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Hillary Heads to Texas, On Firmer Ground

Hillary Clinton flew from Nevada to Texas late yesterday and gave a speech at Texas Southern University. (She had a coughing fit, and for about a minute, her voice was a whisper. Did no one have a bottle of water to give her? )

Lines were long and people were enthusiastic to see and hear from the presidential candidate in person.

She hit every topic a few times, from discrimination against the LGBT community, to racism, the criminal justice system, income inequality, immigration, education, etc. She hit Bernie Sanders hard, saying he shouldn't be making promises he can't keep -- like his promises of free tuition for all. (He can't make it happen with the current Republican Governor of Texas.) She said we shouldn't be raising taxes of the middle class. [More...]

She wants young people to know she understands what they are up against. For many, who are done with college, it's not about making college more affordable but how to deal with their student debt. She has a plan to cut interest rates and cap payments and stop debt collectors from harassing them or getting them arrested (as she says happened to someone in Houston recently.)

She's excited because we all have to do this together. She's going to work hard for the Texas primary. She needs you to go to HillaryClinton.com and join her.

Speech over. She looks remarkably energetic and put together for 11 pm on such a busy day. Bernie, on the other hand, looks more tired by the day.

Tonight all Bernie could do during his post-Nevada caucus speech was portend the biggest upset ever at the nominating convention. I think he's dreaming. The nomination will be decided well before then, and if as has been reported, Hillary has the super delegates, he's not going to last until the convention.

Most of his supporters seem to be first time participants in the electoral process. It's hard enough to get them to turn out on Election Day -- expecting them to turn out in force for primaries and caucuses seems far-fetched.

From the Fort Worth Star Telegram:

A survey released by Public Policy Polling of Raleigh, N.C., last week gives her reason for optimism, showing her leading, mostly by double digits, in 10 of the 12 states that will hold Democratic primaries between March 1 and 8. In Texas, she led by 23 points, 57 percent to 34 percent.

...A total of 252 delegates are at stake in Texas, the third-largest package of delegates in the Democratic nomination race behind California and New York. Some 222 delegates will be proportionally awarded based on the results of the primary, and 30 will be doled out to “super-delegates,” consisting of Texas Democrats in Congress and Texas members of the Democratic National Committee.

There's been very little media attention on Sanders tonight. I think the media's focus will soon switch from Bernie v. Hillary to Hillary v. Trump, Hillary v. Rubio and Trump v Cruz and Rubio very soon. (There is zero chance Ted Cruz will get the nomination.)

I hope Julian Castro joins Hillary at Texas campaign events this week. He was in Nevada for her a few days ago.

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    Will Ferrell jumps off the Bernietanic (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 08:24:46 AM EST
    Whew...now I can finally make up my mind. (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 05:20:10 PM EST
    Was waiting for the Ferrell endorsement.

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    LOL, you should write more like this (none / 0) (#67)
    by NYShooter on Sat Feb 27, 2016 at 12:47:03 AM EST
    Don't normally associate you with belly busters, its a welcome addition.

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    I'm always impressed (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by smott on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 03:22:23 PM EST
    At how tireless Clinton seems. She appears to almost gain energy from the process (Bill was the same only more so IMO).
    And it's an incredibly debilitating process. I'm not surprised Sanders seems or looks tired.  I recall how even Obama, a youngster in comparison to either, also looked ragged throughout the primaries.

    It's a marathon.

    Kudos to both of them for taking it on.

    Fox News' Chris Wallace ... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 03:01:31 AM EST
    ... whined on-air today because Hillary Clinton apparently refused his request for an interview. Good. Why should she go there, and grant his network an undeserved legitimacy as a reputable source of quality journalism?

    To be fair, Donald, it is (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 06:20:54 AM EST
    getting more and more difficult to view any of the news outlets be it Fox or CNN or MSNBC, etc., as a " reputable source of quality journalism."

    Let us not forget that the recent stupid gotcha question -are you a liar? - was asked of Clinton by Scott Pelley of the storied CBS News.

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    Today (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 11:47:40 AM EST
    Freedom Group, the parent company of Bushmaster Firearms is expected to ask a Connecticut judge to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit brought against it by some of the families of the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre.  They are arguing that they are protected by a 2005 federal law that shields gun manufacturers from most lawsuits when their products are used in crimes.

