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College pigskin is back!

And tomorrow the inaugural game choices.

Expecting to return to my 60% hit rate!

A little taste tonight - Boise State (-12) over Washington

Mich State (-16) over Western Michigan

Over 71 in the Baylor-SMU game.

Open Thread.

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    Go Gators! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:37:40 PM EST


    Uh, go 'Noles! (4.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:19:14 PM EST


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    Go Gators! (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:40:55 PM EST


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    Lets (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:47:09 PM EST
    hope they actually have an offense this year.

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    They had an offense the last couple years (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:06:07 PM EST
    it just happened to be offensive to watch.

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    Go, Ducks!!! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:25:56 PM EST
    Despite all the faux-drama surrounding Vernon Adams' return to his former school, the real drama will be centered on the big O's offense. Can a QB not schooled since freshman year in the ways of the Ducks lead the team to victory after mere weeks of practice with the team?

    I say "Yes!". Go, Ducks!

    RightWingWatch (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:29:22 PM EST
    literally can't keep up with all weeping and walin and pi$$in and moanin.

    I wonder if they have any idea how much fun reading about them is for me?  If this continues they will literally be setting their hair on fire by Monday

    It is Insane... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:31:21 PM EST
    ...so they not only damaged the republican brand for years, now they are going to do the same the christianity.
    In yet another column defending the Kentucky clerk, Fox News pundit Todd Starnes said that "perhaps one day, students of history will read not only letters from a Birmingham jail, but letters from a Kentucky jail." He even likened Judge David Bunning, the Bush-appointee who held Davis in contempt of court, to Bull Connor.

    Promoting his Tuesday rally in Kentucky defending county clerk Kim Davis, Mike Huckabee told Fox News that the government has been more accommodating to detainees in Guantanamo Bay than Kim Davis.

    On Wednesday, anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis' lawyer Mat Staver, founder of the right-wing legal group Liberty Counsel, compared Davis to a Jew living in Nazi Germany.

    It's no wonder the GOP doesn't care about civil rights and torture, they think it's the equivalent to spending the night in jail.

    I would be nice if just one of them could pretend to have any sense, Jews in Nazi Germany did not get a paycheck while they voluntarily sat in jail.  FOCK.

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    "letters from a Kentucky Jail" (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 10:29:06 PM EST
    "It's a day ta make any mama proud.  My oldest boy finally finished relocating his pharmaceuticals laboratory.  And my yungest jest got herself gradiated from the Louisville Academy of Lapdancing..."

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    Congrats to Kim (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:50:45 PM EST
    for showing everybody how ugly fundamentalist Christianity is.

    Honestly, Huckabee should be the GOP nominee. He's defended her, the Duggars and every other nut out there.

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    Since the Friday Open just vanished, (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:16:20 PM EST
    here's the comment I just posted there:

    The Ted Cruz statement on Kim Davis made me want to throw something...

    "Today, judicial lawlessness crossed into judicial tyranny. Today, for the first time ever, the government arrested a Christian woman for living according to her faith. This is wrong. This is not America.

    "I stand with Kim Davis. Unequivocally. I stand with every American that the Obama Administration is trying to force to choose between honoring his or her faith or complying with a lawless court opinion.

    "In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts rightly observed that the Court's marriage opinion has nothing to do with the Constitution. Justice Scalia observed that the Court's opinion was so contrary to law that state and local officials would choose to defy it.

    "For every politician -- Democrat and Republican -- who is tut-tutting that Davis must resign, they are defending a hypocritical standard. Where is the call for the mayor of San Francisco to resign for creating a sanctuary city -- resulting in the murder of American citizens by criminal illegal aliens welcomed by his lawlessness?

    "Where is the call for President Obama to resign for ignoring and defying our immigration laws, our welfare reform laws, and even his own Obamacare?

    "When the mayor of San Francisco and President Obama resign, then we can talk about Kim Davis.

    "Those who are persecuting Kim Davis believe that Christians should not serve in public office. That is the consequence of their position. Or, if Christians do serve in public office, they must disregard their religious faith-or be sent to jail.

    "Kim Davis should not be in jail. We are a country founded on Judeo-Christian values, founded by those fleeing religious oppression and seeking a land where we could worship God and live according to our faith, without being imprisoned for doing so.

    "I call upon every Believer, every Constitutionalist, every lover of liberty to stand with Kim Davis. Stop the persecution now."

    If he really believes what he's saying, and isn't just pandering for votes, I'd have to say this man is too stupid to hold any public office, much less the presidency.

    I swear, these people will not be satisfied until we are all living under fundamentalist Christian rule.

    Stand with Kim Davis, my a$$.

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    Of the 17 presidential candidates (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:27:42 PM EST
    3 have said they stand with the rule of law.  Carly, Lindsey and interestingly IMO, Donald.

    I have not seen a Kasich statement but who cares.  Jeb, Bobby, Huck (especially Huck, Rand and all the rest are in the same place.

    That says more about the republican base than any one candidate.


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    ThinkProgress (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:31:28 PM EST
    this is a bit out of date.  Donald weighed on this morning.

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    And, then there is (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:23:25 PM EST
    Marco Rubio, who says "there should be a way" for Clerk Davis to keep her job even though she refuses to do her job.  And, Ted Cruz, who is a Harvard Law graduate, speaks about "lawless" court decision.  But, then, recalling that the Unabomber also went to Harvard, gives some perspective.

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    These are the same people who tell (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 09:43:52 AM EST
    the poor and unemployed they should take a job any job and quit whining who are now saying that you should be able to refuse to do the job you were hired for without any negative consequences..

    Because they believe in personal responsibility..

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    He (none / 0) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:41:38 PM EST
    is also relatively sensible on the Iran deal Not to mention his stance on raising  taxes on the rich and  "defense" of SS and medicare.

    I can see his appeal to the Reagan Democrats, who are tired of waiting for their trickle down, tired of the moral scolds, tired of having to police the world on our dime while our streets and highways crumble and turn into free fire zones.

    Too bad it has to be delivered smothered in sexism, racism and other assorted crudeness. Too bad those Reagan Democrats won't vote Democratic in any big numbers any time soon.

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    Cruz... (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:45:17 PM EST
    Those who are persecuting Kim Davis believe that Christians should not serve in public office.

    Isn't every judge that touched with this case on record as being christian ?  I mean for focks sake, 83% of the country is christian and all but 1 or 2 in Congress are christian, the president, the SCOTUS, all christians.

    Never mind the other clerks throughout the country who are christian and are signing certificates, I am guessing about 83%.

    The idea that christians are being persecuted by the government is just so fricken grating.  The hate filled class is without a dumb being marginalized, exposed, and called out.  

    At least have the decency to call this what it is.

    The good news, every breathe of hot air about poor Mrs Davis is one not used to screech eghazi.

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    Two things: (1) you don't understand (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:16:54 PM EST
    what these folks mean by "Christian." To them, that word connotes "of the particular extremist Christian sub-sect that I believe in." Others who subscribe to religions that say they are based on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and/or believe that Jesus was the son of God, are not actually "Christians," by this definition. And (2), no, by that definition there are Zero "Christians" on the Supreme Court. By the definition used by people whose goal it is to communicate successfully in the English language, on the other hand, there are six Christians on the Supreme Court (all Roman Catholics - Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito and Sotomayor) and three Jews (Ginsburg, Breyer and Kagan). Oddly enough, in a nation that is a bit over 50% Protestant, there are currently no Protestants on the Supreme Court of the U.S.

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    Well, given that a whole lot of (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:18:52 PM EST
    Evangelical Christians seem to believe in "The Rapture," very frankly, wouldn't it be great for the rest of us if they were "raptured" up to wherever?  Then we could all get on with our lives without having to deal with their extremist beliefs.

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    Then we'd be enraptured, as well.. (none / 0) (#194)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 04:13:19 PM EST
    sounds like a regular win-win for all parties concerned.

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    It can't (none / 0) (#195)
    by FlJoe on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 04:23:27 PM EST
     happen a moment too soon, maybe it's time to "petition the Lord with prayer" over this issue.

    Maybe president Trump will round them up and ship them off to heaven on golden boxcars...or something.

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    Gag (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:49:27 PM EST
    worthy is correct. Reading about what he said is bad enough. Hearing him actually say things like this makes me cringe.

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    A friend shared (none / 0) (#45)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 09:12:43 PM EST
    How can 2 people who believe in the sanctity of marriage (Trump & Davis) have 7 marriages, 5 divorces, and 1 affair between them?

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    One is a hypocrite, as best I can tell, (none / 0) (#90)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:42:49 PM EST
    and the other is a fairly recent convert. Past conduct inconsistent with one current beliefs is not hypocrisy, if the beliefs are new ones, as Davis's seem to be. Seems to me that the attacks on her for hypocrisy are ill-informed. I think the discussion is more interesting if it stays on the subject of secular law and courts versus individual, minority religious belief that dissents from governing law.

