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    I shall re-post this hilarious take (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by smott on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 12:12:13 PM EST
    Jimmy Kimmel "man-splains" to Clinton about her stump speech deficiencies.
    Hillary is really quite a decent straight-woman.

    Enjoy!

    Yeah, she showed just the right amount (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 01:09:23 PM EST
    of comical exasperation.

    Pretty funny bit.

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    Of course the humor (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by smott on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 01:14:52 PM EST
    Comes from the truth of the double standards and hypocrisy Clinton deals with daily.

    It's good she has a thick skin.

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    exactly. Kimmel and his writers did a good (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 01:19:48 PM EST
    job of not just hitting the obvious stuff. Well done!

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    New family member (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:39:17 PM EST
    Raylan

    and yes your suspicions are Justified

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    Before I clicked I thought (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:41:50 PM EST
    you must have gotten another doggie!

    One of my friends keeps sending me flyers about dogs needing homes. I told her to cease and desist. Too soon!

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    In my experience (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:43:23 PM EST
    It has to just happen.   All mine came to me that way.  When it's time they find you.

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    Yep, me too! (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:45:48 PM EST
    How adorable. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:43:11 PM EST
    What a beautiful baby! (none / 0) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:43:49 PM EST
    Is this a new little nephew?

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    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:02:23 PM EST
    He is technically a great great nephew.

    Is that the correct nomenclature?

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    A baby... Awwwwwww...... (none / 0) (#22)
    by desertswine on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:07:08 PM EST
    Congratulations!!

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    Lordy (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:24:21 PM EST
    It ain't mine.  But thanks.  I have a YOUUUUGE family.   The pop up every couple of months.  I just thought the name was funny

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    the name: (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:30:04 PM EST
    hard not to think of Raytown, where Mama's Family took place.

    (I'm not watching much TV now but I definitely watched too much in the past.)

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    Right ok (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:10:00 PM EST
    He is the son of my nieces son?

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    You niece's son is your (none / 0) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:51:52 PM EST
    great nephew. His son is your great great nephew. You had it right.

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    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:58:29 PM EST
    If he is your niece's grandson, the term is "great grand nephew".

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    I like it (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 05:19:20 PM EST
    It's even more ostentatious

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    ... if your niece or nephew or your own children are having kids, then you're getting old. Not that there's anything wrong with that, particularly when you consider the alternative.

    Elder Daughter is in Hilo for three days this week because she's got work to do here. (She's now working as an IT specialist for a major HMO.) She brought our 3-1/2 month-old grandson over with her, so I'm the babysitter while she's in town. Works out fine, because I'm writing two major grants right now and am home anyway.

    He's currently on his belly in his playpen, propping himself up on his elbows and staring at me, and trying really hard to raise himself to his hands and knees. He's not quite there yet, but it'll only be a short time now before he starts crawling and becomes mobile.

    Which, of course, reminds me that we'll have to baby/toddler-proof our house in the next few weeks for his upcoming visits. The next time he'll likely be over here is for for our younger daughter's graduation from UH-Hilo in August, and if he's anything like his mother or aunt -- well, they could scoot around pretty quickly on all fours, and could always be counted on to make a beeline for any exposed electrical cords.

    ;-D

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    And for the record (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 06:44:05 PM EST
    Raylan is my 23rd great grand nephew.  And I have two great grand nieces.

    Helluva Y chromosome line in my family.

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    Btw (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 07:11:03 PM EST
    This is possble because all my siblings were a lot older than me.  My oldest brother was almost 20 years older than me.  I have a niece and nephew that are less that less than 10 years younger than me.

    So I'm not THAT old.

    Just sayin

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    Thank you Donald (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 06:38:47 PM EST
    That had not occurred to me.   But you got it wrong.  My nieces KIDS are having kids.

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    Well, then you must be REALLY old! (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 09:36:04 PM EST
    ;-D

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    If you explain in plain English how Raylan (none / 0) (#34)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:08:16 PM EST
    is related to you, "child of sister's son" or some such, I will gladly tell you the correct terminology for that relationship.

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    Um (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:11:00 PM EST
    And I replied to the wrong comment

    Look up

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    Yep (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:48:51 PM EST
    Adorable! (none / 0) (#15)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:48:18 PM EST
    Fro those who are not Justified fans (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:53:45 PM EST
    I know ruffian is, he is named after the lead character.  More or less.   His pop loves the show.  My fault on that I'm afraid.

    At least I didn't get him hooked on Game of Thrones so he ended up with Tyrion or Jora or Roose.

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    Is ruffian a Justified fan? i (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:57:03 PM EST
     suspect her fandom might be more Timothy Olyphant specific.

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    Possibly (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:59:26 PM EST
    But she loves the show too

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    I got through the first three (none / 0) (#23)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:10:14 PM EST
    seasons, but could not take all the killing. Gave up.

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    hahaha...ya got me! (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:35:22 PM EST
    I like to think I would have liked the show as well with another star, but we'll never know!

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    Genius idea (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:43:11 PM EST
    Remake Justified, in Ireland, starring Aidan Turner.

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    So sweet! and a great name!!! (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:34:07 PM EST
    Here's hoping for a brother named Boyd!

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    He has one named (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:42:08 PM EST
    Gunner

    don't even ask

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    That was pretty good. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 06:20:40 PM EST
    Too bad the person who posted it didn't also disable the comments. The amount of personal invective and vitriol that's being hurled in Hillary Clinton's direction does get tiresome. It's like our entire country has reverted to the 8th grade.

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    Aboad too :( (none / 0) (#82)
    by Nemi on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 07:03:22 AM EST
    Try - or rather don't! - read the comments at The Guardian following any article about Hillary Clinton.

    Right now there's a piece by Jill Abramson: 'This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest' and as always the comments are vile. I only just read a few, but the first - recommended by over 600! - was kind of funny in that it's one and only example of how Hillary Clinton can't be trusted was her misspeaking/ -remembering of fleeing Serbian snipers.

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    Just my two cents (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by ragebot on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:56:39 PM EST
    A well established fact is that a link from the Drudge Report to a site alters both the number and tone of the comments.  As one of the most popular (by number of hits) web sites when Drudge links to something, especially of a political nature, you can bet there will be lots of conservative comments.

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    But (none / 0) (#159)
    by Nemi on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 06:14:19 AM EST
    who does that anyway - I mean link to The Drudge Report? ;)

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    If you want to continue gushing so giddily (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:17:12 AM EST
    about Abramson's Guardian op-ed, don't read the third from final paragraph.

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    "... gushing so giddily"? (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Nemi on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:41:29 AM EST
    What? Seriously!? I didn't even comment on the content of the article at all! So I really don't know how you get the impression that I'm "giddily gushing" over it, let alone would "want"(?) to 'continue' doing so. Certainly not from my comment only focusing on the reaction to the article.

