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I read that the White House... (none / 0) (#203) by crimebird on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 01:18:05 AM EST ...is sending three people to attend Brown's funeral. I hope that is an indicator that Brown did not have a significant juvenile record and that there is tangible evidence he was a completely innocent victim. Because if it turns out that neither of those are the case, the White House is going to look...bad.
Unless Brown is St Terea in a hoodie the WH will look "bad" for trying to show some concern that he was gunned down for crossing the street improperly?
Just trying to understand here
Try as I might, I just don't understand this, at all. I don't understand how the possibility of a juvenile record is supposed to get them from the tragedy of Michael Brown to the triumph of Darren Wilson. How, in any universe that is supposed to be civilized, can walking in the road be cause for a confrontation of that magnitude?
Why are they working so hard to feel okay about a death at the hand of someone who's supposed to be about "protect and serve?" Who was Darren Wilson protecting? Himself? How does running after someone and shooting at them fit into that category? Who was he serving? The community? How does firing bullets with no regard for people in the area serve them, or anyone?
What really just wants to make me vomit is finding out how many people think like "crimebird" does.
I could not be more disgusted. Parent
I am a white parent, that is how I know this outrage would not stand!
But the victim was black, his parents are black, and they must manage their social expectations differently because...... Parent
Some "people" don't want to convict an officer of a crime before all the facts are known.
People who want to use this trajedy to score racial points and confirm their theories are making huge assumptions and not bothering to wait for evidence. Then when this is pointed out you and others make statements about "republicans" and "tea partiers" revealing your own prejudices and lack of empathy for the other side.
You have no idea what happened other than a Cop shot a young black male.
How about we wait to find out and you stop shouting down theories that are based on just as much evidence as yours?
Last time I checked this is a legal blog were we presume innocence until guilt is proven.
IMHO Mr. brown threatened the officer on some level. Reports indicate he struck the officer. That is true or not. Whatever the case the question is did the officer apply deadly force when it was not necessary. Unfortunately for the victims family if that is the case it will probably be hard to prove and unfortunately for the officer if it isn't the case now because of media attention he will be prosecuted no matter how little evidence they have against him.
It is not unreasonable or racist to infer that Mr. Brown could have acted as he did in the convienence store when the officer hassled him for walking in the street.
In fact I would say that two youths walking down an empty street was not worth the time of a police officer even before the advantage of hindsight. I would also say this is a perfect example of why young black men feel they are constantly under unnecessary scrutiny from law enforcement. However if the officer was responding to the robbery or theft call this theory goes out the window. Again we'll wait and see.
If we assume the officer hadn't heard the call yet Mr. Brown probably (and with good reason) couldn't believe this cop was pestering him about something so silly and a confrontation began that ended tragically in a young mans death.
That's my theory. Could be true, could be untrue but me having it has nothing to do with racism and I'll wait to see what the facts show.
Obviously it's hard to leave ones feelings about law enforcement and race at the door but one can disagree on what happened here without being a racist.
Just like the Duke Lacrosse case presumptions based on the race of the victim and the officer have written a narrative of events that are not clearly backed up by the known facts. If we assume the worst, as was done then, we see a racist killing and anyone who defends the officer must have racist intentions because the facts of racism are already in place from this narrative. The idea that a white officer shot a black man kneeling with his hands up has no basis in facts but instead was established early on because it fit the most racist narrative that could be established. To me that narrative seems very unlikely at this point but we'll see.
I'm not a racist for doubting it. Parent
People seeking change from within are wonderful people when sincere, so if you can cut and paste your comments of outrage to the racist commenters in the Darren Wilson fundraiser site and the Gateway Pundit BS article on orbital explosion, it would be appreciated. Parent
What's your point?
Both sides of the aisle have plenty of warts. Never acknowledging your own leads to discussions that never go anywhere and zero empathy for the other point of view.
Ther are racist democrats, republicans and independents. Doesn't mean any of them don't have a point.
As Chris Rock said..."the most racist people on the planet are old Black Men"
His point being we all can do a little better. Parent
Well, it is true that I have little empathy for tea partiers. I live in an area where there are a lot of them and there's no agree to disagree with them. It's all about you have to agree with them 100% or you're an awful person out to destroy America. I have pointed out to them that they are actually being taken advantage of by a bunch of charlatans but it falls on deaf ears. Parent
Stop it. Some people have jumped to the opposite conclusion that many on the black community have taken.
