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Tuesday Morning Open Thread

Tonight the first Democratic debate is being held in Las Vegas. The big unknown is whether CNN will create an animatronic Joe Biden to appear at the debate.

Other possible questions - Mrs Clinton, how do you react to President Obama calling your use of a private email server a "mistake?" My suggested answer - the President also called the Benghazi committee a political hit job.>/p>

To Sanders - why did you just become a Democrat? Not sure how to answer that one.

I'll live blog the debate tonight. It starts at 830 pm I think.

Open Thread.

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    Under GOP debate polling rules (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:01:26 AM EST
    There would only be two candidates on the stage tonight, and only one Democrat.

    Let's see... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:06:48 AM EST
    Clinton, Sanders, and a Biden hologram or Matz, Granderson, and Cespedes putting Kershaw and the Dodgers to bed?

    I'd like to watch, but I'm afraid the debate doesn't rate...Let's Go Mets!  

    Yeah, I'll watch after the Cubs game (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:45:36 AM EST
    unless I am celebrating too hard for a downer!

    Go Cubs and Mets! Let's wrap it up tonight with the also-rans and set our date.

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    CUBBIES! (none / 0) (#72)
    by Towanda on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:26:03 PM EST
    I could hardly watch the last inning, so nerve-wracking -- and knowing that the Cards have gone big in the last inning, before.  But. . . .

    CUBBIES!

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    Yes! It was a nail biter - never over till the (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:46:44 PM EST
    last out with the Cubbies.

    YAY!!!!

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    And Utley will be (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:19:41 AM EST
    "in uniform."

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    And parked on the bench... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:30:11 AM EST
    with our lefty on the hill, unless Mattingly sends him up to pinch hit against a righty reliever.  In which case, if it's a close game, I hope we wait till next year to plant a fastball up his arse.  No rush, revenge is a dish best served cold anyways...we've got a NL pennant to win;)

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    Dodgers broadcast last night: (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:47:20 AM EST
    "I have to say the Dodgers aren't playing well tonight."

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    Gotta agree (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:25:27 AM EST
    Debates are only useful where simeone says something outrageous or misspeaks.  No real concrete details are argued and it's turning more and more into theater.

    Go Mets!

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    in 1960; the Rick Perry moment (none / 0) (#8)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:34:18 AM EST
    In the 1960 debates, Nixon seemed to be sweating and acting under pressure . . . supposedly this helped incline people to vote for JFK

    Since we had the Cuban Missile crisis . . . and since I think that Nixon would have managed to have blown the world to bits

    the debates in 1960 might have been a good thing.

    A few years ago, Rick Perry was on the stage and says there are 3 agencies I am about to get rid of . . . blah, blah and uh, uh . . .

    It was pretty funny . . . but it also indicated that Perry believed so little in his own cause that he did not know it well enough to tell others the story . . .

    In the Repub debates, we have managed to have Fiorina make what seem to be false allegations about some video or videos--though the truth is still being debated--and Trump allege that we shouldn't have her as pres because of how her business did when she was ceo . . .  oh, boy . . .

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    Thus proving my point (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:49:31 AM EST
    In 1960, they actually debated real world issues.

    Nowadays, it's "gotcha theater" and who can get the best zinger in.

    The fact that there is an audience at a Vegas hotel should tell you all you need to know.

    At least, I expect this will be auch more grown up debate.

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    On Vegas productions... (none / 0) (#57)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:17:01 PM EST
    Even for such a political breed such as myself, it is challenging to cut through all the lights, glitz that even primary election debates have become. Turning on the CBS news this morning after walk/run with my dog, I caught John Dickerson's political remarks midstream as he smilingly observed that CNN had prepared an empty podium at the ready should VP Biden decide to participate ... Dickerson then added, almost laughing, that he was surprised CNN hadn't cut a hole in the ceiling so that the VP could be lowered from a helicopter if he decided at the last minute.  Nice to find that Dickerson has a sense of humor, and a sense of perspective.

    In 1992, one of the Democratic primary debates was held in Denver. My husband, my sister, and myself were fortunate enough to be invited.  As I recall, there were 9 contenders on stage downtown; no bands, no parades, no preening TV star questioners--only an ordinary stage with candidates and the foremost Denver TV anchor at the time (Ed Sardella) posing the questions with back to an anonymous, quiet audience in a darkened theatre.  FWIW, neither I nor husband can recall one "gotcha" question being posed--it really was about issues.  Side note: The three of us entered preparing to support Paul Tsongas in the primary ... then, we saw and heard candidate Bill Clinton (& enjoyed short conversation later)... and, based on that debate, our support became Bill Clinton support from that day forward.

    It really would be something to watch an issues-oriented debate, wouldn't it?!?

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    Good luck, kdog (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:11:44 PM EST
    My Redbirds are in desperate straits...climate change caused a gale to blow to right field last night and the Cubbies rode it to one game away from the big show...

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    That's Wrigley for ya... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:54:56 PM EST
    pitchers park one minute, hitters park the next...all we are is dust in the wind.

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    Who needs animatronics? Use an empty chair. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:21:13 AM EST


    The competition: Trump (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59:47 AM EST
    will live tweet tonight's debate.

    Trump's going to live-tweet the debate... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:01:17 PM EST
    so that should be a hoot-and-a-half.

    I guess he just can't stand it when something's not about him; hope his act doesn't end up stealing the thunder, but I'm sure that's why he's doing it.

    Maybe Ben Carson will rush the stage.

    I'll watch, mainly because I like to come to my own conclusions, and not the ones the media wants me to come to.

    If, somehow, CNN can avoid making it about non-existent scandals, and keep to matters of policy and vision, that would be a plus - and maybe, having been caught with their pants down on the Jeb Bush operative plant, they'll be more attentive to actual facts and substance.