    If you had corrected my typo in the headline instead, at least that would have shown that you actually read my comment before replying. :)

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    Comments Closing... (none / 0) (#127)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:15:39 PM EST
    ... but what is really kind of funny, the Guardian has worldwide readership, and the majority not Americans.  While I can't say for any particular article, comments are generally about 50/50 Americans.  Meaning that HRC issue isn't really the fault of American media.

    While I think she is trustworthy, she does float from issue to issue based on public opinion.  The article mentions this in passing.  Not sure if that is really a bad thing, after-all an election is basically a popularity contest.

    But for me at least, it bothers me that someone who is a moderate democrat needs something like gay marriage to be popular before she gets on board with it.  Same with Obama, policies that should be gimmes for any democrat, they fight until they realize they need those voters.

    It's why I don't like her, never have, some positions should be issues that democrats back regardless of their popularity.

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    Were you on board with gay marriage ... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:51:24 PM EST
    ScottW714: "But for me at least, it bothers me that someone who is a moderate democrat needs something like gay marriage to be popular before she gets on board with it.  Same with Obama, policies that should be gimmes for any democrat, they fight until they realize they need those voters. It's why I don't like her, never have, some positions should be issues that democrats back regardless of their popularity."

    ... 20+ years ago, when Baehr v. Lewin first went before the Hawaii Supreme Court, and that Court ruled that the State of Hawaii had to demonstrate a "compelling public interest" before it could deny a marriage license to a lesbian couple? (This was the case that prompted Congress to pass the "Defense of Marriage Act.")

    If you were, then I commend you for that, but you were most definitely in a very decided minority of public opinion at the time. Hawaii, which is hardly a conservative Republican state, became the very first state to amend its constitution to bar same-sex marriage in 1998, and it was ratified in a public vote by a 70-30% margin.

    I've never understood why the Left insists upon singling out Hillary Clinton and to a lesser extent Barack Obama for criticism, for having changed their respective opinions on the subject, when it's painfully obvious that during the ensuing 23 years since Baehr v. Lewin was first decided, a significant plurality of Americans -- including a large number of liberal Democrats themselves --  did the exact same thing. They evolved.

    You have every right to not like Hillary Clinton for whatever your reasons. But to offer as one of those reasons that she's a craven opportunist for evolving on the subject of marriage equality, while implying that it's okay for the rest of us to have done so without incurring a similar rebuke, well, I find that to be a rather odious double standard.

    Aloha.

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    Nice job on the straw man. (none / 0) (#140)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 02:28:20 PM EST
    20 Years Ago... (none / 0) (#147)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:21:44 PM EST
    ... I certainly didn't care about what people did in their bedroom.  I mean seriously Donald.  I actually wrote a paper in college about it, summer school. It was basically about what I thought and witnessed as an active member in the Navy.  That was early 90's, a year or two after I got out, that was when popular belief was that 'homos' would disrupt the military preparedness.  I didn't buy it.

    I doubt I gave GM any more thought than retiring or how hot hell is, at 25 years old.  I simply didn't care enough about to give it any thought, including regular ole marriage, not on my radar.

    You actually made my point.  People needing the guidance of others in relation to doing the right thing.  Not just guidance, a majority of the guidance.

    I do know this, Clinton was against gay marriage a hell of a more recent than 20 years ago.  Not sure what point you are making other than mine.  And I think I explained why it's a problem with me, leaders on the left needing direction as to what is 'morally' right, based on popularity.  Leaders, you know, should lead, but now all they do is follow.

    For the record, I did mention that I like polls that change stands, I just don't like when they do over things that are not ambiguous, such as open discrimination.  I would like to think no one needs to tell most of us what is right and wrong, although your comment suggests otherwise, I don't think you do, and just don't like me going after your polls rather than you not having a good compass.  I don't believe you think majority should determine how one's own compass should point.

    Some people are fine with Obama and Clinton deciding that it's OK to discriminate unless enough people are against it. I get it, but jesus, do you see how that might be a rather bankrupt stand to take, 'morality' based on what the majority thinks ?  That is how we end up with an entire economy based on 'free' labor of other human beings.  Majority is no way to govern on social issues, especially issues that involve other people's rights.  I also find it very odd that people who spend their whole lives being discriminated against(minorities & women), jump to it so easy when it is not them being discriminated.

    To say Clinton is not an opportunist and to suggest she is evolving on matters is pretty funny considering she always seems to evolve in the direction that gets the most votes.  Except for one issue in particular, you know the one issue that would have ensured Sanders never entered the race.  She may be your choice candidate, but to me she is just another poll, the best of the bunch, but lets be honest, not hard to be the best of the 2016 bunch.  

    But thanks for the history lesson on why it was OK to discriminate back then.

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    ... and even 10 years ago, including people whom I had otherwise generally considered to be reasonable, who did buy into arguments that homosexuals constituted a subversive social element and needed to be put in their place.

    We need to also remember that the 1990s was also occurring at the zenith of AIDS hysteria. At the state legislature, we were fending off bills in the Senate Health and Human Services Committee which would have required the State to identify and quarantine gay men, regardless of whether or not they tested HIV-positive at the time (or "HTLV-positive," as it was known back then). I know it looks entirely silly and over the top in retrospect, but it was very real back then. These guys were serious.

    The simple fact of the matter was that the very concept of gay marriage in the 1990s was considered not only outlandish but completely reprehensible by many people, including an awful lot of Democrats. Bans on gay marriage would never have ultimately become the law in 31 states, were it not a generally popular idea at the time. Suffice to say that a lot of those measures were passed with significant Democratic support.

    Further, many of those measures were not only approved by popular vote, they often passed with decisive and at times overwhelming margins. Proposition 2 in your adopted state of Texas passed with 76% support from voters in 2005. In your former home state of Wisconsin, 60% of voters supported Referendum 1 in 2006. It was only 30 short months ago when a state's voters for the very first time finally rejected such a discriminatory ban on at the ballot box, in Minnesota in November 2012.

    So, I think a little perspective is in order. In the wake of the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, it's become quite fashionable of late in Democratic circles for people to not only say that they support marriage equality, but to further claim that they've always done so. However, the statistical facts from the last 20 years clearly suggest otherwise -- or at the very least, that there existed a distinct apathy toward LGBT civil rights on the part of the majority.

    (I will admit to retaining some ambivalence to the concept of gay marriage myself in the mid-'90s, until I saw what the religious right was ginning up in 1996-98. My own boss publicly opposed their amendment enshrining discrimination in our state constitution. He stood on principle and subsequently lost his seat over the issue, as did 12 other state legislators -- including one House Republican, Eve Glover Anderson, who opposed the ban and was gay-bashed by her Democratic opponent.)

