since 1999, despite greenhouse gases trapping more solar heat at the Earth's surface.
More than a dozen theories have now been proposed for the so-called global warming hiatus, ranging from air pollution to volcanoes to sunspots. New research from the University of Washington shows that the heat absent from the surface is plunging deep in the north and south Atlantic Ocean, and is part of a naturally occurring cycle. The study is published Aug. 22 in Science.
Subsurface ocean warming explains why global average air temperatures have flatlined since 1999, despite greenhouse gases trapping more solar heat at the Earth's surface.
If I understand, the warm water has become more dense allowing it to sink beneath the cold water and that this is a 30 year cycle which means we have about 15 more years of cooler weather. Parent
"There are recurrent cycles that are salinity-driven that can store heat deep in the Atlantic and Southern oceans," Tung said. "After 30 years of rapid warming in the warm phase, now it's time for the cool phase." Rapid warming in the last two and a half decades of the 20th century, they proposed in an earlier study, was roughly half due to global warming and half to the natural Atlantic Ocean cycle that kept more heat near the surface. When observations show the ocean cycle flipped, in about 2000, the current began to draw heat deeper into the ocean, working to counteract human-driven warming. The cycle starts when saltier, denser water at the surface northern part of the Atlantic, near Iceland, causes the water to sink. This changes the speed of the huge current in the Atlantic Ocean that circulates heat throughout the planet. "When it's heavy water on top of light water, it just plunges very fast and takes heat with it," Tung said. Recent observations at the surface in the North Atlantic show record-high saltiness, Tung said, while at the same time, deeper water in the North Atlantic shows increasing amounts of heat. Changes in Atlantic Ocean circulation historically meant roughly 30 warmer years followed by 30 cooler years. Now that it is happening on top of global warming, however, the trend looks more like a staircase. This explanation implies that the current slowdown in global warming could last for another decade, or longer, and then rapid warming will return. But Tung emphasizes it's hard to predict what will happen next... "We are not talking about a normal situation because there are so many other things happening due to climate change," Tung said.
Rapid warming in the last two and a half decades of the 20th century, they proposed in an earlier study, was roughly half due to global warming and half to the natural Atlantic Ocean cycle that kept more heat near the surface. When observations show the ocean cycle flipped, in about 2000, the current began to draw heat deeper into the ocean, working to counteract human-driven warming.
The cycle starts when saltier, denser water at the surface northern part of the Atlantic, near Iceland, causes the water to sink. This changes the speed of the huge current in the Atlantic Ocean that circulates heat throughout the planet.
"When it's heavy water on top of light water, it just plunges very fast and takes heat with it," Tung said. Recent observations at the surface in the North Atlantic show record-high saltiness, Tung said, while at the same time, deeper water in the North Atlantic shows increasing amounts of heat.
Changes in Atlantic Ocean circulation historically meant roughly 30 warmer years followed by 30 cooler years. Now that it is happening on top of global warming, however, the trend looks more like a staircase.
This explanation implies that the current slowdown in global warming could last for another decade, or longer, and then rapid warming will return. But Tung emphasizes it's hard to predict what will happen next...
"We are not talking about a normal situation because there are so many other things happening due to climate change," Tung said.
I have his various SOPs down to a tee.
Never changes. His value is that he is one of our portals to the wingnut echo chamber. Parent
Just be glad that there weren't any dogs nearby or the death toll would have been higher. Parent
Ferguson police report raises more questions than it answers Parent
What I feel like we are seeing more of are cops who go right to DefCon 5, and don't take any time or make any effort to resolve anything non-violently.
Does that guy really need to be dead? Then again, if the mental health system is in as good a shape as law enforcement, the choices for this guy weren't that great. Parent
But I completely agree that the option chosen does seem to be the default choice way to often. Parent
The police in San Diego spent an HOUR trying to talk this man down. In contrast, the police in St. Louis needed only about 17 seconds to kill Powell.
To review: in one case a white man with a gun is shot, but not killed, after an hour of police effort to get him disarmed.
