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Arrest Warrant Issued for Bill Cosby

By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:52:00 PM EST
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When the powers that be decide to target you, there's very little that can be done to change their mind. An arrest warrant has been issued for Bill Cosby, for an incident that allegedly took place in 2004. You can read the Complaint here.

I continue to have zero interest in this story, and I doubt I'll write more about it. For those who feel differently, here's a place to discuss it.

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    It looks like Cosby himself is (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 12:58:58 PM EST
    the "powers-that-be" in this scenario. Tide's turning.

    Yup, after years of getting away (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:38:18 PM EST
    With violating women, he became enraged when they dared share what had happened to them. And he decided to attempt to sue some of them, revictimize them. This is the next step then if you mean to not be his victim again. If I was one of them this is exactly what I would be forced to do at this point.

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    I was referring to the (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:33:08 PM EST
    powers that be as the power of the Government. It's a phrase I have used here frequently, for example, "It's not about defending what xxx did. It's not saying he didn't deserve punishment. It's about whether the government abused the awesome power it brings to bear when it charges a defendant -- any defendant -- with a crime."

    It's a reminder of the awesome power of the Government. When the government is determined to get you, it has vast resources with which to do so. Once that steam roller is set in motion, Cosby, just like everyone else, is pretty much powerless against it.

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    Yes, it is. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:21:22 PM EST
    Jeralyn: "It's a reminder of the awesome power of the Government. When the government is determined to get you, it has vast resources with which to do so."

    But the reverse is also true, as well. These charges against Bill Cosby didn't just immediately and magically appear out of nowhere. Given what has been alleged, stories of Bill Cosby's sexual predations on women have been in circulation for years.

    Did anybody in authority ever bother to investigate those stories? No, it's pretty clear that they did not. Rather, I'd offer that it was likely the alleged victims who were summarily dismissed by those same "powers that be" as lovelorn, delusional or publicity-starved -- and probably even worse. Where's our compassion for that sort of abuse?

    Let's please not kid ourselves that there aren't persons out there in our society who possess the awesome capacity to shut down otherwise entirely legitimate lines of legal inquiry, often by reputation and connections alone. And if those "powers that be" decide to NOT act, even in the face of the most painfully obvious extralegal activities -- see "McDonald, Laquan" and "credit default swaps" -- it takes a tremendous public outcry to compel them to change course.

    To be sure, there are public prosecutors who revel in the limelight, and who would see in Bill Cosby's case a potential career-making trophy that could lead to bigger and better professional opportunities for them personally. Conversely, there are a lot more district attorneys who would shy away from such a prosecution, especially if it held rich potential to incur the wrath of political and business potentates who are higher up the food chain.

    Cases like Cosby's should remind us that for all our shortcomings, we are still a nation of law and not of men. The charges have been filed. I'm now perfectly content to let the due process of law take its course, and I will accept the outcome, whatever it may be.

    Aloha.

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    To be fair... (none / 0) (#15)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:30:13 PM EST
    How could the authorities investigate the claims, which vary, when the vast majority of them weren't brought to them at all or decades later, most outside the SOLs?

    Even the case he's being charged with today, you're talking about 12 years later overall though I think the initial report was a year or so after the event.  The authorities investigated but didn't press charges.  

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    You had to be there (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:40:30 PM EST
    People wonder why these cases were not reported. These were date rapes. And anyone who has ever been date raped and reading this site, will know what I am talking about. Been there, done that. It is all well and good that men and women don't understand why women did not report these crimes. Why it took them so long. Well maybe it was because the victims blamed themselves. Were ashamed that they 'let' it happen. After all, they were in an apt or house and alone with their date. Not only were they a 'slut' but they were asking for it. Maybe there was too much cleavage showing, maybe too short a skirt, maybe too much flirting. Didn't you kiss him? Weren't you dancing a bit wild or ever worse, you were born beautiful and attractive. How could a man resist having sex with you whether you wanted it with him. Usually you might have told one close friend, but most likely you bottled it up inside and have remembered it every day of your life.

    It was hard enough to get a stranger rapist convicted as no one believed you. Women were just tramps. That was the scenario. So why are people so surprised that these women have taken so many years to come forward? Why is it so hard to believe? Why do people think that Bill Cosby is the victim? Do you really believe that these women are just having a few laughs at his expense? What are they really getting from this except to finally stop him from getting away with it any longer. I am quite sure there are many more of his victims out there and afraid of wrecking their marriages or families or just afraid of the shame they carry and have hidden all these years. Please put yourself in their high heels. And BTW, as I understand it, there have been rumors of his 'dates' for years but people chose to ignore them because Bill was surely being mentioned because of his high profile. Rubbish.

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    but why did they not press charges? (none / 0) (#33)
    by nyjets on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:07:47 PM EST
    There could be reasons why they did not charge Cosby which has nothing to do with the amount of evidence they have. Trying to prove rape is very hard. Especially against someone with the money and power and Cosby.
    Also, unlike now, there was little talk between police forces across jurisdiction.
    One police force may not have know what was going on in another jurisdiction. If they had, the decision to prosecute could of been different made might of been different.
    IOW, there is no evidence that the government is abusing their authority. They are merely doing what they should of done some time ago.