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    I have a different, overall take, (none / 0) (#117)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:29:22 PM EST
    while agreeing that the controlling issue is the law of the land.  Indeed, Clerk Davis is being held in contempt of court for not following the court's order to issue marriage licenses.--after appellate and supreme court denials of stays.  And, because she would not agree to a deal not to cause interference with those of her deputies who were willing to do so.

    However, the derivation of the lawful court order and her refusal to comply. rests upon the insidious claim of superior moral authority--that of God.   An authority that speaks to, and justifies, anti-gay behavior on the spurious basis that the discharge of her ministerial duties makes her a participant or otherwise causes her to endorse a marriage to which she finds morally abhorrent.

    Behavior that is an abuse of secular authority to such an extent that she holds that God draws that cloak not only over her, but all her deputies.

    If Clerk Davis is acting out her moral superiority to the harm of others, as the court, essentially, holds, that moral basis deserves scrutiny.  The zealotry of the convert's present claim to religious asceticism does not, ipso facto, also relieve the question of hypocrisy in the present.  Indeed, hypocrisy is a way of camouflaging present  faults and past transgressions.   It is necessary to see through the piety and call this Tartuffe of Rowan County on the  underlying basis of her bigotry.

    Not content to exert her own beliefs, Clerk Davis claims from her jail cell, that the licenses issued by her deputies are "not worth the paper they're written on."   Contrary to KY law, once again, so as to keep her absurd p.c. (persecution of Christians) alive.  


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    The county attorney (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:54:28 PM EST
    says she full of it concerning the legality of the documents.

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    Yes, KY law says (none / 0) (#124)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 03:21:59 PM EST
    that a marriage license must contain "an authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license," --such statement is pre-printed on the form. And, state law does not require a clerk's signature on the license.  To be valid, the license must have "the signature of the county clerk or deputy clerk issuing the license."

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    I hope the deputy clerks that issued licenses (none / 0) (#149)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:42:55 PM EST
    yesterday signed them. At least on news story I read stated that they did not.

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    I don't really understand this... (none / 0) (#151)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:00:17 PM EST
    is it your experience, Peter, that clerks of court must physically sign all documents, or rather that the clerk's name is signed, but often by those in the clerk's office who are authorized to do so?

    I'm thinking about the issuing of Letters of Administration in estates here in MD; those certificates all carry the name of the Register of Wills, but more often than not, the Register him- or herself was not the one who actually signed them - they get signed by any number of people in the office with authorization.

    If Court clerks and such were required to personally sign everything coming through their offices that needed signatures, they'd have no time to do anything but sign documents.

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    My experience with court documents is (none / 0) (#161)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:15:45 PM EST
    that the Clerk's signature is typically pre-printed or else rubber-stamped onto an official form, judgment or court order, and then a deputy clerk signs "by s/[name of deputy]. But admittedly I have never gotten a marriage license in Kentucky. And it was almost 40 years ago when we got our license in Philadelphia, so I don't remember exactly what that looked like either.

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    I also read (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    they did not sign them.   See below reply to you

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    Huckabee is just (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:16:32 PM EST
    defending another "Muck Dynasty."   Clerk Davis' mother had the job for 27 years before she did, and she has her son as one of her deputies.  And, too, Huckabee is an angry man--still mad that as a teenager he did not pretend to be transgender so he could shower with the girls.   That sure would have cleared out the girls showers in a hurry, me thinks.

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    Plus, just on the rules... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 10:46:19 PM EST
    Is contempt of court a bailable offense? What sense would that make?

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    Civil contempt is not an offense at all (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:21:38 PM EST
    Davis is not in jail on any criminal charge or conviction. She is in jail for civil contempt, to coerce her into complying with a court order. As soon as she relents, or the judge decides she cannot be coerced, or her refusal becomes immaterial to the ability of eligible couples in her county to obtain valid marriage licenses, she will go free. Unless she is then charged with a crime and doesn't make bail.

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    Actually it's not just about (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:44:11 PM EST
    her being coerced.   He offered to not jail her if she would allow others in the office to issue the documents.  She flatly refused.  She will remain in jail, I expect, until she says she will not interfere with the business of the office as far as marriage licenses are concerned.

    So far she has shown no interest in that arrangement.

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    That exactly the attempted coercive effect (none / 0) (#162)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:19:06 PM EST
    "until she says she will not interfere with the business of the office as far as marriage licenses are concerned."

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    I see (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:34:11 PM EST
    i was thinking you meant forcing her to do it or resign.

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    Thanks so much for the explanation (none / 0) (#129)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:22:36 PM EST
    Now can you tell Mike Huckabee to STFU about bail? He is so sanctimonious and the rubes eat it right up. Ugh.

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    The very idea of bail (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:25:25 PM EST
    for contempt of court is laughable.  I mean I'm not a lawyer but that would make absolutely no sense.

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    True enough, but at the same time (none / 0) (#181)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:40:32 AM EST
    the order holding Davis in contempt and imposing a coercive sanction is itself appealable. And in fact I believe has been appealed already. If the Sixth Circuit court of appeals thinks there is a substantial question about the legality of how Judge Bunning handled the situation, they could grant a stay of the sanction, which would look pretty similar to bail. So maybe that what Huckabee was "thinking." ;)

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    Ha! She is being compared to MLK.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:33:23 PM EST
    Can't wait to read her Letter from a Lexington Jail. Should be a doozy.

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    I want to see her in (none / 0) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:48:29 PM EST
    jail house garb.  Only to see her in something more stylish than what we have seen so far. Her Kathy Bates "Misery" is not a good look. Guess she hates gays so much she rejects the  idea of fashion.

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    They will have to give her (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:51:52 PM EST
    an Orange moo moo.   She is not allowed to wear pants.

    Really.

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    I asked my former boss about this. (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:57:51 PM EST
    they are notorious for wearing skirts made of blue jeans.   One day I said what's up with that.  She explained that it is their way of "rebelling" since they are not allowed to wear pants.  The make skirts out of pants.

    I am not making this up.

    I was delivering lunches for a senior citizens center and the codgers are infamous for saying what's on their mind.   As you can imagine turning a pair of jeans into a floor length skirt rather limits the length of your stride.  One day I heard an old geezer say,  how do ya run?   What do ya do if somebody's chasin ya?

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    What do you do?? (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:13:59 PM EST
    You pick your skirt/dress up to your waist and you are unencumbered and can run quite nicely.

    And please tell your boss that another member of the mid-south who has had a lot of exposure to Appalachia culture has never heard that wearing a skirt made of denim is actually a revolt against authority.

    And I suspect she never had either.  

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    I thought the picking-up-skirts (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:16:52 PM EST
    thing was for accomadating male relatives on moonlit nights in the holler..

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    Ohhhhhhhh....snap (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:58:47 PM EST


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    No no (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:37:05 PM EST
    i know some of the guys too.  It's a very interesting arrangement the guys have.   They don't really have to do much of anything.  Most would be taken for bikers if you saw them walking down the street.  In fact all of the three or four I knew, the husbands and boyfriends of the women who ran the center, rode motorcycles.
    I found out that while it's sort of frowned on men drink and chase women.  Just not cult member women.  They save them for marriage.  I found this out because in a conversation with one of my young female coworkers who was about to get married she said she and her intended, who I knew, had never kissed.  And would not until they were married.   So later when alone with the intended, who did not really seem like the type, I asked about that.   And he more or less explained it to me.  
    It didn't seem like it was a secret or privileged information as far as he was concerned.
    The rules are pretty much all about the women.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:58:56 PM EST
    i think one of the reasons they liked me was because they liked my bike.  Motorcycle.  Which I rode to work every day.

    Interestingly, at least to me, they also knew I was gay.  Or I assume they did because I told my boss befor she hired me.  I could see what I was getting into and I wanted no problems later.  Plus I didn't really "need" the job.  She was nonplussed.  
    Sans cult we could have been friends.  We talked about her past as a pot dealer.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 03:39:15 PM EST
    i have one more connection with the guys.   I mentioned it a while back and J didn't seem to appreciate it so I will not rehash it.
    Just say it has to do with farmers only dot com.

    :)

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    Why don't you stick to thing you understand (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:24:06 PM EST
    like climate change and Pam Gellers talking points.

    Hm?

    You don't know what you are talking about.  Which is certainly nothing new.  In this case you done even know what you think you are talking about.    

    My boss has been a cult member for about 20 years.  And she is not the only one who worked there.  They are rather notorious for hiring their own.  There was three others.  The discussion I referred to was between all 4.  We were having lunch.  We had quite a friendly relationship.  They were quite open about customs like dress and hair.   I actually know quite a bit about the subject.  Unlike yourself who is just talking out your ass as usual.  FWIW this thing about the denim skirts happens to be quite a commonly known fact.  ga6th and I have discussed it several times.   In fact they are know around here as skirt pushers.

