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    The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 08:02:29 PM EST
    ... upheld a lower court's ruling that the University of Hawaii did not infringe upon Mark Oyama's First Amendment rights when it declined to certify the Caltech-educated man as a secondary school teacher, after he had expressed his personal approval of sexual relationships between adults and minor children in a written class assignment. Per Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw, writing for the panel:

    "The panel held that in the context of a public university's professional certification program, the university may evaluate a student's speech, made in the course of the program, in determining the student's eligibility for certification without offending the First Amendment under certain circumstances. In this case, because the University of Hawaii's decision to deny plaintiff's student teaching application directly related to defined and established professional standards, was narrowly tailored to serve the University's core mission of evaluating plaintiff's suitability for teaching, and reflected reasonable professional judgment, the University did not violate plaintiff's First Amendment rights. In addition, because the University granted plaintiff adequate procedural protections in denying his student teaching application, it did not violate plaintiff's due process rights."

    I would disagree with Oyama's attorney Eric Seitz that what happened to his client here amounts to the censorship of free speech. Rather, the faculty at the UH College of Education took Oyama's provocative statements about child predation at face value, and further considered the poor performance reports he received from his student teaching assignment at a Honolulu middle school, in determining that he failed to meet the accepted standards for the profession, and further deciding that he was inherently unfit for the classroom. Again, per Judge Wardlaw:

    "[T]he university's decision was, by necessity, prospective in nature Oyama stood in the doorway of the teaching profession; he was not at liberty to step inside and break the rules. But that does not mean that the university was obligated to invite him in. Rather, the university could look to what Oyama said as an indication of what he would do once certified."

    And so, Mark Oyama is not a public school teacher. That's good.

    Federal Judge: drinking tea and gardening was (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 09:36:51 PM EST
    probable cause for a SWAT raid and two hours of semiautomatic weapons pointed at the heads of innocents by a powertripping Kansas Sheriff.

    In April 2012, a Kansas SWAT team raided the home of Robert and Addie Harte, their 7-year-old daughter and their 13-year-old son. The couple, both former CIA analysts, awoke to pounding at the door. When Robert Harte answered, SWAT agents flooded the home. He was told to lie on the floor. When Addie Harte came out to see what was going on, she saw her husband on his stomach as SWAT cop stood over him with a gun. The family was then held at gunpoint for more than two hours while the police searched their home. Though they claimed to be looking for evidence of a major marijuana growing operation, they later stated that they knew within about 20 minutes that they wouldn't find any such operation. So they switched to search for evidence of "personal use." They found no evidence of any criminal activity.

    If it took them "20 minutes" to figure out that there wasn't a grow in a standard suburban house, admission standards to the Pinhead Blue Line are lower than even I believed possible.

    "While testing the specificity of the KN Reagent test kits with 42 non-marijuana substances, I observed that 70% of these tests rendered a false positive," said Dr. Omar Bagasra, director of the Center for Biotechnology,

    "That research came as part of new report,(actually 2008) False Positives Equal False Justice, by forensics expert John Kelly in collaboration with former FBI chief scientist and narcotics officer Dr. Frederick Whitehurst. In the report, the pair uncovered "a drug testing regime of fraudulent forensics used by police, prosecutors, and judges which abrogates every American's constitutional rights," as Kelly wrote in the executive summary.

    "Law enforcement officials, forensic drug analysts, and prosecutors knowingly employ the flawed Duquenois-Levine and KN Reagent tests as well as mere conclusory police reports to wrongfully prosecute and convict millions of individuals for anti-marijuana law violations," Kelly wrote.



    Kansas is an American Disgrace (none / 0) (#37)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM EST
    Then again, America itself is kind of an American Disgrace, so KS is just following the crowd, albeit in a more dysfunctional manner.

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    Hey, what happened to the (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 07:39:49 AM EST
    entries with recent comments column?

    For all you gun haters (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:32:45 AM EST
    This is why we need guns in our home for protection...or not.

    Police say a St. Cloud mom accidentally shot and killed her 27-year-old daughter late Tuesday night, mistaking her for an intruder.

    The woman was asleep in her bed and thought she heard an intruder enter the house, according to St. Cloud police.

    She told police she heard the person quickly approaching her, so she fired a single shot. She then discovered the person was her daughter.

    "At this time, the incident appears to be an accidental shooting," police said in a news release.

    Accidental shooting? No. She meant to shoot. Nothing accidental about it. Happy New Year.

    My worst nightmare right there (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:39:09 AM EST
    But, but... (none / 0) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:10:53 PM EST
    guns don't kill, if there wasn't a gun she could've used a pillow.

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    I never want to see a gun again (none / 0) (#38)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:54:34 PM EST
    Had them pointed at me in anger a few times, even worked the shooting events as a recent HS grad at the 1984 LA Olympics. For a week straight I had to hear gunfire all day long out in lovely Chino CA at the shooting venue. All the foreign reporters kept asking me, "Where the hell are we? Is this even California anymore? Why does it smell like dung AND smog out here?"

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    My sister in law, a most volatile nervous Nellie, (none / 0) (#69)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:04:00 AM EST
    expressed her desire to get a gun to have in the house because she is so nervous when my brother is out of town...and even when he is home.  I hope she sees this story - it is just the argument I used to try to talk her out of it. This is just the scenario I envision if she ever does do something so foolish as to get a gun.  Also she tends to fly off the handle.  I certainly won't be going back there if I think she has a gun.

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    Another case (none / 0) (#100)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:13:50 PM EST
    Happy Anniversary to the Dadlers (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:20:37 AM EST
    23 years ago tonight, we got together at a New Year's Eve Party. 19 years ago, we were married. And it has literally been the most "interesting" year of our marriage. Happy anniversary to the Greatest Wife On Earth!

    Photo 1
    Photo 2

    Know I've been mostly absent from my former regular haunt, and when I do show up I realize I tend to get ranty in odd ways, just been a very odd year in our house. My son is miserable in traditional high school, is most likely going to take the proficiency exam and go to JC next year at 16. Never woulda thunkit a year or two ago. But life happens, the kid is just out of his mind having to deal with the idiocy of butts in seats, learn to take the test, weirdo American consumer teen social scene, blah blah blah. It's killing him. We are going to try to steer him to this place first, but he has to be accepted. Fingers crossed. (link)

    Peace & Love to all this New Year's Eve.

    Happy Anniversary! (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:38:13 AM EST
    Love the photos - she must have a great sense of humor for photo 2 to be in the wedding album!

    Good luck with your son...tricky years. Hope he finds a better situation!

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    Ball and chain photo (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:11:19 AM EST
    Yeah, she's quite the high tolerance... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:07:20 AM EST
    ...low maintenance lady. I have another photo where I'm wearing a ball and chain, smoking a giant plastic cigar and flipping the bird to the camera, while she is standing next to me, laughing her ass off. One in a zillion she is. HNY!!!

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    How are cops to respond in instances... (none / 0) (#1)
    by NycNate on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 06:20:44 PM EST
    Like this?  is it against the law to walk dogs off the leash in NYC? I am not familiar with the plight of young black men. Is this something that happens all the time in urban areas?  Wouldn't have been better if the cops had just overlooked this minor infraction?  

    cops fight guy 10 mins in his home

    What an idiot (none / 0) (#2)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 07:03:06 PM EST
    He resists arrest and puts a cop in a choke-hold while his family pleads with him to comply.  He's lucky his injuries weren't more severe.  That video certainly isn't going to help him but it does show the difficulty of trying to restrain someone in a confined space. His only hope is to get the arrest thrown out because the cops might not have had probably cause to enter his house.