    Guess who voted for that bill?

    They are right.... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by mm on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 12:44:04 PM EST
    As Bernie says, "it's just like suing a company that makes hammers".  Yeah, same thing.

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    my reservations (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by tworivers on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 03:12:20 PM EST
    I know this site is very pro-Hillary (that was the case even back in 2008, back when i used to come to this site more often).

    My problem with Hillary is that I can't tell which are the positions she actually sincerely believes in and which are the positions she's taking purely out of political calculation.  Which positions will she try to try to follow through on, which ones will she toss aside once she gets the nomination, and which ones will she conveniently forget about on the back burner once she's president?

    I know she is a superior candidate to Bernie in some ways (she doesn't have to defend being a socialist, has shown she can slug it out in the trenches), and I'll vote for her if she gets the nomination, but her coziness with Wall Street and other moneyed interests and her hawkishness give me pause.

    There's no question she has the experience and know how to be President.  I just she were more like Elizabeth Warren (who strikes me as being a far better candidate than either Sanders or Clinton).


    Are there other candidates . . . (5.00 / 7) (#39)
    by Trickster on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 04:56:18 PM EST
    about whom you can readily tell what they really believe vs. what they politically calculate?  Which ones?  How can you tell?

    As for Mrs. Clinton, she's been in the national public arena for over two decades.  She's not a natural as a public speaker, but she does her position homework before public appearances.  Together, those tendencies make her come across as  scripted - but my gut judgment, based on long experience with her, is that she is more sincere than most politicians are.

    In other words, I believe the "trust" issue for Clinton is an artificial one, a combination of her unease in public settings and decades of groundless Republican attacks. I, personally, am not even slightly worried about Clinton's trustworthiness or sincerity.

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    I appreciate your position, but I have to disagree (5.00 / 5) (#46)
    by Anc260 on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 03:10:51 AM EST
    I really think that the "untrustworthy" and "not genuine" labels that you are channeling are a product of years of GOP mudslinging. I don't understand why Democratic voters are so zealous in their regurgitation of these partisan attacks.

    Virtually every politician has changed their stance on critical issues due to political calculation (Barack Obama on same sex marriage or Bernie Sanders on gun maker liability, for example), so I don't understand why Hillary Clinton deserves special blame.
    I just read that back in the day Bernie Sanders called for abolishing the CIA...peoples' opinions evolve over time.

    The charge that Hillary Clinton is cozy will Wall Street is also curious to me. This is a claim that's been described by Barnie Frank as "without basis." More importantly, why is this a problem only with Hillary Clinton, and not Barack Obama (who I assume Sanders voters supported in the past)?

    I always get the impression from Sanders supporters that Hillary Clinton is the poster child for shady corporate donations, when thats obviously not the case.

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    Sorry that you are not (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Towanda on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 07:30:36 AM EST
    having your 2008 moment.

    But from my 2008 experience, I can tell you that you'll get through this.  

    And if you try to get through it with grace, you read up on her experience in getting sh!t done, and you look up the candidate's positions, and you find out that your problem actually was . . . not reading up and looking them up before this.

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    As Mario Cuomo once observed, ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 06:22:08 PM EST
    ... "You campaign in oratory, but you govern in prose." At this point, I'm looking for someone with the necessary chops to actually BE president, and not somebody who's auditioning for that role in some prime-time revivial of "The West Wing."

    While I also agree with you that Elizabeth Warren is great, she has said repeatedly that she has no interest in running for president. So, let's please stop fantasizing about a mythical candidacy that simply isn't going to materialize, at the expense of Hillary Clinton's very real campaign.

    Truth be told, we have no idea how Warren might perform on such a national stage, and I don't think either woman is served well when people make that sort of irrelevant comparison.

    Aloha.

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    I never suggested that Warren was going to run (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 11:06:46 AM EST
    Please don't put words in my mouth/ascribe to me things I never said.

    Saying "I wish there were a candidate that was more like Warren in the race" is not the same thing as saying "Elizabeth Warren is entering the race now any minute, I know it".

    I spent more hours volunteering for Warren during her senate run in MA than I have for any other candidate, because I like where she stands on the issues.