    We might do better with animatronic debate moderators...


    Carson won't rush the stage (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:13:54 PM EST
    because he knows none of the Demos will have a gun....lol

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    His "hypothetical" courage (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:46:20 PM EST
    ... and detailed description of what HE would do if he ever found himself in an armed confrontation, a situation that called for a hero and a leader like...himself, stands in stark contrast to his anecdotal example of being threatened by a gunman, and calmly helping the armed miscreant choose a more worthwhile, and much lower paid target.

     

    "I have had a gun held on me when I was in a Popeyes," Carson said Thursday on SiriusXM radio about an incident years ago at a Baltimore fast food restaurant.

    "The guy comes in, put the gun in my ribs," he added. "And I just said, `I believe that you want the guy behind the counter.'"

    He was probably planning to rush the gunman as soon as the criminal turned his attention to the cashier, but then he noticed that his shoe was untied, and by the time he had it tied and looked up, the shooting was over.  Or something.  Funny, he never elaborated on how he then took out the thug.

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    You need to (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:45:45 PM EST
    check with Fiorina on the details.  She may have a video of Carson organizing (although not easy for Republicans to do) the Popeye diners for their suicide rush armed with sharp chicken bones.

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    Or maybe (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:25:29 PM EST
    Biden, the maybe-maybe-not non-candidate, will parachute in at the last second to join the debate.  ;-)

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    That this article from CNN (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    is referring to the debate as "fight night" doesn't bode well for how it's going to be handled; and if you read the rest of the article, it's like they're trying, really, really hard, to make it into a pie fight.  And to pretend there will only be two people standing on that stage.

    More contention, more viewers, I guess.

    Here's a sample:

    The shadow boxing that Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have played at for months -- they've barely mentioned each other on the campaign trail -- will give way to more direct jabs Tuesday night.

    That's when the two rivals line up on stage at the first Democratic debate of the 2016 campaign, sponsored by CNN and Facebook. The encounter will provide a crucial opportunity for Clinton and Sanders -- the leading Democratic contenders -- to contrast their personalities, experience and approach to the key issues in the campaign.

    Make no mistake: if the media has to create contention, it will.

    In his article of Oct 12 (NYT), (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:55:22 PM EST
    Paul Krugman states "crazies have taken over the Republican Party, but the media don't want to recognize the reality."  

     It may be more accurate an observation to note that the media are covering up and conspiratorial in that reality.  It serves their purpose--ratings, advertising revenues.  And, the Democratic candidates, so far, offer nothing but policy discourse and civilized differences. Something needs to be done about that! Boring does not sell advertising time.

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    CNN (none / 0) (#19)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:06:32 PM EST
    is also happily chirping for a war between the US and Russia over Syria on their home page.

    Anything for ratings.

    I hate CNN.

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    Yes, CNN (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:24:26 PM EST
    realized its insane coverage of the missing Malaysia Airline Flight 370 was really its way of the future.  Anything and everything was tried to make a tragic event into a long-running breaking news story. Holograms, toy planes, and the supernatural.  Insane, yes. But, immune from criticism and ridicule--like Halloween slasher movies, always a market for the scary and teenager's bad judgment.

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    Wait what? (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by masslib on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:22:30 PM EST
    Today he is a Democrat?

    I won't hold it against him... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:56:21 PM EST
    Two party duopoly, whaddya gonna do;)

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    CNN just put up a map of (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:08:46 PM EST
    WHO is being talked about on Facebook, and Donald Trump's color is orange. Why orange (snicker)? Why not gray? Or a light yellow...sort of a blonde color?

    Cubs win!!!!!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:57:55 PM EST
    OMG! Cubs beat the Cards 6-4.

    Okay, Mets. Finish the Dodgers off tonight, and we'll see you on Saturday.

    My brotherinlaw (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:16:35 PM EST
    A Cardinals fan, does not share your enthusiasm.

    He is on suicide watch.

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    Well, that's not good, Capt. (none / 0) (#73)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:28:08 PM EST
    Maybe remind him that this is baseball which means there's always next year.

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    Yeah, about time for the Cards to have to (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:48:36 PM EST
    say that for a few dozen years!

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    Not meant to be... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:21:05 AM EST
    we got Kershawed but good for 7, and couldn't get to the bullpen either.  Brutal.

    Onto to Game 5 and better luck against Greinke...we'll have our top man deGrom on the hill.  Ya Gotta Believe!  

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    deGrom v Greinke (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:54:59 AM EST
    The kid vs the veteran.
    Both in the top 5 for ERA among starters in the NL.
    Game 7 excitement in a best of 5.
    Should be edge of your seat fun.

    Meaningless note: They were born only about 45 miles from each other in Florida. Something in the water?

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    ooof... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:22:28 PM EST
    Clinton says she doesn't regret her vote for the so-called "Patriot Act".

    G'bye.

    Low point, no doubt (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:28:37 PM EST
    I was out of the room for that one (none / 0) (#80)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:50:10 PM EST
    You (none / 0) (#81)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:58:02 PM EST
    missed a blood-curdling moment.

    That is the Hillary Clinton who voted for the Iraq resolution.
    Still ticking.

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    To Be Clear... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:14:08 AM EST
    ...she qualified it with basically saying the Bush Admin took it way too far, whatever section they were discussing, 215 ?

    Not excusing her, but to not add her comments isn't representing her view.  But it's still a Jeb moment, when all that we know now, she seems to indicate she would do it again.

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    I'm leaving for SoCal tonight. (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 06:07:07 PM EST
    My cousin, who's been battling leukemia (AML) for the last four-plus years, has been in the hospital this past week, and our family's just learned that her disease has returned with a vengeance, and it's likely terminal.