    Therefore, such statistics regarding support for gay-marriage bans would infer that a fair number of Bernie Sanders' supporters who are presently criticizing Mrs. Clinton for admitting to a change of heart on the issue of gay marriage, likely did the same thing themselves only fairly recently. But unlike her, they're not willing to acknowledge it publicly, which would lead me to question who's really engaging in political opportunism here.

    Aloha.

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    Again Donald... (none / 0) (#167)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 02:38:35 PM EST
    ... thanks for the history lesson on why it was OK to discriminate in the 80's and 90's.  I was there.

    But again we are talking about ~8 years ago, that most likely will be, two presidents from the democrat party openly willing to discriminate.

    And as mentioned, that is especially rich since both have, in great detail, discussed their own experiences with others believing they were less people because of the way they were born.

    Look Donald you don't need to convince me that a lot of folks hated and still hate people who are different, but please stop taking up bandwidth rationalizing it.  They were wrong, and had others not pushed and demanded equal treatment, they would still be wrong.  The notion that either would champion unpopular ideas because of what is right, is silly.  

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    You're reading the Guardian's American edition. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 02:21:38 PM EST
    Clinton is considered conservative by European standards.  One British acquaintance considers it quite funny that such a "very conservative, former Republican," has been sneaked into the Democratic Presidential primaries.

    By comparison, the Trump/Cruz race is just a freak show.


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    It'sd Odd That You Sayt That... (none / 0) (#148)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:47:12 PM EST
    ... a friend that visits here maybe 4 times a year, who is an American citizen and can vote, is seriously bonkers over Trump.  I thought he was pulling my leg at first, but nope he loves him some Trump.  He lives in London.


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    About (none / 0) (#169)
    by Nemi on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 04:00:40 PM EST
    The Guardian's reader- and commentership there seems to be quite a few Americans, but actually, as you mention, many nationalities are represented in the debates. Also the comment-threads are one and the same for the same article printed in the UK, US and Australian edition. Which of course helps making the participation more international.

    In an article by American-living-in-England Tim Dowling, with the stupid title, It's clear: the world wants Bernie Sanders, which is not his but the editor's, the writer ponders

    Are Americans who go abroad more liberal, or do they become more liberal as a result?

    He also muses about how

    It's even harder to know what to make of the 75 Americans living abroad who went to the trouble of registering as a Democrat in order to vote "Don't Know"; five were in the UK. It was raining on the day I went. And cold. If you hadn't made up your mind, why would you bother?

    You can ask that again. '-)

    Which brings me back to the comments section where, although many are very pro-Bernie Sanders, there is still a much nicer tone and a whole lot less hateful rhetoric directed at Hillary Clinton, than in other threads I've read. Which is nice for a change at 'The Graun'.

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    The ACLU filed (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:06:42 PM EST
    a suit in US District Court challenging North Carollina's HB 2 signed into law by Governor McCrory.  Under the law, it is illegal for any city or county to create antidiscrimination protections for LGBT people. A response of the Republican legislature to an ordinance passed by the city of Charlotte to protect trans people (the "bathroom bill") the law also encompasses discrimination of gay people, prohibiting any local government from enacting anti-discrimination protections.

    The ACLU suit claims the law is not substantially related to any important government interest.  Not even rationally related to any legitimate government interest.

     HB2, the ACLU states, does not provide equal protection, discriminates on the basis of gender, the right to privacy (it forces trans people to out themselves), Title IX (prohibits educational institutions that receive public funds from discrimination based on gender, and the right to refuse unwanted medical treatment (because to access facilities consistent with their gender identity, trans people must undergo medical procedures against their medical doctor's advice.)  

    Former Trump strategist ... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 03:39:31 PM EST
    says Donald never wanted to be president.

    She now urges Trump supporters to make that dream come true ... by not voting for him.

    She also has a lot of other criticisms of the man.  Worth a read.

    Here's a quote to whet your appetite:

    Imagine Trump wronged you, even in the smallest possible way. He would go to the grave denying he had ever done anything wrong to you -- ever.

    Lots more like that in the article.

    It beginning to look like (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 05:30:29 PM EST
    There may actually be a contested convention.  Unbelievable.  Not only would it be PPV quality entertainment it could be a great civics lesson for the country.  People would learn all sorts of things they did not know.
    For example that the whole primary/caucus thing is a farce.  I would imagine demands would be made to either stop spending the millions states spend on it or make it an actual process that has binding outcomes.

    I still need convincing the Republican Party will commit suicide but if they do I will be watching.

    One of the (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 05:50:56 PM EST
    reporters tweeted that Hillary is going to get rid of caucuses except for maybe Iowa.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 05:57:11 PM EST
    We can't get rid of the stupid gawd awful joke of democracy Iowa Caucus.

    Might as well talk about getting rid of apple pie

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    You know (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 06:10:14 PM EST
    I really wouldn't care that Iowa had a caucus if it wasn't turned into the end all and be all of politics by the press.

    Though it seems to me that Iowa could easily have a primary as well. It's not going to change the money that comes into the state.

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    Another reason you need (none / 0) (#51)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 07:00:14 PM EST
    I would never (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 07:12:02 PM EST
    Ever ever live in a high rise.

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    Haha (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:36:01 PM EST
    do you think the media will ever report this one:

    Clinton supporters are more enthusiastic than Sanders supporters

    MSNBC is reporting (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 10:10:06 PM EST
    that lots of younger first time voters are registering in all the bigger states left to primary...really worried about Hillary and they also said Sanders is really coming on strong with Hillary criticisms....I am praying her supports are coming out to outvote them

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    MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 06:02:45 AM EST
    said Bernie had more people in SC than Hillary and people in SC were more excited about Bernie than Hillary and Bernie lost SC by 50 points.

    There's probably some young people that are registering but the so called "excitement" for Bernie seems to be mostly media manufactured and not reality.

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    Sarandon should pay 90% of her income (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by AX10 on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 11:55:49 PM EST
    if she wants Bernie's massive government takeover.

    Too many in Hollywood are quite hypocritical.
    They are liberal so long as it's not their money on the line.

    A Lesson about 8 on the Supreme Court (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 01:10:28 PM EST
    A toast to public employee labor unions in the Ninth Circuit for their surprise victory in a key case for unions originating in California.  Friedrichs v. California Teacher Association.

     The issue in the Circuit was whether public unions could require & collect "agency fees" (aka fair share fees) from non-union teachers in the bargaining union.  It arose after a few teachers disputed the authority of their union to do so ... and, of course, it must be noted that the fee practice had been approved in an earlier 1977 SCt case in terms of fees for negotiation and representation costs to the union.

