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Another Republican Debate Tonight

CNN is having another Republican debate tonight. I just tuned in. Trump looks very orange on my screen. Rubio does not. So it's not my TV. All four remaining Republican hopefuls are participating.

Thoughts on the debate?

Update: Trump says Ben Carson will endorse him tomorrow.

Update: John Kasich wants to cut social security benefits. Goodbye. Not acceptable.

Update: Trump is very low key (for him) tonight. He sounds more like he does in post-primary/caucus press conferences than his usual debate mode.

Update: Post Debate Interview: Trump thought it was "an elegant" debate.

Trump's wife and young son are behind him. So is son Eric and his wife. Melania looks orange too. No one else in their entourage does. I think she and Donald must have shared a bad makeup artist. (Although the CNN guy interviewing Donald is just as orange so maybe it's CNN's makeup person.) Trump also had silver marks on the bridge and tip of his nose and the center of his chin.

John Kasich just left the room, not looking happy. Did no one want to interview him?

I thought Ted Cruz dominated the debate tonight. He is far too radical right to win a general election. Marco Rubio showed some fighting spirit tonight. Trump acted like his nomination was inevitable, but Cruz said he's only 100 delegates behind Trump.

Trump's most highly scored point according to the focus group on Fox was his line about bringing China factory jobs here. It was Trump's best score with the focus group in all the debates so far.

According to Fox' focus group, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio also had chart-topping moments.(They went to commercial and I'm done watching so I don't know what they are.)

What's up with Megyn Kelly? She's mumbling her words intentionally and talking about "Nana." It's not the first time the past few weeks I've seen her launch into what seems like a private joke. It's like she doesn't want to use a teleprompter or something. I really don't like her boyish hair, or her overly conversational (as opposed to journalistic, tone. The audience isn't tuning in because they're her friend, but because they want to see the news and sound analysis.) But CNN's pundits, especially the woman named Gloria, are too awful to watch, so when it comes to Republicans, I'll watch Fox (Fox' views on Dems are irrelevant since they are anti-Dem and hardly "fair and balanced.")

Does anyone care why Ben Carson is endorsing Trump? I'd like to see how low the ratings are for his interview tomorrow morning.

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    Interesting discussion of Islam (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:54:40 PM EST
    Donald sounds crazy.  He's not.  Large numbers of primary voters agree with him.  And they love hearing it in black and white.  No grey.   He sounds completely nuts but he knows exactly what he is doing,

    All you have to do is hear the s pcreams of support for the audience.

    Then he turns (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:02:44 PM EST
    And says he wants to be a neutral arbiter in the Middle East to the horror of everyone on the stage and especially Hugh Hewitt.

    That's pretty damn smart.

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    My Opinion... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 12:31:42 PM EST
    ...Trump isn't the political genius you keep making him out to be, he's just himself which turns out is just like a whole lot of Americans, sans the cash.  Trump is black and white, you look at old interviews and things he has said on TV, there has been no shift, dumbing down, of his understanding of the people and the world, just a shift in his politics.

    The notion that this entire thing is an act, that he isn't a thin skinned racist with little understanding of geopolitics is non-sense IMO.

    If it's an act, it's an act his been running his entire life.

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    You are right of course (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:00:15 PM EST
    He just an ignorant thin skinned racist with little understanding of geopolitics.

    Who virtually single handed, without advisors, speech writers, pollsters, donors or teleprompters and after spending basically no money is the odds on favorite to grab the republican nomination in spite of violent borderline hysterical opposition from basically the entire Republican Party.

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    I think that says more about... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:43:28 PM EST
    the Republican Party and their relationship with their base than it does any "genius" on The Donald's part.  I mean you could say the Republican Party single-handedly created the conditions where a Donald Trump is poised to be their party's nominee for the presidency.

    Sh&t you could make the same critique of the Democratic Party...they've single-handedly created the conditions where a grumpy old septuagenarian jew from Brooklyn who would score maybe 1% of the delegates in any other presidential primary in my lifetime, giving the matriarch of the new royal family of the Democratic Party a run for her money that no one could have ever imagined.