    Since she's already had two bone marrow transplants that have quite evidently failed to take hold, her immune system has basically become non-functional and she's been given the word by doctors that there's really nothing more that they can do for her except for experimental drugs. She has therefore decided to forgo further treatment, and return home.

    She's only three weeks older than me, and we were both born in the same hospital. We grew up together, and attended the same schools until eighth grade. So, we've been each other's emotional touchstones for our entire lives. While she's not a sibling, in my heart she is my sister.

    They're releasing her from the hospital this afternoon. I'm absolutely heartbroken right now, because despite our respective health problems I had always assumed that we would grow old together, and only a few months ago we started talking about going to Europe next summer together to celebrate our wellness. That's not going to happen.

    Now, I just want to be with her and hold her. I just talked to my aunt about a half-hour ago, who's normally a pillar of stoicism, and in all these many years, this was the very first time I've ever heard her break down emotionally. My mother's very sad, too, because her niece is also her namesake.

    So, I've made reservations to fly out tonight, and I'm going to sign off here for a few days at least and focus all my energy and thoughts on my family. I'll talk to you guys soon, and keep you posted. This is just terrible news.

    Aloha. And please give a hug to your family tonight.

    How sad. But good that you (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    will be able to be with her and your family.

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    Very sad (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 07:46:51 PM EST
    Good vibes are yours.  
    We are still getting used to my "new" sister.
    It's strange.  You can talk with fir hours and not know anything was off.  Then she will start talking in the present tense about someone who has been dead for years.

    I've gotten quite used to it.  I'm very grateful to have her in whatever altered state she is in.  She is herself in every way that's important .   She just has no short term memory and seems to slip in time occaisionally.

    It's not that bad a deal really.  Considering.

    Just be there as much as you can.

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    Oh, Donald, I am so sorry (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:09:15 PM EST
    this is happening. Being with your cousin and your family is exactly where you need to be right now.

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    Your sadness transcends time & space (none / 0) (#95)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 06:23:19 PM EST
    And so does the closeness, the love and the closeness.

    My heart goes out to you, Donald. Hold her close now; and, know that you will always hold her.

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    Really sorry Donald (none / 0) (#101)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:11:55 PM EST
    Good to get some much needed family time. I'm sure they will appreciate your presence. Our best to you and yours.

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    Oh, Donald...I remember your writing about (none / 0) (#102)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:12:14 PM EST
    your cousin, and I'm so sorry to hear this terribly sad news.

    I'm glad you will be able to have this time with her, to say all the things that need to be said, laugh and cry and help her - and yourself and your aunt - find that place of peace where it's okay to let go.

    Will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers.

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    Travel safe Donald (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    May peace and comfort find you and yours.

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    Peace (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:21:54 PM EST
    be with you Donald.

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    Thoughts and prayers, Donald. (none / 0) (#121)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 12:34:12 AM EST
    Thoughts and prayers.

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    You won't be reading these (none / 0) (#122)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 07:50:40 AM EST
    messages for a few days, but all of our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family at this difficult time.
    Hug your cousin.  And her mother.  
    I'm glad that you are with them at this difficult time.
    Peace be with you.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#127)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:42:51 AM EST
    My GF went through this with her father a while back, and to me the hardest thing was the ups & down, one day he is doing great, gonna live for years, the next, get home he is on his death's door.  It went on for about a year.

    While I am not a religious person, I think the only thing that kept my GF from going insane was her faith, so let's hope it will aid you in finding some comfort in this time of despair.  

    May god be with you and you family.

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    Funny anecdote (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by CST on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:40:44 AM EST
    I was having a conversation with some friends about Joe Biden, and mentioned that he was responsible for the fact that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy.

    One of my friends said "yea but voters over 30 aren't gonna care about that".

    Then he stopped for a second and said "wait, all of us are over 30 now aren't we".

    Yes, yes we are.

    ok, different question re becky g song . . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:05:00 AM EST
    I listen to some "popular" music on the radio.  I am sure if any of the rest of you do so . . . Perhaps you only listen to classical music or to NPR!  (I actually listen to some of those at times also . . . but mostly popular music at this time.)

    Is there any of the rest of those who post here who listen to "pop" music here?  and, if so . . .

    There is the newer song out by Becky G Break a sweat.

    And in the lyrics there are these lines . . .

    Let's go, let's go
    You been talking all damn night, now it's time to show

    And that would be somewhat normal, but when I heard it on the radio-- and before I checked the lyrics online--the word "talking" sounds a bit different.  

    Do you folks here it also, or is my imagination being overactive, or do nearly all of you simply not listen to such new pop songs that come out?

    I hope you can forgive the topic . . . I suppose it rates up there in importance with college football and basketball games . . . and maybe it upsets you less than discussions of private servers or of Jews and gun control and of rushing armed attackers . . .

    Of course, maybe Howard Stern finds a way to corrupt some of the music I heard of siriusxm radio when I am driving . . . maybe there is a vast satanic conspiracy to put inappropriate lyrics in the songs of important role models for youth (Becky G, for example) . . .

    Go Whigs! An urgent case (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:04:29 PM EST
    for the end of the Republican Party:  David Brooks (NYT Oct 13, 2015) the conservative pundit, sets forth the clear and present danger of the Republican party in his essay "The Incompetence Caucus."

     Brooks states "The Republican Party's capacity for effective self-governance degraded slowly, over the course of a long chain of rhetorical excesses, mental corruptions and philosophical betrayals.  

    Basically, the party abandoned traditional conservatism for right-wing radicalism.  Republicans came to see themselves as insurgents and revolutionaries, and every revolution tends toward anarchy and ends up devouring its own."