    Since the case was first argued before the SCt at the outset of the year--before Justice Scalia died--a 5-4 decision against the union had been predicted.  Given the situation today, tho, the one-sentence per curiam opinion only noted the 4-4 decision, which decision uphold the Ninth Circuit and that finding in favor of the union (public employees.)

    'Loved it. Labor loves it.  The Lesson? Senate Repubs might want to face the reality of the consequences of their decision (to date) not to hold hearings on the President's nomination of Merrick Garland for the SCt. Their big $$$$ business donors who don't fancy unions (aka union-busters) will not like this outcome. Accompanying background music: "Something's gonna give."

    Do you actually think Garland (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:06:07 PM EST
    would have sided with those objecting??

    Of course not.

    So I don't see all the pressure you emote about.

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    That feeling you describe as (none / 0) (#150)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 05:28:51 PM EST
    "emote about" is very much my smiles & so-there chuckles, jim.

    I don't pretend to know what Garland may have decided; I might guess but that would only be a good guess.  The pressure that will grow on the Repub Senators to get off that uncomfortable pot is the result of seeing previously anticipated outcomes turn out so differently as to cause a backlash from the Repub donors & base.  The ACA contraception vis-à-vis religious beliefs case appears to present that same backlash-producing result.  

    The Eight Justices ramifications are not anywhere near nice for Repubs....

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    You know, I don't know either (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 06:28:24 PM EST
    but being a poker player I'd give odds that he would  go with the pro union side.

    As for the Repub Senators they know that before they can win their re-election they must have their base. Garland's anti gun position makes him 100% unacceptable to the base.

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    Garland is symbolic (none / 0) (#151)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 05:31:54 PM EST
    He was never meant to be confirmed.  He was nominated in order to show that the GOP can praise a guy to the rafters until Obama likes him, then he's the Devil.  

    Obama's evil plan seems to have worked perfectly.  Every Republican senator now looks like an idiot for refusing to even consider the guy they loved a couple of years ago.  They are having so much trouble explaining themselves to their constituents that they now hide from the people they will need if they want to get re-elected.  

    Obama could spot McConnell the first three moves and still beat him at tic-tac-toe.  McConnell couldn't connect the dots if there were only two dots.

    Hopefully President Sanders will nominate somebody to the left of Pete Seeger.

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    Fun comment...but (none / 0) (#152)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 05:38:05 PM EST
    Bernie Sanders will never be President and Garland will likely be confirmed, if not this year then next.

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    But otherwise, Merrick Garland's nomination to the High Court will expire with the sunset of the Obama presidency on January 20, 2017. If Scalia's seat remains vacant at that time, Obama's successor will have the right to nominate whomever she so chooses.

    ;-D

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    Absolutely true (none / 0) (#160)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 06:53:14 AM EST
    "and Garland will likely be confirmed, if not this year then next."

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    Here's why the Repubs have blocked him (none / 0) (#154)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 06:31:57 PM EST
    In 2007, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, of which Garland was Chief Judge, accepted the District of Columbia v. Heller case challenging Washington, DC's gun control measures. A four-judge panel not including Garland ruled 3-1 that the measures were incompatible with the Second Amendment, a ruling eventually upheld by the Supreme Court. DC mayor Adrian Fenty then petitioned the court for a hearing en banc, meaning that the entire Court and not just a specific panel would hear the case. Garland voted in favor of the petition, which was defeated 6-4.

    Link

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    Pro labor vote (none / 0) (#155)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:03:45 PM EST
    Merrick Garland's Pro-Labor Rulings Run Deep on D.C. Circuit
    C. Ryan Barber, The National Law Journal
    March 16, 2016  

    In nearly two decades on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Judge Merrick Garland has rarely ruled against the National Labor Relations Board. But when he has overturned NLRB's decisions, departing from his typical deference to federal agencies, he has done so to the benefit of labor unions.

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    Oh sure Jim, if not for that (none / 0) (#164)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 09:13:03 AM EST
    he would have been confirmed the very next day after nomination.

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    Report of gunshots at U.S. Capitol (none / 0) (#6)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:08:18 PM EST
    Building. Employees are being told to shelter in place. No other info available yet.

    CNN reporting both White House and (none / 0) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:12:50 PM EST
    Capitol are on lockdown.

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    CNN now reporting that White House (none / 0) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:16:15 PM EST
    lockdown was caused by someone trying to jump the fence, and that order has now been lifted.

    Capitol building still an active scene. Ambulances are pulling up, but no info on possible injuries.

    Reports are that shots were fired at the Capitol Visitors Center.

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    Politico reporting (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:20:04 PM EST
    A Capitol police officer was shot at the Capitol Visitors' Center, but thankfully, not seriously i jured, and a suspect is in custody.

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    CNN reporting no police were (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:46:29 PM EST
    injured. The gunman was shot and is on the way to the hospital. A woman, a civilian, was hit by shrapnel.

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    Shrapnel? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:13:41 PM EST
    Are you sure you read/heard that word?

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    The term describes pieces of bullets (none / 0) (#38)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 04:22:02 PM EST
    that bounce around or pieces of the environment given kinetic energy by bullets impinging upon those elements of the environment.

    I first noticed that use to describe the Sidney Coffeeshop shootings two years ago.  In the Sidney case, the "shrapnel" was traced to police bullets.

    I believe I'm recalling this accurately.

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    If that wasn't clear enough... (none / 0) (#141)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 02:43:12 PM EST
    It has become popular to label police bullet fragments "shrapnel."  I dug up another case, a New York City incident from 2012.

    However, the hollow-point bullets are more prone to fragment or ricochet when they hit a hard object such as the concrete planters used at the popular tourist attraction as security barriers against terrorist attacks, studies show.

    Six of the nine bystanders wounded on Friday were hit by shrapnel caused when the hollow bullets fragmented as they ricocheted off the planters, and three by bullets, police said.

    I can understand why calling the bits of flying lead "shrapnel" would be preferred by police department spokespeople.

    The alternative is to call it the predictably life endangering result of firing fragmentable, high velocity bullets toward crowds surrounded on all sides (and bullet trajectories,) by impenetrable, unyielding, concrete surfaces.  In other words, an environment in which the bullets are guaranteed to fragment and ricochet.

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    If the bullets hit concrete... (none / 0) (#171)
    by unitron on Thu Mar 31, 2016 at 11:06:55 AM EST
    ...I'd expect it to be just as likely that bystanders were hit by pieces of that concrete as by bullet fragments.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#172)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Mar 31, 2016 at 12:32:00 PM EST
    Origin
    early 19th century: named after General Henry Shrapnel (1761-1842), the British soldier who invented the shell; the sense `fragments of a bomb or shell' originated during World War I.