    So stop acting like you know something you don't.   It's even more annoying and tiresome than blowing climate denial out your ass.

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    One interesting bit about the hair (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 03:12:06 PM EST
    i was a little surprised to see Davis with her hair down.   These women I knew never wore their hair down.  It was always up.  In some kind of knot.  The only time I ever saw my boss with her hair down was early one morning.  I complimented her on how nice it was and she looked a bit sheepish said it was drying and went straight to her office and put it up.  

    I'm sure there are many permutations of the cult but so maybe rules are different but if you look at pictures of Davis most of them until recently her hair is up.  Just like the ladys at the senior center.   I asked of of the noncult women who was there when I was about that and she speculated that she had it down because she wanted everyone to see the hair so they would know who and what she was.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    I knew instantly when I saw it.

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    Capt, either your boss or you (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:18:48 PM EST
    are making things up.

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    Shut up (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:21:20 PM EST
    and go away

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    It's (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:20:58 PM EST
    not Appalachian culture silly. It's IFB culture which apparently you don't know much about. I guess we can add that to the many other things you don't know much about but profess to know about.

    Talk radio and Fox makes you ignorant Jim.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:59:40 PM EST
    someone named James Earl Gay will seal the deal....mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

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    Reminds me of my favorite family story... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 07:31:08 PM EST
    The summer of 77 when Ray escaped from jail and was briefly on the lam, my family was moving from Illinois to California, went east first to visit other family, then west...three week road trip in two cars, stopping at every Denny's along the way. My brother filled out every comment card about the service, signing it James Earl Ray, transient.

    So you can't scare me away with bad James earl Ray puns!

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    TEEEEEBOOOOW!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    Eagles trade Barkley, Tebow gonna make the team.

    Or not (none / 0) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:44:11 AM EST


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    Sorry, Armando, the Eagles cut (none / 0) (#155)
    by caseyOR on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:40:30 PM EST
    Tebow. No idea where he goes now. And the Eagles have just two QBs, Bradford and Sanchez, neither of whom has had much success in  the NFL. Oh well, I am sure Chip Kelly has a plan that will be revealed to us all in due time.

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    It appears (none / 0) (#166)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:31:01 PM EST
    Multiple teams cut their 3rd QB, apparently for financial reasons, the contract is not then guaranteed. However, they may resign them after the 2nd game without having to offer them a guaranteed contract. Tebow , and others may be re-signed in week 3

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    One more on Mr Robot (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:59:10 PM EST
    Really good interview with show runner Sam Esmail on Grantland. Some hints for next season...I think we are going to see more of Elliot's backstory and breakdown.

    I really admire his strong commitment to his point of view and wanting to tell the story his way. It is clear everything was planned out and intentional. It is what makes it a stand-out show IMO.

    BTW, Grantland has several good pop culture podcasts if you are into that kind of thing....

    I just decided I'd like to remake Breaking Bad (none / 0) (#28)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:26:58 PM EST
    with Christian Slater and Rami Malek in the lead roles. Just for fun, nothing against Cranston and Paul, both of whom I adore.

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    Caught between a Trump (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:12 AM EST
    and a hard place

    Talk in G.O.P. Turns to a Stop Donald Trump Campaign

    Quiet conversations have begun in recent weeks among some of the Republican Party's biggest donors and normally competing factions, all aimed at a single question: How can we stop Donald Trump?

    But the mammoth big-money network assembled by Republicans in recent years is torn about how best to defuse the threat Mr. Trump holds for their party, and haunted by the worry that any concerted attack will backfire.

    In phone calls, private dinners and occasional consultations among otherwise rivalrous outside groups, many have concluded that Mr. Trump's harsh manner and continued attacks on immigrants and women were endangering the party's efforts to compete in the general election.

    "Obviously the discussions have changed to say, `He's someone who's going to be there right to the end,' " said Ronald Weiser, a real estate developer and former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party.

    While many Republican leaders and donors are convinced that something must be done to stop the billionaire Manhattan developer, few seem ready to take him on directly, given Mr. Trump's tendency to counterattack viciously.

    Should read the whole thing.  Multiple LOLs

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 09:38:00 AM EST
    lots of LOLs. The GOP is being done in by their own selfish desires and alliances with people like Citizens United.

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    I think the poor Republicans (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:05:30 AM EST
    are barking up the wrong tree if they think they can bring Trump down.  The only one who can bring Trump down is Trump. And, the only way Trump can bring Trump down is by not being Trump.

    As soon as he tries to become "presidential," moderating his outbursts, choosing words carefully, being reasonable and conciliatory he will put himself on the skids.

    His appeal, it seems to me, is his willingness to say all the dastardly things that are thought by the Republican base, or curbed if someone unknown walks into the room. An outrage a day will keep the other clowns at bay. And, Trump on top.

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    Saturday geek (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:17:12 AM EST
    Riding the Light

    This animation illustrates, in realtime, the journey of a photon of light emitted from the surface of the sun and traveling across a portion of the solar system, from a human perspective.

    Side note to self-

    When you wash your car and everyone notices you washed your car, it might mean you should do it more often.

    Like you should change your (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:27:16 AM EST
    wardrobe when people say "excuse me, do you work here?"

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    Pretty cool (5.00 / 3) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:43:09 PM EST
    This Wooden Carving Is Twice As Old As The Pyramids

    A mysterious wooden statue, extracted from a peat bog in Eastern Russia in the 19th century, has been dated back 11,000 years by a team of German scientists this week, making what was already the world's oldest wooden carving even older.

    The idol was carbon dated in 1997, which indicated it was roughly 9,500 years old, but a new team of scientists has re-analyzed the object using accelerator mass spectrometry, a much more sensitive method. This revealed that it was actually created around 1,500 years earlier, at the start of the Holocene epoch - the beginning of the period in which humans began to dominate the world.
    Every Notice... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    ...how the christian class* never used their beliefs to promote the actual teaching of jesus.  Things like compassion, respect, love, peace, and forgiveness.

    They are either stomping on someone in the name of god or insisting their hate is god's will.

    *By christian class I don't mean the vast majority of christians.  I mean the ones all up in arms today over Davis.

    In reading about this (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:24:04 PM EST
    i recently came across this from the Atlantic.  FWIW I completely agree

    Fundamentalism's failure to encourage genuine, humble and humane faith that can finally come to terms with science and history is critical to this, which is why, increasingly, I think a reform of Christianity is central to preserving the liberal constitutional state. What has replaced real faith is, in fact, a form of neurotic attachment to literalism in Scripture (effectively debunked by scholarship), to authority figures who enforce order, if not coherence, onto otherwise chaotic lives (think Dobson or Ratzinger or Warren), rigid attachment to untruths in human history (as in denial of evolution), or the insistence of maintaining the appearance of Godliness to avoid confronting real human sin (think Ted Haggard or the countless child-abusing priests). None of this helps anyone actually cope with modern life, because it is too opposed to modern life. And so fundamentalism as a coping mechanism in fact  makes it all much worse, as rising rates of dysfunction, family breakdown, illegitimacy, abortion, HIV transmission, and drug abuse in the Christianist states reveal - just as the sexual dysfunction in Islamist societies cripples and immiserates them. If you want to find Ground Zero for this confluence of poverty, isolation, Christianism and meth, take a trip to Wasilla, Alaska, whence the new Esther has emerged.

    The core element of Christianism and Islamism is denial: denial of a diverse world, denial of history, denial of science, denial of secular authority in favor of an ever-more rigid ideology, conveyed directly into the bloodstream through the web or FNC or other propaganda outlets.



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    I would throw Orthodox Judaism (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:01:50 AM EST
    in there, as well.

    A knife-weilding fanatic just stabbed six people marching in a Pride parade in Israel..

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    Seems Reasonable... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:59:37 PM EST
    ...but I think religion reflects oneself, if you are a hate filled d-bag, then your god is a hate filled d-bag.  None of these clowns, miraculously, never have talk with god in which it tells them they are completely off base.

    With that, they think that because they are unhappy, so is their god, and if they feel like the only way to deal with others is through violence and hate, then the only way their god will accept them is through violence and hate.

    God always seems to tell people to do things that, coincidentally, are the things they want to do, like hate gays, run for President, or invade Iraq.  It never says those people you hate are my creation, so quit the non-sense and treat them with love and respect.

    Anyways, the point I am getting to is religion allows hate filled d-bags to believe that their god is a hate filled douche bag.  So even though I wasn't headed in this direction, it is a coping mechanism of sorts in that they think if they do god's work, which in reality is their own work, they don't have to deal with the reality that they are hate-filled d-bags that no sane being would ever include in some sort of post-life utopia.

    Christ, imagine getting to heaven and bunking with Huckabee, Santorum, and Bin Laden.  An eternity of, "But god said..."