    This is what happens, this is what happens Larry, when you f*ck your constituents in the arse for 30 years while catering to the 1%.

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    Some people would call that (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:49:59 PM EST
    Being politically astute.  In both cases.  But there is a big difference.  There is a very good chance Donald will be the nominee.   There is no chance Bernie will be the democratic nominee.

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:16:35 PM EST
    Super Delegates make a big difference...without them, Hillary's chances would be likely instead of certain, with many votes yet to be cast.

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    Have you ever asked yourself (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:21:23 PM EST
    Why all those suoerdelegates are for Hillary?

    Oh yeah, I know establishment, payoffs, arm twisting etc etc.

    That not the reason.

    There are a couple.   Unlike the republicans, who wish to god they had them right about now, their job is to make sure the nominee is a person who can win in November.

    The other is that many of them have to worry about getting elected downticket and they know very well Sanders would be death for democrats right down the ticket.

    So yeah.  Suoerdelegates

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    Maybe (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:39:30 PM EST
    Because she's been a loyal and tireless worker for the Democratic Party, whereas Bernie - not so much.  Even this election cycle, while she is trying to run for president,  she has raised tens of mullions of dollars to get Democrats elected.  Again, Bernie - not so much.  It's all about him.(Good luck having a revolution of one).

    She has worked for Dem issues and Dem candidates - she's more than earned their support.

    But it isn't going to come down to superdelegates anyways.

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    No it isn't (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:42:36 PM EST
    I just wanted to make it clear what their purpose is and always has been.

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    Yes, I know a little... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:49:39 PM EST
    of the history behind super-delegates...much like the Electoral College, it's a design feature to prevent the people from actually choosing their candidates and presidents directly.  Eugene McCarthy and all that.  

    Yeah, you bet the GOP establishment wish they had them right about now...the majority of GOP voters are glad they don't have them.  I'm with the people, no matter what they believe or who they vote for.  One person, one vote.

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    As jb pointed (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:54:02 PM EST
    Out Hillary will win with elected delegates.

    Easily.

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    Hey always good... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:56:54 PM EST
    to have a failsafe just in case, should too many any other state primary/caucus voters get uppity.

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    Damn right (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:58:55 PM EST
    Just ask the republicans

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    Which ones? (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:04:08 PM EST
    The con-artists or the conned?

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    The Republicans DO have (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:16:08 PM EST
    112 "unbound" delegates who are like superdelegates in that they can vote for whomever they want. (Several states/territories hold no primary or caucuses and their dekegates are chosen at a party convention. These delegates are "unbound").

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    They don't work exactly the same way (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:30:35 PM EST
    Wiki (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:34:07 PM EST
    In American politics, a "superdelegate" is a delegate to the Democratic National Convention that is seated automatically and chooses for whom they want to vote. These Democratic Party superdelegates include distinguished party leaders and elected officials, including all Democratic members of the House and Senate and sitting Democratic governors. Other superdelegates are chosen during the primary season. Democratic superdelegates are free to support any candidate for the nomination. This contrasts with convention "pledged" delegates that are selected based on the party primaries and caucuses in each U.S. state, in which voters choose among candidates for the party's presidential nomination. Because they are free to support anyone they want, superdelegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a presidential candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries.

    At least in name, superdelegates are not involved in the Republican Party nomination process. There are delegates to the Republican National Convention that are seated automatically, but they are limited to three per state, consisting of the state chairsperson and two district-level committee members. Republican Party superdelegates are obliged to vote for their state's popular vote winner under the rules of the party branch to which they belong.[1]

    Although the term superdelegate was originally coined and created to describe a type of Democratic delegate, the term has become widely used to describe these delegates in both parties,[2] even though it is not an official term used by either party.