    "The Republican rhetorical tone has grown ever more bombastic, hyperbolic and imbalanced.  Public figures from Newt Gingrich through Ben Carson have become addicted to a crisis mentality.  Every setback, like the passage of Obamacare, became the ruination of the republic. Comparisons to Nazi Germany became a staple."

    "This anti-political ethos produced elected leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence."  ..."Really, have we ever seen bumbling on this scale, people at once so cynical and so naive, wo willfully ignorant in using levers of power to produce some tangible if incremental good? These insurgents can't even acknowledge democracy's legitimacy--"  ..."They won't respect tradition, institutions or precedent.  These figures are masters at destruction but incompetent at construction."   These insurgents are incompetent at governing and unwilling to be governed."

    Brooks rightly blurs the "incompetent caucus" with the party. They have become at one with each other. Brooks, the conservative, and often apologist for the Republican party is telling us something. Wake up, America. Don't you smell the danger?

     In the interest of the country, the Republican party should just go away. Try to start over. Perhaps, in 100-years, a new, responsible party will emerge from the ashes.

     And, no Republican candidate for president should be considered to lead the country until the party itself has been renovated and refurbished. Even, a candidate that may appear rational will face irrationals not unlike that which awaits some hapless Speaker who gets the job.

     When the electorate weds a president, it gets the in-laws and extended family--for good or not. Based on Brooks compelling analysis of his own party in-laws, it is a "not."

    The TeaParty/GOP control everything in Michigan (none / 0) (#60)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:32:52 PM EST
    It is a train wreck.

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    Decision-time for David Brooks? (none / 0) (#64)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:53:28 PM EST
    Haven't you noticed that David Brooks has been flirting with his own conclusions for weeks, months?  IMO, the latest column marks an actual step forward for him ... a bit more than his usual semi-warning to his Repub colleagues to consider the negative ramifications for the party and other Repubs if they continue to grow further & further apart from the American polity-- almost now a complete statement of "you have gone too far, oh party of mine."  Eventually, of course, Brooks will have to determine if he continues to pull back & get in line OR whether he cannot support his old party anymore.

    I think that--even with how far to the edge the ultra-conservative types have traversed--people like David Brooks may not be able to make that break.  After all, he seems to be bred a classical northeast Republican -- with a focus on economics and foreign policy in the classical sense of the term. Recently, former General and SOS Colin Powell said something similar to Brooks, only to clarify later that he wasn't planning on leaving the party (but staying because it drove the crazies crazy.) When the blips or first instances of a political party's lunge into lunacy appear to become the permanent norm, the choices hurt.

    IMO, the critical dilemma for those Repubs who may have been trying to "wait it out," has intensified in the past year to such a stage where it is clear to all that the old "norm" is long gone. Will any of those who waited take the decisive step toward formalizing the split, the schism? Who/what group gets to call themselves Republican? Or will it be left to the wind?

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    Brooks seems (none / 0) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 04:07:00 PM EST
    devastated by his party going off the cliff.  He has been hoping against hope, but reality set in. His column burnt a bridge.  But, his career has been based on being the conservative voice at the NYT.  Maybe, he got a message from the NYT higher-ups to blow the whistle in hopes of restoring sanity.  

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    In truth (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 04:59:14 PM EST
    There is a simple solution for this.   If someone had the spine to do it.  

    Drop the Hastert rule.  Make a deal with Nancy to actually govern if the dens will give him (or her) the votes to ignore a "vacate the chair" BS and keep a republican speaker in the chair as long as sh!t gets done and things are brought up for a fair vote.

    An idea radical in its simplicity

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    It (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 05:01:48 PM EST
    seems to be getting huge play on social media not sure whether it's conservatives or liberals that are pushing it though.

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    A big Joe Biden commercial was just (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:43:26 PM EST
    On CNN. At the end it stated it was not authorized by the candidate.  

    Just bizarre. How much did someone pay for that commercial? Is he going to magically appear on the stage tonight? Is that even possible? Is his paperwork all in order to run?

    He's not appearing (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 12:48:59 PM EST
    He's not running. The unemployed head of Draft Biden is just about out of business.

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    They just ran it again (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:15:37 PM EST
    Using up what's left of the money? Couldn't they give it to someone else?

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    It would be an interesting experiment (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:23:32 PM EST
    Run Biden ads during the debate, then check all the poll numbers tomorrow and see if Biden's numbers improve more than any of the declared candidates that participated in the debate. We may see the first all-ad candidacy.

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    The (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:23:17 PM EST
    head of Draft Biden needs to find another job I think.

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    So, if he runs an ad today (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:27:01 PM EST
    He draws another paycheck? His son-in-law is running the CNN Biden account? What's the motivation for running these very expensive ads today? Is there no method? Only madness?

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    Trying (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 01:54:59 PM EST
    to create some artificial demand for Biden I'm guessing.

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    Throwing good money after bad :) (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:04:28 PM EST
    It's just me, but I think making sound financial decisions looks better on your resume. He's only succeeding in making himself appear self serving and ethics challenged.

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    Really (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:22:14 PM EST
    He's becoming the butt of jokes at this point. Will Biden run or won't he? Like the old Clairol ads does she or doesn't she?

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    If Biden doesn't show tonight (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:48:15 PM EST
    What are those who aren't political junkies supposed to make of these commercials today? Aren't today's donors going to be a little pissed?

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    Doubly So... (none / 0) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:27:42 PM EST
    ...when you consider Bide asked them to stop last week.
    Vice President Joe Biden hopes that a new ad from unaffiliated supporters promoting his potential presidential candidacy does not air, a person close to him said Thursday.
    LINK

    Not sure if that was specific to one ad or any ad.

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    Ouch (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:51:22 PM EST
    Who would ever want you collecting and supporting them after this?