    Bernie in some ways raises many of the same issues as Warren, but he has many flaws as a candidate.  

    Truth is, I think Hillary and Bernie are both flawed, but either would be light years better than any Republican running.

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    The "flawed" stuff is BS (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 12:44:06 PM EST
    People like Matthew Dowd (ABC news pundit these days after being with W during his tenure) and other Repubs, notably, have employed--used & re-used --the word "flawed" in reference to HRC.  Having watched character painting many times before, the appellation almost makes me chuckle ... if it were not so malevolently designed.

    One thing the Repubs have practiced quite adeptly over the years is the portrayal of character via the repeated trope.  You know, if a term/word/pronouncement is repeated often enough, it is not unusual for a significant number of vaguely informed individuals to believe and repeat it themselves.  In this obvious situation: (a) We should ask what unique "flaws" she possesses? and (b) We surely must ask whether any known human being in our world is without "flaws."  (Maybe a Saint?)

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    of course every person is flawed (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 03:40:54 PM EST
    Of course every person is flawed.  I never claimed otherwise.  I was talking about flaws as a candidate, not as a human being

    Here are some weaknesses I see in her aa a candidate.  Your views may vary

    1) Her coziness with Wall Street.  Examples:

    A) The three speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs in 2013 which netted her $675,000
    B) 4 of her top 5 contibutors since 1989 have been Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase and Morgan Stanley See here
    C) "Out of all the presidential candidates, Republican or Democrat, Clinton has raised the most money--$717,000--from lobbyist bundlers."  
    See here
    Among these lobbyist bundlers are Steve Elmensdof, who lobbies for Goldman Sachs (and who was recently seen at one of the Clinton Sanders debates sitting next to Clinton surrogate Howard Dean)

    2) Her Iraq War vote, and her overall hawkishness on foreign policy, and her professed admiration for Kissinger, who is a war criminal as far as I'm concerned.  Also, some of the arms deals she made as SoS (including the recently revealed sales the US made with the Saudis, who used the munitions to bomb Yemen)

    Those two issues are my main concerns with her as a candidate.  I see them as flaws.  Is she worlds better than any Republican candidate?  Without question.  Does Bernie have flaws too?  Yes.  His campaign is a bit too one note (although the note he hits is right on in my opinion) and he shows little interest in foreign policy (which as a President, would be a huge portion of his job).  The fact that passage of his plans is predicated on a revolution, which so far does not seem to be happening (Republican turnout is better than Democratic turnout so far in this year's primaries).

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    "Coziness with Wall Street" (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by Trickster on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 04:53:55 PM EST
    As you describe it, consists of taking money from Wall St.

    I have never understood why people object to a political candidate taking money from anybody who will give it.  

    A political donation does not come with a contract: to the contrary, it's illegal to purchase votes.  A whole pile of scholarly research suggests there is very little connection between political contributions and votes.  All that wealthy donors purchase is access, and not even all that much of it.

    If you think Goldman Sachs is an evil entity, what is wrong with taking some of their money away from them and putting it to good use?

    And let me ask a further question.  A systematic question.

    Cruz and Rubio can accept a pile of Wall St. money that stretches to the sky, and not a peep is uttered.  Do we really want to unilaterally declare that only OUR candidates cannot build their campaign coffers from the largest piles of donor cash available?  While the other side is perfectly free to use any sources whatsoever?

    And win the election thereby?  This at a time when the Supreme Court is deadlocked and the opposing party is increasingly difficult to distinguish from pure evil?

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    Trump (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 05:25:17 PM EST
    I agree that if Cruz or Rubio gets the nomination, then attacking Hillary for coziness with Wall Street would be a  non-issue.  Both Marco and Ted are beneficiaries of Wall Street largesse, and hence would be in no position to take Hillary to task for it.

    However, if, God forbid, xenophobic racist blowhard Donald Trump were to be the Republican nominee, he could make the case that he is less indebted to moneyed interests than Hillary is.  He has largely been self-funded thus far, and is running as a populist.  Yes, he is an evil, xenophobic racist populist who is using voter anger to cynically stoke fear of immigrants, Muslims, etc.  But he plays the outsider, claims that he doesn't take money from anybody else (although he has taken some), and has positioned himself as the most populist of the freakshow otherwise known as the Republican presidential primary.