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    Not completely (none / 0) (#66)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:48:02 PM EST
    Link

    Now might be a good time to grab a cup of coffee, because we're going to enter the world of f#@$ery that is the GOP's unbound delegate tally. Some wiggle room in the Republican Party rules allows states and territories to finagle unbound delegates should they so choose, and six have done so.

    We're going to get help from professor of political science and election junkie Josh Putnam, whose blog Frontloading HQ has kept me from pulling my hair out many times. There's a loophole in the RNC rules: Republican delegates are bound by primaries/caucuses which feature a preference vote; VoteSmart explains that a preference vote means you're voting for a specific presidential candidate.

    But the rules don't require such a vote to take place. The alternative is for people to vote for delegates to select the candidate at the party's convention, and that's what's up with North Dakota, Wyoming and Colorado.

    ... Kind of. North Dakota is the most unbound of the three; in Wyoming and Colorado, delegates up for election have to let voters know who they'll support at the convention. This is their pledge, and party rules bind them to their pledge (unless the candidate in question drops out). But delegates can run "uncommitted," meaning they can be elected without making a pledge, which would technically make them unbound.

    There are 37 delegates in Colorado, three of them RNC members; it appears that the three RNC members can't be bound, since there's no preference vote. So, potentially 37 unbound delegates from Colorado, although 34 can be bound by a pledge. Wyoming has 29 delegates in all (including three RNC members - every state gets three of those).

    Then there's Pennsylvania. In this state, there is something like a primary election (preference vote) but, for some reason, it doesn't really count. In Pennsylvania, 54 of the 71 total delegates will be unbound. These delegates will be elected during the primary, according to Ballotpedia, and the RNC guide to the primaries states they'll be elected specifically as unbound. Because...Pennsylvania?

    It's similar in North Dakota, except the Dakotans won't bother with a non-binding preference vote. But as with Pennsylvania, the delegate candidates in this state don't pledge to support any presidential candidate as part of their nomination process. These delegates are truly free-wheelers as well, and the state has 28 of them.

    And then there's Guam and American Samoa, each of which has nine delegates. There is no preference poll, and delegates don't have to indicate who they support before the convention, and are therefore unbound.

    So how many unbound RNC delegates are there? We simply don't know right now - it depends on who else drops out of the race and how many "uncommitted" delegates (if any) get elected in states without preference votes.

    With Pennsylvania, North Dakota, Guam, and American Samoa, we've got a total of 100 that are truly unbound. Factoring in Colorado and Wyoming, anywhere from zero to 66 more could be unbound. So let's go with the range 100-166 on the Republican side for unbound delegates. That accounts for between about eight and 13 percent of the 1,237 needed to win the nomination.



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    Yeah (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:53:03 PM EST
    I was listening to Michael Steel and a couple of other people (Howard Dean) discuss this just a little while ago.

    There is what COULD happen and what WILL happen.

    No one in this discussion thought there was the slightest chance that if Donald comes in with 45% they will in a million years give it to someone else even tho they COULD.

    I think they want to avoid, among other things, death.

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    Well (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:35:42 PM EST
    On the first ballot they get to vote for whomever they want.  In theory, if Trump's delegate lead were 110, then yes, they could, if they all did not want Trump,  vote for the next person and give them the nomination, or split their votes, so on the next round all delegates would be unbound.

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    many (none / 0) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:31:04 PM EST
    people are mistaken about the nominating processes, they were not originally designed to be a democratic process and there is no compelling reason morally or otherwise why any party should consider one person one vote at all.

    I am not against letting the people choose the nominees, especially since we have graced ourselves with only two viable parties, but the whole hodgepodge of  caucus/primary, open/closed, pledged/unpledged, drawn out, uneven in time and space , endless debates with constant breathless media horse race coverage.

    Kind of makes you long for the days of the smoke filled rooms.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#80)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:32:55 PM EST
    ... the only difference is now they are smoke free rooms.

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    The super (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 08:37:57 PM EST
    delegates are not to keep people from voting. They are basically to prevent another nomination like George McGovern who actually was a minority candidate and didn't even win the most votes in the primaries. If the will of the people had prevailed that year Hubert Humphrey would have been the nominee.

