Election Day: Open Thread One

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 11:30:18 AM EST
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Hillary closed her campaign in North Carolina "with a bang and a prayer" as Bon Jovi and Lady Gaga stumped for her.

Bon Jovi and Lady Gaga did a duet of Bon Jovi's classic song.

Bruce Springsteen in Philly: [More...]

Bill Clinton: Don't give it away. Claim it. (at the end)

Beyonce in Cleveland on Nov. 4, in a pantsuit.

And now it's up to us to sit back and watch our candidate win, hopefully in a landslide.

This is an open thread for election day happenings and thoughts.

Predictions anyone? I think Hillary will get 323 electoral votes and Trump will lose in a landslide. The Latino vote will be a big factor when she wins Nevada and Florida. The LA Times predicts Hillary will get 352 electoral votes.

When we will know: I think the race will be called by 8:00 at the latest. The NY Times has poll closures by state:

6:00 pm ET some of Indiana and Kentucky
7:00 Most of Florida, Georgia, the rest of Indiana, the western half of Kentucky, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Vermont,
7:30 North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia
8:00 Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, the western panhandle of Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, most of Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, most of North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, the eastern half of South Dakota, Tennessee, most of Texas

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Livestream of Susan B. Anthony's Grave, (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 11:36:39 AM EST

and the stream of Women Voters plastering her gravestone with I-Voted stickers. Rochester, New York.

By comparison, Gaga, Springsteen, all of those people have done nothing.

Tears is right.

they have done more for Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:09:13 PM EST

to convince younger voters than any of us have.

Susan B Anthony resulted in women having the right to vote (not run for President) in 1920. Probably no woman alive remembers a time when they couldn't vote. The right to vote for women has been a given for a 96 years.

Hillary's running for office and needs people of both sexes to vote for her. These stars have made a big impact. Hillary's campaign rally numbers would not have been as big the past few weeks without them. When they say you have to vote, you can't stay home, this is not the year for a protest vote, the crowds listen. They making voting not only the cool thing to do, but the moral thing to do.

This is 2016 and it's great we will have our first woman President. But I've never supported Hillary because she's a woman. I've supported Hillary using the standards I use for any other candidate -- her experience, her ability to get things done, her caring, her intelligence, her character, her willingness to listen and learn, her hard work ethic and her instincts, which lead her to correct decisions. I will feel safe with Hillary as President, just as I did with Obama. I won't agree with her on every issue, but I wouldn't agree with any candidate on every issue.

Hillary will win because she deserves to win, and because her opponent was unacceptable, not because she's a woman. That she will be the first woman president is a terrific achievement for her, but it's all her own doing, it has nothing to do with 1920 that I can see.

: We would have loved to be in Philly last night! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:46:20 PM EST

: Thank you, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#32)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 03:54:25 PM EST

Artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Jay Z, Beyoncé, Bon Jovi and Lady Gaga are incurring considerable professional and personal risk by stepping outside their wheelhouses in the entertainment world to campaign for Hillary Clinton and support Democratic candidates.
I would urge those who may think otherwise to watch Barbara Kopple's and Cecilia Peck's critically acclaimed 2006 documentary "Dixie Chicks: Shut Up and Sing," which chronicles the subsequent trials and tribulations endured by that country-pop trio, after lead singer Natalie Maines publicly voiced her disapproval of President George W. Bush during a 2003 concert in London. Republican operatives and other wingbats then went out of their way to make an example of them, by trying to undermine their careers through intimidation and worse.
Beyoncé and Jay Z in particular have recently been subjected to considerable personal abuse by the Trump campaign for their joint appearance with Mrs. Clinton the other night in Cleveland, and their lives have even been threatened by some of Trump's more unhinged followers.
Aloha.

By comparison? (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by Yman on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:13:00 PM EST

By comparison to Susan B. Anthony. virtually all of us have "done nothing". Not sure why someone would choose that metric, other than trying to attack Bon Jovi, Springsteen and Lady Gaga.


I don't know man... (none / 0) (#2)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 11:56:06 AM EST

what Springsteen does is so much more important than voting. Not so much last night, but his life's work.

I doubt I'll remember who I voted for in 2016 when I'm 64...but I'll remember the lyrics to "Atlantic City".


It is possible to remember both (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by ruffian on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:18:33 PM EST

As I will!!!


: Rock on Pal, rock on... (none / 0) (#17)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:43:10 PM EST

Your joy and my other TL friends joy is and will take a little of the status-quo sting off the results for me.
And one thing almost all of us can agree is a beautiful thing...Trump the LOSER. Where corporate bankruptcy law fails, voters succeed!

Welp, this got me started. I'll be listening to (none / 0) (#9)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:52:10 PM EST

Bruce for the rest of the day...