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    I don't think heaven is where those (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:15:09 PM EST
    guys are likely going to be hanging out...

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    I once told my older brother (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:40:34 PM EST
    who is fundamentalist Church of Christ and who believe only their church members will go to heaven, that if that was in fact true, I would pass.

    None of this is new to me.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:57:07 PM EST
    Donald is in negotiations with Satan for Trump Towers Hades. Rumor has it the deal is close to done after Trump agreed to reserve an entire floor for Dick Cheney.

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    He will eat Satans lunch (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:00:32 PM EST


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    Cheney-burgers? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 10:40:41 PM EST


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    He very well may be (none / 0) (#60)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:08:22 AM EST
    And I still don't think he will be the nominee

    Although I have been wrong before,

    Will have to write this off as being to far out

    to have any relevance...but makes one think

    http://tinyurl.com/pbvywdw

    Survey USA poll

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:27:24 AM EST
    am highly suspect of a poll that is giving Trump  ~25% AA and ~30% Hispanic in matchups against all the Democrats.

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    The County Clerk in the news did (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 08:27:58 PM EST
    that she wants to get i to heaven, which is why she is holding firm.  

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    Well, that calls for some Bob Dylan, ... (none / 0) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:42:04 AM EST
    ... "Knocking on Heaven's Door," which he composed as part of his original score for the soundtrack of the 1973 Sam Peckinpah western Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid.

    It was used to tremendous effect to underscore what was perhaps that film's most haunting scene, when legendary Mexican film actress Katy Jurado, who plays the tough and no-nonsense wife of Sheriff Colin Baker (Slim Pickens), seeks to comfort her dying husband after he's been mortally wounded in a shootout.

    For those of you who've never seen Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, I highly recommend the director's preview cut of the film, as released by Turner Home Entertainment in 1988 and again in 2005, to realize the genius of Peckinpah's original vision. In my honest opinion, it's a masterpiece on par with his 1969 film The Wild Bunch.

    In sharp contrast, the film's 1973 theatrical release is a garbled mess, because MGM had fired Peckinpah from its post-production, in part because of its expense and studio executives' objections to Peckinpah's insistence that they use Bob Dylan's film score.

    No less than six studio editors then butchered the film, which not surprisingly got royally panned by critics. Sam Peckinpah unsuccessfully sought to have his name removed from the film's credits, as did a number of the original cast, who subsequently disavowed and disowned the studio's truncated version.

    Aloha.

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    Katy Jurado was discovered by a family friend, (none / 0) (#67)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:03:05 AM EST
    the actor and Director Emilio Fernandez.  We knew him through his architect, Manuel Parra, my mother's paramour when we lived in Mexico.  This house is what Parra built for el Indio.  In one of the exterior shots you may see a small cenotaph inserted into the masonry marking the presence of Parra's ashes under a nearby tree.

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    Peace, Love, and Compassion... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 10:39:13 PM EST
    ... don't fill the pews and the offerings baskets. Private jets aren't cheap.

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    A joke (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:33:21 PM EST
    A man died and went to heaven.

    "Welcome," said Saint Peter, "Let me show you around."

    As they went walking down the hall they passed an open door. Inside a man was yelling about the evils of the demon booze.

    "Who's that?" asked the new arrival.

    "Oh, that's just the Baptists," said Saint Peter.

    As they passed another room the man looked in an saw dozens of people pouring over birth certificates and other records.

    Before he could ask Saint Peter said, "Mormons..."

    At the next room people were setting quietly while a man dressed in robes of purple and gold was speaking in Latin.

    "Catholics!" the man said. "Correct," Saint Peter agreed.

    They walked on and as they did Saint Peter or the man identified each group. Then, as they neared another door, Saint Peter put his finger to his lips and said, "Please be quiet and say nothing."

    After they had passed the man looked at Saint Peter and said, "Who was that?"

    "Oh," Saint Peter said, "that was the Church of Christ. They think they are the only ones here and I don't want to hurt their feelings."

    To be fair, I included the Mormons and Catholics and note that CofC has softened its stand on the point although they remain adamant over baptism and marriage.

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    Here she goes again (none / 0) (#27)
    by Politalkix on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:07:39 PM EST
    link

    So (none / 0) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:28:11 PM EST
    what? Experience vs. rhetoric is an age old tactic used by many politicians when attacking a rival, especially in a primary against someone who is resonating with the base.

    BTW How's that hopey changey thing working out.

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    Read (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:34:16 PM EST
    the transcript. I saw the actual interview. If you think that's a dig at Bernie then you need thicker skin.

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    Another interpretation (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:30:00 PM EST
    and cautionary note not to take the media bait.   And, in any event it registered, to me, as civil.  

     Not like the Republicans, such as Rick (a stopped clock is right once a day) Perry's Trump is cancer.  Or, Jeb's childish and petulant response to Trump admonishing him to be a role model and not speak Spanish while in the country,-- I'll speak Spanish whenever I like.  No indication if Jeb! was stamping his foot at the time.

    You are such a buzzkill (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:35:14 PM EST
    wont let the h8ters have any fun at all

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    It is (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:39:21 PM EST
    just the media trying to cause a fight basically. And they complain about Hillary parsing? Good grief they are parsing and editorializing and everything. She "seemed" is what they say. Good grief.

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    The (none / 0) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:50:41 PM EST
    Clinton Rules are a true force of nature.

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    Watching the PBS round table talking about (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:36:48 PM EST
    Hillary and the interview.. Michael Gerson is nuts...still thinks the email server has something to do with state department secure communications servers. Ugh.

    The entire (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:09:23 AM EST
    GOP has gone down the rabbit hole. I remember Gerson worshiping George W. Bush. Frankly I thought no one listened to him anymore.

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    Contagion (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:36:55 PM EST
    for some reason I just got around to seeing the excellent 2011 Soderbergh movie.

    Amazing cast.  Intense film.

    An honest to god horror movie.

    Got around to seeing (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:54:45 PM EST
    "American Sniper."   Can't recall all the comments and criticisms, but it was presented as quite controversial.  Not to me.  I thought it was a very good movie.  If anything, anti-war, by my lights.  And, Bradley Cooper got robbed. He was great.

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    Were there ANY Iraqis in Sniper (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:18:53 AM EST
    who were portrayed as anything other than as potential killer insurgents or terrorists? I don't remember many..

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:12:09 AM EST
    But, that portrayal of Iraqis was, in my viewing, a part of the anti-war's implicit message.

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    I think that portrayal (none / 0) (#75)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:31:29 AM EST
    just feeds into the "all those people want to do is kill us" mentality..

    Eastwood could have given the audience one or two articulate, fully-human (like us) Iraqis to really flesh out all the implications of the invasion-occupation..

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    I thought Cooper did a great job too (none / 0) (#182)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:56:40 AM EST
    Like The Hurt Locker I thought it helped portray how war changes people, how the struggle to deal seems somewhat addictive and can become all consuming.  A wide range of perceptions become exposed when different people experience such films. To me it is more of a cautionary tale.

    One of Josh's friends who is graduating HS this year is being recruited hard for explosive ordnance disposal. My husband wants to get the kid alone to try to talk him out of it. The kid's initial plan was also college and ROTC. The recruiter has told him though that at this time college ROTC can actually reduce your chances of being accepted in the military.  That is a bald faced outright recruiter lie, and my husband is on the cusp of feeling like that gives him license to break into this conversation between son's friend and recruiter. But Josh is adamant that his dad stay out of this.

    They argued about it this weekend. Josh says his friend wants to do this so leave him alone. My husband says that in the current wars we are involved in everyone in that MOS is broken. Josh says someone has to do it though. Husband says yes, he just doesn't want it to be anyone he knows personally. What a conversation

    I bet Josh's friend finds The Hurt Locker somewhat romantic though :( So Young....too young!

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    Side Effects is a very underrated film (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:14:31 AM EST
    very Hitchcockian; with some great twists and turns, and up-to-the-minute topicality..

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    Thanks, I put (none / 0) (#191)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 03:45:02 PM EST
    Side Effects on my Netflix list.  Sounds like my type movie.

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    Here's another (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 03:48:36 PM EST
    Predestination

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    Boise State seriously underperformed tonight ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:04:34 AM EST
    ... against a young, inexperienced but still very feisty Washington Huskies team, squeaking out a 16-13 win at home.

    I'd hand the game ball to the Broncos' defense, who hung very tough in the second half after the Boise offense -- which thoroughly dominated UW in the first half -- apparently decided to take the rest of the night off.

    It was a tough loss for my Huskies, but their spirited effort gives them something to build on.

    Aloha.

    You've unleashed your inner (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:07:13 AM EST
    sportswriter. Very readable.