    As for the dog. I've had mostly good experiences with pit bulls.  I believe it's bad dog owners that lead to most of the pit bull attacks.  Based on this guy's judgement in that video, I don't want him owning a pit bull.

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    In the last year alone (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 08:04:10 PM EST
    ...we have seen any number of videos of unarmed black men shot by white police officers.  Several were shot in the back while running away or lying prone on the ground.  Prior to universal video capacity, we can assume that there were a lot more.

    I can't find a single example, video, anecdotal or otherwise of an unarmed white person shot by a Black police officer.

    Not one.  What are the odds of that?

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    What does that have to do with this video? (none / 0) (#7)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 08:25:12 PM EST
    The cops didn't shoot Nicholson Gregoire, who was doing just about everything he could to get seriously injured.  I'm surprised the cops went as easy as the did on him early on.  

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    Surprised they went as easy as they did.. (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by jondee on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 09:18:59 PM EST
    surprised, or disappointed?

    What are they doing forcing their way into someone's home like the waffen ss over a dog that was momentarily off it's leash?

    Stupid pigs.

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    because "they're the law" (none / 0) (#8)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 09:00:28 PM EST
    Right?

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    You wanted one (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:12:25 PM EST
    Here's two.

    Two Louisiana law enforcement officers are under arrest, charged with murder in the death of a 6-year-old autistic boy.

    Gilbert Collar (This is the conservative Washington Times, so don't click if you don't want to.  However, note that other outlets covered this story, such as HuffPo, but didn't mention the officer's race.  The link I provided has a picture)

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    well (none / 0) (#98)
    by thomas rogan on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:27:27 AM EST
    There is the Louisiana example listed below.  Then again, most black cops are in big cities and don't have a whole lot of poor white teens living in them.  Most whites in big cities are yuppies or the elderly.  
    And there are lots of examples of black cops being involved in the death of black people (as in Freddie Gray)

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    A double-edged sword (none / 0) (#3)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 07:07:16 PM EST
    The GOP decided to turn their nominating process into a reality game show.  Then they made a yuuuge mistake by allowed a professional game show expert to join a bunch of amateurs on the stage.

    He mopped the floor with them.

    However.

    Trump has been on TV for over 25 years.  There are literally weeks worth of video of Trump weighing in on every possible subject, offering contradicting views on everything he has ever opined on.

    Where is Jon Stewart's team compiling video of the candidate arguing with himself?  I hope they don't wait in the wings until next November.

    Trump is such a flip-flopping hypocrite (none / 0) (#11)
    by shoephone on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 11:27:02 PM EST
    And, as for his newfound disdain for men who fool around on their wives, there is this Trumpian tidbit on Bill Clinton from TPM.

    Trump is a fool if he thinks he can win that particular fight. Really, the very idea of Trump as a crusader for marital infidelity is laughable.

    And, yes, he really has been all over the map on numerous issues. Is Jon Stewart or someone of that ilk even interested in documenting it? Which mainstream news organizations will point out the contradictions? Well, Repack, we may be waiting a long, long time for that.

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    He is a carny (none / 0) (#39)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:57:54 PM EST
    A two-bit huckster. PT Barnum with half the imagination and a much more inexcusably phucked up society to manipulate. Then again, he bankrupted a casino in Atlantic City. It takes some serious incompetence to go broke on degenerate gamblers and drunk tourists ASKING you to take their money. Champion incompetent. And proud, apparently.

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    The huckster loses one in court (none / 0) (#42)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:14:00 PM EST
    We knew this was coming:

    Donald Trump is personally liable for operating a for-profit investment school without the required license, a New York judge ruled in a lawsuit brought by the New York Attorney General against the real estate entrepreneur.

    New York state Supreme Court Justice Cynthia S. Kern said he was notified by the state in 2005 that his Trump Entrepreneur Initiative - known as Trump University until 2010 - was in violation of state education law.

    "It is undisputed that Mr. Trump never complied with the licensing requirements," Kern wrote in a decision made public on Wednesday.

    I expect to hear Trump now call the judge a "loser" and a thousand other insulting names.

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    This is a good example (none / 0) (#55)
    by NYShooter on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:27:33 PM EST
    of the fraud that is Donald Trump.

    Trump brags that he's a "builder," but, what he is, is a showman who depends on naïve, gullible, star struck groupies who will fork over their hard earned dollars to own something, anything,  with the "Trump" label.

    If he was such a world famous "builder," what is he doing hustling money from silly consumers who think they too can become rich by forking over a few hundred (thousand) dollars to attend a, formed overnight, "university" featuring Trump's name?

    BTW, Trump rarely, if ever, even showed up at his "University."

    "A sucker born every minute."

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    I would like to see more (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:26:07 PM EST
    of this stuff brought to the forefront.  

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    The line (none / 0) (#4)
    by lentinel on Tue Dec 29, 2015 at 07:17:29 PM EST
    I have read from many sources is that we should vote for Hillary in the primaries, because she is the one who could beat Trump.

    I am of the opposite opinion.

    I think we should support Sanders in the primaries - because I think that he is the one that could defeat Trump.

    I see Trump wasting Clinton.

    Of course, I think that those of us who choose to participate in this process - whatever it is - of choosing a candidate for President, owe it to ourselves to vote for the one who best represents our views on the issues. On a "leftist" blog, I would think that this would be self-evident. I am really surprised that there is virtually no support here for Sanders.

    For me, the choice is easy.
    To put it simply, I don't think that there is a regime in the ME that Clinton doesn't want to overthrow. She even criticizes Obama for not arming the Syrian "rebels" fast enough. She blames the mess in Syria on him.

    I take the opposite view.
    I wish he had resisted that pressure from the bedraggled hawks.

    So I would rather not vote for a militarist like HRC.

    Having said that, I also feel, as I said, that she would be the weaker candidate to face Trump.
    So either way - on moral grounds or tactical grounds, I think Sanders is our best hope.

    A lot of Trump"s allure is his penchant for expressing exactly what he feels. He does not search for words and phrases that leave you wondering.

    Sanders popularity is based on that same quality - and I think that he would cancel out Trump - and they would be actually be presenting their views on issues - and faced with a choice of between the compassion of Sanders v/s whatever Trump is expressing, Sanders wins hands down.

    Just my two cents.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 09:39:10 AM EST
    "we should vote for Hillary in the primaries, because she is the one who could beat Trump" is a naive notion that's being thrown around by Sanders supporters as to why their candidate isn't in the lead.  I'm sure it exists in some places, but I think most of Clinton's primary support comes from people who think she'd make a better president.  Which appears to be the majority of the Democratic voting base, so it's not that surprising that you'd find support for her here on this blog.  It's a bit surprising not to find it elsewhere - but in other ways, not that surprising either given the demographic makeup of most of the internet.

    That being said, there's a lot of support for Sanders here, it's just not universal like much of the left leaning web.  But you certainly aren't alone, and even among those of us who support Clinton, there's a lot of respect for Sander's positions.