    Odd not to call it what it is, a bullet ricochet.  Shrapnel is from an explosion.  Why is there this need to make everything grander than it is ?  And that isn't just the media, every clown in town wants to call people terrorists when they are not, or call change, 'revolution'.

    Calling pieces of concrete shrapnel is really pushing the envelope to it's extreme.  What if a piece of bark hit them, 'Shrapnel !'.

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    Reporting from (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:20:33 PM EST
    TCM. WH lifted, Shooter under custody at Capitol.

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    Per CNN, Capitol lockdown now (none / 0) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 02:51:25 PM EST
    lifted.

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    The FBI (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 05:00:35 PM EST
    Got in the San Bernadino shooter's phone.

    They won't be needing Apple's help anymore.

    Sweet justice (none / 0) (#63)
    by coast on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:55:07 PM EST
    And the worst outcome for Apple.

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    Just rediculous. (none / 0) (#65)
    by linea on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 09:18:44 PM EST
    Why would the FBI announce that to the terrorists? I feel this whole thing, from start to finish, was handled stupidly by the FBI.

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    Or very intelligently (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:29:15 AM EST
    We don't really know how long they've been in it do we?

    If I were the FBI, announcing this would be the very last thing I would have done. I would have executed every other action possible before making this known.

    We all argue for transparency though. We have seen where the lack of it leads.

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    Did They Tell the County... (none / 0) (#128)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:22:23 PM EST
    ... to reset the PW as well, which started this whole debacle.  They did, but who knows if that was on purpose.

    The sad thing, the thing we will never know is if a terrorist was dumb enough to actually use his work phone for terrorism contacts, a phone he did not own.

    I doubt they got jack from it, but that will all be classified so we will never know.  But I suspect there isn't anything on the phone and we do know had the FBI not told the country to reset the PW they would have had access long ago.

    They are really stoopid, or really smart which would include public deceit and perjury.  Neither is a win for them from a public relations view point IMO.  

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    I think they got plenty (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 03:38:02 PM EST
    I tend to not believe terrorists are all that smart. Really working things out, that requires real intellect and communication skills. Just about anyone can blow soft target $hit up, even I could and I'm a girl :)

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    Some of the leadership may be smart (none / 0) (#168)
    by FreakyBeaky on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 02:58:50 PM EST
    The meat on the street, not so much. Tradecraft is often lousy.

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    I Find it Hard to Believe... (none / 0) (#170)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 05:04:14 PM EST
    ... one destroys their personal phone and computer, but leaves a bunch of information on a work phone.

    Obviously I don't know, nor do I think most of these guys are very smart, but I don't believe someone who went the through the trouble of destroying evidence would skip a second phone with evidence on it.

    For us you always know that they are paying attention.   We have pretty rock solid privacy policies, but they are worried more about hacking and viruses than what I am doing, but if I click a bad link, a warning page appears stating that is again policy to visit unsafe websites and note about it being logged.

    I never tried porn to see what happens, but from what I hear, too much and you get a firm talking to.  Yeah, go figure, but the point is I never feel private on a work machine.  No idea about phones, but same logic, they can't let nefarious entry, which means some level of monitoring.

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    I agree that (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 02:17:19 PM EST
    telling your enemy what you can do or will do, as in Obama announcing when he would withdraw from Afghanistan, is dumb.

    In this case it also looks and sounds dumb. On the other hand if the radical islamists think that their cell phones are no longer secure that will force them to look for other means and/or slow them down.

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    I know you crazy fundy (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 03:33:56 PM EST
    We would never catch you going through Obama's trash or trying to deny him the basic human right of private correspondence :)

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    No need to (none / 0) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:01:08 PM EST
    be patient and he'll tell you what he is up to.


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    And when you discover he wasn't (none / 0) (#165)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 11:03:52 AM EST
    Telling you everything, he's evil, deceptive, corrupt...whatever Jim

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    The government flat out lied (none / 0) (#112)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:24:39 AM EST
    They went into court and lied.

    They never needed Apple's help, they simply wanted a ruling from the court that would allow them wildly more access to more phones than they ever needed

    It was an Orwellian fishing expedition and they lost. I literally HATE Apple as a company, they are almost bigger traitors to the American people than most branches of the federal government itself. But from the start, it was absurd to believe the government was doing anything but looking to get more than they needed, just so they could have it to use later, and against regular Americans looking to raise righteous hell. Like, say, Edward Snowden, who weeks ago said the government's contention was bullsh*t. A braver young man this country hasn't seen in many decades. And his life is over because of it. He knows it. We know it.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#118)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44:39 AM EST
    I think Apple "lost" here.  Instead of working with the government and possibly retaining some control over what the government sees, now they have no control and the Apple's selling point of how secure their products are is gone.

    Point to the government on this one.

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    I disagree about that (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 11:31:07 AM EST
    Apple is right were they were 6 months ago in terms of their relationship with the government. And I don't think anyone ever believed even Apple products are completely hack-proof, so I don't see that armour dented by the knowledge that at least one entity has been able to do it. I don't even assume that Israeli company is the only one that can do it.

    I tend to agree with Dadler's assessment about the FBI's intentions. I don't them one bit.

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    They Both Lost... (none / 0) (#132)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:38:07 PM EST
    ... now Apple is seen as a traitor to some, the FBI isn't going to let them in on the secret, and the iPhone encryption isn't all that secure.

    The FBI, as I mentioned above is really dumb in that they are the ones who reset the PW that started this mess.  If they aren't dumb, that means they purposely did that to go to court an commit perjury, and for what, to see what was in a work phone, which seems like a long-shot to begin with.

    Are they Keystone cops or calculated perjurers, neither is a plus for the FBI and now that the world knows they can access encrypted iPhones, probably some folks using alternative means of communication.
    -----------------

    In case anyone is curious, this is how they cracked it.  They copy all the data 1000 times, then enter a code 10 times, it locks, but because they have copies, they can run 10 codes on each copy until the correct one is entered.  There are 10,000 possibilities using a 4 digit pin.

    FYI, they said using fingerprint or facial recognition would make this method null and they can't crack your phone without having it in hand.  

    I don't know if this is what they actually did, but that is what they are saying. It does seem rather simple and I find it odd that you can copy all the data, even if it's locked.

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    And then again (none / 0) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 02:19:18 PM EST
    They never needed Apple's help, they simply wanted a ruling from the court that would allow them wildly more access to more phones than they ever needed

    they may need it when the next attack has happened.

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    Susan Sarandan was just on Chris Hayes and (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cashmere on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:01:49 PM EST
    painted Hillary in the most negative light and warped her positions.  She claimed Kissinger is Hillary's "go to guy" on foreign policy, obviously taking out of context what Hillary has said.  Sarandan thinks Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary, and when asked if she would, she said... not sure, I'm waiting to see what happens.  She then went on to say (when pressed by Hayes) that a vote for Trump will bring on the revolution.  She also mentioned that she has been traveling with the campaign.  I'll try to post a link to the interview.    