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    Single payer (none / 0) (#51)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:05:26 AM EST
    Thousands of cancer patients to be denied treatment

    That's hardly surprising, ... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:52:32 AM EST
    ... considering both the man who's presently Britain's prime minister and his ruling Conservative Party, whose members have never really cared for Britain's National Health Service and constantly seek to cut its funding.

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    Yup. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:47:28 PM EST
    The promise of every thing for everybody was never going to last.

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    Britain is a wealthy country. It can afford it. (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:57:44 PM EST
    The Conservatives refuse to fund it. That's what's happening here. Don't you even bother to read your own links?

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    This should destroy their (none / 0) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:10:54 PM EST
    Grip on power. What a soulless way to shoot yourself in the face.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#165)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:27:55 PM EST
    They appear to have doubled the spending budget from 2013 to 2014

    However, rising demand and prices have pushed up its budget from £200m in 2013 to £410m this year. Despite increased resources and previous cuts to the number of drugs available, NHS England said the fund would overspend by £70m this year without additional cost controls

    http://tinyurl.com/nfoqdsg

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    This may surprise you (none / 0) (#199)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 11:01:41 AM EST
    But resources are not unlimited. If resources were unlimited then everything could be funded all of the time.  That's the problem that socialism has with reality.

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    Irony (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:11:28 PM EST
    of ironies. It's the conservatives who actually have instated "death panels".

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    Interview with Hillary Clinton (none / 0) (#54)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:01:19 AM EST
    by Andrea Mitchell.

    You have to see it to believe it. LINK

    In sum: (not verbatim - but you get the idea)

    Mitchell: How about those emails?
    Clinton: It was all legal. I'll be testifying and will answer every question.
    Mitchell: Will you apologize to the American people?
    Clinton: It was all legal. I'll be testifying and will answer every question.
    Mitchell: Are you sorry for what you did?
    Clinton: It was all legal. I'll be testifying and will answer every question.
    Mitchell: How about that server?
    It was all legal. I'll be testifying and will answer every question.

    This goes on - and on - and on - for half of the half hour interview.

    How Clinton resisted jumping up from her chair and grabbing Mitchell by that throat of hers I'll never know.

    Completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:01:08 AM EST
    i kept having fun with imaginary thought balloons over Hillary's head showing what was going on in her head behind that tight controlled little smile.

    And I only saw about the first 10 minutes.  I like my TV. to much to endanger it by staying longer.  

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    Bottom feeder (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:53:00 AM EST
    is the correct name for Mitchell.

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    Because (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:07:51 AM EST
    of the Clinton Rules, the email issue has become a journalistic black hole, no real information can escape. Hillary is being contrite and deflective right now, she knows any detailed answers will be sucked into the singularity.

    She is patiently keeping her powder dry for the main event. She will be testifying and she will answer every question. Poor Mr. Gowdy, going lioness hunting with a fishing pole.

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    HRC's experience shows (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 09:36:37 AM EST
    She has the know-how, discipline to resist the buzzing bait.  Having that political strength is a good quality in a leader...especially in diplomatic challenges that all presidents confront sooner or later.

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    And, Ms. Mitchell's (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 10:55:41 AM EST
    summary for Rachael Maddow was that she, Andrea Mitchell, as an aggressive, effective interviewer,  unearthed new news---the sorting of emails, personal and work-related was done by Mrs. Clinton's lawyers.

    And, of course, Ms. Mitchell was dogged in trying to obtain an apology, and to gain her sorrow for what she did.  But, what was it that she did that she needs to be sorry about to the American people?   Mrs.Clinton could have said that she is sorry for having given rise to this tempest in a teapot, and for giving Ms. Mitchell a proxy role for members of the Republican conga line.  (p.s. Christi, welcome home, hope you had a good vacation.)

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    Well, (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:31:41 AM EST
    what I learned from the interview is that Andrea Mitchell is a dope.

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    A dope married to a fraud who helped (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:34:12 AM EST
    trash the economy.

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    Contrition (none / 0) (#95)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:05:00 PM EST
    The use of the term "contrition" or "contrite" regarding the swirling going-nowhere email thingy seems to be a favored word by press-types these days.  Last night's PBS News Hour had Mark Shield's referencing his take that HRC displayed a bit of "contrite" demeanor in her interview with A. Mitchell ... and, if my recall is any good, several weeks ago a few Sunday morning panel participants seemed to lament about the need for contrition.

    Perhaps, the collective DC/NY punditry is moving to their next level in this whole non-scandal.  Having spun old threads too long and coming up short--albeit reminding anyone still listening that HRC surely must continue to have a "trust" problem--it may be time to move to the next stage.  What is it that the press seeks now?  I'd say: Subject must be contrite or confess to something or do something to show that the press has enlightened the world.  From my slanted view, it sure looks like the press demands something--anything--that they can turn into a secular mea culpa with penance. In that way, the press can be in charge of rehabilitation ... if need be.

    The cycle: Find a wrong or manufacture it, pound away to make the point that subject is profoundly in error, see if the theatre goes anywhere, and--if the story ultimately falls, look for a pundit's escape (aka "we have contrition, ladies & gents.)  I'm guessing that the rehab aspect comes in full force if and when the subject prospers in spite of the push to see subject really falter.  

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    A fantastic, all-encompassing trip (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:27:34 PM EST
    Thank you for the welcome, KeysDan.  I'm re-adjusting to local time & food.  

    Myself is processing our journey still ... one thing I can say is that I renewed my love of Mediterranean food (esp relished the dolmades in the Greek islands.)  'Can't beat full olives, olive oil.  Overwhelmed by Ephesus and what it teaches; yet, so saddened by the migrations of despair increasing throughout the area. That little boy found dead on the Turkish beach nearby during the personal migration of his family is a piercing punctuation about the fragility of life. At the same time, the endurance evidenced in Mediterranean history holds promise of a prevailing spirit.


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    Donald beats Hillary (none / 0) (#79)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:49:37 AM EST
    in this USA poll.

    First time I have seen this.  As the article says:

    "Trump has seen his campaign's popularity surge through the summer while Clinton's has struggled with voter concerns over her transparency and trustworthiness as secretary of State."

    You can disagree with the analysis but the bottom line is Hillary's poll numbers are going in the wrong direction and Donald's poll numbers are going in the right direction.

    The question is can Hillary do anything to turn the tide.  Hillary fan boys seem to think Hillary's PR is just fine despite her tanking numbers, but more and more voters seem to think just the opposite.

    You're right and you're wrong (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:15:30 PM EST
    You're right - We think Clinton's PR is just fine.
    You're wrong - Her numbers aren't tanking.

    Current RCP Average against Trump is Clinton +6 and out of 13 polls of Trump vs Clinton, Clinton won 12 times.

    But congratulations on your cherry picking. Keep up the good work.

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    Not really cherry picking (none / 0) (#84)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:25:36 PM EST
    just pointing out the first poll I have seen with Donald beating Hillary.  That is what is news.

    Also pointing out Hillary's numbers are going in the wrong direction and Donald's numbers are going in the right direction.

    USA Today is not the only media outlet who has noted the trend of Donald rising and Hillary falling.  At some point Donald will beat Hillary unless the trend stops.

    Like I asked in my OP what makes Hillary fan boys think she is doing fine given the drop in her poll numbers.  At what point do the fan boys accept the fact that for what ever reason, and lots of talking heads blame Hillary's press conferences, Hillary is tanking in the polls.

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    Hillary will win 48 states (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:31:40 PM EST
    in the Dem nomination process and will probably have it wrapped up before the end of March.

    Nothing I would enjoy more than Clinton vs Trump in the General Election.

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    Only 48??? (none / 0) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:36:14 PM EST
    You mean two will be allowed to disagree??

    Wow.

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    No, Jim, CG does not "mean" that, (5.00 / 4) (#98)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:18:21 PM EST
    which is why s/he didn't say it. All 50 are "allowed" to disagree, but only one or two, in a free and fair primary process, are at all likely to disagree, is what CG said. But you knew that.

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    Peter, sarcasm is allowed (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:25:54 PM EST


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    Unfortunately so many commenters here (none / 0) (#146)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:23:23 PM EST
    in so many of their comments (not mentioning any names or pointing any fingers) seem to misrepresent what the person said with whom they claim to be disagreeing, or in whose comment they claim to be identifying a logical or factual flaw, that it can be hard to tell, I guess, when a commenter is being sarcastic. If in this instance it was my obtuseness, I apologize for being humor-impaired this time.

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    No apology needed (none / 0) (#171)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:11:36 PM EST
    Sarcasm is a delicate thing. I should have been clearer in my comment that meant that Hillary was supposed to win all 50 and no votes needed.

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    Hey, "Molly Bloom," whose comments (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:28:24 AM EST
    I generally think highly of (and whose moniker I love, as a Joyce fan), hated my comment. (Although some others whom I also greatly respect, felt otherwise.) So apparently I fell short in some significant way.

