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Lunch break between court and the jail is over. I'm not sure when I'll get back online, so here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    If you happen to have... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:01:22 PM EST
    2hrs and 40mins, and who doesn't, especially at work, here's a graphic of the Titanic sinking in real time.

    I see that as a metaphor ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:33:17 PM EST
    ... for the Republican Party in 2016.

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    Only 12 minutes (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 01:09:17 PM EST
    Something to look forward to (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:44:25 PM EST
    Saturday night: me, Steve Martin, and Martin Short in the same room. Sure, it is a theater and they are on stage and I will be barred from joining them...but seeing Steve Martin in the flesh is one one my last remaining high school fantasies.  That is a long time. I will have giggles from minute one - he does that to me.

    In that case this is for you. (none / 0) (#12)
    by vml68 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:49:55 PM EST
    I never get tired of watching it.
    LINK

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    Classic! (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:00:12 PM EST
    Heres some more old stuff. Love.

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    ruffian, did you see that Milt Pappas (none / 0) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:51:30 PM EST
    died? He was 76.

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    And, of course, GO, CUBS!!!! (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:52:59 PM EST
    Aw, no, I did not see that. I had his baseball crd (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:54:32 PM EST
    I think I might have seen him pitch at Wrigley too when my dad used tot are us to a couple of games every summer. Hate to lose any old Cubbies this year especially  - hang in there guys - this is the year.

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    I remember Milt Pappas' 1972 no-hitter. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 10:25:59 PM EST
    I also remember how strange it was that Pappas' first wife Carole disappeared in Wheaton, IL back in September 1982, after earlier telling her husband and daughter that she was going shopping. Because Pappas was a popular figure as a former Chicago Cub, the news of his wife's disappearance was a really big story in both Chicago and the baseball world at the time.

    Milt and Carole were childhood sweethearts. And as the police investigation opened, Milt and the children publicly disclosed her longstanding problems with alcohol abuse, and they put out public appeals for her to please return home, given the possibility that she might have gone on a bender. But there was still absolutely no trace of either her or her 1980 Buick Regal, anywhere. Eventually, the search was suspended, and her case became part of the Wheaton police department's missing persons files.

    Then almost five years later in August 1987, while I was in Wheaton visiting my paternal grandparents, a large retaining pond next to Wheaton Fire Station No. 2 was being drained for maintenance purposes, and Carole's body was found submerged inside her car, along with her purse, her wallet and the bag of groceries she had bought that same day she had disappeared. Its location was about four blocks east of where she and her husband had lived.

    (I know this area fairly well and the pond in question is rather big, just one of many in the region. When local developers first conceived of Wheaton and the surrounding area as suburban communities in the late 1960s, much of it had been wetlands and bogs. So most of these ponds are man-made, and are used for local drainage and flood control.)

    Carole's death was officially ruled accidental. However, this 12-ft. deep pond was not on the direct route back to the Pappas home from Stratford Square shopping mall, where she had earlier been seen the day she had disappeared. Further, given the spot in the pond where the vehicle was found submerged, accident scene investigators determined that she was likely traveling at a fairly high rate of speed in order to have launched herself 25-30 feet through the air and landed smack dab in the middle of the water, where she and her car quickly sank.

    Yet even though this was a busy suburban community, how strange that nobody in the immediate vicinity had seen Carole at all, driving what must have been like a bat out of hell, nor did anyone hear her speeding car as it roared by in an apparent bee line toward that pond. And none of the firemen who were in the station right next door to the pond heard the resultant loud splash as she hit the water.

    There was no reason to suspect anyone of Carole's murder, because the autopsy confirmed the cause of death as drowning and her body otherwise showed no sign of violence or trauma. But during the initial 1982 investigation into her disappearance, the grocery clerk at the store where Carole had gone shopping told police that she appeared disoriented to him on the morning of her disappearance, and had also smelled of alcohol. Her hairdresser and a clerk at the mall's Marshall Fields store also said the same thing to the authorities. So the logical questions beg.

    Had Carole Pappas -- who was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous -- fallen off the wagon once again, as she had done several times before? And if inebriated, did she somehow mistake the short cul-de-sac next to the pond for her own street, and perhaps gotten her foot entangled with the Buick's accelerator in a panic when she belatedly realized her error?