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    In th PA case? (none / 0) (#36)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:19:41 PM EST
    The previous DA, Castor, made it quite clear why he didn't press charges earlier.  He didn't thin he had enough evidence to get a conviction. He got a defamation suit during the election for his trouble.

    The other cases? Probably they weren't brought to authorities within the SOLs.  

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    Allred says he has 700 lawyers (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:07:09 PM EST
    If that's true it doesn't sound powerless.

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    700 lawyers? (none / 0) (#11)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:21:51 PM EST
    I don't think that's true.  I think Allred is being Allred.  IIRC, that's the number of lawyers that work for the civil firm Cosby hired.

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    Don't you? (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:25:18 PM EST
    Cosby Enlists Over 700 Lawyers

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    Thanks for the link (none / 0) (#18)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:36:20 PM EST
    Here's the relevant quote:

    "Mr. Cosby has employed several law firms with a combined total of over 700 lawyers in an attempt to avoid answering questions from me under oath in our case."

    So it's a worse claim than I thought.  Combining the total number of lawyers across several firms.  You don't think all those lawyers at several firms are working for Cosby, do you?

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    You are worse than I thought (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:39:22 PM EST
    Good bye.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#4)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 01:53:49 PM EST
    Hi, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Cosby is a "power that be"?

    Jeralyn's right. Once the government decides to come after you, you're in trouble.  Cosby is a louse and a bad man but, this case looks terrible. The prosecutors tossed it in just under the deadline and if you look at the complaint it seems like the same case as several years ago, meaning no new information, that was turned down by the DA at the time.  Imo, he's likely to get acquitted.

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    If you don't know how powerful a figure (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:04:46 PM EST
    Cosby has been in the entertainment business for decades, then I don't think there's a reasonable discussion to be had.

    I also think the idea that the government is suddenly "out to get" Cosby is laughable.

    Is every defendant a victim of the government?

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    More huh? (none / 0) (#8)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:18:03 PM EST
    Cosby's absurdly wealthy but he hasn't been such a figure since the end of the Cosby show which was now decades ago.  There's no need to exaggerate his power.  In recent years, he was the old guy in sunglasses ranting about kids pulling up their pants.  In an event, his power whatever may or may not be, it certainly doesn't compare to the government.  

    I don't know about every defendant being a "victim" of the government but what does that have to do with Cosby?

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    What it has to do with him (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:21:55 PM EST
    Is that he has gotten away with this for decades precisely because of who he is.
    And he just walked out one a 1 million dollar bond.

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    So (none / 0) (#16)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:32:09 PM EST
    You're assuming quilt for every claim?  Why wouldn't he make bail?  Frankly, given the charge $1mm is way too high.

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    let me put it this way (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:35:26 PM EST
    In a "he said, she said" scenario, I have no reason to believe Bill Cosby over any of these women individually.  When a pattern like this shows up - he has lost the benefit of the doubt.

    I don't know why there is this assumption that one of these women "must" be lying.

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    bluntly: 53 She said (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:48:49 PM EST
    v. 1 He said

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    Because (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:37:51 PM EST
    You know.  Just because.

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    Well fair enough (none / 0) (#24)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:40:46 PM EST
    Though if you believe all the women and all their different claims then we have to part company as at least a couple of them are clearly dubious at best.

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    so you think Cosby's claims (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:43:51 PM EST
    Are less dubious?

    Again, I'm not here to say they are all valid.  I'm more questioning why you are so certain that they aren't.

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    Cosby's claims? (none / 0) (#27)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:47:17 PM EST
    What claims?  He actually hasn't said much at all directly since this started other than perhaps I'm innocent and letting his lawyers defend him in the media.  Are you talking about his countersuits or his defamation claim?

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    Let me be clearer (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CST on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:55:47 PM EST
    What is your reasoning for calling these claims "dubious"?  What evidence do you have that suggests they are false?

    Yes, Cosby is claiming he's innocent.  Why would you believe him over any one of these women, given the overwhelmingly consistent pattern and high number of accusations?

    For me, I see this claim a lot, that all 55 couldn't possibly be true.  But it's never related at all back to any of the evidence, it seems like people just think it's impossible that 55 women are all telling the truth.  And frankly, I have a problem with that assumption.  Maybe you have a better reason for thinking it, but you haven't even tried to make that case.

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    You couldn't get (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:07:30 PM EST
    55 people to agree on what to have for lunch, let alone get in this grand conspiracy and stick with the story.

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    Who said anything about a conspiracy? (none / 0) (#35)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:14:18 PM EST
    I didn't.

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    I didn't say that.. (none / 0) (#34)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:09:24 PM EST
    All the claims are dubious though, for example, the one in LA Goines? is very suspect and probably not true.  She claimed that she was attacked at a Playboy party that Cosby was never at (he wasn't even in town) and stayed at hotel that wasn't built until two years later. What am I supposed to do with that?  Am I supposed to say that because somebody else accused him of "similar" things therefore she's telling the truth?  Further, I think Dickinson and Johnson are fishy.

    OTOH, I think it's likely that some are telling the truth. Overall though Cosby is not being accused of the "same things" by 50+ women. The claims run the gamut from rape to "he made a pass at me" but, they've been all blended into a "bad behavior" narrative which works because it's opposite of his previous public image.