    As far as the voting goes, voters are choosing Hillary not the super delegates though many have endorsed her.

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    Super Delegates Aside... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:19:34 PM EST
    ...the fact that Sanders has that kind of impact on someone who a year ago was pretty much the expected next president, may not be at Trump level shock, but it's surprising.

    You don't have to like him to understand that guy who has no place running, isn't doing too bad.  Sans the winners, Bernie will have the most delegates of what 20 people.  A person running on, basically, a single issue.  That is some impact.
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    HRC is going to win without super D's, and I am not arguing she shouldn't get them, but for the love of god, could they wait until the voting is done to commit.  It just looks bad for the party, after Iowa a person up by 1 or 2 delegates was actually up by hundreds.  I think they are good idea, especially if they keep the party from nominating a Trump, but at least pretend to be undecided until after the rest of us have cast our votes.

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    Their purpose (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:29:43 PM EST
    In endorsing early is precisely to influence the vote.  What is difficult about that to understand?  The believe believe a Sanders nomination would be disasterous not just for him but for every democrat running.   It makes more sense for them to help her get the elected delegates to win so they do not thwart to will of the people but help shape it.

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    Exactly... (none / 0) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:54:01 PM EST
    ... they are trying to influence the outcome.

    Doesn't matter what you believe, and I while I don't think it would be disastrous, HRC would be better, but the vote is already the advantage, and they are using it doubly so, sort of a before and after.

    It is stuff like this that people are voting against, the party upper-echalon thinking they know what best for the rest of us, both parties included.  After this Trump fiasco, I understand why they are important, but they are using them against someone who is qualified, who has been in politics, and who is not insane.  Not liking him isn't a good enough reason to bend the will of voters.

    I would think the odds of them actually ever being a factor are so low that there is simply no need use them until the end, to keep a Trump like candidate out.

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    A couple of things (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:01:44 PM EST
    I'm pretty sure a fair number of them would say he (Bernie) is not qualified for the job.  That has neither the experience or the temperament for it.

    And I would agree.

    The other thing is you seem to have very strong opinions on super delegates.  Was this your issue in 2008 when they elected Obama or is it a more recent passion?

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:02:50 PM EST
    They don't have to let anybody vote - it's a private party picking their nominee. So, how they choose to make the rules is how the game is played.

    And I don't think it's about "not liking Bernie", I think it's more about "He's not really competent to do the job". I don't mean he's feeble, but he does not have the breadth and depth (or interest) in what a president has to do on any given day.  Sorry - the presidency does not involve just what Bernie wants to talk about, and he WOULD have to work with Wall Street, no matter what he preaches.

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    Congratulations (none / 0) (#95)
    by mm on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 11:38:41 AM EST
    I think you just invented a completely new "Clinton Rule"

    Secretary Clinton should now be the only person in the history of the republic to refuse to seek and accept any endorsements which would tend to "influence the outcome".

    Astounding.  Do you people even understand what you're saying?  Do you hear yourselves?

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    Great question (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 12:13:41 PM EST
    I have asked it mysekf

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    And don't worry, all that Goldman Sachs (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:18:22 PM EST
    money went straight to the little Lebowski Urban Achievers. And proud we are of all of them.

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    We have arrived (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:23:00 PM EST
    At the bottom of the barrel.

    Want to talk about Whitewater now?  

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    You'really the only person (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:46:48 PM EST
    in recent memory who made me want to talk about Whitewater and I can't even remember what it was.

    Don't tell me: a bone meal fertilizer factory in Cambodia owned by Kissinger that Hill and Bill are heavily invested in.

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    White House travel office (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:48:38 PM EST
    Trooper gate (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:06:23 PM EST
    OH! I know!

    Vince Foster!    We could shoot a watermelon!

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    Cutting Xerox machine cords (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:10:24 PM EST
    Ever hear of the Seattle Seven? (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:55:01 PM EST
    That was me, Bernie Sanders, and...5 other guys.