In the other case we have a black man with a knife shot to death by police less than 30 seconds after they arrived on the scene. No effort made to talk him down.
Could skin color possibly be the significant difference here?
This is why I am not at all impressed with the quick and transparent response of the St. Louis department. The black man is still dead. Parent
In 2012, Channel 4 looked into how often officers fired their weapons and found that in the last two years British cops had discharged their weapons just 5 times. Just twice were they used to fatally injure a suspect. The idea that cops could kill someone is so offensive to the English mindset that after one such incident, thousands of Londoners rioted in the streets in protest. By contrast, nobody knows how many people American police kill because not standardized way of measuring this seemingly very important bit of information exists, but the closest number researchers have come up with is roughly 400 a year. Sure, America is larger; but not that much larger. Sure, America is more violent, but not that much more violent. There is something else going on here. Police in America seem all to willing to shoot-to-kill instead of finding non-lethal solutions. Are most cops homicidal psychopaths? Of course not, but the policing culture has certainly shifted towards viewing their role as occupiers in dangerous territory rather than protectors of citizens. The bigger, badder military toys they insist they need attest to that. Somewhere along the way - if I had to guess, it would be right after 9/11 - the police started viewing the world as much more dangerous. They needed bigger guns, stronger cars, and more lethal tactics to combat the perception (if not the reality) that the streets they were policing had turned against them.
By contrast, nobody knows how many people American police kill because not standardized way of measuring this seemingly very important bit of information exists, but the closest number researchers have come up with is roughly 400 a year. Sure, America is larger; but not that much larger. Sure, America is more violent, but not that much more violent. There is something else going on here.
Police in America seem all to willing to shoot-to-kill instead of finding non-lethal solutions. Are most cops homicidal psychopaths? Of course not, but the policing culture has certainly shifted towards viewing their role as occupiers in dangerous territory rather than protectors of citizens. The bigger, badder military toys they insist they need attest to that. Somewhere along the way - if I had to guess, it would be right after 9/11 - the police started viewing the world as much more dangerous. They needed bigger guns, stronger cars, and more lethal tactics to combat the perception (if not the reality) that the streets they were policing had turned against them.
One - the first time I saw it, I didn't realize the man walking slowly back and forth on the sidewalk was the disturbed man. He could be waiting for a ride or a bus or a friend - he just doesn't look like someone who's about a minute from being shot dead.
Two - the man makes no threatening moves toward any of the people walking by him in close proximity. None of those people seemed afraid to me.
Three - it is the sight of the cops that really agitates him; it is the first time he seems truly animated.
So, I go back to my point, with some additions: apparently, it was the store clerk that called it in. Did the cops, the operator, anyone, get any information about what he was seeing, what the man was doing, where he was walking?
Why roll right up on him, when even from the same distance as the guy with the cell phone was, you can see there's no one near him? Why not start from a distance, have one car approach from another direction to see what's what?
These men were treated like rabid dogs, and left on the ground like so much meat. Parent
When the only person whose life is in danger is the disturbed man, why aren't the cops approaching this situation in a way that has a better chance of ultimately saving this man from himself? Parent
My question would be if they had to shoot him why not just stop him, which is not that hard with a hand gun, instead of pumping 9 bullets into him in the space of about 5 case nods.
Further I thought it was rather disgusting to roll a guy you just shot 9 times, and who is almost certainly quite dead, over and cuff him. Parent
Cuffing the body was disgusting. Not a sliver of decency shown toward the man they had just slaughtered. Parent
Sems like police all over the country could use a refresher course in non-lethal intervention techniques.
Of course, when you are armed like the military and dressed like the military everybody becomes the enemy. Parent
"A top national security adviser to President Obama vowed Friday that the United States would "do what is necessary" in Syria to protect American interests and said that direct military action was possible against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, known as ISIS."
Benjamin J. Rhodes, the deputy national security adviser, said ISIS had become an increased threat to the United States, a threat the American government was taking seriously."