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    Every claim (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:36:49 PM EST
    Wonderful.   Let's assume only 10% are true.  That would mean he drugged and raped 5 women,  and change.

    How many do you require?

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    $1 million is too high? (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:38:28 PM EST
    Why?

    You DO understand the purpose of bail, right?

    IT's more than just the actual charges that the judge weighs in setting bail.  It's a variety of things, including:

     - the risk of the defendant fleeing,
     - the type of crime alleged,
     - the "dangerousness" of defendant, and
     - the safety of the community

    Since Mr. Cosby is extremely wealthy, and can most assuredly flee the jurisdiction if he chose to, $1 million seems to be a good number to ensure his presence at all court hearings.

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    Yes I know what bail is, thanks (none / 0) (#26)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:44:47 PM EST
    Cosby doesn't meet most of your criteria and in terms of the possibility of fleeing, he has appeared at every other civil proceeding he's been required to attend and has given a deposition as well.  He can certainly afford it so it's not a big deal but the notion of bail to keep Cosby from fleeing is a bit much.

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    He doesn't have to meet all the criteria (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:50:03 PM EST
    Those are some of the factors that judges weigh.

    But really - what do you think his bail should have been?  $25,000?

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    Don't know (none / 0) (#38)
    by ks on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:22:13 PM EST
    I just think $1mm is a bit high for one count? and no real flight risk.  As I said, it's not a big deal to me.  

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    Just because the Cosby Show ended (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:25:47 PM EST
    years ago doesn't mean he didn't--and doesn't--still hold power. The fact that it took so many years for more than forty women to come forward with their accusations is demonstration of that power.

    And he is absolutely being painted as the government's victim in this post.

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    How powerful (none / 0) (#37)
    by vicndabx on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:20:51 PM EST
    where is this narrative coming from?  What evidence do you have he had all this power?  Most famous black actors & actresses I see interviewed on TV will tell you the opposite re: power in Hollywood.  Famous certainly, power, not so sure.

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    Cosby (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by lentinel on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:36:09 AM EST
    was not like "most".

    In the immediate sense, his power over his victims came from drugs that he doped them with.

    Add to that the "father figure" bullsh-t, and add to that the man is extremely wealthy, and you have intimidation added to pharmacy.

    That is power.

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    The worst kind of power (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:52:01 AM EST
    His power I'd still in evidence.  In these very threads.

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    I think this was more a case of (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:39:27 PM EST
    "the powers that be" being shamed into doing something about actions and behaviors that had been an open secret among the media elite and Hollywood poo-bahs; as near as I can tell, Cosby is, to some extent, still getting preferential treatment.

    So, for me, this is not a case of the government targeting Cosby at all; it is a case of the government no longer being able to ignore what has been right under its nose for years.

    I wonder (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:50:12 PM EST
    With his millions and hundreds of lawyers and multiple law firms if they might pay people to spin for him on legal sites?

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    I should have said (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:52:04 PM EST
    In the comment threads of legal sites.  

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    With our collective track record of rarely being (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:00:39 AM EST
    able to change anyone's mind about anything, their money would be better spent elsewhere...

    Actually, you did get me to watch the Leftovers...so maybe you have superior powers!

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    When I get you (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:09:27 AM EST
    To watch Banshee and LOST my work here will be done.

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    It's a funny kind of day (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by shoephone on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 03:23:14 PM EST
    when Oprah is deemed as being all powerful, and Cosby is deemed as being totally powerless.

    I think I'll go take care of some more of my medical bills. And then, possibly, get a drink.

    Being in Seattle (none / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:45:50 PM EST
    Have an Oly and tomato juice. Alcohol and vitamin C.... Good for you.

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    Tomato juice I like... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:56:01 PM EST
    Oly, not so much. Therefore, a Bloody Mary is always be good. (Instead, however, I made a gin/cranberry/lime concoction. Not bad at all.) Tonight is all champagne, as I've decided to join my pals at a late planned get-together.

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    Good choice (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 07:01:56 PM EST
    50s may not be 20s but you will never see them again.

    The dogs have given me permission to leave the house too.

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    Ha. Fifty happens. (none / 0) (#86)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 07:07:43 PM EST


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    Well then (none / 0) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 08:50:39 PM EST
    beer and peppermint schnapps is probably out of the question...

    1 shot of peppermint schnapps on glass...drop into mug of beer.

    Wonderful hangover cure or hangover maker.

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    Some have said he is a powerful man. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:59:27 AM EST
    I say he is powerless.  

    He has money, but all the attorneys and PR pimps on this planet cannot rebuild his lost reputation.  That bird has flown.  

    In its place have forty chickens roosted.

    Even if he beats the charge, he'll suffer the death of a thousand line items.  His attorneys will bleed him dry.  

    I believe (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:38:05 AM EST
    It's 53 chickens.

    Currently.

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    Sorry, Hwdy; I had lost count... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:37:33 PM EST
    What I was trying to say is that Cosby is now at least figuratively in the position of one of his alleged victims.  He is pinned down.  He knows he's being pawed, groped, and drooled over by a predator media but he is only dimly aware of the scale of his degradation.  Literally hundreds of millions are watching.  Cosby can't do much besides gripe to a few attorneys.