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    So (none / 0) (#94)
    by Nemi on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:25:32 AM EST
    ... giving the matriarch of the new royal family of the Democratic Party ...

    a woman trying/working hard to be elected the very first presidential candidate all of a sudden makes the Democratic Party a matriarchy? Is that all it takes?

    And "royal family", really? As in ... 'entitled'?

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    I'm anxious (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:29:20 PM EST
    to see what happens when it gets down to two candidates to see if say around 40% really is Trump's ceiling or if he's only getting that because it's a three or four-way.

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    For (none / 0) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:56:58 PM EST
    what it's worth, there has been some recent polling that has shown him losing in head to heads against Cruz.

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    Correlation & Causation... (none / 0) (#22)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:33:21 PM EST
    ... not the same thing.  I think you made the same argument about his wealth until it was pointed out he would have done a lot better investing in index funds.

    Plus of course the political genius has tried this, what 4 times and came up short, guess the genius only gets turned on in years that are divisible by 168.

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    No idea what you are even talking about (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:36:39 PM EST
    I recall making no "argument about his wealth"

    How about this, we wait and see, Hummm?

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    If I Cared Enought... (none / 0) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:25:26 PM EST
    ...I would find it, you made it several times.

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    Summarize (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:09:47 PM EST
    Please

    What "argument about his wealth" did I make.  

    But if you looked you might get lucky and find where I called him a "political genius"

    Which I also have no memory of.

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    I am curious though (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:38:30 PM EST
    How would explain his success.   I assume you do admit he has had rather substantial success for such an ignorant person.

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    Marketing yourself to drunken frat boys (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:07:54 PM EST
    rubes, and the people who thought Saddam attacked us on 9/11 is about the level of accomplishment of the televangelists who establish world-wide ministries and get the faithful to pay for their private jets.

    Exept that most of the televangelists didn't start life with 200 million dollars.

    Not that money plays any significant role in American politics or in the ability to promote one's personal agenda. Everyone knows money has nothing to do with it.


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    I really don't believe (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:12:53 PM EST
    People are as clueless as these comments sound but I have a question about money.

    Why isn't Jeb leading?

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    To try to make it sound (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:42:47 PM EST
    as though money in politics were irrelevant is not just clueless, it's completely, utterly, and laughably clueless.

    Or maybe the more accurate term is disingenuous, since it's coming from someone who really knows better.

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    This (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:48:57 PM EST
    is what I know

    Mmmmmk

    You can pi$$ and moan about Goldman Sachs or "money in politics" all you want.    Numbers don't lie.

    Now answer the question.  Look at that graph and tell me why Bush is not winning.

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    Oops (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:52:04 PM EST
    That's an older chart but it makes the point well enough and the bars have not changed that much.

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    The fact that money isn't (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:40:08 PM EST
    always the single overriding factor doesn't mean it isn't a very significant factor.

    You really think Sanders invented this issue? How old are you? Jerry Brown beat it into the ground in 1990 and Nader did in 2000..

    I'm going to make you happy: we all know Hillary would never ever ever show favoritism toward anyone who
    ever paid her large sums of money and anyone who ever suggested or insinuated otherwise should be positively ashamed of themselves.

    There. That takes care of that. Happy?


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    Blissfully (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:42:25 PM EST
    But ok (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:48:40 PM EST
    So it's not the single most important factor BUT it IS a very significant factor AND if Bush has spent 10 times as much as Donald and Bush is back spending time with the family and Donald is on the verge of inevitability, well that must mean something ELSE is going on, right.

    Maybe it means Donald has some political skills.  I think that it!

    What do you think?

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    By your logic (none / 0) (#69)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:51:59 PM EST
    We can then all assume (as you must) that Bernie will play favorites with nurses and issues that affect the kKoch Brothers, right?

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    I have no idea what (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:55:41 PM EST
    You are talking about but I don't want to think about Bernie playing favorites with nurses.

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    Are You Making the Arguement... (none / 0) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:23:52 PM EST
    ...that only intelligent people can be politically successful ?