    Also, Milt Pappas told police at the time of his wife's disappearance that she had recently become depressed in the immediate aftermath of their son's marriage a couple of weeks earlier. But was she really so down on life, to the point that she impetuously put pedal to the metal, drove into that retaining pond on purpose, and perhaps committed suicide?

    Carole Pappas, who was only 42 at the time of her death, took the answers to all those questions with her to her watery grave. It was a very odd case, and just a huge tragedy for the entire Pappas family.

    Aloha.

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    For Christine... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by vml68 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:49:43 PM EST
    FL:-(!

    Actually, it has not been too bad.
    The first few months were tough. Just getting used to simple things like having to drive everywhere as opposed to taking the subway or the PATH or walking!

    Not seeing the Statue of Liberty everyday when walking my dogs, not hearing the fog horns of the Staten Island ferry and other river traffic on the Hudson on misty/foggy mornings/nights.
    The museums. Can't say the theatre because with husbands work/travel schedule, planning to see a show was a waste of time.

    Not being able to go to all kinds of ethnic stores and restaurants (my preference over the more sophisticated city offerings). And something probably dear to your heart, not being able to buy all kinds of homemade polish sausages from stores where I stuck out like a sore thumb because I was one of the few customers that did not speak the language. I loved walking into some of those places and suddenly feeling you have been transported to another country.

    Just wandering aimlessly around the city and people watching!

    Did I just say it hasn't been too bad?! I think I just depressed myself :-)

    Thank you for the evocative description (none / 0) (#32)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 06:57:09 PM EST
    I saw (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:30:56 PM EST
    where Bernie took in 46 million last month and spent 46 million.

    Wow. (none / 0) (#39)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:53:33 PM EST
     Looks like Sanders is  living paycheck to paycheck.

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    1.7 million donations of $27. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 11:28:28 PM EST
    Must be tru:  twitter.

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    Getting by on small donations (none / 0) (#43)
    by ExPatObserver on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 07:27:26 AM EST
    like a holy man or monk. No wonder the Pope met with him.

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    Some time in the 80s (70s?) (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 12:42:06 PM EST
    I was at some club in NY I can't even remember the name of for no particular reason and the "entertainment" came out.

    It was a hot skinny kid who performed in a raincoat and a speedo.

    Blew the roof off.  That's the first time I heard the name Prince.

    I've been trying hard to remember (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 08:14:50 PM EST
    Exactly when and where thus was.  Looking at wiki regarding when he put his first band together I think it was probably 76-78.  Probably the early side if that.   I remember that it was around the holidays and it was some kind of holiday party.  It remember it was a big place and not one I would normally be found it.  Roseland?

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    Most likely it was... (none / 0) (#62)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Apr 22, 2016 at 02:25:21 PM EST
    February of '80 at the Bottom Line.  Did 4 shows over 2 days there.  His first locals shows with his band were in January of '79, so I doubt it was any earlier.

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    Attention all TL pirates (none / 0) (#1)
    by Nemi on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 02:12:20 PM EST
    World' first pastafarian wedding.

    Cute couple and what a georgeous looking ministeroni. :)

    Sorry to learn (none / 0) (#5)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:55:41 PM EST
    FSMism is not really a religion.  At least according to US District Judge John Gerrard who ruled:

    "The Court finds that FSMism is not a 'religion' within the meaning of the relevant federal statutes and constitutional jurisprudence. It is, rather, a parody, intended to advance an argument about science, the evolution of life, and the place of religion in public education."

    A brief summary of the facts is a prisoner wanted to wear a pirate costume as a result of his religion and the judge said no dice.

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    It's been recognized (none / 0) (#30)
    by Nemi on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 06:10:47 PM EST
    as an official religion in The Netherlands, which kind of figures. All in all the Dutch seem quite progressive. :)

    I'm more surprised that FSM has been given permission to register as a religion in Poland. Don't know if they have though. Applied to be registered that is.

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    Outrage over SNL heroin sketch (none / 0) (#4)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:46:09 PM EST
    I thought it was funny but some people are demanding an apology.  Edgy comedy is always going to rub some people the wrong way.  SNL didn't do anything wrong here.

    Bizarre rape case in Ohio (none / 0) (#6)
    by McBain on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:56:46 PM EST
    Link
    An 18-year-old Ohio woman accused of livestreaming the rape of her 17-year-old friend with a social media app was trying to record the assault as evidence, the woman's attorney said recently in a defense a prosecutor flatly dismissed.