    There's a reason why populism in its ugly form (Trump) and in its more idealistic (albeit admittedly somewhat unrealistic) form (Sanders) is getting so much traction.  People are pissed.  Wages have stayed stagnant for 30 plus years and the Middle Class dream is slipping away for more and more people.

    To be a successful candidate in this election cycle will require an awareness and acknowledgement of this anger.  Obama inherited a terrible economy, and had to fight Republican obstructionism tooth and nail to pass anything.  I think he's helped the economy, and I'm convinced the economic situation would have been a whole lot worse under a President McCain or a President Romney.  

    That being said, for any candidate running now to come off sounding overly content with the economic status quo would be a huge mistake.  Democratic candidates need to embrace Obama in some ways, but also must make clear that they know people are still hurting and wealth is not getting shared as evenly as it should be.

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    one other thing (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 06:05:36 PM EST
    re: "I have never understood why people object to a political candidate taking money from anybody who will give it."

    I object to it due to studies like the one conducted by Professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University), summarized here.  (See link to actual study at bottom)

    Does the study prove without a doubt that Hillary would be corrupted by the money she's received from moneyed interests?  No.

    But I think this study's findings are very telling all the same, and paint a picture of a Washington D.C. that is far far too corrupted by money and lobbyists.  

    When you think back to the financial crisis of 2008, who got bailed out 100 cents on the dollar?  Why, Goldman Sachs et. al.!  And who was left to fend for themselves (except for very ineffectual, not-worthy-to-the-task programs like HAMP)?  Ordinary Joe Schmoe Americans, struggling to stay in their homes.

    When Wall Street, Big Pharma, oil companies and other moneyed interests give money to candidates, they don't do so out of the goodness of their hearts.  They expect a return on investment.  And when the rubber hits the road and a bill is on the line, they send teams of lobbyists up to D.C. to try to ensure that their financial interests are protected.  And far too often, lobbyist influence is such that they can prevail in congress, even when the majority of the public is on the opposite side of the issue.

    The system is broken, folks.
     

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    I'm all for getting cash out of politics (none / 0) (#65)
    by Trickster on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:15:58 PM EST
    But the bailout is a poor example.  That had to happen.  If it hadn't, we'd be living off the land, and that would be pretty uncomfortable for us urban dwellers.

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    Please provide proof (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 05:01:54 PM EST
    1. Of any malfeasance on her part because of these speeches. If you can't, please educate us on why you are not upset with the fact that she took millions from other industries - like the tech industry (you know, the people that could hand over your entire life and all your data) - are you as upset about that?  She was also the Senator from New York - should she have ignored a large part of her constituency and never dealt with them?  Do you think a president can ignore Wall Street and only slam them or do you think a president will need to work with Wall Street?

    2. Look at her floor speech, look at her apology, and realize that Barack Obama (had he been in the Senate at the time) said he probably would have voted for the AUMF as well.  Did you vote for him?  Did you vote for John Kerry and John Edwards - who both voted for the AUMF?  If so, why did you not hold that vote against them (or, in Obama's case, the fact that he said he probably WOULD have voted for it)?

    Maybe because I live here in the DC area, but people from different parties go on TV and write op-eds where they bash each other, but in reality, many of them get along pretty well.  Are you saying a Secretary of State should not talk to other people who've had that job? (It's a pretty small group).  And they're friends - so what?  If people in this town hated everyone on the other side of the aisle, then no one would ever speak to each other.

    Look - you vote how you want to vote, and if Bernie is your guy, then I say go for it.  He is a good and honorable man, but all I ask is that you don't buy the headlines and actually think about what's going on in the background.  Politicians are politicians and as BTD says, they do what they do.  But if you are going to question the motivations and history of one candidate, isn't it only fair that you question the other? Here are some you may want to think about.


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    Perhaps slight malfeasance (none / 0) (#60)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 06:48:03 PM EST
    She did vote in 2001 while a NY senator for a bankruptcy bill that wall Street and credit card companies favored, a bill that made it harder for consumers to declare bankruptcy. Warren talks about this in one of her books.  She describes meeting with Hillary in 1998, and the two of them agreeing that the bankruptcy bill must be stopped.  Warren was later surprised when Hillary voted three years later for the same bill.