In a total coincidence... (none / 0) (#11)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:13:53 PM EST

I was getting my "Nebraska" on just last night.

We'll call it even Johnny 99


10th ave freeze out right now... (none / 0) (#13)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:24:07 PM EST

... live in 2000

...he introduces Clarence as the rightful next President of the US.


Thunder Road down here (none / 0) (#22)
by fishcamp on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:33:57 PM EST

His best song, imo. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:37:05 PM EST

Went to Catalina Island on Sunday, caught dozens and dozens of hard charging Bonito and Calico Bass. Super fun.


You hothouse flowers (none / 0) (#27)
by jondee on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:59:20 PM EST

need to get up here and get into some late-fall run steelhead ;-) The minute you hook a 15 pounder, you'll forget you ever felt cold in your life.


I went to school up in your neck of the woods. (none / 0) (#28)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 03:04:42 PM EST

Regrettably, I had no idea the Great Lakes had steelhead.


Steelhead and calico bass (none / 0) (#31)
by fishcamp on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 03:47:04 PM EST

Are not in our neighborhood, but bonito's are, and they hit our live bait all the time, when fishing for sailfish. The sails are just starting to show up, but will soon be here by the thousands when it gets colder. They come down from the cold water off Maryland on their annual trek to Mexico. We catch live bait on the way out with three different kinds of nets. Alligator Reef is only four miles offshore and loaded with all types of sporty and eating fish. Stone crab season just opened too, but they're really expensive this year. Like $34.95 per pound, for the largest size. Usually I can get a legal (24") grouper in about two hours, much closer to my house, out at Caloosa Rocks. We always have fish.


: I think our Bonito is different from yours, (none / 0) (#39)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 07:52:45 PM EST

but both are good fun.
We also saw a good sized Marlin busting up some baitfish.
I'm jealous of how you eat!

They're transplants (none / 0) (#40)
by jondee on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 08:16:46 PM EST

but they really took. As did what they used to call the "german brown trout"..

The big ones come from the lake into the trib streams and rivers to spawn from October on into the winter months.


: Yup, I'm heading to the Upper Owens (none / 0) (#42)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 09:28:43 PM EST

river next week to look for the big browns and 'bows coming up from Lake Crowley. I don't think they get to be the size of yours, but they are super fun.

Yesterday (none / 0) (#36)
by TrevorBolder on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 06:19:36 PM EST

Off the beach

A dozen 15 pound bluefish. Mean and ornery fish,

And leave your tackle all busted up, especially when using a salmon/steelhead rod.

Rare and fun days for a surfcaster


Whaat?? Congrats man, that's a day of fishing. (none / 0) (#38)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 07:50:53 PM EST

My dad fished for blues before he got married, he used to tell us how vicious they were.

Where are you fishing?


Long Island, NY (none / 0) (#44)
by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:03:28 AM EST

Have usually fished the South Shore beaches, in the Atlantic.
Just started fishing the North Shore, out at Orient POint, Long Island Sound.
Hoping for striped bass, but 15 pound blues , especially 12 of them, leave me exhausted


: Makes sense, my dad was living on LI (none / 0) (#46)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:55:54 AM EST

back then. One of these days I'll get back east and give them a shot!

Bluefish are some mean mofos (none / 0) (#41)
by jondee on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 08:25:25 PM EST

almost like big, very streamlined piranhas.

When they're really running, they'll hit anything that even remotely resembles a bait fish.


When they get that big (none / 0) (#45)
by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:06:04 AM EST

I think they resemble small tuna...with razor teeth.

I was fishing one day, out in my waders, and hooked a small sea robin on a tin, as the sea robin was several feet away, a big blue swam through and next thing i saw, was half a sea robin.
I was very careful about reaching down in the water after that


We get bluefish down here (none / 0) (#48)
by fishcamp on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:08:05 AM EST

for about two months during the winter mackerel season. Being from the west coast I didn't know they bite everything, including fingers. I now rate them in the same category as barracuda. We always yell "teeth on the deck" when someone brings those biters on board.


: Lol (none / 0) (#49)
by TrevorBolder on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:31:42 PM EST

Oh no, keep your fingers away from bluefish.
They got me once, trying to unhook a big one in the surf. My hand turned all red, I just got up and counted digits, still had 10 so I was allright. Needed butterflys though.

You know, I very seriously doubt that ... (none / 0) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:41:45 PM EST

kdog: "what Springsteen does is so much more important than voting."

... the Boss himself would ever agree with such an absurd (and frankly offensive) trivialization.

People have died in defense of our right to vote. Please get real.


People have died in the defense of art... (none / 0) (#29)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 03:07:30 PM EST

Lighten up and get real.