    For me the choice is easy too.  I want someone who will be an effective president and make progress and I don't worry about Sanders beating Trump I worry about him being a one term president and the fact that he will not only be dealing with an obstinate Republican party but also with a bunch of Democrats who may not play nice with the left wing of the party.  We still need a federal budget, we still need a diplomatic branch of the government, and we desperately need to make progress in a number of areas.  While I may agree with Sander's ideas I haven't got a clue how any of that will actually get accomplished, given the current (and at least near future) makeup of the senate and house.  And I do think that Clinton is the type of person to effectively make moves in the right direction, and with 16 years of Democrats controlling the federal branch, there might even be some real long-term impacts.

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    Frankly (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 09:46:46 AM EST
    I think that current events are driving what is happening in the primaries more than anything else.

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    agreed (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 09:52:14 AM EST
    Although honestly, I agree with Bernie that ISIS is a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.  I wish he was better at making that point though, and he's really not the one to do it because you just get the sense that he's saying that because it's not his area of strength.  But man, it would've been really nice to hear someone say

    "this is not as big of an issue to the American people as it's being made out to be, can we please talk about things that matter"

    The moderators went freaking non-stop with the fear in the last debate.  And yes, Hillary does better than Bernie with that, but I still hated every bit of it.

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    How are domestic programs (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:04:35 AM EST
    going to happen when we devote even more of the budget for the more muscular military activity that Hillary wants?

    Hillary has already stated that she will move  more aggressively than Obama to pursue our never ending wars.

    If this stance is Hillary's position when being "pressured from the left,"  what will it be when she no longer has to give even token concern to the much of the Democratic base.

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    gotta walk and chew gum (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:22:49 AM EST
    at the same time.

    The last time a Clinton was president the defense budget dropped significantly, I don't expect Hillary to be any different.  Yes, she's more militaristic than I'd like for her to be but it's not an all or nothing question.

    Yea, I'd love another Obama on foreign policy, honestly that's why I supported him in 2008, but I don't see that option.  And Bernie isn't effective at making a foreign policy case or even really pressuring Hillary from the left on it in any meaningful way, he's making more traction on domestic issues, but on foreign policy he just seems out of his league.  We can't go full head-in-the-sand you need to be able to make a meaningful case for international diplomacy at the least.  You don't need to buy into fear-mongering and warfare but you do need to at least produce an informed alternative beyond "the U.S. needs to stay out of international affairs" - as if that were even possible (nevermind preferable) in the current state of the world.  And right now no one in the Democratic party primary is making that case well.  So personally, I don't really see a good foreign policy option on that stage at all, and with Hillary at least we have someone knowledgeable who has already built relationships with the people we need to work with.

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    Hillary was a large part of Obama's foreign policy (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:32:40 AM EST
    I think we will have something very similar with Clinton at the helm. And the military budget is in ratchet down right now and the military is functioning fine. There is one item that is blowing up and distorting the military budget horribly right now and that is the F-35, that Sanders fought for and won.

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    I read (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:42:34 AM EST
    where that F-35 was a trillion dollar item.

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    The cost has become insane (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:56:21 AM EST
    It invites all sorts of "wild" discussion in this house. For instance, my husband likes to point out that the USSR did not create any of its airframes via the vehicle of capitalism. And their fighter jets and helicopters rivaled our own.

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#46)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:23:01 PM EST
    Bernie is just another politician.  His vote for the F-35 is proof.  No one wants the F-35, it has led to hundreds of billions of dollars in overruns and it's a terrible plane.  

    But, it's housed in Vermont, so good for them, so much for wasteful military spending that he wants to cut to pay for free college for everyone.

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    Yes, she was a large part of Obama's (none / 0) (#66)
    by MO Blue on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:12:39 PM EST
    foreign policy but they did not always agree with what action to take.

    Hillary was behind the scenes pushing for more U.S. involvement in the Middle East. One example:

    President Obama has long ridiculed the idea that the U.S., early in the Syrian civil war, could have shaped the forces fighting the Assad regime, ....

    Well, his former secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, isn't buying it.....

    "The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad--there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle--the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled," Clinton said.


    Link


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    HRC is evidently making a real good (none / 0) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:51:22 AM EST
    case for a more muscular U.S. military involvement. Evidently people are willing to support that position with their vote. That is what she is promoting and she will be very effective working across the isle to achieve that objective.

    I continue to read how effective HRC will be as president, yet I never hear exactly what that will entail. Could she get Republican support for a budget that contains funding for more boots on the ground in the M.E. and cuts to domestic programs and "reforms" to SS, Medicare and the corporate tax code? Probably. Personally, I don't want that type of effectiveness.

    Also, what Bill Clinton did or did not do militarily is not a guarantee that HRC will follow the same agenda. Different person, different set of circumstances and different environment.

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    I disagree (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:01:14 PM EST
    Both in terms of what her agenda is and in terms of what will happen and what people are supporting.

    And if you'll notice I wasn't talking about getting Republican support for anything.  I was talking about the ability to work with the moderate Democratic party.  Last I checked she wasn't running on an agenda of cuts to SS or Medicare, it's not like she has a history of support for any of these programs...

    No, what Bill did doesn't imply Hillary will do the same, I was more pointing out that the last moderate Democratic presidents we've had have all cut the military budget significantly and I don't see Hillary making the opposite case or have any compelling reason to believe that she would be the one to go outside of that model.  That might be what you're hearing from her, but it's not what I'm hearing.

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    Military spending under Obama (none / 0) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:51:41 PM EST
    President Obama has in fact been responsible for the largest U.S. military budget since the Second World War, as is well documented in the U.S. Department of Defense's annual "Green Book."

    Obama    FY2010-15    $663.4 billion per year
    Bush Jr    FY2002-09*    $634.9 "    "    "

    Link

    Hillary is promoting increased military activity. Increases in military action normally result in increased spending if HRC follows through on her stated agenda, she will be able to top Obama in the highest military budget.

     

    Hillary Clinton is calling for more allied planes, more airstrikes and a "broader target set" -- though no large-scale mobilization of U.S. ground troops -- to combat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
    ...
    Clinton called for more "flexibility" for U.S. Special Operations forces and trainers to work with regional forces -- particularly Sunnis and Kurds -- in opposing ISIS. She said she is open to sending more than the 50 of those forces that President Barack Obama has already mobilized. But Clinton said she opposes a new U.S. ground war in the Middle East.
    Link


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    I will cross my fingers (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MKS on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:03:16 PM EST
    and hope she learned from the AUMF vote....

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    Imo... (none / 0) (#52)
    by lentinel on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:14:08 PM EST
    her eagerness to engage in overthrowing leaders in the ME shows that she learned nothing. She's still on Obama's case for not throwing more military support for overthrowing Assad.

    That is, she is to the right of Obama. Repub territory. And nobody on the left seems to give much of a sh-t about it.

    The only reason she thinks she "got it wrong", is that it cost her the nomination in '08. (Imo)

    But as policy, she's still treading down that dismal road...

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    And yet (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:18:49 PM EST
    She's always been to Obama's left on economics, so I guess that puts her in the middle.

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    Not at all. (none / 0) (#74)
    by lentinel on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:44:59 AM EST
    Being rabid for war does not equalize out when you add to it her "economics" - whatever the heII that means.