    To her credit, Hillary later admitted she regretted that vote, saying  "I was happy that it never became law." She later voted against a very similar bill in 2005, so it appears she listened to her better angels that time around.

    So is that a slam dunk case of malfeasance?  No.  But I do find it a bit of a stretch to believe that someone who has received 675,000 dollars from one company in one year is going to turn around and crack down on this same company after being elected.

    My guess is that, once elected, she'll be like Obama, offer some words occasionally about the corrupting influence of money, but will never make it a priority, and won't ever expend much political capital on doing anything meaningful about it.  It will just get back-burnered.

    re: your suggested reading on Bernie - I have already admitted several of bernie's flaws, but I will check it out

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    You might want to check your facts again (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 07:09:26 PM EST
    The bill she voted for never became law. And what she voted for was because it helped women and children - you know, so the deadbeat husbands and father couldn't easily get out of paying child support and alimony.

    So, you only have mere speculation about her votes and money taken from speeches from banks (but I notice, you don't seem to address all the other speeches she has given).

    And I guess I'd have to ask - do you think, in any possible realm of the world, should Bernie become the nominee, that he won't have to take corporate money?  Do you honestly think "small donors" would get him to the finish line?  If not, then isn't it fair to say of course he would be corrupted and shouldn't be trusted?


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    It helped women and children (none / 0) (#62)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 07:39:35 PM EST
    and yet later she said she wasn't happy it didn't pass?  Sounds like she's trying to have it both ways.

    For her part Warren wasn't impressed with Clinton's justifications.  From the same article you linked to (quoting Warren's book):

    "While this amendment may have provided some political cover, it offers virtually no financial help to single mothers, since the overwhelming majority of ex-husbands don't pay anything in distributions during bankruptcy," Warren wrote. "Of far more importance was the fact that the bill would permit credit card companies to compete with women after bankruptcy for their ex-husbands' limited income, and this provision remained unchanged in the 1998 and 2001 versions of the bill. Senator Clinton claimed that the bill improved circumstances for single mothers, but her view was not shared by any women's groups or consumer groups."

    It's been nice debating with you all - it's off to make dinner now.


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    From the art8cke I posted (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 08:26:50 PM EST
    "In light of subsequent events, Warren's comments from 2004 at this point appear out of date. We would be curious to know if Warren's experience as senator has changed her perspective on Clinton's actions in 2001."

    It's a strange comment from Warren since every female Senator supported the first bill.

    And it's telling that Sen. Warren has yet to endorse.   If this was so troubling for her, it seems she would have endorsed Sanders by now.

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    meant to say (none / 0) (#63)
    by tworivers on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 07:40:36 PM EST
    and yet later she said she WAS happy it didn't pass?

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    She voted for a bill to be sent to reconciliation (none / 0) (#66)
    by Trickster on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:17:50 PM EST
    Not a bill to be presented to the President.  And at the time she voted for it, she said she did it because it was a "work in progress" and she was voting for what it could become.

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    Reservations are good! (none / 0) (#51)
    by dstein on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 09:14:15 AM EST
    I support HRC despite having many reservations about her and every other actual or conceivable candidate. I applaud Sanders for his run, which has forced HRC to espouse positions more to my liking (and I suspect more to hers, although I can only speculate). That's how politics in a democracy must work, even in one as broken as ours is. By espousing more progressive policies, and enlarging her constituency with more voters who value these policies, she changes the political calculus (for the better, IMO) that she must use to govern if she is to be effective and successful.

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    "All women stand to benefit (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 03:01:08 AM EST
    from the impact that female executive leadership will have on the psyche of the country. On our daughters. She will slowly erase the "eh" factor for the rest of us. This means my daughter will have a different experience. She may be taken seriously, respected, and not require male endorsement to get through doors. Her effort and accomplishments will be acknowledged. I wonder how much she could accomplish without that burden? I will vote for anything that spares her even a tiny bit of having to tirelessly prove her competence to a world that isn't going to believe it. They don't believe it because female leadership is not a part of our history. It needs to be."

    - Sherry Pagoto, Salon, Yes, I'm voting for Hillary because she is a woman (but it's not quite as simple as that.)