Both are probably wrong,
Not all Republicans think he "deserved" it.
Many haven't a clue and unfortunately too many are overacting in the opposite direction. Parent
I figure the conservatives have been riding this train for quite a few decades. It's their Frankenstein monster and they are the ones that need to deal with it.
I mean good grief even the statements about the children coming across the border were awful. Parent
Imagine someone was in a bar for 4 hours. Next thing is the person was outside vomiting, than sat down and passed out.
food pinioning or alcohol poisoning? Parent
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Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact--like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly--i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference. On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out.
On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out.
Wilson had a gun, and was bigger than Brown.
Do you really think that pushing around an armed Policeman that is bigger than you is the same as brushing aside a small shopkeeper who is unarmed and blocking your exit?
I don't. Parent
An unarmed person assaulting an armed cop over a few cigarillos?
Do you think that Brown thought he was going to knock Wilson out?
that is pretty funny, imo. Parent
Own what you said. Parent
Jeremy Renner is slated to reprise his Bourne Legacy role - as former CIA black ops agent-turned rogue operative, Aaron Cross - in the currently-untitled fifth Bourne franchise installment (a.k.a. Bourne 5). However, before he does, he'll battle the CIA in a very different sort of film: Kill the Messenger, the upcoming drama about real-life journalist Gary Webb's investigation into links between the Reagan-era CIA, the Contra rebels in Nicaragua, and the smuggling of cocaine into the U.S. that contributed to the crack cocaine epidemic during the 1980s. The newly-released Kill the Messenger trailer paints a short and sweet portrait of the film's narrative - namely, Webb uncovering what appears to be a vast conspiracy, which results in Renner's protagonist becoming the target of the powers that be, who would prefer to keep said skeletons tucked away in their closet. Webb's articles for the San Jose Mercury News - published in 1999 as the book "Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion" - have long been controversial; not just because of Webb's unnerving assertions, but also because even some of those who were closer to him have questioned his accuracy in reporting - and whether or not Webb is really someone who should be considered "heroic." Then again, Webb asserted that his co-workers and editors were often not supportive and unable to process his findings rationally - so it kind of depends on who's telling the story. Kill the Messenger director Michael Cuesta helped to paint a complicated portrait of the CIA during his time as an executive producer and director on Showtime's Homeland (he's also worked on TV shows like Elementary and Dexter), so hopefully he'll manage to do as much here - rather than simplify Webb's story to a basic good journalist vs. bad government drama. __________________
The newly-released Kill the Messenger trailer paints a short and sweet portrait of the film's narrative - namely, Webb uncovering what appears to be a vast conspiracy, which results in Renner's protagonist becoming the target of the powers that be, who would prefer to keep said skeletons tucked away in their closet.
Webb's articles for the San Jose Mercury News - published in 1999 as the book "Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion" - have long been controversial; not just because of Webb's unnerving assertions, but also because even some of those who were closer to him have questioned his accuracy in reporting - and whether or not Webb is really someone who should be considered "heroic." Then again, Webb asserted that his co-workers and editors were often not supportive and unable to process his findings rationally - so it kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Kill the Messenger director Michael Cuesta helped to paint a complicated portrait of the CIA during his time as an executive producer and director on Showtime's Homeland (he's also worked on TV shows like Elementary and Dexter), so hopefully he'll manage to do as much here - rather than simplify Webb's story to a basic good journalist vs. bad government drama.
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So says little green footballs. Seems some on the right still care about having some smidgen of credibility
Makes me wonder who actually did create that page. Parent
Anyone with a brain asking the right questions could have picked it apart in a minute. Parent
Dana Loesch was all over the air last week defending caller 'Josie's' claim to be telling Darren Wilson's story. Either she was punked or she was part of the punking.
We live in a racist society. Reverse racism is BS. Parent
Not here. Not on Facebook. Not anywhere. Do those people exist? I have no doubt they probably do but I would no more waste my time with them than I would the ones calling Ferguson protesters "animals". Sadly I've seen quite a bit of that. Parent
Sanford had its Rachel and now Ferguson has its Josie.