    Anybody remember his old bit about the stop sign atop an unforgiving San Francisco hill?  That's where he is now, with no where to go but down.

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    Wasn't chastising (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:59:34 PM EST
    Happy New Year Natch

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    He had a new tv show and other (none / 0) (#119)
    by McBain on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:00:29 PM EST
    projects cancelled when the number of accusers reached critical mass.  He'll never get those back or his "America's Dad" image but an acquittal in a criminal case would help his legacy. It would probably mean a lot to his family as well.  

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    I'm disappointed Jeralyn isn't interested in this (3.50 / 2) (#44)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:51:58 AM EST
    I think it's going to be fascinating.  The public has already made up its mind.  I, on the other hand, am waiting to find out just what, if anything, Bill Cosby is guilty of.

    There will interesting discussions about the legal and practical definitions of consent.  The way it was described on CNN last night, unless a woman says, "Yes, I'm willing to have sex with you", the man doesn't truly know if she's consenting or not. This, of course, is crazy but not surprising.

    There will be interesting discussions about the use of drugs and alcohol to get someone in the mood. Hypocrites will pretend they only have sex when completely sober.

    It will also be interesting to see how the public reacts to seeing an elderly and blind Cosby in the court room.  Will he be a more sympathetic person than some of the women who were actresses, models, reality TV stars?

     

    McBain, I'm surprised (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by fishcamp on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:13:40 AM EST
    You may not think Cosby is guilty of some crimes.  Back in the day of Quaaludes, women would literally start taking their clothes off immediately,  or allow them to be taken off,  after taking one.  His activities were during the days of Quaaludes, and it was said by many of the women that's the drug he gave them.  His wealth and power has gotten him off so far, but I hope that soon ends, and he is found guilty.  It appears you've had no experience with that drug.

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    I'm not a drug or alcohol guy (1.00 / 2) (#47)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:28:13 AM EST
    I know very little about Quaaludes.  I do know times were a little different back in the 70s.

    His wealth and power has gotten him off so far, but I hope that soon ends, and he is found guilty

    Guilty of what?  If he raped some women, but not others, do you want him convicted of raping all of them?  

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    He cannot even be (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:54:13 AM EST
    tried, much less convicted, of "raping all of them."  Many of these cases are beyond the statute of limitations.

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    The idea that he could slide (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:59:00 AM EST
    Because he has managed to escape accountability for decades make me sick to my stomach

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    Qualludes (none / 0) (#120)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:41:57 PM EST
    Oh boy,

    The 70's

    The Tubes lead singer coined himself Quaalude,

    "White Punks on Dope"

    70's memories, although with Quaaludes you lost most of them.

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    Huh? (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:30:05 AM EST
    Will he be a more sympathetic person than some of the women who were actresses, models, reality TV stars?

    These categories select for attractive women.  So do horndogs.  It would be a BIG surprise if he was being accused by older, less attractive women, but he isn't, he is being accused by women who seem most likely to be targets of a serial sexual predator.

    Why should the physical attractiveness of his victims taint their testimony?

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    Women are tough on other women (none / 0) (#50)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:39:29 AM EST
    Especially in rape cases.  Some might feel sorry for Cosby who has trouble walking on his own. He might remind some of their grandfather.

    Physical attractiveness is a slightly different topic. I won't open that can of worms now.  

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    Fer f@cks sake (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:50:06 AM EST
    You think he had trouble walking when he "allegedly" did these things?

    You history of comments on rape and the surrounding "issues" tell anyone interested a lot.

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    And your responses (none / 0) (#56)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58:18 AM EST
    tell everyone you're incapable of grasping the importing and interesting issues of this case. Not everyone thinks the way you do.  There will be some who find Cosby more sympathetic than some of the accusers.  

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    Clearly (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:00:06 PM EST


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    We know this (5.00 / 4) (#65)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:59:12 PM EST
    There will be some who find Cosby more sympathetic than some of the accusers.

    One, anyway, but you do not seem to be capable of articulating why you and your purported or imaginary friends feel that way.

    We know you don't like Black kids if they are big for their age, and now we find that you feel that a woman's attractiveness is a factor in whether she is truthful.

    I'm a writer and I have sold a lot of my work.  If I presented something to an editor as fact-free and logic-impaired as your comments here, I would never have sold any of it.

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    I'll put my comments up against yours, Repack (none / 0) (#66)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:18:52 PM EST
    any day.  You're the one making baseless allegations.

    We know you don't like Black kids if they are big for their age

    I didn't bring up the accusers looks, you did. My implication is the the reputation for models, actresses and especially reality TV stars for being a little crazy and willing to sleep with someone to advance their career.

    In this particular case, I believe the alleged victim was was Temple University employee but the judge might allow other accusers to testify.  

    As for women being tough on women...

    Batchelder et al. (2004) reports that female jurors are more likely than male jurors to disbelieve female complainants, and so acquit defendants in greater numbers...

    Consent-defense rape cases hinge on having jurors accord rape victim status to complainants, and female jurors are less likely to believe that complainants have the necessary attributes of rape victims..

    Congratulations on your book! Although, I would have guessed you wrote fiction.  I'm an outdoor fitness enthusiast but can't really do much biking because of a prostate condition.  