    Sacrificing the lives of young people for military adventures - regime change for despots who are no longer "allies" - favoring policies that kill and maim the innocent...

    No..

    She is to the right of Obama.
    She is saying so.
    She blames him for what is happening is Syria.

    And she gets no condemnation for it, or even commentary about it from those on the crippled "left" who are planning to vote for her out of fear of Trump - who is saying things that are not that much different.

    Hillary v/s Trump = Hello Trump.

    And his coronation will come about partly in thanks to progressives who are eager to dismiss or ignore Sanders - doing the work of the RNC for them.

    Trump says he would prefer to run against Hillary.

    No wonder.


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    I do not interpret anything (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:01:56 PM EST
    That she is saying as advocating for a more muscular military. It's muscular as hell right now :) I don't know where we could develop more muscle. I believe we have reached peak muscle :)

    And that isn't going away for a long time. The majority of Americans are frightened enough by the current world situation you aren't getting anything different in that department. You can get rid of the pork and waste, and that is being forced on the military budget now. But we aren't getting a weaker military in my lifetime.

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    Yes, but.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by NYShooter on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:50:32 PM EST
    "But we aren't getting a weaker military in my lifetime."

    Corruption comes in many forms. It doesn't have to be just cash-stuffed envelopes being handed over on a desk, or dinner table. How many worthless, unwanted, budget-busting, programs are being forced on the military for the sole purpose of getting a Senator/Representative re-elected?

    If we really got "rid of the pork and waste," we'd end up with a much more powerful, and effective, military,

    at half the price.


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    My biggest pet peeve is (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:08:23 PM EST
    What the Army calls resiliency training. General Casey cooked it up originally, he thought there had to be a training that would toughen up these millenials who were "coming down" with malingering PTSD. It is costing millions and millions, yet the evidence is in, it does nothing to prevent PTSD and suicide. It only improves morale by something measured as less than 1%.

    Research psychologists caught the Army trying to fudge it's numbers on this training program. Just outright lying their asses off. And this whole program is nothing more than an experiment/a study, but the soldiers are not told this. They are told this training is legitimate.

    I can't for the life of me understand why so many people are emotionally invested in shoving this program with negligible success down everyone's throat. It's bull$hit, and part of the program was "spiritual training". But they got the crap slapped out of them for that so they dropped that portion of the training and program.

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    I continue to read (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:24:38 PM EST
    how effective Bernie Sanders will be as president, yet I never hear exactly what that will entail.  Could he get Republican support for, well, anything he wants to get done?  Personally, I don't want an impotent one-term "Democratic" president.

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    Well, but I think what many of us (none / 0) (#60)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:55:44 PM EST
    don't want, either, is a Democratic president who will allow Republicans to eat her lunch so that things can get done; I don't want a Democratic president who might be okay with "tweaking" the social safety net in order to garner GOP support.  I don't want a Democratic president who aligns with the GOP on issues of privacy/surveillance and erosion of civil liberties.  And while I can't guarantee that a Bernie Sanders 100% won't ever cut any deals with the other side, I feel more confident that he will be a better guardian of those gates than Clinton - mainly because he isn't now saying one thing after years of saying something quite different.

    It may all end up being a moot point, if once actual elections start, Hillary rolls over Sanders like a tsunami.  I'm hoping he fights the good fight for as long as possible, because once Clinton gains the definitive upper hand, we can expect her to campaign much more to the center, not feeling much of an obligation to pretend she is more liberal than we know she is.

    Let me ask you this question - and maybe others could answer, as well: who would you see as Bernie Sanders' VP?  Who would you see as Hillary's?  I haven't given it a whole lot of thought, myself, although for Clinton, we've heard Julian Castro's name mentioned.  The name that popped into my head for Sanders was, believe it or not, Michelle Obama.  She's probably not looking for that, but it would be quite an interesting thing to consider.

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    I have seen this point a lot (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:59:46 PM EST
    And I have to ask - why do people think Hillary is down with eroding the social safety net?  Or that that's the only direction it can go without Bernie Sanders at the helm?  That's not what happened with Obama.

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    Let's not forget Obama and the Grand Bargain" (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    He and Clinton have both been in the camp calling for Grand Bargain-esque bi-partisan commissions.

    And it's not that Clinton has come out decidedly in favor of eroding SS and Medicare--she's too smart to make such public statements during election season--but that she uses weaker language than Sanders when talking about fully protecting it. He has clearly stated that he wants to "expand" SS, and she has said she wants to "enhance" it. Maybe that sounds like the same thing to you, but it's not.

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    She has said she would consider raising (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:19:44 AM EST
    the retirement age if she could figure out how to exempt people with physically demanding jobs from the higher age.  She hasn't seen such a way, so maybe this is just a sop to the Grand Bargain folks.

    I can't speak for everyone, but those of us with mentally demanding jobs don't necessarily want to have to keep working longer, either.

    She's also said she's open to raising the cap on wages subject to Social Security taxes, which is good. But she also hesitates because she says she doesn't want to put more of a burden on middle class families.  I'm sorry, but why is it more of a burden for someone making more than $106,000 to keep paying in, than it is for someone making less?  Why does the person with the higher income get to keep more of his or her money once income rises over that level?

    I keep forgetting that Clinton thinks people making $250,000 are "middle class;" maybe that's what making hundreds of millions of dollars does to one's perspective.

    But where I think she starts to take things in the wrong direction is when she says things like she wants to up SS payments to "the poorest" among that age group; I think Social Security is one of those programs that needs to continue to be as egalitarian as possible, so if you want to raise the benefit, raise the benefit for everyone - how could that be bad?  When the inevitable argument comes that it will bankrupt the program much faster, then raise the cap.

    Unless someone tells me she's not aligned/associated with/taking campaign donations/getting advice from some of the same people who want to practice "fiscal responsibility" to the detriment of the least among us, I have to hedge my confidence that she will be a better protector of the social safety net than Bernie Sanders.

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    This (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:27:50 AM EST
    She has said she would consider raising (none / 0) (#71)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:19:44 AM EST
    the retirement age if she could figure out how to exempt people with physically demanding jobs from the higher age.  

    is going to happen - whether it's HRC or someone else.  It's inevitable.  Why anyone thinks we can keep the retirement age where it is, when people are living longer and working longer, is beyond me and I think they are kidding themselves. I'm almost 47 - I have no illusions that I will be able to collect Social Security at 65 or 67 (which is the age it's being raised to starting in 2022). I don't know how they are going to do it - but it's going to happen - and probably within the next 20 years.

    And as small correction to your post - HRC doesn't think (and never said) that people making $250,000 are middle class - she defined middle class as households making up to $250,000.  It still is off from the average household income of around $54,000, so I get your point, but you need to be more careful of facts you are criticizing.

     

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    We're "living longer". So what? (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:41:28 PM EST
    This has nothing to do with how long people who do physical work for a living are able to continue working. Not to mention that age discrimination (yes, Virginia, there really is age discrimination in hiring) guarantees that a lot of people over the age of 55 have major difficulty securing work of any kind, even when they want and need to.

    HRC's flirtations  with the Pete Petersons of the world is a mark against her. Her equivocations about protecting social security should be addressed in any future debates, and by voters.