"If you come against Americans, we are going to come after you," Mr. Rhodes said."
"On Thursday, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the only way to defeat ISIS was for the United States or its allies to take the fight to the militants inside Syria. "This is an organization that has an apocalyptic end-of-days strategic vision that will eventually have to be defeated," Mr. Dempsey told reporters. "Can they be defeated without addressing that part of the organization that resides in Syria? The answer is no."
""We will take whatever action is necessary to protect our people," Mr. Rhodes said. "We will take direct action against terrorists that threaten the United States."
It's that kinda hyperbole that gets us into unnecessary wars and occupations that accomplish little and harm many. Parent
------your real self - which is not created by you, which need not be created by you, which you already are. You are born with it. You are it! It needs to be discovered. If this is not possible, or if the society does not allow it to happen - and no society allows it to happen, because the real self is dangerous: dangerous for the established church, dangerous for the state, dangerous for the crowd, dangerous for the tradition, because once a man knows his real self, he becomes an individual. He belongs no more to the mob psychology; he will not be superstitious, and he cannot be exploited. And he cannot be led like cattle, he cannot be ordered and commanded. He will live according to his light; he will live from his own inwardness. His life will have tremendous beauty, integrity. But that is the fear of the society.
He belongs no more to the mob psychology; he will not be superstitious, and he cannot be exploited. And he cannot be led like cattle, he cannot be ordered and commanded. He will live according to his light; he will live from his own inwardness. His life will have tremendous beauty, integrity. But that is the fear of the society.
The fact that some want to go there, before there is even an incident report, tells me that the police department knows that it has a problem.
But I think they knew that the minute they arrived on the scene. Parent
Also on Monday, authorities confirmed to the Associated Press that Martin did not have a juvenile offender record.
But they have extra special powers so they count like double. Parent
Why?????
Do you realize what that makes you? Parent
I'm not an attorney and didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... But I would say offering money to someone to kill someone is illegal. Holder should have shut these guys down over their actions in Phil during the election. But he didn't. Now every time they are shown on TV Obama loses votes.
I'm not an attorney and didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
But I would say offering money to someone to kill someone is illegal.
Holder should have shut these guys down over their actions in Phil during the election. But he didn't. Now every time they are shown on TV Obama loses votes.
How many people here are 'hoping' that the perp is the same Michael Brown? Parent
Previously TV
Who asks
Battle Of The Operatically Ruined Faces One's a lady ravaged by disease, the other a WWI sharpshooter. Who's in direr straits?
Important questions like Whose "apparatus" disguises the situation less elegantly?
And Who's less able to convert his/her circumstances into a career skill?
I also find it remarkable how well the show is researched and depicts NYC even though it's shot in Brooklyn. One always thinks about Europe and London when you think of period pieces but New York lends itself so we'll to this type of period piece.
Ironically enough I watched Godfather II this weekend and it was interesting to see the simarities with the Little Italy scenes shot so well by Mr. Coppala.
I also like Soderberg using his typical soundtrack filling in behind the cut scenes building anticipation and moving the story along when there is no conversation from the actors.
Owen is great, the honest and harsh take on life, class and death emmerce us in a time period we can't possibly relate to.
Great stuff. Parent
Three things. The amazing seamless effects of the woman's face. That is not easy to do with him poking around in it. Parent
I would not play either... but I would not leave the barista a $100. tip either. Parent
"I had to put an end to it," Schorsh wrote on his blog. He said the act of kindness wasn't driven by altruism, but rather peer pressure. Because people felt obligated to pay it forward, the generosity wasn't genuine enough for Schorsh. "I just don't want to be forced into doing something," he told ABC News. "This is turning into a social phenomenon and I had to put an end to it."
He said the act of kindness wasn't driven by altruism, but rather peer pressure. Because people felt obligated to pay it forward, the generosity wasn't genuine enough for Schorsh.
"I just don't want to be forced into doing something," he told ABC News. "This is turning into a social phenomenon and I had to put an end to it."