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    Allow me to identify the flaw in your logic (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:02:32 PM EST
    I didn't bring up the accusers looks, you did.

    AFAIK the single characteristic that "models, actresses and reality TV stars" share is that they are above average in attractiveness.  Beyond that they are individuals as different from one another as they are from women who are less attractive.  When you group them on the basis of occupations that require physical attractiveness and no other salient quality, it is difficult to conclude that you are not bringing up their appearances.

    My implication is the the reputation for models, actresses and especially reality TV stars for being a little crazy and willing to sleep with someone to advance their career.

    See how far your "implication" gets you in a court of law, where evidence is more convincing than "implication."

    Once again, I am not aware of any such reputation "...for being a little crazy and willing to sleep with someone to advance their career."  [Sic, your grammar sucks.]  Please document it for me, and then explain why individuals should be tarred by a vague and undocumented "reputation."

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    How about you put your cards on the table, Repack? (1.00 / 3) (#72)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:17:58 PM EST
    All these demands.... document this, show me evidence of that....  

    How about you back up your claim

    We know you don't like Black kids if they are big for their age

    Until you admit you lied I won't respond to any of your posts.  Anyone can hide behind their keyboard and throw out insults and "fact free" claims.  It takes a big man to admit he lied.  Are you up for the challenge? Your honor is at stake.

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    I am referreing to your comments (none / 0) (#78)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:54:37 PM EST
    ...on the Tamir Rice shooting.  You were clear that you don'[t believe that the officer did anything wrong.  One reason given by every defender of the officer is that Tamir was big for his age.

    If you don't respond to my comments, I will still make them, and then they will stand unchallenged.

    Your choice.  I don't care one way or another.

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    Wow. The sexism is deep (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:23:36 PM EST
    I didn't bring up the accusers looks, you did. My implication is the the reputation for models, actresses and especially reality TV stars for being a little crazy and willing to sleep with someone to advance their career.

    This explains a lot.

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    Got a link? (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:09:04 PM EST
    Women are tough on other women.  Especially in rape cases.

    So you say.  Can you show me evidence of that?

    Physical attractiveness is a slightly different topic. I won't open that can of worms now.
     
    You already did, by suggesting that the fact that the women involved were actresses and models had something to do with the strength of the case.

    Does it or doesn't it?  If their attractiveness is not relevant, why did you bring it up?

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    Yes, he (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:04:47 PM EST
    had a link

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    I too wish Jeralyn was interested (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Green26 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:54:09 AM EST
    While Cosby appears to have been a bad and yucky guy, I'm not so sure he will get convicted. Blacks on a jury probably aren't going to be inclined to convict. The prosecution has the admission that some type of drugs were involved, but Cosby had an explanation contrary to what the prosecution asserts.

    The accuser kept meeting up with him on many occasions, even after she says that he hit on her a couple times. What if Cosby says they were doing stuff frequently, and that's why he'd invite her over? She came to his house this time, after he told her that they'd be alone and she said wear something comfortable. Her admission. Cosby says they kissed and cuddled on a number of occasions. I wonder if some jurors might ask why she kept coming back for more.

    If some of the other similar incients could be admitted, which I assume they won't be (but don't know), then conviction would be easier. I think that's why many would assume he was guilty--because we have that background from the media.

    He will have good lawyers and resources. I would think he might testify, but perhaps not. Perhaps that would be too dangerous and risky for him. You criminal defense lawyers would know.

    On the subject of lying, I will say that in the handful of sexual assault matters I have been involved with for some reason or had good access to information, my view/impression was that the accuser exaggerated in all of the cases and lied over some things in most of the cases. Some of the exaggerations and lies came earlier on in conversations with examining medical people, counselors, friends or others.  None of the cases were false allegations. I suppose the accused may have exaggerated or lied too, but they didn't all testify and that wasn't the focus for me. On the other hand, much of the testimony was seemingly honest, even things that hurt the case.  

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    Blacks on the jury? (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:12:53 PM EST
    Well fortunately there was several black victims so maybe it will all, you know, "balance out"

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    Capt, it won't balance out because (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:25:08 AM EST
    some jurors will know and have respect for respect Cosby, will be inclined to believe him, and won't be inclined to convict him. You must not be a lawyer.

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    You said (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:14:52 AM EST
    "Blacks on the jury"
    Now you are tap dancing like you always do when you say something revealing of your thought processes   If its about "knowing and respecting him" why is it about "blacks on the jury".  I would imagine in sheer numbers there are more whites who "know and respect him"

    You said "blacks on the jury" and that's what you meant.  Own it for once.

    And no I'm not a lawyer.  But I think I could have been a pretty good one.


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    CaptHowdy... (none / 0) (#98)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:20:36 AM EST
    not to change the subject but I think??, you may be the first to post this new year.  Way to go sir.

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    Ha (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:22:17 AM EST
    I wasn't out very late.   The Dogs said I had to be home by midnight or I would be grounded.

    Nappy new year Mr Fish

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    upon further investigation (none / 0) (#100)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:48:26 AM EST
    it appears shoephone was the first to post at 3:45 am.  Sleepless in Seattle...

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    Ha. I got home around 1:45 a.m. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:48:58 PM EST
    (and couldn't let a disingenuous, misleading comment go unanswered.) So, I haven't changed since last year. ;-)

    Happy New Year!