    Must we have a revolution (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:19:54 PM EST
    For devolution to occur Susan? And everyone but her and me is packing heat. What could go wrong?  She does understand that the green in the Arab spring is mostly covered in red right?

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    She still (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:24:56 PM EST
    hasn't learned anything has she?

    Yes, we must have Cruz as President and suffer miserably for the sake of the REVOLUTION. Irony is that it's not her that is going to be suffering in the name of REVOLUTION.

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    Revolution (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:35:27 PM EST
    just for revolution's sake is nothing but nihilism, which seems to be the driving force behind some of Bernie's supporters and surely many of Trump's are.

    Neither Bernie nor Trump seem willing to tamp that down. Revolutions are extremely dangerous.

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    I wonder (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:38:43 PM EST
    if a shoot out at the RNC in Cleveland might quench the desire for REVOLUTION.

    Bernie is not going to tamp down on it because he's desperate at this point.

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    Sarandon has been a Hillary hater (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Valhalla on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 11:08:26 PM EST
    since at least 2008.  She was a big Nader supporter so Bernie is her dream candidate.  She's been doubling (or tripling) down on the anti-Clinton stuff for a long time.  And she's not winning any prizes (for me, anyway) on her persuasive political rhetoric, as for her, ‪"gender is not what's important. Issues are what's important"‬.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:33:39 PM EST
    Actually

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    Would that be something like (none / 0) (#126)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:13:33 PM EST
    Caring about the vast masses in theory, but avoiding & discounting the suffering of the very real people with faces, names, children right in front of the would-be revolutionary???

    I had a boss like that once: He loved the swelling masses of change that he envisioned on the great horizon; and, all the while, he ignored the individuals before him & the disruption-for-disruption's sake that his pretense about himself engendered.  BTW, this one-time EPA Regional Administrator sermonized about avoiding excessive energy usage in town (even moralizing where employees should live ... the most expensive close-in part of town), and--at the same time--flew daily on his own plane from Aspen to the Denver office.  A number of us learned a lot from this do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do man ... a lot about hypocrisy from this sanctimonious "leader."  The episode ended well when he was urged aside and left within two years--in keeping with his unreal advice to employees that good people never work at one place longer than about two years--an exclamation point in itself to the wrecking-ball operation that the regional office experience during his tenure.

    I've seen that "I must find my people over there so that I can lead them' routine flop more than once.  

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    Guess Saradon's idea (none / 0) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    is that if things get really bad, say with Trump/Cruz as pres/vp, a revolution will be ushered in by the fighting Sanderscorps.  Eight years of Bush/Cheney didn't do it, but maybe, just maybe, if, unlike the Bush/Cheney era, something bad and sad for the country happens, the revolution will occur.  And, maybe, then Bernie Sanders can be installed as..president. Sounds like a really, really good plan. Oh boy.

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    were I to attempt to advise her on how to play a part in a film. I'm certainly not going to listen to her advise me about Democratic Party politics.

    What an incredible waste of time MSNBC has become.

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    Doubt if she was paid (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 09:46:55 PM EST
    She's been campaigning far and wide for Bernie.

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    Never mind (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 09:49:04 PM EST
    Read that as waste of income.  Then I put on my glasses

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    Well, MSNBC has been wasting its income, too. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 03:20:51 AM EST
    Are there any two bigger empty suits on its airwaves than Chuck Todd and Li'l Luke Russert?

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    No (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 07:26:48 AM EST
    This is great {smile}. (none / 0) (#72)
    by linea on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 10:10:26 PM EST
    They just showed a bit of Sarah Silverman's new video on MSNBC about the election. I like Sarah Silverman.

     Video on YouTube

    I'm done with politics for the day. I'm done cooking and Gotham is on, then Bates Motel, and then Better Call Saul.

    Pee Wee Herman is on Gotham. He's great.

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    Not the first time (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    I've heard the revolution thing.

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    Too bad she doesn't listen to The Beatles: (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 09:50:45 PM EST
    "But if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao,
    You ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow."

    LINK.

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    Why? (none / 0) (#64)
    by linea on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:59:14 PM EST
    I dont understand why Chris Hayes would have Susan Sarandon on his political topic show. She's an actress from lomg ago. I love Jennifer Aniston but I wouldnt want her on a political topic show.

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    Ah (none / 0) (#80)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 05:56:39 AM EST
    The Great Waldo Pepper

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    Oh (none / 0) (#73)
    by sallywally on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 10:30:42 PM EST
    Jeez.

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    Sarandon (none / 0) (#74)
    by sallywally on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 10:37:03 PM EST
    Oh Jeez. I can't stand it.

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    She is such (none / 0) (#77)
    by sallywally on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:41:05 AM EST
    a complete dipsh%t.

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    Black museum preparing to honor Cosby's career (none / 0) (#62)
    by McBain on Mon Mar 28, 2016 at 08:50:05 PM EST
    Of course they're being criticized

    According to The New York Times, the National Museum of African American History and Culture, which opens at the National Mall this September, will include nods to Cosby's groundbreaking work on "I Spy" and "The Cosby Show" within a larger exhibit entitled "Taking the Stage." The decision not to include references to Cosby's accusers has been singled out for criticism.

    Unless there's a conviction of something substantial, there's nothing wrong with having some Bill Cosby exibits.  I wasn't a huge fan, but there's no doubt he was a big part of black culture for several decades.

    Bill Cosby was a grounbreaking pioneer ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 03:40:57 AM EST
    ... for black entertainers in Hollywood. That's absolutely beyond dispute and non-debatable. But his professional credentials and accomplishments notwithstanding, the guy's also got some very serious personal issues regarding his alleged behavior toward 57 women in particular. And since a lot of these allegations involve women he first met though work, I think it's a legitimate topic when discussing his career.

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    An aside (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:23:33 AM EST
    Not Cosby related, but related to the museum itself.

    I have a friend Ron who has written 4 books on the Civil War, showcasing portraits (carte de visite) of regular soldiers going off to war. He has reasearched each of these individuals and written a little about each of them - these were not famous people, just regular people.  Here's a plug, if anyone is interested.

    Ron also goes to Civil War memorabilia shows to try and find more of these types of photographs (in between doing his regular day job), so he comes into contact with all kinds of people who collect all kinds of stuff. He met a man who had the diary of a former slave turned Union soldier and wanted Ron to transcribe it (not sure why he couldn't do it himself). Anyway, Ron asked me to help him, so for a few hours on a Sunday, Ron read the diary and I typed in his words verbatim.  