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    Some facts about people living lomger (none / 0) (#90)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:24:10 PM EST
    The reality is that the average 1946-born baby boomer retiring this year can expect to live about 18 years. Compare that to his or her grandparents who retired at age 65 in the 1960's and could expect to live 15 years, and you see the proper comparison. The correct evaluation involves life expectancy at age 65, not at birth! The truth, surprising to many, is that the average increase in life expectancy for a 65-year-old is only about three or so years. The increase is even smaller for retirements at ages beyond 65. And the social security retirement age is already being raised by two years (to 67).

    The fallacy arises from the fact that life expectancy is measured from birth, but years in retirement is measured from about age 65. Reductions in infant and child mortality have been dramatic during the 20th century, but 65-year-olds today are not strikingly healthier or longer-living than 65-year-olds of the previous generation or two. If life were being extended for decades there would be lots of 115-year-old Americans running around, but there aren't any at all.
    Link

    Additional data:

    Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans, Study Finds

    The mortality rate for whites 45 to 54 years old with no more than a high school education increased by 134 deaths per 100,000 people from 1999 to 2014.

    "It is difficult to find modern settings with survival losses of this magnitude," wrote two Dartmouth economists, Ellen Meara and Jonathan S. Skinner, in a commentary to the Deaton-Case analysis to be published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Link


     

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    Mmm... (none / 0) (#92)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:05:48 PM EST
    It's  actually 5 and growing.  Your article is old and has outdated data.

    However, since the sheer numbers of the Baby Boom generation skews data compared to the 1960s, one must look at the total number of years that benefits are going to be paid out after age 65, in which case, a male turning 65 tomorrow, is expected to live an average of 18+ more years (of which Social Security will be paid out to that record numbers of people).

    Add into that, when Social Security was started, there were 16.5 workers paying for every retiree.  Today there are 2.5, and that number is decreasing.  So, there's a lot fewer of us shouldering the burden.

    It's  going to happen.  Despite the kicking and screaming, the Social Security retirement age will be moved up to 70.

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    Poor assumptions in your comment (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:47:32 PM EST
    A man turning 65 tomorrow or people considered Baby Boomers would not receive full SS benefits at 65. Any analysis using the age 65 when looking at that group of people would produce inaccurate results.

    BTW, some of the research in my comment covers a period that includes 2014. Not really old data.

    Moving the age up to 70 does not need to happen. It is not justified by the life span of those who need the benefits the most. Electing corporate Dems who want to satisfy the big campaign contributors who want to cut domestic safety net programs to the bone might result in it happening. HRC has given herself enough wiggle room to go in that direction but it will be her choice and not something that is preordained.

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    We all WANT a lot of things (none / 0) (#68)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:22:29 PM EST
    But how many of Bernie's proposals are actually realistic in this political atmosphere?  I mean - look at what Obama went through to get the ACA passed - originally a Republican proposal!  Can you imagine how fast the "Free college for everyone!" idea is going to sink?

    And if anyone thinks Bernie will be able to hold the line and not compromise with the Republicans is deluding themselves.  Sure, he's been true to his principles because he's had no challenge back home.  When you represent a tiny homogeneous population, it's easy to hold the line.  But, he WILL have to compromise - that's how our system is set up. And then there will be very disappointed and disillusioned supporters.

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    If I thought for one minute (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:27:43 AM EST
    That Clinton desired to overthrow ME regimes I would never vote for her. She has my vote, not that that vote means much in Alabama. She also has my monetary support though.

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    She was all about overthrowing Gadaffi (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    And she loved the idea of getting rid of Assad. I am sorry, the second she said, and I paraphrase, send in the  badass men with guns...she proved herself a worthless piece of sh*t to me. She is a certifiably co-dependent personality, just like her worthless husband. Phuck them. The Clintons represent EVERYthing wrong with the direction of the Democratic Party in the last 20 years, absolutely everything. And we are supposed to be optimistic that her utter nothingness as an imaginative being will mean something?

    I will pull the lever for her KNOWING it will make the country worse in the long run.

    Less worse than a R vote, but worse nonetheless.  

    We MUST stop getting on our knees as voters. But we do it again, and again, and again, and rationalize it every time. Were I still in my 20s and dumb as sh*t, I'm sure I'd idealize Hillary all out of proportion as I did Bill. But one lives and learns. The Clintons are phucked up people. Phucked. Up. So are the Obamas. You can ONLY crave that power if you ARE phucked up, or you exhibit the wild imagination to prove to the voters you seek it for good. There has NEVER been a president who had a scintilla of that imagination. That is the biggest indicator that we have NEVER been, nor will ever be, anything approaching the greatest nation on earth. Run of the mill with nukes. Period.

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    Bill Cosby (none / 0) (#13)
    by FlJoe on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 09:29:16 AM EST
    Hooray (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 11:22:08 AM EST
    Brave woman, brave women.

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    I feel no joy in this news. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:03:54 PM EST
    It's just sad. Yes, today's charges were necessary, given the sheer number of women who've come forward with these allegations or indeed, had spoken out long ago, only to be roundly ignored and dismissed due to Bill Cosby's iconic status as a pioneer for black entertainers in Hollywood.

    But it's still sad, nonetheless. I feel sorry for Cosby, because I've always liked and admired him. But also, I'm angry that nobody in a position of authority listened to any of these women years ago, which for all intents and purposes enabled his alleged predatory depredations to continue unabated for decades.

    Rather, it took a viral YouTube video of another black male comedian, Hannibal Buress, who took up their cause and denounced Cosby publicly from the stage during a standup routine, before people finally began to take this seriously, myself included.

    (Sigh!) What will be, will be. Hopefully, justice will be done here, and all of the women involved can finally have some sense of closure and perhaps regain some peace of mind.

    Aloha.

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    I don't know if anyone feels closure (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:28:39 PM EST
    After being raped Donald. I was raped when I was 16 by a hometown boy. It was years before I discovered that I was far from his only victim. I tried to console myself that it was something that only happened in high school, he was married when I discovered there were many other victims.

    Then I discovered he was "dating" very young women, that was his MO before. His story was he was feeling unhappy in his marriage. A lawyer that I had gone to school with wanted the victims to unite and sue him, but it's very painful for women to open that private pain up. I did file a report with  local law enforcement as to what had happened to me years earlier, and I said that I would testify for anyone who came forward claiming he had raped them. It was his Sheriff cousin who ended up taking my statement. And he argued with me that I was incorrectly identifying my perpetrator.

    I don't really have closure. I did what I could do though to heal myself and help anyone else he might hurt. I think very few rapes find closure. But these women are blazing a trail for others. Aren't the sexual assault figures in our culture 1 in 4 or close to that?

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    I am (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:50:46 PM EST
    so sorry to hear this MT.

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    There is some truth to (1.00 / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:28:38 PM EST
    What doesn't break you makes you stronger. And something horrible can also become an asset. My husband has started teaching SHARP to officers who are at Fort Rucker for career advancement. He is part of creating the curriculum also. He has a female PhD at his side too, but the Army is leading the way in addressing military sexual assault. And my husband knows what happened to me, and he knows other women's stories as well, and how few of us receive justice or find something refered to as closure. You don't. You can survive, you can even flourish, but you can't become unraped.

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    Your (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:05:55 PM EST
    husband seems like such an awesome person.