Instead of admitting that they were and are wrong too many Josie believers are doubling down on their stupidity. Parent
crooks and liars
Concha then went on to enumerate the second and presumably more important aspect. "More importantly we'll look at integrity...Every host's job is to present two sides of every story and let the audience come to their own conclusions." Wait, what? What is he talking about here, specifically? Either you're doing an opinion show like Hannity does every damn night or you're doing a news broadcast. If you're doing opinion, then both sides aren't required, nor can the audience sort it out because it's not fact-based. It's opinion. If, on the other hand, you're doing a news broadcast, you have a duty to the facts. This is where so much journalism fails. In their zeal to present "both sides" they put on ridiculous stories like "death panels," in order to appear as though there's no bias. Example: Jim Hoft's clumsy effort to fabricate facts this week cried out for journalists to actually get some real facts from real sources, on the record. That never happened, leaving the door wide open for a Battle of the Anonymous Sources, where Hannity/Hoft/Fox News' anonymous sources say Darren Wilson suffered a "blowout of his left orbital socket" while CNN's anonymous sources say that's absolutely untrue. But Concha wants the audience to sort it out. Yeah. Pick your trusted news and go with that, but really, until there's something more concrete, no one knows. I tend to disbelieve Fox because Hoft felt the need to invent evidence to support his story, and Hoft is a known liar who makes things up to drive traffic into his site, which Drudge cheerfully does for him.
"More importantly we'll look at integrity...Every host's job is to present two sides of every story and let the audience come to their own conclusions."
Wait, what? What is he talking about here, specifically? Either you're doing an opinion show like Hannity does every damn night or you're doing a news broadcast. If you're doing opinion, then both sides aren't required, nor can the audience sort it out because it's not fact-based. It's opinion.
If, on the other hand, you're doing a news broadcast, you have a duty to the facts. This is where so much journalism fails. In their zeal to present "both sides" they put on ridiculous stories like "death panels," in order to appear as though there's no bias.
Example: Jim Hoft's clumsy effort to fabricate facts this week cried out for journalists to actually get some real facts from real sources, on the record. That never happened, leaving the door wide open for a Battle of the Anonymous Sources, where Hannity/Hoft/Fox News' anonymous sources say Darren Wilson suffered a "blowout of his left orbital socket" while CNN's anonymous sources say that's absolutely untrue.
But Concha wants the audience to sort it out. Yeah. Pick your trusted news and go with that, but really, until there's something more concrete, no one knows. I tend to disbelieve Fox because Hoft felt the need to invent evidence to support his story, and Hoft is a known liar who makes things up to drive traffic into his site, which Drudge cheerfully does for him.
The President is sending three White House officials to the funeral service of Michael Brown in St. Louis on Monday: Leading the group for Monday's service will be the chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force, Broderick Johnson. My Brother's Keeper is an Obama initiative that aims to empower young minorities. Johnson is also the secretary for the Cabinet. Also attending will be the deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, Marlon Marshall, and an adviser for the office, Heather Foster. And here's how deranged, openly racist right wing blogger Jim Hoft sees it: Reports: White House to Send All Black Delegation to Michael Brown Funeral
Leading the group for Monday's service will be the chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force, Broderick Johnson. My Brother's Keeper is an Obama initiative that aims to empower young minorities. Johnson is also the secretary for the Cabinet.
Also attending will be the deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, Marlon Marshall, and an adviser for the office, Heather Foster.
And here's how deranged, openly racist right wing blogger Jim Hoft sees it:
Reports: White House to Send All Black Delegation to Michael Brown Funeral
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Gosh, I can't think of a thing. Parent
Hope you and the animals are all okay.
Oh and Ball canning jars hit the floor from 6ft up and didn't break! That would have been a mess of jams, salsas and sauces mixed with glass if they did :P Luckily, my dishes are in the cabinet under the counter, so that was good.
Thanks for checking on me! :) Parent
Your community should give me and my friends an all expense paid vacation in your area. We seems to bring rain where ever we go.
On a more serious note, I hope your area gets the rain it needs soon. Parent
It took him 41 minutes to call it in????