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    What candidate? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:24:37 PM EST
    Honestly, some people simply have way too much time on their hands, while others apparently have way too much money to waste in pursuit of such a fool's errand.

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    While I'm snickering about Donalds orange (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:14:40 PM EST
    Would everyone please please please stop tattooing eyebrows and lip liner on themselves? The older we get the weirder those tattoos look, and the lip liner stops matching any shade of lipstick you would put on there. And I can't quit staring at your stark eyebrow tattoo. But at least you think I'm looking you in eye, that has value :)

    get off (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:18:32 PM EST
    my lawn :)

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    Whose face are you looking at? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:24:25 PM EST
    Funny story - you know how, when you have little kids, it is almost a given that they will not only spot the unusual about a person, but feel compelled to ask you about it in their clear-as-a-bell, can-hear-it-all-the-way-in-the-back-of-the-store voices?

    Had that experience with one of mine, who spotted a woman who had apparently shaved off her eyebrows and penciled in something no one has ever seen on a living human being..."Mommy...why does that lady have those kind of eyebrows?"

    My fallback answer to all of these kinds of questions was along the lines of, "well, I'm not sure.  Why are your eyebrows the way they are?  You and I don't have the same kind of eyebrows, so I guess she's just different - just like you and me."

    If I was lucky, that was the end of it, and a kind smile directed at the object of my kids' attention usually helped the awkward go away, but geez...those are the challenging moments, when you realize you have an opportunity to teach your kid something, if you can just figure out in a split-second, the right way to do it...

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    Remember the herd thing...where (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:45:25 PM EST
    Women all got those tattoos? I was still able to lightly pencil in so I would not go. But one of my family members my age broke and got the eyebrow tattoo recently. I don't care how trendy permanently drawing on my face gets, you can't wash it off. Ten yrs down the road, the lip liner is not the same color. It goes to purple...almost black. This is IMO not a good look :) And once you have that stark line for a brow, you can't feather one in that covers it it seems. Nope...nope, ask for better pencils and clingy pigments (which they have done now). I'll fake it that way for as long as I can, when it ceases to work I probably won't care if I have eyebrows. Just less hair on my face to police up.

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    Reminds me of a time I went to Home Depot (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by vicndabx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:54:25 PM EST
    my at the time 3 year old and I along w/her older sister were in Home Depot.  One of the employees was handicapped  - he had no arms.  I mean nothing from either shoulder down.  Both of my kids saw him when we first came in the store as he was near the entrance.  My eldest daughter - Dad! DAD! that guy doesn't have any arms!  Shush! I told her, we don't talk about people out loud like that.

    Fast forward 10 minutes while I'm in the plumbing section looking for push on connectors - who comes up asking if he can help?  You guessed it.  The three year old sitting in the cart turns to him, looks him up and down and says w/a bit of a sly eye whilst pointing - "you don't have no arms.....'

    Needless to say, I could think of nothing to say.  Brown I am, but was for sure quite red & hot in that moment.  Fortunately for me, the worker was quite gracious in his response.  "I lost them in an accident."  The gentleman was quite helpful actually.  

    True story.

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    My son is noticeably different (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:02:47 PM EST
    And everyone with the same disorder is gathering online with their families. From what I have read from those with such noticeable differences, they usually don't mind when children are full of questions. It is normal. Most prefer talking to the kids vs. all of us telling our little ones to pretend they don't see something different. People pretend to not see them all the time. We do it out of what we feel is a courtesy, but it has an isolating affect on many of those who have physical differences.

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    In retrospect (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by vicndabx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:06:22 PM EST
    I was glad he came over to help.  A teachable moment for my kids on many levels.  Key takeaway  - don't be an a$$ towards those that are different from you.

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    Did those push on connectors work for (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:03:51 PM EST
    You? We have high water pressure at our house. They failed.

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    Yes, they did. (none / 0) (#51)
    by vicndabx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:13:18 PM EST
    I'm kinda anal about research and how to's online.  Sharkbite was the brand I used.  I made sure to follow the instructions (not implying you didn't) from the videos on their website..  Still on my cold water line over a year later w/no issues.  May be my pressure is lower - but they were a quick easy fix for a pinhole leak I came across.

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    We tried sharkbite too (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:52:34 PM EST
    The water coming into the house is coming downhill off the main. We need to install a regulator but the city shut off valve won't close all the way nor will they repair it. Welcome to Alabama.

    Everything in Alabama has to be built to code now though. I suppose I could approach the city again.

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    Maybe a... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:29:28 AM EST
    pressure reducing valve installed after the shut off valve to your house will do the trick?

    The better quick connects are rated up to 150 psi...that's alotta water pressure.

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    I don't even want to tell you (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:15:48 AM EST
    This kdog. You must remember there was no building code in Alabummer until about 18 mos ago. There was no shutoff valve installed for the house. The only shutoff that exists is from the main, and it won't close all the way anymore.

    I know...mind blowing. They cut the ground to everything here too when they install it. When they installed our $20,000 new AC unit for asthmatics, my husband stood overhead quietly while they wired it in. Sure enough, before he could even stop one of the workers, he cut the ground off the unit. My husband told him he would be repairing that immediately and wiring it in properly.

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    Good god... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:20:58 AM EST
    No shutoff valve?  Speechless.

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    I know (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:46:29 AM EST
    We had to make a repair where there was no shutoff. There is a small shutoff in the kitchen and bathrooms, but had to make a repair to a pipe ahead of a shutoff in the kitchen. We we had to close from the main, and because an outdoor spigot near where the water enters the house gets water first, my husband opened that valve as wide as it would go. We were then able to make the repair, while water gushed outside ;) You can't make the South up, it must be experienced.