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    I did? (none / 0) (#183)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 12:23:28 PM EST
    I have no independent recollection of hating anything that much and I certainly was ok with your pointing my inability to spell Ralph's last name correctly, If I did say something rude I apologize.

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    Molly Bloom, (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 01:37:10 PM EST
    I think Peter G's comment was related to your rating.

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    On my comment #98 (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 01:39:12 PM EST
    it says you (Molly) gave me what is commonly considered a "troll-level rating" of 1. Which frankly I cannot fathom. If it was a finger slip, I feel much better. If not, I'd like to understand what you meant. I don't recall what you are referring to about "Ralph."

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    Color me embarrassed then (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 02:13:09 PM EST
    I certainly didn't intend to troll rate you for that!

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    Maybe 2. Maybe 1 (none / 0) (#91)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:45:00 PM EST


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    Rotten Cherries (none / 0) (#100)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:28:03 PM EST
    if you ask me, the USA poll gives Trump around 25% AA and 30% Hispanic against all dDemocrats, I am not buying that.

    You ask:  

    what makes Hillary fan boys think she is doing fine given the drop in her poll numbers.......that for what ever reason....lots of talking heads blame Hillary's press conferences,

    We see the drop, but unlike you we are not clueless about the reasons. Substitute Emails for press conferences in that quote and you would be close real close.

    We have had weeks of a long line of Republicans, including the leading contender, accusing her of high crimes. We have had endless headlines and punditry about the "questions" raised , without actually posing the questions, much less answering them.

    No doubt Hillary has taken some political hits over the last few month's and her poll numbers reflect that, there happen to be a lot of people who think she is strong enough to take the hits.

    I predict her numbers will stabilize until they begin to rise again shortly after she sends Trey home without his pants.


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    Dropping steady since March (none / 0) (#87)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:36:07 PM EST
    A poll released by Gallup on Friday shows Hillary Clinton's favorability rating near an all-time low.

    Only 41 percent of respondents said they have a favorable view of the Democratic presidential front-runner, compared to 51 percent who view her unfavorably.

    Clinton's numbers were only lower in 1992, when only 38 percent of the public viewed the former first lady favorably. But Gallup said that number was more a product of unfamiliarity than disapproval.
    http://tinyurl.com/o9vsfu8


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    And Trump is at 38 (none / 0) (#93)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:00:14 PM EST
    In case you haven't noticed, (last time I looked) none of the 21+ people running for President have a favorable rating over 50% among the general population.

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    Hopefully Hillary's (none / 0) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:03:52 PM EST
    Wednesday speech will answer all or most of the email problems for her.  Then the e-ghazi hearings will clear up the rest of the witch hunt.  The slow trickling of her emails until January will not be good, just before the primary's.   To me, polls are like hurricane predictions, but both are necessary evils, and not always true.

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    Eventually, the FBI study (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:41:58 PM EST
    of the whole classification matter that is underway will be completed.  Given the nature of the investigation--which has been repeatedly stated not to involve HRC in any official way--we should expect to see a lot of the fluff & fandango babble cleared up sooner rather than later.

    I believe that it is not to risky to state that the evaluation will show that "there is no there there."  Anyone paying attention to the whole email mantra really knows that.  In the meantime, the press will keep up the breathless insinuations and the theoretical audience will express some concern ... before everyone falls asleep.

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    christine (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 08:25:00 AM EST
    i did not know you were away.  Welcome back.  While you were gone I addressed a comment to you and others in Colorado asking for good inexpensive places to live there.

    I am considering relocating there when my full retirement comes through in a year.  I would have emailed you offline but you don't have an address listed.  

    Any information or opinions you may have about location location location would be appreciated.   Not really interested in urban.  Mostly interested in cheap.  No frills is fine.   I need a house with a yard,   Neighbors are not required.

    Thanks in advance.


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    Hi Howdy ... Thinking about Colorado? (none / 0) (#196)
    by christinep on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 04:37:11 PM EST
    I'll put the summary first: Colorado is a beautiful state in many ways.  Mountains, lakes, climate, urban & rural....

    If you had stated a preference for urban, there are varied Denver locations ... tho, in looking at what a dollar gets, Denver locations are definitely pricing higher in recent years and today.  In Denver itself--should you reconsider about quiet urban--northwest Denver (old Westminster) or far east Denver (past Quebec) might provide value, access, nice yards or Mayfair for a little bit more.

    Looking at Denver suburbs, it would be wise to avoid all points south since the developments are on top of each other and the corridor is crowded. The older neighborhoods west of Denver were comfortable, some large yards, etc. ... but, prices are going markedly upward.  Again, if looking in suburbs, I'd look northwest.  IMO, avoid at all costs (because there are too many costs) anything moving toward Boulder.

    Nearby foothills: Evergreen and similarly situated areas have extremely expensive homes together with too much traffic these days.  (Mostly, I'd stay away from the lower elevation front range foothill places ...$$$$, traffic, congestion. (For some: Idaho Springs area could be interesting ... but, it has the atmosphere of a box canyon.)

    So, here goes:  My nominees would be SALIDA or  MONTROSE (and related west slope Grand Junction area)in south central and west, respectively. Based on a variety of comments, I'm guessing that SALIDA--with the Arkansas River running through it and swimming, tubing, great fishing and with a spirited town that is more & more captivating in its attitude, food, arts, books, surprisingly comfortable energy, good climate, etc. etc. it grows on you in a good way.  SALIDA is a few hours from Colorado Springs and the accoutrements of a larger city (plus, going south, it is not far from Taos and other towns in southern Colorado and northern New Mexico.)  Likewise, MONTROSE has a laid-back feel in outdoor country ... with the necessary infrastructure that you might want right there (college outlets, good medical services, nice restaurants, great terrain, still fairly inexpensive, short distance to the larger Grand Junction.)

    To the extent that cost/price is an issue, my strong advice is to pass on the very nice but very expensive areas of Telluride in the Southwest and the ski-mecca of Steamboat Springs in the Northwest. In fact, towns & locations with a ski lift usually translate to high housing costs (and where there are some subsidized housing units available, the ski groupies tend to find them early on.)

    I've deliberately ignored some places in the state where bargain houses could be gotten ... namely, the eastern portion of the state, a portion with high plains topography (trans: dry, windy, very little foliage and less water.) I'm guessing that you might prefer a different topographic dynamic. Nonetheless, if cost is the driving factor, places like Sterling and Limon do have a few trees on some properties (a northern breed dog would have to find a hose for water comfort.)

    Finally: FWIW, I always planned to retire in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.  Even tho we remain (and will remain) in Denver, we drive the @3 hours each spring to take the gorgeous drive through Glenwood Canyon and spend a few days walking, eating, swimming (one of the largest & best outdoor, naturally heated year-round springs pool in the US.) I check out the houses as I walk my dog there ... lots of different kinds of nice with greenery and yards, but more expensive every  year.  But, I hear Carbondale nearby is still a jewel of a find in the way of costs.

    Bona Fortuna, Howdy.  Whatever you do in a Colorado search, I'm thinking it will be a gainer for you.   Christinep

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    Thank you! (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 04:52:05 PM EST


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    I am (none / 0) (#107)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:50:03 PM EST
    not sure she is going to really answer any email "questions" until she sits across from Gowdy. At this point it would not make sense to show any  of her cards.

    I have been told that an attorney should never ask a question that they don't already know the answer to.  Gowdy is going fishing on some mighty thin ice as it is, no need to make his job any easier.

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    Correct (none / 0) (#134)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:37:42 PM EST
    Which is why Gowdy is interviewing all of her staff, and Sidney, beforehand.

    And there are new questions, and will likely be more after the next months e mail drop.

    I believe the investigation that holds the most peril is the one conducted by the FBI.

    Are there classified documents on the server, not secured according to regulation. Was the server hacked by outside sources.
    Was the server wiped clean?
    If so, are the e mails retrievable? If so, were any of them related to State Dept business, and "inadvertently " erased.
    Gowdy investigation has no real authority, other than the subpoena. It is the FBI investigation that will either exonerate Hillary, or further weaken her poll numbers, at a minimum.
    But the fact that she consciously set up a private server to run State Department business has been a sign of very poor judgement.

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    Hillary's staff member (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 12:40:40 PM EST
    has taken the 5th.

    It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out he is scared to testify because he knows that his testimony will damage Hillary and he will be in deep doo doo.

    When Congress gives him immunity and he is locked up  he will see things differently.

    As a friend of mine said after he refused to testify after receiving immunity..."When you're inside looking out things become clearer."

    If you have such a low opinion (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:09:45 PM EST
    of consensus, why do keep invoking it to excuse the Iraq invasion and the hunt for Saddam's wmds?

    Btw, the problem with you and Pamela's obsession with CAIR is that the left can still win even if CAIR loses, but you and Pamela can't win if the gay-bashing holy rollers lose; they're such an integral part of your far-right coalition..