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    Oh fishcamp, just to clarify... (none / 0) (#112)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:09:26 PM EST
    yours was not the disingenuous, misleading comment I referred to...

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    Ah... (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:28:51 PM EST
    but in which time zone?
    upon further investigation (none / 0) (#100)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:48:26 AM MDT

    it appears shoephone was the first to post at 3:45 am.  Sleepless in Seattle...

    Happy New Year.

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    Story of my life (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:51:28 AM EST


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    wrong again it was... (none / 0) (#102)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:55:11 AM EST
    Green26 at 12:29 am.  Hope these two wrongs of mine turn into many rights for the rest of the year.  Of course, that does not include a President from the right.

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    Capt, I am happy to "own" what I post (none / 0) (#108)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:29:15 PM EST
    Just read it. Many blacks will be inclined to side with Cosby. Some people, regardless of color, who know and have respected him, will also be inclined to side with him. Of course, evidence and credibility of witnesses can overcome these things.

    In this case, much of the evidence is already known and locked in. What has changed since 2005 or so when the prosecutor declined to prosecute? No facts, to my knowledge. Only allegations from other women, lots of press, and a new prosecutor. Now if the other allegations can it, which I assume they won't be, then Cosby would be in trouble.

    In white collar cases in which I have been involved or knowledgeable, we were always very aware of what the jury may look like when we selected counsel for our defendants. For example, in a case brought in Wash DC, Ted Wells would usually be someone to consider.

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    So, finally.. (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:14:50 PM EST
    Who is that will "be inclined to side with Cosby"?

    "Blacks", "some blacks", or "many blacks"?

    Remember, this is the same Bill Cosby who's been going around railing at blacks for giving their kids funny names and for not taking personal responsibility for their lives..

    You're assuming a primal tribalistic circle-the-wagons reaction on the part of "blacks" that probably won't manifest in reality..

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    jondee, all of the above (2.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:45:35 PM EST
    Remember, I own my comments. All 3 of those words/phrases are correct. You must not be a lawyer, and have never been involved with analyzing or selecting a jury, or working with a jury consultant. Read the other posts being made too. You would learn something.

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    We are so lucky (5.00 / 4) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:08:01 PM EST
    To have the blinding brilliance of legal minds like yours to educate us non lawyers.

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    Capt, you need some education on legal matters (none / 0) (#126)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:48:53 PM EST
    Do you ever offer anything of substance, or do you just pick at things? You aren't even a challenge.

    Let's hear how you would analyze and choose jurors. Let's hear about your vast knowledge on racial matters.

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    I have done all those things (none / 0) (#129)
    by MKS on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 12:22:38 AM EST
    But I think Jondee is making good points.

    I think accepting racial stereotypes can be very foolish when doing voir dire.....That's what jury consultants are for, right?

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    Don't forget about the O.J. trial (none / 0) (#118)
    by McBain on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:50:10 PM EST
    Some didn't think the black community would rally behind Simpson because he lived in a fancy neighborhood and married a white woman.

    I think women in general will be inclined to side with Cosby once they see him in court and hear the evidence. Not sure if race will matter much.  

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    Some might (none / 0) (#121)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:45:25 PM EST
    Comedian Eddie Griffin lashed out at accusers of Bill Cosby and suggested there was a conspiracy in the U.S. to topple African-American cultural icons in a video interview published Wednesday on the hip-hop tabloid website VladTV.

    When asked about the slew of women who have alleged sexual misconduct, including drugging and assault, at the hands of the now 78-year-old comedian, Griffin said, "There is a systematic effort to destroy every black male entertainer's image. They want us all to have an asterisk by our name." He went on to reference the 2003 rape allegations against Kobe Bryant, child molestation accusations against the late pop star Michael Jackson and reports of excessive gambling regarding retired NBA star Michael Jordan as examples.

    "Nobody leaves this business clean," he added.

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    I don't think there's a conspiracy to destroy (none / 0) (#122)
    by McBain on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:24:03 PM EST
    Bill Cosby.  There's just the usual rush to judgement and ignorance of the law.

    The Kobe Bryant rape case was very strange.  It was a big deal at the time, but now, it's as if it never happened. Once the state of Colorado dropped the charges and he settled with the accuser (and his wife) Bryant was able to pretty much get back to his regular life, including lucrative endorsement deals.

    Michael Jackson, on the other hand, settled with more than one accuser and never regained his reputation.

     

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    "Rush to judgment?" (5.00 / 5) (#124)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:54:10 PM EST
    Congratulations!  You have the first unintentionally hilarious comment of 2016.

    I'm sure it won't be your last.

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    It did hurt Kobe (none / 0) (#128)
    by MKS on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 12:16:40 AM EST
    He was diminished by the events.

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    Didn't you mention (none / 0) (#127)
    by MKS on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 12:14:25 AM EST
    Ted Wells once before?

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    How can you be so sure the accusers-victims (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:14:15 PM EST
    were exaggerating (and about what, specifically?) if you didn't wittness the event firsthand?

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    Jondee, I know some were exaggerating or (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:29:05 AM EST
    lying, because they admitted at trial that what they had said previously was not true.