    I would argue it's the perfect storm, R's already mad about GWB, then Obama, and you have a year in which competition was pretty void of talent, Bush was probably the best they had to offer as far as a resume.  Add in Trump's cult of personality and perceived business prowess... a lot of things made this possible for someone outside the system.  I sometimes wonder how Nugent would have done, better than have the R's candidates I bet.

    The fact is no one can explain him, if they could he wouldn't be the nominee, most likely.  My point was more that he isn't a political genius.  Never said he doesn't know what he is doing, or that he is ignorant, but he not some genius playing rich redneck on the TV.  He is the guy we see, it's not an act IMO.

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    Meant to Write (none / 0) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:25:45 PM EST
    better than half the R candidates

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    No (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:27:14 PM EST
    I am not.

    I am making the "argument" that only politically successful people can be politically successful

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    Are you some how (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:29:22 PM EST
    Under the impression that I think "it's an act"

    Seriously, where do you get this stuff,   I'm the one who's comments are being deleted for Hitler comparisons for f@cks sake.

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    Hmmm... (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:34:07 PM EST
    Donald sounds crazy.  He's not.  Large numbers of primary voters agree with him.  And they love hearing it in black and white.  No grey.   He sounds completely nuts but he knows exactly what he is doing.

    I trying to understand how someone who appears to be crazy/nuts, but isn't crazy/nuts, if he is what we see, then no act, if he isn't then it's an act.

    But thanks for the insight on politically successful people being politically successful.  Is that like only tall people can be tall.

    Your point, which you have repeated, a lot, but not in this particular thread, is that he is a political genius.  I disagree.

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    Damn (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 03:38:55 PM EST
    You got one roomy colon judging from the quantity of stuff you are pulling out if it.

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    Speaking of Colon Material... (none / 0) (#79)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:31:27 PM EST
    ... that seems to be your go to when you don't feel like explaining your own comments.  At least you are consistent.

    How does one sound and act crazy without being crazy, if it is not an act ?

    Same with the Trump's genius, from what I can tell your line of though is "He is winning therefore he is a genius, how else do you explain it."

    I mean if it too much trouble to explain why you think he is a genius with making some idiotic comment about colons, I would like to hear it.  You said it enough surely you got more than 'winning'.

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    I'm not exactly sure (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:43:27 PM EST
    What the question is.    Maybe you could take a couple of deep breaths and rephrase it and I will try to oblige.

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    Exactly How Many Times Should I Ask You ? (none / 0) (#98)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 10:18:42 AM EST
    This will make three in this thread.

    Why do you think Donald Trump is a political genius beyond your usual answer of 'winning'.

    Don't worry captain, it's obvious you don't know why Trump is a genius, because he isn't.

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    Still (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:54:23 PM EST
    Wile I do not recall using the word genius lots of people are.   Perhaps reading this from a site called FORWARDPROGRESSIVES will help-


    Let Me Explain Why Donald Trump is an Absolute Genius

     I'm not going to lie, the more I study Donald Trump the Republican presidential candidate, the more I think he just might be an absolute genius. Now don't get me wrong, I still think he's a vile human being, but as a Republican presidential candidate he might just be brilliant

    LINK

    There are plenty of others saying the same.   Google is your friend.

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    There's no doubt he has skills.. (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 04:59:00 PM EST
    just like Huey Long, Madoff, and Pat Robertson had skills..

    He knows EXACTLY how to the push the exact right buttons of an unfortunately sizable contingent of psychologically vulnerable folks with poorly developed critical thinking skills..

    With that kind of ability, a man can go surprisingly far before the inevitable implosion that comes along with building a grandiose edifice on such a shaky foundation.

    I even think if Donald had the sh*t beat out him by some Teamsters and then was forced to drive a forklift in a Home Depot warehouse for a couple of years, he might turn out to be a fairly harmless, somewhat affable guy..