    Must be an upsetting dilemma for a social liberal..

    Lol

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    FYI (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:47:39 PM EST
    Jondee, consensus is how we govern ourselves in a democracy. We elect people.

    But that has nothing to do with science. Science is supposed to be about facts and proof not politics and opinion.

    And my problem with the Muslim flight attendant refusal to serve alcoholic drinks , and her suit, has nothing to do with Pamela.  I was just pointing out that there is no difference between the position of the flight attendant and the KY clerk. Both are using religion as their reason to act in a specific manner.

    CAIR's intervention just proves that despite CAIR's claims it favors Sharia Law being implemented in the US. While that is no surprise to most observers it seems to be a surprise to you. Or perhaps you don't care.

    As for your wildly stated:

    but you and Pamela can't win if the gay-bashing holy rollers lose; they're such an integral part of your far-right coalition..

    You again try to say that I say and do things that you have no proof of. But that is just you being you.

    As for gay bashing it would be honest of you to note that while some Christians oppose gay actions, gay Muslims are hung and/or stoned.

    I trust you can see the difference

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    You've never explained how (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:05:27 PM EST
    You came to know more about the scientific method than the National Academy of Sciences and Nobel Prize winners; besides the fact that you're not as susceptible to peer pressure as they are..;-)

    And yes, sorry to say, the fact obvious to everyone but you is that if Kristen Davis loses, you, Pamela and the rest of the far-right loses..that's the hole you've dug for yourselves and the rest of the country.

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    jondee, you just make things up (2.00 / 1) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:44:23 PM EST
    Everyone here knows I have posted comments supporting gay rights including marriage, including
    comment #179

    So all this nonsense about loosing and me is just that, nonsense.

    Now, the requirements for a theory to meet and be a Scientific Theory is defined. No one has to agree or  disagree. It either meets them or it does not.

    Science is like that.

    And the MMGW hoax doesn't.

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    I'm more troubled by this (none / 0) (#177)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:24:05 AM EST
    social liberal hoax..

    It doesn't meet the requirements of feigned sincerity as defined by the national academy of internet trolls..

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    I understand that you are a troubled person (2.00 / 1) (#185)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 01:23:42 PM EST
    What you will not admit that support for gay and minority rights, women's right to choose, fixing our crazy drug laws, a single payer health care system, LWOP...all stated by me numerous times, are classic liberal positions.

    But since I do not agree with you on national defense, support for Israel, a high degree of suspicion of Muslim organizations, such as CAIR and immigration then I must be evileeeee.

    Worse, rather than debating the issues you just make spurious charges that you know are not true. There is a word for that.

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    The word is eeeevil.. (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 02:53:57 PM EST
    you forget, I've read your blog, which reads like a garbled rendition of every right wing talk radio program from the past eerk..

    So yes, based on accrued evidence, the fact that you're a social liberal hoaxer is a more than reasonable assumption for any intelligent person to make.

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    And by the way (none / 0) (#190)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 03:20:35 PM EST
    mentors Beck, Rush, and the good folks at Heritage aren't eeevil, they're just everyday slime..

    But be of good cheer: as "piss christ" reminded us, spiritual love can reach even into the slime..

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    can you post a name or link (none / 0) (#198)
    by ding7777 on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 10:11:33 AM EST
    to jimakaPPJ's blog?

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    Just to an image search (none / 0) (#200)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 11:04:39 AM EST
    When a picture comes up of white folks in coonskin caps holding AR-15s in front of a makeshift stockade flying a Don't Tread On Me flag, you'll be getting very warm..

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    I don't want to use too broad a brush (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:57:06 PM EST
    ...gay Muslims are hung and/or stoned by some fundamentalist Muslim authorities.

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    Uganda, (none / 0) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:11:05 PM EST
     a mostly Christian nation, was inches away from making homosexuality a capital crime until they reluctantly reduced it to life in prison, only after intense international political and economic pressure.

    Hate is hate no matter what the name of God is.

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    The last time I checked (none / 0) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:30:48 PM EST
    we live in the US.

    And I further note that the intense pressure was supported by Christians.

    So if you want to say that Christians are self policing then I want to know when the moderate Muslims will be sending troops to attack ISIS and Hamas and Hezabolah and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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    Yes pressure was in fact (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:35:13 PM EST
    from American Christians

    Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda's Anti-Gay Crackdown
    Scott Lively has stirred up hate from Moscow to Kampala. Watch him in action.

    What other pearls of wisdom do you have to cast before the swine oh wise one?

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    Btw (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:37:45 PM EST
    and you will love this

    My niece, a zealot, worked in this project.  She only recently returned from that part of the world.   Her FB. page is a riot of hate and "religion"

    What else would you like to know

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    These are splinter groups that have no (2.00 / 1) (#139)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:52:51 PM EST
    political power.

    But thanks for giving them some.

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    Typically clueless and idiotic statement (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:56:11 PM EST
    they have plenty of power.  If you had bothered to look at that or any of the thousands of well researched press on this you would know that.

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    Oh, really?? (2.00 / 1) (#141)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:02:36 PM EST
    They have so much power they lost the Gay marriage fight and couldn't even make Uganda do as they wanted.

    The world is changing, Capt. Accept the improvements and start looking for new friends instead of trying to make new enemies.

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    And yes they were (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:07:36 PM EST
    barely beaten back this time.  No thanks to apologists like yourself.  But trust me, they are not done.  They are not tired and they are not broke.   My niece and a "missionary group" from her church are returning next year.

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    Reading can be your friend (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:05:37 PM EST
    Lively is not the only US evangelical who has fanned the flames of anti-gay sentiment in Uganda. As they lose ground at home, where public opinion and law are rapidly shifting in favor of gay equality, religious conservatives have increasingly turned their attention to Africa. And Uganda, with its large Christian population, has been particularly fertile ground for their crusade. Journalist (and past Mother Jones contributor) Jeff Sharlet has reported at length on the Family, a politically connected US-based ministry, which promotes hard-line social policies in the East African nation.

    Clearly it is not your friend but it could be

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    Oh, really???? (none / 0) (#175)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:17:36 AM EST
    moreover, those "splinter groups" have an artificially extended life span because they constitute an integral faction in the U.S far-right coalition..

    Which also means that a faction which should've dried up and blown away back to the Middle Ages will continue to have red meat thrown to it by the Huckabees, Perrys, Santorums, and Fox.

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    You're not using too broad a brush, Jim. (none / 0) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 07:02:13 PM EST
    That's a roller in your hand.

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    A roller.. (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:19:50 AM EST
    but that ain't paint that he's spreading..

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    A person who takes the Fifth because (none / 0) (#102)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:33:17 PM EST
    he is scared, or because his testimony will damage someone other than himself, will not receive immunity, because neither of those is a valid ground upon which to claim the protection of the Constitutional privilege. The only ground for taking the Fifth is a well-founded concern about potential self-incrimination (that is, the possibility of your truthful answers being used, rightly or wrongly, to pursue a criminal charge against you). An assertion of privilege on either of the grounds that you mention, Jim, should result in the claim being overruled and the witness being ordered to answer without immunity.

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    Peter (none / 0) (#105)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:43:46 PM EST
    Any guess what happens next with Kim Davis? It appears to me the former dean of Liberty University's Law School is giving her terrible advice. Unless of course they are both profiteering off of this.

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    Chris Hayes (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 03:21:52 PM EST
    interviewed the lawyer last night.  I think it's up a C&L.  Worth a look.  He asked him about how their fundraising was going and told him some believe they are using and manipulating Davis to make money.   He was not pleased.  

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    Hayes (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 03:48:54 PM EST
    Kim Davis' Attorney Refuses To Answer Question About Fundraising

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    Huckabee's saying Kim is considered (none / 0) (#193)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 03:59:28 PM EST
    worse than Albert DeSalvo and Jeffrey Dahmer.

    I don't see the problem.

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    What next for Kim Davis? (none / 0) (#144)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:13:25 PM EST
    The judge was required to state to her quite specifically what she need to do to purge her contempt. I have to assume that he did. I haven't see in the news coverage (not that I've looked that hard) to see exactly what that might be. It's a little confusing now, since licenses are being issued out of her office. I also do not understand why Judge Bunning did not resolve the question of the validity of those licenses under the KY state law that apparently requires they bear the County Clerk's signature. The federal court clearly has full power to enter whatever order is necessary to ensure that the couples receiving these licenses are not being put in an uncertain position vis a vis having their equal rights protected. I read this morning that the licenses the deputies issued yesterday were unsigned. IMHO, the judge should have either ordered the deputies to sign Davis's name, or authorized/offered to let her sign her name, "by order of the U.S. District Court & in my official capacity only & under protest" or something of the sort. Now I'm not honestly sure what is holding her in jail; that is, what she needs to say or do or agree to, to get out.