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    What trials? (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:45:15 AM EST


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    The trials of the sexual assault matters (none / 0) (#109)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:31:42 PM EST
    that I have been involved with. Not the Cosby accusers. In addition, in some jurisdiction, interviews of accusers are allowed. Sometimes accusers have admitted pre-trial that someone they said earlier was not true.

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    Which has nothing to do with Cosby situation (none / 0) (#110)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:46:10 PM EST


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    Thje comment was made and intended as a general (none / 0) (#113)
    by Green26 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:33:19 PM EST
    comment. It may or may not be relevant to the Cosby situation. None of us has enough information to know, including you shoephone.

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    Actually we do know. (5.00 / 5) (#114)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:52:24 PM EST
    Whatever happened is some trial in some city at some point in the past is completely irrelevant to the Cosby case.

    Next?

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    in this case... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by thomas rogan on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:17:04 AM EST
    The black jurors acquitted OJ Simpson for killing a white woman.  Most likely some black jurors would acquit Cosby for rape in this ONE very soft case when this white woman admitted that she used him as her "mentor" and kept returning to his house after saying that he fondled her.  
    This is the worst case for criminal proof beyond reasonable doubt.  

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    There's more to a he said/ she said than (none / 0) (#67)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:30:20 PM EST
    one is lying and one is telling the truth.  They both could be lying or even both telling the truth as they remember/understand.  

    I assume Cosby has a huge ego. He might think these women were going to sleep with him anyway, so giving them drugs to speed up the process isn't rape in his mind.

    Some of the accusers might be angry over a broken job related promise and think any sex that occurred in order to get that job must be rape.

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    Well, when you explain it that way... (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:22:37 PM EST
    He might think these women were going to sleep with him anyway, so giving them drugs to speed up the process isn't rape in his mind.

    Just a guess, but I'm betting his attorneys stay a couple of parsecs away from that "argument," which is basically, sure he raped them, but in his MIND it was okay.

    Some of the accusers might be angry over a broken job related promise and think any sex that occurred in order to get that job must be rape.

    Let me condense that for you.  The sluts didn't realize they had been raped until the check bounced.

    We don't know much about the individual "reputations" of the accusers, but we know one thing for certain about Cosby's personal ethics.  Does his documented history of sex outside his marriage with dozens of partners in any way compensate for the "implication" that models and actresses are sluts?

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    Another interesting topic is age difference (1.00 / 1) (#51)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:46:49 AM EST
    Each state decides what the legal age of consent is but different people have different reactions to older men being with much younger women.  For example, is it socially acceptable for a 50 year old man to have a sexual relationship with a 20 year old woman?

    The least interesting aspect of this situation will be the fall icon, America's dad discussion.  I was never a big Bill Cosby fan.  I couldn't really relate to the Cosby Show and didn't find it particularly funny. Basically, I don't care much about his legacy, I care more about his legal rights.  

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    Would that people cared as much (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:04:09 PM EST
    about the "legal rights" of thousands of men and women in this country rotting in prison -- stuck where they are to a large extent because they didn't have the luxery of having a dream team of high-priced suits weaving horse sh*t into Egyptian cotton for them..

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    No sh!t (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:11:05 PM EST
    If he had been gunned  down by police under a gazebo holding a plastic gun he would have totally deserved it.

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    "Age of Consent" (none / 0) (#64)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:10:12 PM EST
    has nothing to do with the rape charges leveled against him.

    Nice try, no soap.

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    The government, which abuses everything.... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:04:20 PM EST
    ...got it in before the deadline here, so they get a big whoopee I guess. Cosby will be fine, however, we all know that, he can outspend and outlast the prosecution on almost any of these cases, especially in these local budgetary times. Another pointless charade in a nation only capable of pointless charades these days.

    I hope he is convicted if guilty (5.00 / 4) (#89)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:19:44 PM EST
    And from the information I have, I believe he is so. At the same token I am grateful to the women who have stepped forward to tell of their experience with him. I am sure there are many men in the world shaking in their boots that they will be the next violator exposed. And well they should as this has taken a very long time to come to our front pages and encourage women to speak up of the date rape which people consider harmless in our society. Like the,oh, they did not report it so it did not happen. Happens a lot more often than you think.

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    I'm waiting (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 30, 2015 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    for the conservative reaction to all this. After all they've been the ones promoting and hiding behind Cosby for years now.

    Can't resist (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:43:39 PM EST
    You mean like the Demos hide behind Clinton?

    Mr. "It all depends on what the meaning of is, is."

    ;-)

    As for Cosby, there is a lot of smoke. Too much smoke for there not to be something. Maybe the trial will sort everything out.

    But sad. Always enjoyed his humor. Never watched his TV show...but the only sitcoms since about 1975 that I locked in on was Fraser and Seinfeld.

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    This reminds me of the Zimmerman case (none / 0) (#43)
    by NycNate on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:48:53 AM EST
    I'm not sure why this case has race undertones. Bill was widely loved by blacks and whites. And this woman seems to be mixed race. I've heard some people saying the prosecutor isnpolitically motivated, similar to Angela Corey was at the time.

    This case doesn't interest me from a legal perspective. But the racial storylines always prove interesting.

    Please define the term for me (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:22:40 AM EST
    the racial storylines always prove interesting.