    This diary is being donated to the National African American Museum,  and if/when it is put on display, I will get a credit on the placard in the museum, alongside my friend's name.

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    That's awesome. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:47:47 PM EST
    These things are important for posterity. Thank you for your contribution.

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    Sanders has laid a great trap (none / 0) (#84)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 07:39:41 AM EST
    For Clinton with the request for NY debate.
    And her spokesman stepped in it, saying he has to change his negative tone first.
    Now they look scared of his blip of momentum, and like they're playing the victim card.

    Really well done by the Sanders people.

    I sensed he realized negative was working after Michigan.


    I see it (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:37:45 AM EST
    completely differently, I see it more of an act of desperation on the Sander's camp, they realize that this blip, that was foreseen and taken in stride by  the Clinton camp, is nowhere near enough to give him a surge in NY and the other states that follow.

    I think, Hillary's camp is playing it right, using his "demands" to point out how negative his campaign is becoming. Bernie has long promised that his campaign would be all about "ideas" but the negativity  has been steadily creeping in.

    I think it's Bernie that walked into Hillary's trap, he will have either abandon his, unfortunately effective, "Hillary as a monster" attacks or risk some of his "purity" veneer being peeled away.

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    Good points (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:43:26 AM EST
    Also I think it may be a bit of shot over the bow because of rumors that he was planning to start talking up e-ghazi.

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    Oh it's totally desperation (none / 0) (#94)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:57:51 AM EST
    But gotta give credit, it's a brilliant way to maneuver.

    The worst thing Clinton could have done was whine about tone, that immediately spawned a new hashtag for the Bros. And Susan Sarandon.

     And she's successfully avoided the Victim tag thus far but she'll get one now if she isn't careful.

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    Yes Tad Devine (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:03:01 AM EST
    And whoever else may be a-holes but the know what they are doing.   I've said before anyone who think a grouchy thoroughly unpleasant octogenarian white man with zero actual qualifications to be president got here by himself is misguided.

    We may hat Donald, he not stupid.

    We may hat Tad Devine, he's not stupid.  Or asleep at the wheel

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    I really think (none / 0) (#96)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:03:07 AM EST
    There is never anything to be gained by pointing out your opponent's attacks on you, much less complaining.   Let the press do it (though they won't where Clinton is concerned until perhaps half a decade later ).

    Just take the high road and shrug it off, which she has mostly done for about 40 years.

    Yes, it's unfair. The Press will have their horse race, just as they are now belatedly recognizing the monster they created w Trump.  And they will realize far too late how much they need Clinton.

    They will pump Bernie's tires as much as they can.

    And we will have to hope that Clinton can navigate well enough not to be too damaged for the general.

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    I still (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:52:23 AM EST
    don't see the victimhood here. Implying or outright accusing your opponent of going negative is a time honored, rather standard political tactic, somewhat effective if there is at least grain of truth involved. It's actually an offensive rather then defensive maneuver if done correctly.

    IMO this is a mild form of CDS, where everybody starts rending their garments over a rather standard and rather "small ball" political gambit.

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    I really think (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:07:42 AM EST
    It was stragegerie around the resurgence of e-ghazi with the FBI interviews and Sanders openly suggesting perhaps it's something the implications of which should be "explored before its to late"

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    Yeah Sanders is flailing (none / 0) (#105)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:20:03 AM EST
    For anything, and if he stoops to Benghazi then f-ck him and the horse he rode in on.  And all his supporters too, for taking yet another page out of the GOP playbook.

    But it looks like he's going to go as low as he needs to in order to damage Clinton. A real shame.

    I was glad to see Give Zero F-cks Obama appear again last night and lay the wood to the press re their slobbering over Trump. I'm not usually a fan, but good for him.


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    His numbers are going up because (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    1.) he is looking better and better comparatively speaking
    2.) he is being handed more material than he could ever use.

    The thing yesterday was good,  unusually good and I have become a fan.   Not really being a fan at first.

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:45:59 AM EST
    Well if he goes there she can unload his baggage which pretty much no one has touched and bringing it up would make him a toxic waste dump

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    to what end? (none / 0) (#110)
    by CST on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:03:46 AM EST
    Bernie is losing.  One of the benefits of losing is having nothing to lose.  Especially if you are senator of Vermont with probably no where else to go from there (iow, this isn't Hillary in '08).  You can afford to go scorched earth.

    Hillary is trying to win a general election.  It might feel good, but she's not going to help herself by unloading on Bernie, especially since the primary is mathematically more or less in the bag.

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    One concern: Even with the justified (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:46:30 PM EST
    desire to get on with the General Election phase on the part of HRC and her campaign team, this primary battle still needs to be brought to conclusion.  We know the mathematical odds... and, the math looks good (great, even) for Hillary.  And, we also know how focused, disciplined she is.  With that--and, largely, because of the growing desperation on the part of Sanders & Co.--the completing the primary with the maximum number of delegates is not done until it is done.

    The temptation is to take the 20+ current leads in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, & Maryland--together with the large delegate trove--for granted.  My thinking self is in conflict with my emotional self, and will remain so until the end of April/thereabouts.  Because I've witnessed far too many campaigns & sports contests & such go a bit off the mark because the contestants focused too much on the big game/challenge ahead rather than the one at hand, my caution overtakes me. Thanks for indulging me.

     What I hope: New York & Pennsylvania (together with the surrounding markets that they reach) are extremely important for good & extensive advertising.  This is where the campaign needs to go big ... or risk again being outspent by two or three to one ... a risk that, if other examples hold, could diminish the percentage totals.  Sequestering $$$$$ for the future may often be wise in terms of budgeting; but, a big part of it all will be the late April contests.

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    Its (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:29:27 PM EST
    Just frustrating the double standard that us constantly being applied

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    Where did you see (none / 0) (#111)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:18:05 AM EST
    Sanders attack on emails or Benghazi? was that recent?

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    He was tap dancing around it on one of the (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:33:26 AM EST
    Sunday shows (I think) he was on several.   But I also read it.  I'll see if I can remember where.

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    The show appearances (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:37:19 AM EST
    We're sobering.  Watch them if you have time.  He said some pretty stunning things.  Like flat out refusing to say he would ever endorse Hillary.   As in "so you are not putting conditions on it you will support her if she is the nominee"
    "No, I am absolutely not saying that at ooo-all"

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    Ok send any links you can dig up (none / 0) (#117)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:42:54 AM EST
    Thanks.
    I'd seen Huffpo lose their sh-t on emails and Clinton should concede to Sanders, but not seen any attacks from Sanders himself.....