    The city is too broke to fix the shutoff from the main :)

    This house isn't a shack either. Three retired Generals live in our subdivision. My son-in-law who installed many sprinkler systems in this subdivision says ours is not the only house with the only shutoff being from the main. These houses were all custom built. They also have no backflow preventers...can you imagine? We have one now, but most older irrigation systems in this subdivision don't.

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    Our family story along those lines... (none / 0) (#132)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 11:01:35 AM EST
    1968 or so my mom and my youngest brother, 3 or 4 yrs old at the time, were in a donut shop and a little person came in and got his donut and coffee, sat down. My mom was holding her breath to see what my brother would make of this, but he was quiet about it until they got in the car, and then said something about it. My mom explained he was a 'midget' the term in use at the time. Everything still fine. Then they realized they had left something in the shop and had to go back in, so in they went. The man had left in the meantime, or was in the bathroom....so my brother yells out: "Where's the pidget?".  Of course everyone in the shop about died.

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    And sometimes as a parent, it's best to ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:44:13 PM EST
    ... simply keep one's own mouth shut whenever the kids -- or grandkids now, in your case -- may be within earshot, because they have a tendency to repeat to others what they overhear you say. Like the time my younger daughter told her second-grade classmate that his very married father -- a co-worker of mine at the legislature -- had a girlfriend on the side. He went home and told his mother, who then came to me once she learned the source of that information, and she was quite distraught at the news. "Awkward moment" doesn't even begin to describe that self-inflicted predicament.

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    Shhhh, I haven't said it around the kids (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:08:32 PM EST
    Only online. Offline I'm just standing there quietly staring ermmmm....listening.

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    Okay (none / 0) (#63)
    by sj on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:44:47 PM EST
    But what's the verdict on tattooed eye-liner?

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    Probably the one thing worthwhile (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:00:55 PM EST
    And I don't know anyone who did it.

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    So, I guess NBC and the Donald have made up (none / 0) (#44)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:53:31 PM EST
    Trump will host SNL

    Tell me, who is surprised?

    WTF ? (none / 0) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:29:35 PM EST
    The University of Houston will host a Republican presidential candidate debate -- scheduled to be the final one before Super Tuesday -- on Feb. 26.

    It is scheduled as the final GOP debate before the crucial Super Tuesday primary contests in Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont and Virginia on March 1. All candidates who qualify are expected to participate in the debate, which will be presented in partnership with National Review magazine.
    LINK


    You should (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:31:45 PM EST
    go!

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    Michigan Woman Charged in Shots Fired... (none / 0) (#54)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 03:50:13 PM EST
    ...at Shoplifters

    A suburban Detroit woman is facing firearms charges after authorities say she shot at an SUV's tire to stop two shoplifters fleeing a Home Depot parking lot.

    Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez of Clarkston was charged Tuesday with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper said.

    The charge is a misdemeanor and carries a 90-day jail sentence upon conviction.

    The shooting occurred Oct. 6 in Auburn Hills, northwest of Detroit. The shoplifters got away, but two men were arrested a few days later and charged with retail fraud.



    LINK

    The funny thing, the vigilante with a gun didn't stop the unarmed shoplifters even after firing at their tires, all she did was put a whole lot of people in danger.

    This morning (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:18:40 PM EST
    Mark Halperin (sp?) said that he believed that Biden could  wait until January or February to decide if he is running or not.

    Just in case anyone thought that was going away.

    I heard (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:30:47 PM EST
    that earlier today. At this point it's a win/win for Biden. Otherwise nobody would be talking about him.

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    I still think he might say no (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:33:49 PM EST
    Right around Hillary's Benghazi performance on the 22nd.

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    Why then? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 04:40:06 PM EST
    The Benghazi committee has been exposed as hoax.

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    I suggested before (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:17:08 PM EST
    That if he is doing what he is doing for "good" reasons, like giving the press something to talk about besides Hillary's email, he might call it around that time.

    Or not.

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    Always remember..... (none / 0) (#103)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:13:20 PM EST
    Halperin is not the sharpest tack in the box.

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    Did you see (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:23:09 PM EST
    the clip where he was following Hillary around and she was ignoring him? I laughed my head off at that one.

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    Heard it a couple of times since then (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:24:23 PM EST
    I think that's the new meme.  He can wait till after the first of the year.  Perhaps even until we see how some caucuses to go.

    Is this true?  I'm askin.  Can he wait that long?  I know there are deadlines coming but it's AHS night and I'm to high to google.   Deadlines for what?  

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    Each state has their own deadline (none / 0) (#106)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:32:04 PM EST
    for what has to be done to be on the ballot for their respective primary or caucus.

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    So (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:39:31 PM EST
    Early state deadlines are coming?

    How many can he miss ?

    I guess is the question


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    Here are a few (none / 0) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:16:16 PM EST
    I'm happy my candidate has people already putting her on the ballot everywhere.

    Here are the early ones I was able to find. Some are simple and some are complicated:

    Alabama Nov 6
    Arkansas Nov 9
    Michigan Nov 17
    New Hampshire Nov 20
    Louisiana Nov 20
    Florida Nov 30
    Illinois Nov 30
    Georgia Dec 1
    Kansas Dec 1
    Tennessee Dec 1
    Oklahoma Dec 2
    South Carolina Dec 7
    Texas Dec 10
    Virginia Dec 17
    Nevada Dec 18
    Michigan Dec 20
    Missouri Dec 30

    In addition, he has no money and no ground game and all the chatter is still only coming from the Draft Biden SuperPac which consists of some folks raising money and collecting salaries with nothing actually to do with Biden. It's quite similar to the Draft Warren group earlier in the year.

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    So in (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:29:43 PM EST
    other words Halperin is an idiot who also doesn't know how to fact check. Color me surprised---NOT.