    And this: (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Nemi on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 06:41:58 AM EST
    Even if Hillary Clinton loses, she has stimulated conversations that need to be had. She's taking one for the team by shouldering body blows of unconscious bias in front of the entire world. For that, as women, we have to thank her. In between punches, one day maybe she'll tell us how she endured it all and kept pushing on. I, for one, would like to know.


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    IMO this is spot on (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 08:30:33 AM EST
    Tom Sullivan, via Digby.  

    Wasn't sure which thread to use, but I think it captures the challenge ahead.

    She should have a more ... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 06:24:59 AM EST
    relaxing week than she might have thought.

    But she has to keep her eyes on the prize. Beat Sanders decisively on Super Tuesday. If she could keep his wins down to one or two states that would be ideal.

    And then, slowly, as she wraps up more contests throughout March, begin sharpening her knives for the Republicans.

    My nephew (none / 0) (#4)
    by smott on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 03:28:40 PM EST
    Is a big Sanders supporter (as is my older brother) and sent me the latest polls showing a near tie between Sanders and Clinton nationally. He's mapping out how Bernie can win the nom. I'm carefully reminding him of delegates, winner take all states, and of course, the AA vote. But man the kid has a ton of energy!
    I can barely remember feeling like that LOL, but God bless him! And my bro too, who at age 60 is a strong Sanders guy.

    I remember bro and I being so thrilled with Dukasis's 17-point lead over Poppy in summer of 88.  Oh well.....

    I think perhaps that's when I first started to get " old"in re the political process tho I was only 20 something.  Sigh!.....

    The '88 election was sad and ugly. (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 04:07:17 PM EST
    The sort of scurrilous and lowbrow stuff the late Bush campaign guru Lee Atwater did to Michael Dukakis was unforgivable, even though Dukakis in fact did forgive him a couple of years later, when Atwater was dying from an inoperable brain tumor and sought to apologize for what he did.

    But it's that snooty little pissant George H.W. Bush who actually needs to apologize to Dukakis, since it was his campaign and Atwater merely worked for him. I thought it was a wonderful moment od Schadenfreude four years later, when Poppy only got 38% of the vote and was tossed out of office by Bill Clinton.

    The entire Bush family has been a pox and blight on the American political landscape since Poppy's father Prescott and maternal grandfather George Walker first plotted to overthrow President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a military coup back in 1934. Hopefully, with Jeb!'s ignonimous exit from the GOP race yesterday, we've seen the last of those self-entitled and blueblooded scumbags for the balance of our respective lifetimes.

    Good effin riddance to them all.

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    It's a sad commentary (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by smott on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 04:19:39 PM EST
    On the depths we are plumbing w the current GOP Klown Kar, that Poppy actually looks sorta good in comparison.

    Here in Pittsburgh we lost Elsie Hillman last year, a long time Republican benefactor.  She was outspoken for women's rights and against racism at a time when neither party wanted much to go there, and supported candidates who went there with her.  She lamented specifically the entry into the political arena Newt Gingrich and his Contract for America Yahoos, and the loss of any whiff of civility on the GOP side. I think Bush (and maybe Dole) were the last campaigns she wanted anything to do with, and she was outspoken about the destruction of the party. And good for her.

    If more Republicans were like Elsie, the nation would be much better off. She lived in my neighborhood when I was a kid. My parents were staunch Dems and they talked about her fondly. Elsie will be missed.  In a way I'm glad she not around to witness this disgusting play.


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    The 1988 campaign (aka the Horton year) (none / 0) (#9)
    by christinep on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 04:33:31 PM EST
    That campaign, for me, became memorable in view of (a) the depths to which false imagery & fear-founded ads could sink courtesy of the Repubs (b) the concomitant inability of our Dems to counter the character-assassination and ridicule techniques used on Dukakis (did I not mention the kid in the tank?)  

    I learned also how ephemeral the summer polls could be ... going from as big a lead as 30 pts by Dukakis against Bush poppa to overwhelming loss by November.  (BTW, a few of the high school shenanigans of yore were spotted in recent weeks if I'm not mistaken ... 'could be that Tad Devine learned something not too nice from his Dukakis' days ... 'hope not.)