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    Oh (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:49:31 AM EST
    The show links are easy

    STAYE OF THE UNION
    FIX NEWS SUNDAY
    MEET THE PRESS
    FACE THE NATION
    THIS WEEK (abc)

    I honestly don't remember which he was on but that should be easy to see at the links.  I don't THINK he was on all of them but he was on at least 3 maybe 4

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    Would help (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:53:26 AM EST
    But I gotta cut the grass.  It's a jingle.

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    Oooor (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:53:55 AM EST
    A jungle

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    Are you (none / 0) (#101)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:11:39 AM EST
    crazy? Let the press do it? What planet do you live on?

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    Well I may be crazy but (none / 0) (#102)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:15:58 AM EST
    I live on the same planet you do.
    Which is one where whining in a presidential election season about unfair attacks on you by your meanie opponent do not work, and only serve to make you look like a Whiner. Because that's what you're doing.

    Do you really think adopting a sanctimonious attitude about Sanders' "tone" and taking your ball and going home til he starts behaving better, in any way makes Clinton look good?

    I don't.

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    The shorter version of the coverage (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:20:01 AM EST
    Yesterday was " Hillary is whining that Bernie is to negative!  Has she noticed what happening on the republican side?!?"

    As if this was a goal.

    HA funny.  I'm listening to Morning Joe in the BG and while I was typing that I heard it again.  Almost word for word.

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    I really hope she blows off the debate (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:15:02 AM EST
    All the rest of them.   Doing it will only give Sanders and his peanut gallery a win and the have been given to many wins.  Refusing to debate will not IMO effect a single vote.  Ok maybe one.  But it would give Hillarys supporters who have begun to feel as much a punching bag as she herself probably does, a win.

    We need a win.   We really really need a psychological win like seeing her tell that grouchy old f@ck to blow it out his wrinkled butt.

    Everyine in the country has seen the three topics that would be discussed discussed ad nauseum.  None of us ever need to hear "SECOND OF OOO-ALL" ever ever again.  Nothing would learned except that whiny baby Bernie seems to always get his way because GOD forbid anyone should do anything to in any way distress or dismay his delicate and overly sensitive followers.

    BOLLOCKS

    Don't debate Hillary.   Don't do it.

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    I dunno (none / 0) (#87)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:29:56 AM EST
    I think she needs to be careful of playing the victim.

    Her spokesman talking about Sanders' tone was an idiot, makes them sound like the whiners when it's mostly been Bros.

    "We're happy to debate on the agreed upon schedule. We don't feel the need to impose a new debate on Sanders' schedule every time we get a win in the primaries. That would be a lot of debates."

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    I agree the tone was dumb. (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:33:39 AM EST
    Change it.

    We are not going to debate because there have been enough debates and we don't want to.   Have fun spending your millions of dollars.

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    I don't (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:06:10 AM EST
    think it was dumb at all, what I am hearing is "yes we will debate the issues, but nobody wants to hear you ranting about millionaires and billionaires and pointing  fingers at Hillary (and by extensions most of the Democratic party) calling her two bit Wall Street ho".

    I see no victimhood here, just a demand that the campaign goes back to being about issues.

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    Yes but (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:09:02 AM EST
    I agree with smott.

    Victimhood is not a good look for anyone.   But especially Hillary.

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    Me neither (none / 0) (#162)
    by Nemi on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 07:32:30 AM EST
    And to be honest I was more bothered by the 'Interrogator' - and, ehm, her 'tone'. ;)

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    Also (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:41:21 AM EST
    This is just me, that is chronically overly confrontational me, I think it would be a great way to just say f@ck off.

    It diesnt involve saying or doing anything that could be considered negative.  Just, no.

    No, I don't think so.  There have been enough debates.  I have campaigning to do.  And maybe some fundraising FOR OTHER DEMOCRATS.

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    You and I (none / 0) (#92)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:54:58 AM EST
    Should work on Clinton's campaign!!

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    I'm free baby (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 08:56:47 AM EST
    Imo (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:04:12 AM EST
    It was sit down and shut up bernie. I'm sick of your bs

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#133)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:41:40 PM EST
    Take a few words from the late Nancy Reagan, just say no.   Don't drag it out, or give indications of perhaps, or maybe if certain conditions are satisfied.  If pressed, the debates have been settled and can't be accommodated by the schedule.

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    So This Crazyness Just Happenened (none / 0) (#107)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 09:29:38 AM EST
    I always watch the local news from when I get up, around 6:30 to 7:00 when I start getting ready as the Today Show comes on at 7.

    Local news last report is that the hijacked plane commotion was done, at 6:55, they even show the video of the hijacker crawling out the window.  People are safe.

    The Today Show opens with hijacker story, they are talking to experts about what is going to happen, including the FBI with analysis.  Got someone in Europe adding their two cents.  This goes on for 10 mins, and I was like WTF, local news says this is done.

    So I grab my phone and go to the AP News app, situation done, hijacker arrested, all hostages released.  This is at 7:10.

    Today runs through their other news, then at 7:30 they go back to the European correspondent, nothing changed, then all of a sudden they cut away to the breaking news of the video of the hijacker crawling out the window, the same footage that the local news put on 35 mins earlier.  They make no mention of that it was the hijacker or that people are safe.

    More news, then finally at 7:55 they finally say the situation is under control, the hostages are safe, and the guy crawling out the plane window was the hijacker.  A full hour later than when the local news put this out.

    I am still trying to wrap my head around the Today Show milking a story because, and I am assuming here, that they had experts and basically a story board laid out and didn't want to change the draw of a hijacker taking over a plane and trying to escape through the cockpit window.

    Seriously, WTF just happened ?

    Oh Boy (none / 0) (#119)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:46:16 AM EST
    Trump campaign manager arrested for misdemeanor battery on a female reporter

    Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump's campaign manager, has been arrested in Florida for misdemeanor battery on a Breitbart reporter:


    Gotta love it (none / 0) (#123)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 10:55:57 AM EST
    Max a year in jail.

    My God the world is laughing at us. In horror.

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    Do you thinknit should be more? (none / 0) (#125)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:02:01 PM EST
    It's a misdemeanor, so it can't go above a year, so that's always the max.

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    Nope said nothing of the sort (none / 0) (#130)
    by smott on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 12:35:26 PM EST
    The law is what it is.
    And a year is the max.
    He may get nothing.

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    To those who like Trimp (none / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 29, 2016 at 04:08:18 PM EST
    it doesn't matter.

    To those who are on the fence...some will see it as a political prosecution.

    Most people won't care.

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    I've never liked trimp, (none / 0) (#161)
    by fishcamp on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 07:14:53 AM EST
    but it does taste just like shrimp...(-:

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    More like Blowfish (none / 0) (#163)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 09:05:00 AM EST
    lol (none / 0) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Mar 30, 2016 at 11:41:11 AM EST