    Biden only has a few weeks or he is going to start missing deadlines.

    However I think the whole draft Biden thing is driving this nonsense. Honestly if they think they are helping Biden they are not. They are really starting to tick people off at this point thinking that all of a sudden Biden can jump in after missing the first debate.

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    Based on that (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:32:30 PM EST
    I don't see hiw he waits till next year.   But I have heard that a couple of times today.    And it seemed like its was people who would understand filing deadlines.  But

    Whatever.  He's never going away.

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    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:57:49 PM EST
    about Iowa but I think the deadline for NH is sometime in December.

    I guess he could wait that long if he didn't want to actually be on a ballot until Super Tuesday or perhaps later.

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    Tweety says (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:18:38 PM EST
    Wayne Newton is going to be on with him later tonight.  No doubt the nation is holding its breath to hear from Wayne.

    He's still alive! (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:47:21 PM EST
    I learn something new every day.

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    My second husbands brother (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:44:47 PM EST
    Used to get perfumed letters from Wayne.

    True fact

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    Watch a dead party flail (none / 0) (#67)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:37:05 PM EST
    If a single, genuinely politically imaginative word is uttered tonight, I'll die of shock. There hasn't been an original political idea in this nation in decades. And I guarantee, with a Republican party off its rocker entirely, the Dems will blow yet another opportunity to set themselves apart and sane, creative, and correct. They'll be dull, by the book, and as entertaining to the mind and heart as a gas station restroom. All the obvious things will be said. The no so obvious? Never. Effing morons that "my" party is.

    Are (none / 0) (#69)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:57:38 PM EST
    you kidding me? With the rise of Sanders and Hillary tacking hard left the winds are favorable for some serious progressive messaging.

    Not that the media will pay much mind to it.

    Cubbies win !

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    Sanders reply is easy, come on, jeez (none / 0) (#68)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 06:43:30 PM EST
    "Because the financially corrupt two-party system in this nation makes it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to effectively run outside that system. So I joined because the broken system forced me to if I wanted to change anything, but I am NOT raising money in that party system style. Elect me and watch that system get flushed down the toilet and replaced with this thing called fair and democratic elections in which bribery is not the first requirement for election."

    Really? It's that hard to explain??? Not even.

    the gifts from Hitler . . . (none / 0) (#77)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:14:17 PM EST
    modern computers and computing

    and perhaps, slightly also,

    Wing chun for the rest of the world . . .

    This is for Howdy (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 07:15:39 PM EST
    since I couldn't respond on the other thread. I agree with you about Trump. The guy is not stupid. The thing is and this is what people don't realize is that Trump knows exactly what he is doing. A lot of people around left wing blogs don't get it because they've not been existing on diet of right wing radio and Fox News. Perhaps living here makes it easier for me to understand but I do understand.

    Well..... (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 07:55:30 PM EST
    I certainly think he is smart.  The thing I get from many people is that they don't understand who supports him.  I think, being where we are geographically,we may be exposed to more Trump supporters than urbanites.   I don't know about you, I am.
    There is an idea that his supporters are all stupid hicks.  They are not.   People are supporting him for all kinds of reasons.  I personally know very smart educated well paid and informed people who support Trump because he is first and foremost a big middle finger to the powers that be.

    However you personally feel about him it's undeniable that they are as terrfied of him as we are.  I believe we underestimate that appeal at our peril.

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    I Think You Misunderstood My Comment... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 10:34:25 AM EST
    ...and I also think you are conflating his business prowess with winning the popularity vote.

    Trump is not the smartest guy in any room.

    Henry Ford was an idiot, but he built an empire that far exceeds Trump's.  Not that I am comparing the two, but being successful doesn't equate to being smart.  The idea that because he is winning the hearts and minds of people because he has some well thought strategy, is absurd.  I am sure there are plenty of reasons he is doing it, but I doubt he would be any less/more popular if his IQ was 130 or 70.

    And now that he has landed back on Earth is holding his tongue, he is 1 point above the other lunatic, Carson, who seems to be following the Trump path to political sucess, say crazy sh1t.


    Carson Trails Trump By Only 1 Percent In Fox News Poll

    Both clearly demonstrate, to me, that anyone who can say offense and absurd things will get strong support in the GOP.

    IMO if Trump doesn't go back to being bombastic and obnoxious, he is done.  That is neither a sign of his intelligence or his legitimacy, it's a sign of how devoid the republican party is of anything even remotely resembling humanity.

    Hell, they probably love you if you started ranting about deporting mexicans, blowing up Syria and Iran, building walls to keep foreigners out, shooting the ones who remain, and tossing in the n-word in every speech.  I that is a sign of intelligence, then call Mensa, because there is an over abundance of geniuses in the republican party.

    The fact is we don't how smart Trump is, what we do have is his actions and words, and those in no way lead to the conclusion you are making.

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    There are different kinds of intelligence (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 04:03:15 PM EST
    you an be a genius bomb maker or a fiendishly shrewd shyster lobbyist and still be morally and emotionally retarded to the point of psychopathy..

    Trump is a seasoned operator who understands show business and is acute enough to understand that his fans crave a bellicose loudmouth to tell them what to do and maybe show them how to get rich and not much else.

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    Yes, exactly (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 04:29:45 PM EST
    And you can be a genius, extremely talented neurosurgeon without having any idea about how to run a country, as well.

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    A neurologist of my aquaintance (none / 0) (#137)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    says neurosurgeons are idiots.  Before Carson began spewing nonsense I dismissed my aquaintance's comments as professional jealousy.

    Now I believe him.

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    Oh, yeah. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 08:06:16 PM EST
    He's largely big with the tea party contingent here but that's not everybody who supports him for sure. He's a great salesman. He's a millionaire New Yorker who's convinced people in rural Georgia that he's "one of them". The irony is that any other New Yorker probably would never be able to pull off that stunt.