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    Tangent.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by magster on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 09:00:46 PM EST
    Romney did as well as GHWB amongst white voters in 2012 and only got 206 EV's to GHWB gajillion EV's. Dems win if there's turnout.

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    Papa Bush... (none / 0) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 12:31:04 PM EST
    ... will always have my respect.  He wisely engaged in a war that was to push Iraq out of Kuwait.  I was in the service when this went down and I think a lot of us were damn he didn't go after Saddam or try and spread democracy in the ME.

    Lot of bodies could have been piled up had he made another choice.  I read once that they estimated less soldiers were killed in Desert Storm than had they been at home doing the stupid S they do.

    That is no small feat IMO.

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    I remember it coming out ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 03:46:30 PM EST
    that Dukasis has paid for ads to be produced by Ed McCabe. Who was one of the top guys in advertising at the time.  But they never aired.

    They ran them on one of the morning shows after Dukakis lost.  They were pretty fantastic.

    Could they have helped him win?

    Shrug.

    But leaving something like that on the table ...

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    Well... (none / 0) (#7)
    by smott on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 04:12:01 PM EST
    Dunno about ads....I think it was not much more complicated than the Snoopy Tank pics and the stunningly technocratic response to the Kitty Rape question.

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    Oh yes, I forgot about (none / 0) (#10)
    by christinep on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 04:40:23 PM EST
    the hypothetical if-your-wife-was-raped etc. debate question posed to Dukakis.  Truly, his answer in automaton tone & content was one of the worst answers during a presidential debate that I have ever heard.  a disconnect with any campaign human ... horrendous.

    Thanks for the reminder, smott. (Now, I'm trying to recall if there are any equally lousy responses in a presidential debate format ever???)

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    Well... (none / 0) (#11)
    by smott on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 06:58:41 PM EST
    I'd have to think but, I guess the "there you go again" Reagan response to whatever Carter said was near to a death blow.

    The "you're no Jack Kennedy" in 88  sounded like it should have been, but Quayle/Poppy survived. Though arguably Quayle was DOA after that term. The inability to spell potato prolly didn't help LOL!

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    Yes. The worst debate answer ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 21, 2016 at 11:00:55 PM EST
    ... I can remember is President Gerald Ford's insistence that there was no Soviet domination of Poland and eastern Europe, which he said during the last of the three TV debates he had with Jimmy Carter in 1976. Whatever momentum he had heading into Election Day died at that moment, and Carter went on to win.

    But on the upside, we can credit Ford and Carter that year for re-initiating the tradition of televised presidential debates, which were the first ones held since the Nixon-Kennedy debates in 1960.

    Aloha.

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    Not a presidential debate (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 07:03:07 AM EST
    But let's not forget Ross Perot's running mate, Adm. James Stockdale and his, "Who am I? Why am I here?"

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    Not making fun (none / 0) (#17)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 07:07:51 AM EST
    He only found out a week before the debate  that he was supposed to be there and never talked to Perot about it.  He was woefully unprepared and he always said afterwards they were rhetorical questions meant to introduce himself.  But with the SNL parodies that came after, he never recovered from seeming like a doddering old man.

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    Talk about a low blow (none / 0) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:41 PM EST
    Adm. James Stockdale was the highest ranking officer held as a prisoner by the North Vietnamese. He was a POW for seven years, and was also a recipient of The Congressional Medal of Honor, the country's highest military honor.

    What a screwed up country we've got. Papa Bush was on the cover of Newsweek with the headline, "The Wimp Factor." Some Wimp! A decorated fighter pilot in WW2, shot down in the Pacific, and yet, was credited with having saved other shot down pilots. (Of course, I'm not talking politics here.)

    Michael Dukakis's caught by surprise answer about a hypothetical rape ended up giving us a Republican President.

    Howard Dean's, off the cuff "scream," thought to be off-the-record, destroyed a good man's opportunity to serve the country.

    Al Gore "sighed," and we ended up with a demented, ne're-do-well aberration for President.

    Good thing we've got our priorities straight.

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    Stockdale's measured pace (none / 0) (#44)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 02:08:26 AM EST
    would have worked in a nation that actually reserved the time to listen.  His was a twenty minute answer in a twenty second soundbite world.