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    Herein lies the flaw in your logic (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 05:04:43 PM EST

    He knows EXACTLY how to the push the exact right buttons of an unfortunately sizable contingent of psychologically vulnerable folks with poorly developed critical thinking skills

    This is simply not true.   There are lots and lots of Trump supporters who's critical thinking skills are every bit as good as yours.  Maybe even better.

    This arrogant clueless tendency of way to many liberals to assume everyone who disagrees with them is simply stupid is, well, simply stupid.

    It's not true.  And it dangerous.  Having your head your your ass is unfortunately way to convenient a position to pat yourself on the back.

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    Your lots and lots (none / 0) (#85)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 05:14:45 PM EST
    would be absolutely NOWHERE, twistin in the effin wind, without the lots and lots and lots of the aforementioned benighted ones.

    Which is why I place so much emphasis on them.

    Look, if you're thinking seriously about going over to Donald side, all I can say is follow your heart. Climb every mountain, ford every stream, till you find your dream..

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    And here we have (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 05:25:25 PM EST
    The other half of clueless liberalism.

    If you are not willing to simply say everyone who disagrees with us is stupid THEN YOU MUST AGREE WITH THEM

    Please

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    And btw, I've heard almost every word (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 05:27:45 PM EST
    that's come out of the mouth of the head of the Bull Moose Schlong Party in public, and it does tend to make me pat myself on the back and bless my own good fortune.

    There, but for the grace of God, knuckle-walk I.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:49:00 PM EST
    absolutely did not do this by himself. The ground was prepared for him by decades of work by the Republican establishment's constant dog whistling, right wing radio and FNC.

    The base was simply ready for someone like Trump to show up and the Republicans were simply in complete denial until the last few weeks and of course the media was clueless in the face of the ultimate shiny object.

    Trump undoubtedly has proved to be "brilliant" only in the fact that he is able to keep himself as the shiniest object in the political arena.
     

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    Name his advisers (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:56:35 PM EST
    Name his pollster.  Name his speech writer.  Donald didn't create the last 30 years or the environment they created.   I never said he did.  He very smartly took advantage of them.

    I find your comment to be another example of dangerously clueless denial.

    I'm tired of arguing with you guys.  Donald is a dangerous man.  He is a shrewd politician.  IMO you would have to be either an idiot or in complete denial not not see that.

    He might not win the nomination but he has already remade the party in his image.

    Think what you like and let's just see what happens.

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    It's not your tv (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:08:23 PM EST
    He is orange

    Maybe he's trying to win over the Boehner backers (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:28:36 PM EST
    I would say maybe a color (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:44:42 PM EST
    Coordinated ticket but they are not reall the same shade.  Could clash.

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    His hair is caramel-colored (none / 0) (#9)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:26:45 PM EST
    though, as we figured out from a brushing of the Sheltie grandpuppy.  

    The resultant yuge pile of fuzzy furry fluff looked exactly like whatever that is on Drumpf's head.  

    That does not make him Best of Show. . . .

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    It has very strange (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:32:06 PM EST
    Refractory qualities.  What color it is depends on lights I think.

    I commented once before that it's a different color on almost every picture.

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    "Orange is the new Gold" (none / 0) (#41)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:29:25 PM EST
    I'm kinda wondering what the White House will look like gilded. With neon and networked video poker machines.

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    It will be (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:34:17 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:43:42 PM EST
    Donald is definitely going for presidential tonight.   He making Ted seem a little desperate.

    "I'm older - (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:53:46 PM EST
    - and I have more insurance." - Fried Cruz Tomatoes

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    I can't (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:58:09 PM EST
    watch it. I hope it's enjoyable.

    He rationalizes assaults (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:35:21 PM EST
    At his events to screams of support.

    i agree... (none / 0) (#12)
    by linea on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 06:26:28 AM EST
    megyn's hair is totally harsh.

    Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) tweeted at 8:10pm - 10 Mar 16:

    Winner of tonight's debate: Melania Trump's bell sleeves. #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/5cQaKXLNiB (https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/708143032474808320?s=17)

    If there (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 08:48:27 AM EST
    is anybody who looks totally angry and like they can't wait to get the heck out of Dodge it's Melania Trump. Every time I see her there behind Trump she has a look on her face like when is this all going to be over and the sooner the better.

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    Every Single Time (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 12:37:22 PM EST
    All I can think is she is running the numbers and coming to the conclusion 'GD I hope this MF cheats on me soon so I can get the hell out of here.'

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    Everytime I see her (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 01:23:44 PM EST
    I think, "Enjoy these last few years, honey.  Your expiration date is almost here."

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    Donald says (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 09:06:13 AM EST
    He "buried the hatchet" with Ben Carson.

    Pfffft

    Buried the hatchet in Ben Carson? (none / 0) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 11:15:46 AM EST
    That sounds more likely.

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    Let's (none / 0) (#16)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 11:20:24 AM EST
    hope his belt buckle prevented any serious damage.

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    I am really not looking (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 02:11:13 PM EST
    Forward to saying I told you so.

    But I will

    Almost nostalgic for the (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 05:20:03 PM EST
    Republican debates of yore, the comedy gold in caterwauling and d*ck jokes.  Almost, I say, because the new and "elegant" distillate  was still just one step from a circus attraction.

     But, this show is not likely to be a blockbuster. It is like going to see the bearded lady, but she has shaved.  Same character, but lost more than the sartorial attraction--the raison d'etre.

     What was left but an expectation of something else--for this foursome, it left their need for distractions and diversions to fill that gap. Without same, we were had just the gap to savor. And, a pretty scary one at that.

     Trump was the winner, of course.  He wisely said little, allowing his Il Duce pose to carry the night.  When he did speak, it revealed the shallowness of his knowledge--its depth easily plumbed with one of his fingers.

    Trump is against regime change, but not North Korea, Cuba relations seemed like a trick question, so he fell back on getting a good deal, as only he can, and, under Miami pressures, "thought" he might close the US Embassy in Havana.

     But, Trump is in no danger of losing the nomination.  He has the secret weapons of Kasich, Cruz and Rubio.  And, the unswerving support of the those who relish his firehouse of bigotry. He says all the things that they like to hear, restoring the fun of being politically incorrect.  Yes, you can say that word again--Trump will not care, it's OK.  Racists, after all, don't like to be called racists. And, those words aren't racist. they are a kick.

    The "moderate" Kasich showed his industrial-sized hawkishness to deal with the world, only topped by Rubio, who echoed the old-school foreign policy of Elliot Abrams.  Cruz was, essentially, a cipher, adding nothing more to what we know about him based on Trump's miserable assessment. As for that violence reported at Trump's rallies, Kasich was "worried" but he understands because people are worried about their jobs. And, Rubio was concerned too--about violence everywhere in the country. And, the world.  So take that, Trump!

     

    Don't (none / 0) (#89)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 06:44:16 PM EST
    look now but several brawls breaking out at Trump rally, massive amount of protesters inside and out, forces him to cancel speech.

    Yes (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 06:49:20 PM EST
    I just put in the open

    Turn on your tv.

    It's amazing.   Thousands of protesters thousands of supporters in a closed space.  It's getting uglier and uglier.

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    On CNN (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 06:59:29 PM EST
    They are trying to figure out why this location in downtown Chicago was chosen.  There have been calls on radio and social media all day to disrupt it.  Why they are asking would they not just move it to a suburban location?

    I'm going to offer this possibility just to irritate certain commenters,  he knew this would happen and he wanted it to happen.

    Every news channel is saying sure people have a right to protest but Trump should be able to hold a rally.  Meanwhile we get hours of young people of color (many) gleefully disrupting the thing and ripping up Trump signs.

    This will end up benefitting the Donald.

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    Donald was never (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 07:00:47 PM EST
    Actually onsite and I don't think he ever intended to be.

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    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 23, 2016 at 09:21:13 AM EST


    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 23, 2016 at 09:21:27 AM EST