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    He has always been caring (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:34:12 PM EST
    Where the issue is concerned. But he is learning a lot. They have followed Jackson Katz's lead. If it's the first time you have heard the information though, it is so foreign it can shock people. Especially when a man facilitates this instruction.

    The next step is to begin to address the sexual assault that happens to men. Men sexually abused men all the time in the military. It was considered a right of passage when my husband first joined. But a real man would never complain. Even though it's very damaging to a persons autonomy and self esteem and ability to trust. And you can certainly never admit as a man that another soldier raped you.

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    Hmm. Curious at to PeterG's "1" rating (none / 0) (#84)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:44:04 PM EST
    for your comment. I have to assume it was a mistake.

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    And if you click on it (none / 0) (#87)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:00:42 PM EST
    It says "5".

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    It may be (none / 0) (#89)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:13:56 PM EST
    another TL glitch with the server.  Maybe they're still trying to work out bugs.
    And have a Happy New Year, jb!

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    And I had a similar experience at age 12. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:39:05 PM EST
    In my case, it was a baseball coach. It's still difficult to discuss, even after all these many years. But at some point, you really do have to let go and move on, or else you're allowing the perpetrator to maintain his hold over you.

    We're never going to forget what happened, obviously, but we also don't want to let it henceforth define our entire life, either. I think in Cosby's case, these women needed to be acknowledged by us that yes, something bad happened to them here and no, it wasn't right that the guy got away with it for all these years. And that's as much closure as one can probably hope for in cases like these, I suppose.

    Aloha.

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    You may be right, Donald (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:58:36 PM EST
    But there will still be people who have decided that these 40+ women are all lying, and if they're not, "so what"? Can't control other people's creepy attitudes.

    As for "closure," that has always struck me as a strange word. I do, however, believe it's possible to be able to "move on" with one's life. People achieve that all the time.

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    From what I'm hearing from talking heads (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:44:37 PM EST
    For whatever that's worth, it sounds like Mr Cosbys own testimony may provide a bit more closure than that.

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    I cannot (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by lentinel on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:48:32 AM EST
    for the life of me see how you can feel sorry for Cosby.

    He admitted drugging his victims, and them pleasuring himself on them.

    Instead of feeling sorry for Cosby because you've "always liked and admired him", you might give some thought to how he was able to pull the wool over yours and so many others eyes.

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    I'm having OJ (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:40:35 AM EST
    Flashbacks

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    I think it causes an almost intolerable (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:10:52 PM EST
    cognitive dissonance in Americans to find out that people can seemingly achieve "everything" that we're all supposed to aspire to in this country and still be completely f*cked up and depraved..

    It cuts so against the old Protestant narrative of God rewarding the diligence of his elect..

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    Very well put (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:39:29 PM EST
    Being a cynical optimist (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:37:48 PM EST
    I expect the worst from everyone.   And that they will usually answer for it.  One way or another.

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    MOBlue are you ok (none / 0) (#30)
    by fishcamp on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:03:22 PM EST
    With all the flooding in Missouri?  I do have a surfboard I could send to you.  It's a custom 8'6" nose rider that's easy to paddle.  You would be a good surfer with your dancing back ground.

    It is flooding here again today too (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:30:18 PM EST
    The dry period wasn't long enough. They are telling us this winter rain is El Nino related.

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    Given a choice (none / 0) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:13:56 PM EST
    Guess I have to take the weather here over yours. Our heat streak continues with a low of 76° today. That's 13° above normal. It's been over 8 weeks now since we've had a day that hit the average historical low.  Throw in the 11" of rain we've had this month (5½ times normal) and we should change the name of the city from Miami to Muggy.

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    I didn't put the outdoor Christmas decor (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:19:06 PM EST
    Up because the spiders are still reproducing. I didn't want everything full of spider eggs..bleh. All my flowers from the summer are blooming again. I'm starting to think this might be "a long summer" from Game of Thrones :)

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    Classic (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:14:48 PM EST
    El Niño pattern probably increased by climate chang.  We are in a dry spot.  Thank goodness all the rivers around here are in record or near re ore flood stage.  10" of rain in 48 hours on saturated ground makes bad things happen.   Once again I'm happy to live on a mountain top.

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    And the El Nino is expected to last (none / 0) (#59)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:51:29 PM EST
    well into spring. I don't know what that will mean for your region, but if you live on top of a mountain, you're lucky to be protected from flooding. Seems like the entire southern portion of the U.S. is slated for colder (California) and wetter (midwest and southeast) activity.

    The trade winds reversal in the Pacific Ocean means all the Northwest's rain and snow and cold (even very cold today in the city--woke up to below freezing temps) is almost over. And winter just officially began nine days ago! The Cascades have already gotten more snow in the last six weeks than in all of last year. That means melting snowpack to feed our hydroelectric system.

    If my salvia starts budding by first of April, I will know we are in for a hot year.

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    It's gotten chilly here (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:55:54 PM EST
    The last few days.  But not fir leg,  I have even more spring flowers blooming.  Not unusual to see ice and snow in them in the early spring.  Never saw it in January before.

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    Uh (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:56:19 PM EST
    Not for long

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    Maybe in two or three weeks (none / 0) (#65)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:03:28 PM EST
    you will look outside to see this.

    Or maybe I will. It's all up for grabs.

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    All we will need is snow (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:12:29 AM EST
    this is outside my front door

    Was trying to post that up yesterday when the site went down.

    Or whatever happened.

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    Wowza. Your crocuses are very early. (none / 0) (#85)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:51:39 PM EST
    shoephone, those are beautiful. (none / 0) (#80)
    by fishcamp on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:38:32 PM EST
    That happened around my Aspen house every few years.  Down here the Iguanas would eat those immediately. They like growing catnip and mj too.

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    Iguanas getting high (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:52:30 PM EST
    That put a smile on my face.

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    That's not at all (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:39:47 PM EST
    Unusually here in the spring.

    In January ?  Not so much.

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    Accountability at the VA (none / 0) (#32)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:07:25 PM EST

    Department of Injustice at work.

    Missing link (none / 0) (#33)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:10:42 PM EST
    Scumbags (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:21:02 PM EST
    I get so tired of these VA scumbag employees

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    Even more tired (none / 0) (#99)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:37:28 AM EST
    of the administration that lets them off the hook.  Note that it was Saint Hilarity that said the VA problem was merely overstated.

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    Talk about Hilarity! (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:39:42 PM EST
    Your Right-Wing Neocons, having successfully slashed the V.A. budget in their "Scorched Earth, Take-No-Prisoners" orgy of "Entitlement" cutting, made even worse with their "Sequestration" Blackmail, and, who have voted against every single attempt to rescind a few of the most inhumane cuts to our Veteran Programs, now want to blame the very people who've been trying to stem the worst of the Republican blood letting disgrace.

    But, as we see from the Republican Primary Polls, bald-faced lying is a feature to be admired for the hypocrites that swell your ranks.

    You, truly, have no shame.

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    This is why (none / 0) (#103)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:02:00 PM EST
    People have lost trust and faith in government,

    T

    he VA hacks feather their nests, and the Justice Department refuses to prosecute. The head of the VA then says you cannot fire your way to excellence

    A Veterans Affairs official on Wednesday defended the department's decision to demote but not fire two senior executives who collected $400,000 in a relocation scheme, and pushed back sharply against lawmakers for pressing for punishment rather than accountability for the VA workforce.