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    I actually (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 06:12:22 AM EST
    met Admiral Stockdale back when he was head of the Citadel in SC. He was very controversial there because he wanted to make the Citadel more like the military academies. How he appeared on TV is how he appeared in real life. I was kind of shocked that Perot even picked him as his running mate.

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    Rick Perry's 'Ooops' moment is my favorite (none / 0) (#20)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 08:40:34 AM EST
    I think that pretty much put the nail in his coffin.

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    It's On YouTube (none / 0) (#30)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 12:34:22 PM EST
    Are the big rallies and enthusiasm for Bernie (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 07:38:07 AM EST
    Coming to an end? Or at least a slowdown?

    Politico has an article up that points out that this year's college spring break schedule could have a large impact on building crowds and getting his constituency to vote in the states that vote in March.  They estimate that more than half a million college kids in 14 states will be on spring break at the same time the primary or caucus will be held in their state and absentee ballot deadlines are soon approaching.

    Spring Break, No Spring Break (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 09:10:32 AM EST
    The outcome will remain the same. Sanders will continue to lose ground in the delegate count every day that voters head to the polls.

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    It (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 07:42:23 AM EST
    really doesn't matter. First of all he's been dealing with the least reliable voting bloc and they really haven't been showing up for him. So I don't see where spring break or anything else is going to make much of a difference.

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    If they go home (none / 0) (#21)
    by Towanda on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 08:53:12 AM EST
    in the states that have adopted the voter-suppression tactics (as in mine) that require students at campuses away from home to reregister with campus addresses, or get special student IDs (or stickers for campus IDs)or hurtle other hoops -- sure, this could be a factor in some areas, in which white students matter.  (The modifier is added to denote that we know that reporting on "millenials" usually means whites only.)

    But spring break also is when millions of them head to the beach, far from home or campus, and even out of the country.  

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    Hillary will stand strong in South Carolina (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 10:34:35 AM EST
    as well.

    How ironic that the African American vote in  South Carolina in 2008 derailed her campaign.  Now, African Americans are saving her bacon.

    Obama's most solid base of support is going to lift Hillary to victory.    And after the bitterness in South Carolina in 2008.  

    Seems fair (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 10:40:50 AM EST
    Lots of the bitterness was due to myths that still hang around today about Bill Clinton's alleged (but not based in reality) racist comments.

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    Remembering much disagreement here re whether Bill (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 01:05:12 PM EST
    comment re Jesse Jackson was racist.  

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    Since Jesse Jackson said it wasn't (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 01:15:55 PM EST
    I think on safe ground.

    THe other comment considered "racist" was that he called Obama's campaign a fairy tale.  It's been oft-repeated.

    Problem is, he didn't say that.  More made up stuff.

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    Probably, if you're a person who might (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 02:20:59 PM EST
    reflexively lump Obama in with Jesse Jackson, chances are you're weren't going to think of dog whistling when Clinton publicly and purposively conflated the two in a state like South Carolina. For all the good it did him.

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    "things that are condescending" (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by CST on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 02:26:37 PM EST
    For $500

    Men telling women what they are allowed to find sexist.

    White people telling black people what they are allowed to find racist.

    Straight people telling gay people what they are allowed to find homophobic.

    Any powerful group telling a less powerful group what they are allowed to be offended by.

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    Speaking of which (none / 0) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 05:00:43 PM EST
    What did you think of Kasich's "women leaving the kitchen" line?

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    Yes. Leaving the kitchen, (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 06:15:54 PM EST
    as opposed to actually working.

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    oy (none / 0) (#52)
    by CST on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 09:27:13 AM EST
    I don't even know where to start.

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    I feel like it's not really up to (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CST on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 01:09:03 PM EST
    those of us who aren't affected by something to determine whether or not someone else is allowed to be offended by something.

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    It seems that there are no (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 11:07:23 AM EST
    stronger supporters of Hillary this time around are those who supported Obama in the 2008 Primary.

    That is a good thing.

    there are no stronger (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 11:11:23 AM EST
    Hillary supporters than Obama supporters.

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    Kweisi Mfume (none / 0) (#27)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 22, 2016 at 11:38:06 AM EST
    Former president of the NAACP to endorse HRC