    I hadn't heard any "racial storylines."  It's not like Bill Cosby has to use the "colored only" restroom or drinking fountain.  I can't even figure out what a "racial storyline" is.  This case is about rape, and the fact that Mr. Cosby is Black does not seem to have any bearing on his alleged predatory sexual practices.  

    If "racial storylines always prove interesting" they must be fairly common.  I consider myself reasonably up to date on modern culture, so I am surprised to hear an apparently common term that I had never run across before.  Please provide a few examples of these "[always interesting] racial storylines" so I will understand your thinking.  What makes them "interesting?"  

    The term does not yet have any meaning for me.

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    No race tone on this one (none / 0) (#90)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:25:05 PM EST
    Jeez I hadn't even thought about his being black. He was always just Bill Cosby. I am amazed until you just mentioned it that anyone would even think about race. Bill has been white for years. I Spy.


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    What I don't understand is (none / 0) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:05:27 PM EST
    why would a "superstar" like Cosby need drugs to take advantage of his dates? A guy like him would've had, literally, thousands of women throwing themselves at him, and, many would have acquiesced to anything he wanted to do.

    The only answer I could come up with was something my father (a psychiatrist) told me when I asked him why so many stars drank & drugged themselves to death when they could have gotten anything they wanted without going so overboard.

    He said many super successful people, after they'd reached the pinnacle of their careers, suffered from what was, euphemistically, called the, "is that all there is" syndrome. In other words, climbing the ladder was lots of fun, attaining superstardom was a real blast, but, after living "on top" for a while, a kind of depression sets in. While many laypeople may find it hard to believe, or even, hypocritical, a lot of super-achievers will tell you that, "getting there," was more fun & exhilarating, than, actually reaching the "Top."

    And, so, once the realization sets in that there's nothing more they can do to equal the excitement they experienced on their climb to the top they look elsewhere to keep the rush going i.e. alcohol, drugs, and, over-the-top-sex.

    Makes sense, what do you think?

    Rape isn't about substituting (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:21:28 PM EST
    for a lack of relationships, it's about using sex as way to exert power and control over someone. Cosby is not only accused of rape by over forty women, he is known to have had a number of consensual extramarital affairs throughout the years, with at least one daughter to have been the result. So, especially in his case, it is not a matter of one thing substituting for another.

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    It's impossible for me to imagine (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:48:18 PM EST
    someone ever raping someone that they truly respected, felt a genuine affection for and sense of solidarity with..

    Which helps explain why war and rape have always gone together..

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    Some of the women who have (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 12:15:10 AM EST
    Come forward say they were assaulted by Cosby in 1965. He hadn't reached his peak of fame yet. I think Cosby's affinity for raping women was on board before he became a celebrity.

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    True.. (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:36:56 PM EST
    plus, famous people experience a kind of surreal enforced narcissism reinforced by a celebrity-obsessed "public" that allows famous people very little, if any, of the necessary, healthy anonymity and solitude that the rest of us take for granted..

    There's a danger of people experiencing a deep existential crisis if they start believing too much what people say about them before they've gained real self-knowledge.

    And then, of course, along with the danger of self-alienation, there's the perrenial problem of the corrupting influence of the kind of power that comes with money and influence..

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    There's something about (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:45:56 PM EST
    The idea of drugging a person to have your way.  Without assuming anyone's guilt innocence just something very creepy.   Almost more creepy than physically forcing yourself on someone.  At least to me.  Sort of like the ultimate objectification.  Not the act of a healthy mind I think.

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    Yes...it is about wanting to do it with a drugged (none / 0) (#91)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:34:59 PM EST
    out zombie...the only way to get that effect is to use the drugs. As others have said, he could have active, mutually fun sex with plenty of women if he wanted. This was not that.

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    I hear you, food for thought (none / 0) (#103)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:40:23 AM EST
    Now that I think about it, I'm reminded about my own adventures "back in the day." I was sort of surprised how many young ladies asked for, actually demanded, so-called "rough sex." I'm not at all judgmental about what turns people on, as long as no one is hurt, "to each their own," is my thinking.

    But, personally, for me, I just wasn't into that. Gotta say, it cut short what began as some very promising evenings.

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    Not exactly what I meant (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:47:57 AM EST
    But yes.  Things like 50 Shades have given voice to the love that dare not speak its name.

    But gay men, no offense, were way ahead of you.  And being a big aggressive guy....
    Well, I live to serve.

    But that's  participatory.  Mutual.  It requires a responsive partner in both directions.  As ruffian said,  the other is something very different.

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    You? Agressive? (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:59:27 AM EST
    Shut up!!

    lol

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    God, I just re-read what I wrote above (none / 0) (#105)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:57:17 AM EST
    I hope no one concludes from that, that I, in any way, condone, or even, "understand," Cosby's, allegedly, disgusting behavior.

    While Cosby surely could've found women who enjoyed play-acting rough victim sex, he, more than likely, preferred the real thing to the acting kind.

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    It's pretty hard to "act" any way on.. (none / 0) (#116)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:24:11 PM EST
    quaaludes..

    It's pretty obvious that this is a guy who had rape fantasies that he tried to find a way to act out that didn't entail hitting a woman over the head and dragging her into the bushes.

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