And it will be for some time, according to Brian Schellman, a spokesman for the St. Louis County police department. Schellman told TIME that the department does not intend to release the "investigative" component of the incident report, the part that details Wilson's version of events. Schellman said that under the Missouri State "Sunshine" Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson's account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said. "We will not release it," said Schellman, who noted that this is the county's normal procedure. "This isn't any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store." Wilson never filed a report on the incident, according to the office of the St. Louis County prosecutor. The case was quickly turned over to the county at the request of local police. According to the document, the St. Louis County police entered the incident report on Aug. 19, 10 days after the shooting. It was approved for release the following morning.
Schellman said that under the Missouri State "Sunshine" Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson's account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said.
"We will not release it," said Schellman, who noted that this is the county's normal procedure. "This isn't any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store."
Wilson never filed a report on the incident, according to the office of the St. Louis County prosecutor. The case was quickly turned over to the county at the request of local police. According to the document, the St. Louis County police entered the incident report on Aug. 19, 10 days after the shooting. It was approved for release the following morning.
more details about "the report" here Parent
But you did release the incident report and video of Brown in the local convenience store.
So then who should we believe, Schellman??? Parent
There is a report of the call in, that was filled in by the St Louis County PD. Parent
Where did he make the call from -- the police station??? Parent
It is all a little terrifying though to me also. It really seems to me that if people across the nation weren't losing their minds over this, that there would be no substantial investigations and the truth would never be revealed due to a flurry of denial and evidence lost. And this seems to be a pattern in some parts of the country for law enforcement.
I don't want to live in a nation without law enforcement, at the same time law enforcement has some issues that must be faced and resolved. Parent
Smaller departments usually aren't staffed to investigate themselves. In Arkansas, the ASP investigates all OIS fatalities regardless of jurisdiction as you suggest is standard for many departments.
I would guess that FPD's assertion that they didn't create an incident report will be explained by the fact that they weren't the agency with jurisdiction. Parent
When I lived in Wyoming there was a local wannabe who had the required college education and also served 4 yrs in the military, he applied for every local law enforcement job available but could not pass the psych evaluation and he was never hired. Parent
Honestly it has renewed a bit if my faith in the screening process. We are talking about a person who has said in an unguarded moment that he likes working as a EMT, in addition to his on and off local deputy duties, because he likes dealing with mangled dead bodies.
I wish I was being funny. Parent
We are talking about a person who has said in an unguarded moment that he likes working as a EMT, in addition to his on and off local deputy duties, because he likes dealing with mangled dead bodies.
Isn't that a good thing? Parent
That incident may have been key to the state police saying something like "are you freaking kidding me?" Parent
My sis "pfft ain't you ashamed? Anyway encouragement is the last thing we need. Ohhhhh you always make me say the worst things!"
Me "that's my job" Parent
Better to get him a year gift certificate for the pharmacy (meds only).. Parent
Fortunately a different story for the state police. Parent
It's again important to note that the times reflected do not established when the dispatch received the information, but when they entered it into the computer system. Parent
So which is it???
Was it opened after Wilson called it in or when they heard about it on the news or after one of the other officers realized that Wilson forgot to call it in and did so himself???
No wonder the FPD doesn't want to issue an incident report. Parent
The original [reacted] incident report on the disturbance call is available via Scribd.
1201--The disturbance call was received. 1202--The patrol unit was dispatched to respond to disturbance. 1202--The patrol unit advised that it was on scene. 1935--The patrol unit advised that it had left the scene.
I'm provisionally assuming that the first-on-scene patrol officer was the one dispatched referencing Wilson's alleged call for backup, since the dispatch time and arrive time are the same. There is significant uncertainty regarding this assumption. It is also quite plausible that the response time was a product of the strong-arm robbery BOLO that is alleged to have occurred near-in-time to the incident.
A 1201 initial report time makes it fairly unlikely that the dispatcher learned of the event by watching the news, remembering that the robbery report was made at 1151.
Moving over to the FPD event log, (PDF via Scribd)
1202--Event opened 1202--Patrol unit arrived on scene 1204--Address changed from Florissant to Coppercreek at Canefield 1204--Unit dispatched 1210--Unit dispatched 1211--Arrived on scene 1211--Event category changed from police service to domestic/in progress 1211--Event category changed from domestic/in progress to disturbance/in progress
etc..