    "In my many years in the private sector, I've never encountered an organization where leadership was measured by how many people you fired," Deputy Secretary Sloan Gibson told the House Veterans' Affairs Committee.

    "You can't fire your way to excellence."

    And , the VA funding issue.....

    THE MEDIA: Televised address from the White House on Wednesday.

    THE COMMENTS: "We have made progress over the last five years. We've made historic investments in our veterans. We've boosted VA funding to record levels."

    WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT: Whether Obama accurately described the level of funding to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

    ANALYSIS: The president is correct in saying the United States has "made historic investments" in veterans, if those investments are measured as funding for the VA.

    The VA's funding increased by nearly 68percent from fiscal 2009 through 2015, according to a fact sheet that accompanied the VA's 2015 budget request.

    The only dip during that period was from 2010 to 2011, but funding has eclipsed the 2010 mark since then, according to the document.

    Funding was as follows:

    2009:$97.7 billion;

    2010:$127.2 billion;

    1. $125.5 billion;

    2. $126.8 billion;

    3. $139.1 billion;

    4. $153.8 billion;

    5. $163.9 billion.

    A few years ago, a report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service used slightly different figures for the VA's funding than the VA published. Still, the research service concluded the VA's funding in 2012 was more than 200 times as much as in 1940 as measured in real dollars, and more than 14 times as much in inflation-adjusted dollars.

    "The increases over time have reflected the impact of increases in the number of veterans as the result of wars and other conflicts, the aging of the veteran population, and changes in benefits and services provided for veterans," according to the report, titled "Veterans Affairs: Historical Budget Authority, FY1940-FY2012."

    VA funding followed a general upward trajectory from 1940 through 2012, according to the report. As might be expected, funding spiked following World War II and Vietnam and again since 2001.

    The overlapping years with slightly different funding amounts were 2006 through 2012. The reason for the discrepancy was not immediately clear.

    BOTTOM LINE: Obama was unclear about what he considers the "last" five years during which the country has made progress in VA funding. He may have meant 2009 through 2014, which would represent a $56.1billion increase,or 2010 through 2015, which would represent a $36.7billion bump, according to the VA's Fast Facts.

    THE FINDING: Four stars: true.

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    Privatization.. (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:49:58 PM EST
    That's obviously the only answer..

    Because unregulated competition for market share never leads to giving free rein to inordinate greed, waste, corruption, and costs passed on to the citizenry..

    Every conservative True Believer knows that..

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    People (none / 0) (#105)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:01:08 PM EST
    No longer trust the Federal Government, it is bloated and corrupt.
    The VA senior management stole money, doctored files, US Veterans died because of their actions...

    And not one person has been fired...Let alone gone to jail.

    So you want to increase the size of government, increase taxes, NO!
    There are many places where government could be cut, at a minimum on the Federal level.
    People hate inordinate greed, waste, corruption, whether it occurs in the private sector , and worse when they pay for it directly with their tax dollars.
    Sorry, Government is too big to fail, and needs to be broken up. They didn't do it with the banks after 2008, and unfortunately, I do not see it happening either with government. But it certainly needs it


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    U.S. citizens have distrusted the govt for ages (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:06:43 PM EST
    It's not new, it didn't start with Obama, it didn't start with the problems at the VA.

    It's been happening for decades.

    And really, who can forget Reagan telling everyone in 1980 that "government is the problem"?

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    it didn't start with Obama (none / 0) (#107)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:22:15 PM EST
    You are correct, it didn't.
    I believe Reagan said
    The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

    It has been happening for decades, and the scary part of it is,
    Government keeps growing larger, and getting more corrupt.
    NSA, a valuable tool to use, but , who is monitoring those manning the tools.
    EPA- Massive expanding of its regulatory powers,  over ditches, ponds and runoffs on farms and ranches.
    Within education, the withholding of federal monies  unless local districts toe the line to the Administration in powers desires.
    No, government is just a huge monster , getting bigger and bigger, as is its citizens distrust of it.

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    Reagan was a huckster (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:44:56 PM EST
    and an authoritarian who loved government when it suited his needs. As governor of California, he routinely used the powers of the police state to crack down on free speech, and firmly supported the death penalty. Incidentally, he also signed into law the 1967 bill legalizing abortion in the state, later coming out against it, claiming he didn't realize what the "consequences" would be.

    The size of government as the problem is a cliche talking point of the GOP. The reasons people of all political stripes distrust government are many-fold, but most have to do with wage stagnation, economic recessions, and political cronyism and corruption. Throw in the continuing strength of the police state and the inability of Congress to work towards producing substantive legislation--instead of continually trying to undo the ACA--and yo have a very potent brew for customer dissatisfaction.  

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    What makes Reagan's quote doubly pathetic (none / 0) (#114)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:27:45 PM EST
    is that he was alive during the time of the Great Depression and the New Deal when so many people were helped by the dreaded Federal Government..

    Of course, how could we expect him to remember the Depression when he couldn't even remember most of the things he said five minutes after he said them?

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    He was also a big liar (none / 0) (#116)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:09:42 PM EST
    Remember his story of how he was at the liberation of the concentration camps? Flat out lie. And let us not forget the criminality of Iran/Contra. What a convoluted tale of government corruption and abuse of the law that was.

    But, hey kids "Ketchup is a vegetable."

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    It was clearly worse than any of us (none / 0) (#117)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:31:22 PM EST
    ever knew:

    In all fields of public affairs--from diplomacy to the economy--the president stunned Washington policymakers by how little basic information he commanded. His mind, said the well-disposed Peggy Noonan, was "barren terrain." Speaking of one far-ranging discussion on the MX missile, the Indiana congressman Lee Hamilton, an authority on national defense, reported, "Reagan's only contribution throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at midpoint to tell us he'd watched a movie the night before, and he gave us the plot from War Games." The president "cut ribbons and made speeches. He did these things beautifully," Congressman Jim Wright of Texas acknowledged. "But he never knew frijoles from pralines about the substantive facts of issues." Some thought him to be not only ignorant but, in the word of a former CIA director, "stupid." Clark Clifford called the president an "amiable dunce," and the usually restrained columnist David Broder wrote, "The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."

    Long article - lots, lots more, and none of it at all reassuring.  

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    The phenom if Donald Trump (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:00:24 PM EST
    And the rebirth of the know nothings can be traced directly back to Reagan.  

    Nothing in that link surprises anyone who lived through it.   I always felt that the worship of Reagan was an in our face admission and endorsement of the puppet leader.  A figurehead for darker forces.   W was exactly the same thing.

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    That said (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:02:52 PM EST
    Ironically I don't think that is at all what Donald is.  Whatever else he is, he is no ones puppet.  He is the tumor that has grown from the toxins.

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    And Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:40:50 PM EST
    and Exxon Mobil aren't bloated and corrupt?

    Enron and WorldCom weren't impossibly bloated and corrupt?

    Televangelists and the child molestor protecting Church hierarchy aren't corrupt?

    This transparent conservative maneuver of attempting to fixate everyone's attention exclusively on "the federal government" is, in large part,a denial of the general tendency
    of indivuals and institutions to become corrupted, and also a way to deflect attention from thieves in the private sector.