: You kow, kdog, there are some who ... (none / 0) (#34)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 04:37:20 PM EST

... might find your perpetual cynicism about politics to be endearing. I'm obviously not one of them. Your wanton trivialization of our right to vote is entirely inappropriate and asinine.
Just because YOU don't happen to appreciate and respect the electoral process, and just because YOU don't want to participate in that process to any meaningful degree, that doesn't give you due cause to denigrate and dismiss those who feel otherwise.
The right to vote so happens to be THE paramount right of free expression in our democratic society. And I can guaran-fkcn-tee you that if we didn't exercise that right regularly and robustly, the music of Bruce Springsteen, Melissa Etheridge, Woody Guthrie, Billie Holliday, etc., would otherwise be nowhere to be found, because the powers that be would likely see to it that those outspoken artists were duly labeled as subversive elements, to be censored or worse.
So, if you want to "lighten up" and stroll blithely through life in a countercultural haze, fine. But as you do, you best realize that the only reason you're even able to do that is because there are a lot of other people across our country who are doing all the heavy lifting for you, in order to ensure that your right to exercise self-indulgence remains intact and sacrosanct.
Aloha.

I live about a mile from there (none / 0) (#3)
by jondee on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 11:59:01 AM EST

I suppose I should mosey on over.

Frederick Douglass is there too.

People in the neighborhood have been saying that every time Trump gave a speech, the peaceful silence at Mt Hope was disturbed by a sound coming from underground that sounded like a turbine spinning at a few thousand rpms.


That stream of all the (none / 0) (#4)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:02:05 PM EST

women lining up to have their pictures taken at Susan B. Anthony's grave was just awesome and I agree that it is more important than Lady Gaga.


: Lady Gaga herself would no doubt agree. (none / 0) (#26)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:46:41 PM EST

She is one very well-grounded pop star, who has never failed to impress me with her heightened sense of social consciousness.

Here goes nothing (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by CST on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:36:00 PM EST

I've spent the day horsetrading with whatever higher power may be. "If we win the president and the senate, Republicans can keep the house and I don't care about ballot questions" "If you give me this ballot question you can have that ballot question" "If you give me the president, the senate, and ballot questions, every Boston sports team can come in last this year"

You know, reasonable stuff like that.

t.v. is uselss churning (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by MKS on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:09:10 PM EST

of rumors.

I am phonebanking instead, and it is doing wonders for my sanity.

I have not turned them on (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:31:57 PM EST

in quite a while. All they do is make you nervous and upset and it's just not worth it. I watched the other day and I was on the verge of calling the stockbroker and pulling everything out of my accounts because I know the stock market would crash if Trump was elected.


: I'm confident (none / 0) (#16)
by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:41:31 PM EST

But it's nerve wracking as hell when my son's ability to become a pre-existing condition again hangs in the balance.
I'll sleep for a week after tonight

I really do agree it will be called when those 8pm (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by ruffian on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:27:03 PM EST

eastern polls close.

Trump is of course already filing suits, Nevada for one...he thinks people that were in line for early voting when the polls closed should not have been able to vote, which is of course flat out wrong. It is however just a part of the vast disinformation campaign he has been waging for 18 months. God I hope no one feels the need to give him a free microphone again anytime soon.

: Yes (none / 0) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 01:44:35 PM EST

All the jangled nerves deserve an 8 pm call on this. Then I'm going to Lunesta myself into a coma!

: I think his specific (none / 0) (#33)
by ding7777 on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 04:27:40 PM EST

complaint was people joining the line (not the ones already on line) after the polls closed which is not allowed on Election Day.

: A federal judge in Las Vegas ... (none / 0) (#35)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 04:40:24 PM EST

... has already dismissed the Trump campaign's complaint.

: Well, ha! See how wrong I can be (none / 0) (#47)
by ruffian on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:57:08 PM EST

I know nothing, shutting up now.

It's embarassing when... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:07:37 PM EST

a candidate loses their home state...I don't know what you call it when a candidate nearly gets Bronx-cheered out of their polling place in their home city & state.

I Love NY

Probably 1/2 of those people (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:11:44 PM EST

worked for him or his company at one time or another and were not paid.


dog, one of them has to (eom) (none / 0) (#25)
by jmacWA on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 02:46:03 PM EST

: Carpetbagging... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
by kdog on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 06:27:14 PM EST

doesn't count.

Including, sadly, (none / 0) (#30)
by Peter G on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 03:36:36 PM EST

Al Gore, IIRC, when he was VP candidate.


: Correction: (none / 0) (#43)
by NYShooter on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 09:29:56 PM EST

....when he was Presidential candidate.
Quite a reversal from the days he won 95% of the vote as a candidate for the House.

humor (none / 0) (#7)
by ding7777 on Tue Nov 08, 2016 at 12:26:09 PM EST

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