What seems fairly clear is that the police narrative requires officers on scene very quickly after the incident and no 40-minute delay in reporting or response. Parent
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12:07 the County Police get the call, 12:10 EMT passing by checks the body as seen on the video, and then the County Police begin arriving at 12:15 as seen on video.
So then when the County Police arrive on the scene where is Officer Wilson and where is his SUV????
We see the body on the ground as County Police arrive but no Ferguson SUV and no officer Wilson.
Were both already back at the Ferguson police station by then???
Were they trying to avoid the County Police???
Maybe they had some more work to do -- on his injuries and on his story??
It was not until 12:43 p.m. that detectives from the county police force were notified of the shooting, according to county police records. ... The detectives arrived around 1:30, and an hour later, a forensic investigator ... Parent
So here's what we learn:
Though the County Police begin arriving on the scene at 12:15 after being called at 12:07, officer Wilson didn't call them to report the officer involved shooting, as is required by law, until 12:43 and where he was by then one can only surmise.
http://www.talkleft.com/comments/2014/8/24/103021/540/21#21 Parent
Nice try at smearing a dead person, James, and minimizing the fact that he was no threat to anyone when he was killed.
Nice try and thinking we haven't heard of automobiles.
BTW - Can you show us a credible link with the birthdates?? Parent
We have them condemning a person because of where he is from.
We have them ignoring established facts that clearly go to the actions of Brown.
We have them publishing descriptions that include a fence that doesn't exist.
And what do you?? Complain that I watch FNC. Which, of course, you have no proof of.
And on and on... Parent
Pending the release of any official investigation in the matter, to speak of "established facts" is, in essence, an oxymoron. Parent
You may not have heard of the technology. Parent
In bizarro tea party land it's terrible to show up on a ranch of a proven criminal someone who has been through a court system and been proven guilty time and again and but it's okay to believe that someone is guilty automatically based on rumors not facts.
And if this police officer is such a bad judge of what is dangerouns and is not, he should be taken off the police force. He's not fit to be an officer.
The five-minute video released by ISIS, now the focus of intensive forensic analysis by British and American authorities, is narrated in part by the killer, wearing a black hood with eyeholes, who addresses the camera in English before putting a knife in his left hand to the journalist's throat. The video then skips ahead to show Mr. Foley's severed head atop his corpse in the sand, with what appears to be a different knife lying nearby. [Jeralyn ahead of the curve, as usual] Speculation among terrorism experts and the British news media has focused on a number of militants known to have joined ISIS, including a 24-year-old London rapper named Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary. Mr. Bary's father, Adel Abdel Bary, was extradited to the United from Britain in 2012 after a long legal battle to face terrorism charges in Al Qaeda's bombing of two American Embassies in East Africa in 1998.
Speculation among terrorism experts and the British news media has focused on a number of militants known to have joined ISIS, including a 24-year-old London rapper named Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary. Mr. Bary's father, Adel Abdel Bary, was extradited to the United from Britain in 2012 after a long legal battle to face terrorism charges in Al Qaeda's bombing of two American Embassies in East Africa in 1998.
The NYT story suggests that this is more a recuirtment video for British Militants, than anything else.. The fact that a Westerner did the deed, or may have done the deed, or probably did not do the deed but was a stand in for the Preview of the deed.
"Did you see what we can do? There is more!!" wrote one ISIS supporter monitored by SITE. Another wrote, "I was happy to see the beheading of that kaafir." Kaafir is the Arabic word for unbeliever. To judge by Twitter and other social media, "British militants have been impressed that this was done by a British guy," said Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the Royal United Services Institute and author of an upcoming book about Muslim extremists in Britain.
To judge by Twitter and other social media, "British militants have been impressed that this was done by a British guy," said Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the Royal United Services Institute and author of an upcoming book about Muslim extremists in Britain.
According to reports ... former ISIS hostages have given him the nickname "John the Beatle" -- because of his British accent.
Hmmmm... looks like TMZ is stretching things quite a bit..
From the Telegraph (also not the highest in the food chain)
Razul Islam is understood to be on a list of suspected British Jihadists whom the security services are comparing with the footage of Mr Foley's killer, a British man known as "John" described as the leader of a British cell of jihadists known as "The Beatles". Investigators will also be keen to rule out Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, 23, a former rapper from Maida Vale, west London, who went to Syria last year and later tweeted a picture of himself holding up a severed head. He has a similar accent to the man who killed Mr Foley, and has a similar build and skin tone.