    And the thought that anyone can beat him? I don't think so. He's very good at managing media and knows how to work it. The attraction for a lot of people is the fact that he's not a politician and the fact that yeah, he's giving the finger to the GOP establishment that has been feeding them BS for about three decades now.

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    "Middle finger to the powers that be" (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:19:17 AM EST
    Seth McFarlen introducing Bernie at a rally-

    "...while it would be way funnier if Trump won, it would be far better for the health of the country if Bernie Sanders is the next president of the United States."

    I think that's my point.   Right there.  Based on your own experience with our voting population which do you think will be chosen more.

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    Neither in the GE (none / 0) (#124)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:21:24 AM EST
    I have no doubt (none / 0) (#128)
    by CST on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:43:33 AM EST
    That his support is real and pervasive in a lot of places.

    Let me ask you this though - were any of them Obama supporters?

    Because frankly, if we can keep the Obama coalition, Trump's level of support doesn't really matter.

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    No (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2015 at 09:23:52 AM EST
    And on the whole not many I suspect.  
    No, I don't think we have yooooug general election worries.

    As long as it's Hillary.

    Any of the others, including Biden, I would be far less confident.

    Personally.

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    I'm generally... (none / 0) (#129)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 10:27:39 AM EST
    a fan of the "f*ck you powers that be!" candidate, but not this "f*ck you" candidate.

    I think those that support and enjoy his candidacy now as a form of protest jump ship if and when they enter the voting booth in Nov. 2016.  It's all fun and games now, different story when it's time to give somebody the nuclear football.

    Bernie has a similar problem...his support is drawn primarily from people who generally don't see the point in voting, people who have given up on being represented in government, people who hate politics.  Getting their disenfranchised supporters to register and vote is their biggest challenge. And I think Bernie will do better in that regard than Donald.

    Not to mention Bernie and Donald are drawing some support across party lines and from independents, closed primary states will also be a problem for both of them.  

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    I'm half way through (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:06:41 PM EST
    The final season of The Wire.  I hope there are more happy endings than seem possible.  

    Please don't tell me.  But it feels like things are about to go terribly wrong.    Hope I'm wrong.

    I finished on Friday (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 12:17:54 AM EST
    I can't imagine waiting all week for each episode. While watching season 4 and 5 people in this house  ate cold pizza, and they were grateful :) I also accidently threw a slew of my favorite things off my DVR downloading all the episodes too. Still worth it :)

    I have never lived "inner city", I visit, that's as close as I have ever desired to get.

    The Wire is a work of art, life imitates it. I am a more aware person after watching it.

    If you could download kdog, you might get by not watching The Wire. Since we can't download kdog though, we will have to watch The Wire and understand that we are receiving a couple of percent of kdog's core life knowledge :)

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    What's really telling is how many of the (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 10:35:55 AM EST
    members of the cast have stayed invested in the city, even now, years after filming ended.

    This article about Sonja Sohn is well worth reading.

    Recently, members of the cast came to town to the annual Artscape festival, too:

    The cast of The Wire was back in Baltimore over the weekend, taking part in an event sharing stories from real-life residents of the city.
    Related

    Michael K. Williams (Omar Little), Sonja Sohn (Det. Shakima "Kima" Greggs), Andre Royo ("Bubbles" Cousins), Larry Gilliard Jr. (D'Angelo Barksdale), and Felicia "Snoop" Pearson (Snoop) were among those on hand Saturday, according to the Baltimore Sun, while Dominic West (Det. Jimmy McNulty), Wendell Pierce (Det. Bunk Moreland), and series creator David Simon appeared via taped video messages.

    "Wired Up! A Celebration of the Spirit + Power of the People of Baltimore," featured the actors reading monologues written by West Baltimore residents that came together during a two-day workshop. The event, its website says, aimed to celebrate the city's resiliency and recognize "the `unsung heroes' of Baltimore -- those who serve inside and amongst the community, tirelessly and selflessly."

    The monologues, the Sun reports, focused on the April 27 disturbances that occurred following the death of Freddie Gray in police custody earlier that month.



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    Oh... (none / 0) (#133)
    by sj on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 02:16:48 PM EST
    Artscape...

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    Do you know, I've never been... (none / 0) (#134)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 03:00:00 PM EST
    it's usually the hottest, most humid weekend in July, and I am not fond of crowds.

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    LOL, That's true (none / 0) (#138)
    by sj on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 06:24:01 PM EST
    It is usually the hottest, most humid weekend in July. But I actually do kind of like crowds. This past summer's Artscape weekend brought on one of the unexpected bouts of homesickness for Baltimore.

    You should go sometime. The evenings are often quite nice. Plus, you know, art cars...

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    The thing is (none / 0) (#125)
    by CST on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 09:21:49 AM EST
    It doesn't really end you know.  It just keeps going offscreen in real life.  And if you've lived in America and watch the news, you know how it ends.  More of the same $hit, for years and years to come.

    I know that's not what you meant.  But I think it's what makes it so meaningful.  The filming ended in 2002.  Some things have changed, but not nearly enough.

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    Federal Judge orders Kentucky Governor (none / 0) (#116)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 11:17:32 PM EST
    to officially state whether the Kim Davis b/s marriage certificate alterations are going to stand.

    Probably up to the courts. (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 12:09:58 AM EST
    Grateful for your inputs (none / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 12:20:46 AM EST
    I get all emotional....but emotions won't decide this. That's a sane thing to remember.

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    Grateful for your inputs (none / 0) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 12:20:51 AM EST
    I get all emotional....but emotions won't decide this. That's a sane thing to remember.

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