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    Very odd (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:32:27 PM EST
    i had heard the county attorney had said they were legal so I googled.  He did in fact say that but in the next sentence it says the judge was asked about the legality and, as you say, said it was up to the couples to take that chance.

    That does seem very odd.  Still.  I can't imagine a world, considering how this has gone so far, where they are not legal.  Can you? Really?

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    No, I cannot imagine the deputy clerks could (5.00 / 3) (#164)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:26:23 PM EST
    issue sham licenses (invalid because unsigned, or in any other way) and not face The Wrath of Khan from this judge. After all, the Supreme Court of the United States says these couples have an equal right to marry under the law of any state where they happen to live. If the state wants to require a license for couples to marry, then it has to issue licenses to same-sex couples. Real licenses, valid licenses, licenses that entitle them to marry. Real marry. Equal marry. This is not a joke or a game.

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    I'm not entirely convinced she (none / 0) (#150)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:50:52 PM EST
    is in that much of a hurry to get out of jail; I just have this sense that she's rather enjoying being compared to Lincoln and MLK.  Not to mention, being the subject of speeches by presidential contenders.  I wonder if she realizes she's become a fundraising tool...

    I don't understand why she doesn't understand that when her signature goes on whatever licenses or permits or official county documents are being issued from the clerk's office, it is not the signature of Kim Davis, private citizen; she signs on behalf of the county, not herself.  She is not issuing licenses, the county is.

    Maybe Apostolic Christians don't believe in humility, either.

    Now I see there's a judge in Georgia who stopped performing marriages, and has made it clear he's not officiating at any gay ceremonies - some other judge will have to do that.

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#108)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:54:14 PM EST
    But I still think that is his motivation. That his truthful answers will harm Hillary and perhaps others including himself.

    I trust that he has good legal representation who will advise him properly.

    But I do have a question.

    How does the prosecution/committee know what his reason is unless they grant him immunity and force him to testify?

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    A witness's reasons are essentially immaterial (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:46:13 PM EST
    The witness can claim the Fifth Amend privilege if s/he has an objectively reasonable basis for believing s/he personally faces a "real and substantial" risk of self-incrimination. If s/he doesn't, s/he can't. All the rest is politics or journalism, not law.

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    You can (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:18:14 PM EST
    shop that conspiracy theory all you want but it wouldn't be true. You can believe fairies and rainbows are you going to shoot out of your head any day now and that wouldn't be true either.

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    Sorry GA but I (2.00 / 1) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 04:48:09 PM EST
    didn't say anything about a conspiracy.

    Just speculation as to why he would plead the 5th.

    Now, if you want to say that Hillary has paid him to not testify and go to jail, be my guest.

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    You (none / 0) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 05:24:45 PM EST
    are positing a conspiracy theory despite what Peter has explained to you TWICE about pleading the 5th. You cannot plead the 5th to protect someone else only yourself. And yet you're positing another conspiracy theory about him being paid. Sheesh.

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    So (none / 0) (#153)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:33:01 PM EST
    Bryan Pagliano fears he may have criminal culpability in his involvement in setting up a server to receive State Department information. Plus he also maintained the server.

    This whole scenario was set up by the Sec of State, so yes, it is getting dicey.

     She paid Pagliano an initial sum of $5,000 to set up the server. Pagliano dutifully reported the sum on his financial disclosure form in 2008.

    But campaign officials now tell the WaPo that Clinton continued to pay Pagliano to maintain the server until Hillary left the State Department in 2013. The paper could find no record of Pagliano reporting any income from Clinton on his disclosure forms during the intervening years, and the State Department says they had "found no evidence" of Pagliano earning outside income.

    Filing a false financial disclosure form is a felony -- reason enough for Pagliano to plead the 5th.

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    Have you ever (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 06:36:38 PM EST
    heard of perjury traps? Really his lawyer wrote a letter as to why he is doing this. You should read it instead of positing conspiracy theories.

    I guess now it's him since all your other conspiracy theories have fallen by the wayside.

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    Again a misunderstanding of what it takes (none / 0) (#160)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:07:42 PM EST
    to plead the Fifth, as I have been trying to make clear over and over. It is NOT necessary that the witness "fear he may have criminal culpability." What is required is that the witness have reason to believe that his/her truthful answers to questions could be used by a zealous prosecutor in building a base against the witness -- whether the person is guilty or innocent, and whether or not s/he believes s/he has committed any crime.

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    Well (none / 0) (#163)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:21:14 PM EST
    It appears that a overzealous prosecutor already has enough if they want to charge him with anything, so he may have had a very good reason to plead the 5th.

     She paid Pagliano an initial sum of $5,000 to set up the server. Pagliano dutifully reported the sum on his financial disclosure form in 2008.

    But campaign officials now tell the WaPo that Clinton continued to pay Pagliano to maintain the server until Hillary left the State Department in 2013. The paper could find no record of Pagliano reporting any income from Clinton on his disclosure forms during the intervening years, and the State Department says they had "found no evidence" of Pagliano earning outside income.

    Filing a false financial disclosure form is a felony -- reason enough for Pagliano to plead the 5th.

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    "Zealous" is the test, I believe, (none / 0) (#180)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:35:46 AM EST
    as I said, not "overzealous."

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    I was (none / 0) (#184)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 01:04:57 PM EST
    Well aware,

    Just having fun,

    Being that it appears that Pagliano could be charged with a felony, without his testimony.

    Now he also claimed 5th amendment privilege when asked to speak with the FBI, if the Justice Dept prosecutor really needs/wants his testimony on how he set up the server, the security precautions he installed, and whatever national security questions they may have, they do have that leverage over him.

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    I don't know if I'm thinking about this (none / 0) (#169)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 08:43:38 PM EST
    correctly, but what popped into my head is the portion of the Miranda warning one is required to be given when taken into police custody:

    Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

    Whether or not Pagliano did or didn't do anything illegal, if he is afraid that something he says under oath may be used against him, he can invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

    Would that be a fair interpretation?

    The other thing that has been bothering me is Chairman Gowdy telling the media it's perfectly fair for people to infer what they like from Pagliano's decision.  This does not sound like something a person would say who has respect for our constitutional rights, or an understanding of them - it sounds more like someone on the hunt, looking to bag some big game.  And frankly, makes Pagliano's decision seem like a good one.

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    Well, according to the courts (none / 0) (#170)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 09:00:25 PM EST
    it is improper to draw an adverse inference in a criminal case from a person taking the Fifth, but it is permissible to draw an adverse inference in a civil or administrative proceeding (although an insufficient basis to rule against a person in the civil matter). Not sure about drawing an adverse inference in a congressional hearing.

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    GA, he doesn't have to say (none / 0) (#172)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:16:09 PM EST
    what the specific reasons he is pleading the 5th are.

    He just pleads.

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    In a court proceeding, if the witness's basis (none / 0) (#179)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 06, 2015 at 11:32:28 AM EST
    for invoking the Fifth Amendment privilege is not apparent to the judge, the judge has discretion to seek an explanation (from a lawyer for the witness, normally). Again, I don't know if it works the same way in a Congressional committee hearing.

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    The Republicans can (none / 0) (#173)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 11:51:12 PM EST
    just immunize him if they are really interested in his testimony.

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    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#103)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 01:33:41 PM EST


    No repeated numbers on jerseys on my son's (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 05, 2015 at 02:09:38 PM EST
    HS football team this year. No white kid 1 and a black kid 1. Parents around here have been putting their foot down about Southern jerks being involved in educating their children though. The band director was fired, for being abusive. Don't know how we got more jerseys, just glad it happened!

    No whole football team praying on the field when a player is down on the field either, and no explanation why that simply has stopped happening as well. Once again, just glad it's happening.

    jondee, you forgot to attack my (none / 0) (#201)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 11:55:28 AM EST
    opposition to the MMGW hoax.

    But I confess I have lampooned Obama numerous times and poked fun at the Left from time to time.

    Sorry if that hurts your feelings. I'll try and be as nice as these folks.

    Well, as I say (none / 0) (#202)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 12:01:54 PM EST
    I've caught up of late trying to disentagle this bizarre social liberal hoax that's been making the rounds..

    lol

    jondee, so you admit that you (none / 0) (#203)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 01:01:41 PM EST
    can disprove anything beyond the fact that I, a Social Liberal, does not or support some of the Far Left's so-called Progressive agenda.

    And that I have a very high dislike of your demi-God, Obama.

    Speaking of demigods.. (none / 0) (#204)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 04:04:59 PM EST
    You would know this..

    Has Scott Walker's mother ever talked about how she finally escaped from Ted Bundy,and whether it was a difficult decision deciding to keep the baby?

    Lol (none / 0) (#205)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 07, 2015 at 06:23:08 PM EST
    jondee I would rate that a 5er but it would disappear up the chain and out of context.

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