Investigators will also be keen to rule out Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, 23, a former rapper from Maida Vale, west London, who went to Syria last year and later tweeted a picture of himself holding up a severed head. He has a similar accent to the man who killed Mr Foley, and has a similar build and skin tone.
Another rule proposed attempts to accommodate the Hobby Lobby case--a business that meets the definition of small, privately held, and not publicly traded. Such owners with religious objections would also be able to contact the government (directly) to express their objections. The proposed rule is subject to a comment period of 60-days.
These rules are unlikely to satisfy all objectors, but is more likely to comply with the Supreme Court as they follow almost to the letter the "rule suggestions" of the majority in its novel application of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act by its interpretation that the federal government may not "substantially burden a person's exercise of religion." Moreover, in my view, the redressing of a grievance to the government, even if not entirely responsive to the particular view, should not be a burdensome. Of course, if directness is to be the defining virtue, Congress should amend, or, preferably, repeal the RFRA.
You're kidding right??? What was there to fear???
The kid was unarmed except for a few cigarillos.
The cop was two inches taller than the kid with arms as long as rakes.
The kid ran leaving the cop in his car with his gun where all he had to do was close the door, roll up the window, and call for backup.
If he wanted to chase him down he had mace, pepper spray, baton, tazer, his own big size, and his buddies that should have been arriving on the scene if he followed protocol and called it in.
It was daytime and a nice residential neighborhood.
It wasn't fear that pulled that trigger but more like anger -- anger that the kid didn't hop to it and say "yessir" when bossman spoke.
"The straw that broke the camel's back, an officer shot at a female. She was stopped for a traffic violation. She had a child in the back [of the] car and was probably worried about getting locked up. And this officer chased her down Highway 70, past city limits, and took a shot at her. Just ridiculous." Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force, Stichnote said. One black resident, Cassandra Fuller, sued the department claiming a white Jennings police officer beat her in June 2009 on her own porch after she made a joke. A car had smashed into her van, which was parked in front of her home, and she called police. The responding officer asked her to move the van. "It don't run. You can take it home with you if you want," she answered. She said the officer became enraged, threw her off the porch, knocked her to the ground and kicked her in the stomach.
Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force, Stichnote said. One black resident, Cassandra Fuller, sued the department claiming a white Jennings police officer beat her in June 2009 on her own porch after she made a joke. A car had smashed into her van, which was parked in front of her home, and she called police. The responding officer asked her to move the van. "It don't run. You can take it home with you if you want," she answered. She said the officer became enraged, threw her off the porch, knocked her to the ground and kicked her in the stomach.
He turned around and ran towards Wilson.
Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.
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And yes, the arms swing back and forth with the front forward as people run. Parent
And it raises the question again as to why a presumably rational teen would run towards someone who is pointing a gun at them, and an LEO, to boot. Parent
I doubt you have fired a pistol. Parent
Would you run at a cop that had a gun aimed at your chest? Parent
Just so can the bottom-feeding, race-baiting Jim, with his portrayals of Obama with a bone in his nose, and claims of Holder ties to the Black Panthers, still set our hearts a flutter with his stentorian tones..
I think the CIA is busy though. They are busy keeping tabs on ISIL fighters, foreign fighters joining, gathering information on who the leaders are, are they all extremists? And we have NATO allies involved too. I would think it would be very difficult to run an operation meant to herd the President into something without him knowing it and not be discovered. Parent
Kurtz traces responsibility for the "Snowden Hoax" to a German website, www.shababek.de, and Kareem al-Baidani. Glenn Greenwald and others state there is no evidence in the Snowden cache that ISIS is linked to the CIA, Mossad or any other intelligence agency. Greenwald points to Ben Wizner, a lawyer with the ACLU, who retweets spy novelist Jeremy Duns. Duns provides a link to the Kurtz blog post claiming to document the "Snowden Hoax" and a lack of definitive evidence connecting ISIS to the CIA or Mossad and pointing back to Iranian propaganda.
Glenn Greenwald and others state there is no evidence in the Snowden cache that ISIS is linked to the CIA, Mossad or any other intelligence agency.