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    It (none / 0) (#110)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:11:16 PM EST
    Is not a cliche, not a talking point.

    It is fact.

    Enron and Worldcom were corrupt, and that was a good use of our federal dollars to prosecute them.

    We enough laws and regulations, we do not need to increase the size of our government.

    Explain to me exactly why they cannot fire 1 person in the VA,
    Why the 2 administrators that took positions they wanted away from other people, paid themselves $400k in moving expenses, cannot be prosecuted.
    The denial is in your blindness to the corrupt and bloated federal government , and resistance to any attempts to shrink it.

    Transfer the funds to the states, let local politicians choose how to spend the publics tax dollars, at least then those in charge of spending can be voted out. Now, faceless government bureaucrats  

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    So, for instance.. (none / 0) (#111)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:48:23 PM EST
    increasing resources to clean up superfund sites filled with toxins and strengthening our ability to protect our waterways, ground water, and the biosphere just aren't worth the effort?

    Why? Because the Lord said the Rapture's comin' and it don't matter anyway?

    Because a few new billionaires on the planet justifies every bit of irreperable damage incurred in the process?

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    Reagan was wrong (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:07:08 PM EST

    The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, "I'm a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You"

    Mitchell Bard

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    So...it's just federal government that's (none / 0) (#113)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:24:04 PM EST
    bad?  You think state government and state politicians aren't all up to their eyeballs in cronyism?  

    There has been a shocking lack of accountability across a wide spectrum that encompasses both the public and private sectors, but the solution isn't to just do away with government, privatize everything, or send it all back to the states.

    I suppose if there's anything I truly abhor, it's these bumper-sticker, one-liner, "simple" solutions to complicated problems.  

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    Oh no (none / 0) (#115)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:34:43 PM EST
    Sadly , in NY State, all levels of government are corrupt.
    And massively corrupt, the state was run by 3 people,
    And the local county governments by me, likewise.

    Government is corrupt and bloated, but every year they increase in size and expense.

    That being said, I would still like the tax money to managed locally, as opposed to federal diktats as to where and how it should be spent.

    Superfund sites, great use of federal money, who is complaining about that? But the Damn Problem is Government is never satisfied, never happy, the EPA now claims jurisdiction over puddles and ditches.
    That is why government needs to be reined in, they have some excellent functions, and some parts do great work, but it is like the Blob, there is no stopping the increase in size of the most inefficient use of taxpayer money.

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    Holy cow (none / 0) (#121)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:36:15 PM EST
    Open your eyes!  The VA is an unregulated single payer.  The government cannot be trusted to investigate itself.

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    Funny (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 04:23:43 PM EST
    how these same folks NEVER-EVER complain about dirty dealing and corruption when the NRA undermines The Will of the People in Washington with arm twisting, intimidation, and outright bribery.

    Whenever that happens suddenly, magically, Washington isn't "broken" anymore..

    Right, Abdul?

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    Please (none / 0) (#123)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 07:24:33 PM EST
    You can bring every instance of private sector corruption you like,

    But you have a big denial problem

    Our federal government is broken, it is too big and corrupt

    Just like the banks, it needs to be broken up, it intrudes in too many areas where it was never supposed to go.

    Put all the private corrupt organizations away,

    And their will still be be Government corruption, deal with that first, and perhaps the private companies and organizations will not be able to "bribe and influence" the government.

    Shrink it.

    The VA, its crimes, and the Justice Departments turning a blind eye should enrage everyone, but I guess if its the Government, they get a pass.

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    Yes yes yes.. (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 08:34:46 PM EST
    the federal government is broken..entitlement programs are bankrupting us..social security will soon be insolvent..the EPA has been hijacked by extremists..minimum wage increases always hurt small business..yadda yadda yadda

    You act as though none of us have ever heard a conservative robotically recite from that script in the last couple of decades..

    At least when you were telling us about "the award-winning Climate Depot" it had a certain amount of unintentional comedic value..

    The problem for you folks is that in the final analysis, you've never been able to provide any time-tested evidence that "the states" and the self-regulating private sector has ever functioned in a manner any less unwieldy, short-sighted, and corrupt  than "Big Government" has.

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    OH my god (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 08:38:43 PM EST
    This is so true.  What kind of inception voodoo do they use to make these people think the are the first to ever have these revelations and that we have never heard it before?

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    Well (none / 0) (#126)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 10:54:38 PM EST
    you've never been able to provide any time-tested evidence

    Well "you people" have consistently grown the government beast for 50 years,

    The American political system has corrupted both parties, even the Reagan years could not stem government growth, only slow it down.

    It has never been tried, a shrinking of the federal beast, giving authority to self determine back to the states.

    "You people" have consistently stated the only way to save the people is more and bigger government, and I think it only gets worse and worse the bigger it gets.
    Or, as Thomas Jefferson said,

    Thomas Jefferson, a true literary warrior for American liberty, stated:

    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
    If Thomas Jefferson could only see America now.

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    Hmm ... (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 10:25:48 AM EST
    You might want to consider the fact that the mandated government retirement plan that you supported in another thread would grow the government by adding another entire government bureaucracy. Since we are using the descriptor of "you people"... "You people" don't object to growing the government when the growth promotes programs and bureaucracies you support. The sinking the government meme only comes out when discussing programs or issues you don't support.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#129)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 10:41:07 AM EST
    I was only quoting another poster with "you people"

    I do not find it beneficial pigeonholing anyone, there are many sides to all people.

    Yes, alas, it would be another government program,

    Never stated I was in full support of it, just that "there might be a method to the madness"

    And I think I also added that any monies withheld ARE NOT to be accessed by the government for any use other than what it is prescribed for.

    It just might help those that do not save for retirement or old age. Hmmm, along those lines, if you die before accessing the funds, they go to a heir.
    Just thought it might be a good idea, and , as the article has stated, California is already implementing something similar.

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    Oh now... (none / 0) (#127)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 01:32:47 AM EST
    why would we ever need another Jefferson when today we have such farsighted, enlightened beings like your muse Mark Morano and the rest of the folks at Climate Depot?

    If anyone can figure out how to shrink Big Government and obliterate bogus science in one fell swoop, I'm sure those folks can..

    You need to have more faith.

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    Ho Ho Ho (none / 0) (#120)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:31:54 PM EST

    With these unindicted slime balls falsely reporting minimal wait times for service its pretty hard to build a case for extraordinary increases in funding.  

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    I respect the fact that whatever administration (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:44:56 PM EST
    Comes next, the problems with GS employees can no longer be shrugged off. You do realize that whole work force is predominantly Conservative right? Why do they have so many unethical scumbags looking for every loophole just to get over?

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    Look out kdog (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:11:38 PM EST
    The man is coming for you - at least in Hawaii

    On Friday, Hawaii will become the first state in the U.S. to raise the minimum age to purchase tobacco products to 21. A secondary measure specifically prohibits the sale of electronic cigarettes to anyone under 21.

    On Jan. 1, Hawaii's State Department of Health will start a three month campaign to let the public know about the new law, which was signed in June by Governor David Ige. After that, people under 21 caught smoking will be fined $10 the first offense and $50 every time after that.

    Businesses that are caught selling tobacco products to people under the age of 21 will be fined $500 for their first violation and up to $2,000 for subsequent offenses.