Greenwald points to Ben Wizner, a lawyer with the ACLU, who retweets spy novelist Jeremy Duns. Duns provides a link to the Kurtz blog post claiming to document the "Snowden Hoax" and a lack of definitive evidence connecting ISIS to the CIA or Mossad and pointing back to Iranian propaganda.
Global Research Parent
It's all about this one world conspiracy theory and they try to make every event fit into their nonsense. Parent
I will not be surprised if there is a Saudi connection to it. The Arab spring revolts may have led the Saudi monarchy to think that they may be a future domino to fall. They may therefore have encouraged the most extreme people in Saudi Arabia to go and create a Caliphate somewhere else to thwart a future rebellion within Saudi Arabia from these same elements. The Saudis are like Pakistan of the Middle East. They are officially our allies but more often than not support elements that are inimical to the principles we espouse or even our strategic interests based on realpolitik considerations. Here is a link about that country that shows why we should be concerned.
There is also a history that leads to my suspicions.link After the seizure of the Grand mosque in 1979, the Saudi monarchy spent billions of dollars to export Salafism around the globe in the following decades so that attention of jihadists would be occupied elsewhere instead of overthrowing the House of Saud. Parent
history of the snowmen hoax here. Parent
But: That is only "gut reaction" on my part. Parent
Snowmen hoax would have been much more interesting. Parent
That's where the change must start because without it we will either have more Brown's or we will learn to tolerate more Brown's.
You may want to learn about racism in the south and places like St. Louis.
Where things must change is White Power Police et al. believing that Black men and women are inferior race, who should be subjugated .
The nearby town of Jennings was forced to dismantle their entire PD because of abject racism. Wilson came from that PD.
When you have a town PD like Ferguson, that depends on traffic stops for 25% of their budget, and uses racial profiling to inform their traffic stops because black people are less likely to be able to afford an attorney to fight the charges and will be find per guilty charge, you have a problem that needs to change.
Racism is the problem here. People like Wilson are the problem, not victims like Brown.
Try this on.
You condemn others for judging people based on their skin color and yet you judge Wilson because of where he came from.
That is pure hypocrisy. Parent
Darren Wilson's Former Police Force Was Disbanded for Excessive Force and Corruption Parent
Can't catch on??
What does that make you? Parent
Our people of Birmingham are a peaceful people and we never have any trouble here unless some people come into our city looking for trouble. And I've never seen anyone yet look for trouble who wasn't able to find it.
Sounds like something you would say.. Parent
You know... exactly like Bull did.
The wheel has turned. Parent
That is the defensive cry of many white separatists.
Guess that puts you in the running for grand weasel.
Ever heard of video? Parent
Denial doesn't refute them. Parent
The statistics don't lie. They tell a tale of a police force that funds its budget on the backs of mostly poor black people.
It's not that the casual racism that still exists in the private sector is okay - it absolutely isn't - it's that the cretins who feel special because they can throw around the n-word, or post pictures of the president with a bone in his nose, don't have the power to affect people's lives in the same way as do people in positions of authority, and who, in this case, also happen to carry guns.
Whether you have or haven't seen more racism than others is irrelevant; it's that you foster it that matters.
And you can bet I'll condemn that all day long. Parent
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Four years ago the Ferguson PD arrested a man (later found to be mistaken identity,) beat him to a bloody pulp while in custody, forced him to stay in jail under barbaric conditions because there was no one available to arraign him, and, after being compelled to release him, charged him with, "property damage," or, "bleeding on their uniforms," caused by the beating they inflicted on him.
This would be too outlandish even for an Onion piece, yet, it seems to be true. Parent
The evidence speaks you as well as him.
Both of you remind me of some of the folks I grew up with.
I escaped.
To bad you have not. In fact, I doubt you've even tried. Parent
Over 90% of the Ferguson traffic stops are for Black people.
And that is typical of the policing in the area.
The town of Jennings racist PD is not an outlier, it is typical. Parent
If you want to argue that is the right thing to do please please please never claim that you are a liberal. Parent
From your scrapbook? Parent
There is no difference between judging Wilson because of where he comes from is no different that judging some one based on the color of his skin.
As Dr. King said.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Parent
How about the cops at Jennings? Did they get a raw deal. Parent
Still not a real word, but closer. Parent
* Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC) One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)
We really should do something about that sometime. Remind me.