    Could be true for all I know but it looks more like something from the world of Eastern European sex traffickers/exploiters.

    Freeway Rick (none / 0) (#7)
    by KD on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:57:51 PM EST
    He's not even the real Rick Ross. He took the name of the most famous drug dealer in L.A.

    the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:16:43 AM EST
    was deleted as race-baiting

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    Race baiting??? (none / 0) (#21)
    by NycNate on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:18:26 AM EST
    How is commenting on something that happened race baiting?  I'm genuinely curious. I'm not a racist or a race baiter. Heck, I am black. I could see it being racist if it didn't happen. But it did.

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    But you deleted my Rick Roll, too. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 06:59:00 AM EST
    (Sniff! Sob!) Poor Rick Astley, he gets no respect, no respect at all -- not that he actually deserves any, of course. I just like to think of him as an appropriate musical metaphor for the shallow and vapid superficiality which underscored the entire Reagan era in this country.
    ;-D

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    Supreme Court dings NV for animus toward CA. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:24:21 PM EST
    By a healthy 6-2 margin, the U.S. Supreme Court overruled an earlier Nevada Supreme Court decision upholding a large multi-million dollar judgment obtained by a state resident -- and former California resident -- in a civil case filed in Nevada against against the Franchise Tax Board of California, even though Nevada law caps such awards against its own state agencies at $50,000.

    Writing for the majority, Justice Stephen Breyer noted that the Nevada high court's "explanation, which amounts to little more than a conclusory statement disparaging California's own legislative, judicial, and administrative controls, cannot justify the application of a special and discriminatory rule" against a sovereign California state agency in blatant disregard of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. Constitution:

    "Rather, viewed through a full faith and credit lens, a State that disregards its own ordinary legal principles on this ground is hostile to another State. A constitutional rule that would permit this kind of discriminatory hostility is likely to cause chaotic interference by some States into the internal, legislative affairs of others. Imagine, for example, that many or all States enacted such discriminatory, special laws, and justified them on the sole basis that (in their view) a sister State's law provided inadequate protection to their citizens. Would each affected sister State have to change its own laws? Entirely? Piece-by-piece, in order to respond to the new special laws enacted by every other State? It is difficult to reconcile such a system of special and discriminatory rules with the Constitution's vision of 50 individual and equally dignified States."
    (Emphasis is Justice Breyer's and not my own.)

    Worth a read.

    I need tech help (none / 0) (#17)
    by ding7777 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:10:02 PM EST
    I cannot get the [new] comments to display in the first posted thread.
    And its only the first posted thread that has the problem (i.e, when that thread is no longer first, the [new] comments display).

     I've tried differnt browsers but the problem remains.

    I'm running Windows 10 on a laptop.

    Comments (none / 0) (#20)
    by jmacWA on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 06:43:12 AM EST
    This has been an ongoing issue for me for several years on TalkLeft.  It's only the first post on the page, and once I open them once, the new flag shows each time after, even if it is still the first post on the page.

    I've gotten used to it, and it's probably not worth the effort to fix.

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    I just saw this and (none / 0) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 22, 2016 at 07:24:49 PM EST
    mentioned it to our webmaster today (he had called to let me know the site would be down for a few hours this afternoon as the hosting company was moving servers to a new location.) He said the database probably needs to be "refreshed" and he will do it. It's working for me now using Firefox and Chrome, although the whole site looks a bit weird in Chrome -- he thinks he's figured out how to import this site into wordpress, so maybe this year we'll finally move the site here.

    I agree that the "[new]comments" feature is really important. He said today he might be able to create a plug in for it at the wordpress site.

    Thanks for letting me know about this.

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    Let me know (none / 0) (#64)
    by jmacWA on Sat Apr 23, 2016 at 06:46:10 AM EST
    If your developer wants info on the issue (as I see it) I would have no problem discussing with him/her.  The issue really had me perplexed when I first noted it, but I have gotten used to it.  I am a Chrome user.


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    Interesting (none / 0) (#18)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:50:07 PM EST
    Seems there may be a fight brewing about US funding for some parts of the UN climate agencies.

    The article does not make it clear just how far this will go but I doubt it will just go away.

    Hamilton is staying on the $10 (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:45:46 PM EST
    And apparently Tubman will be replacing Jackson on the $20.  Personally - I think this is a good turn of events, Hamilton was Mr. Treasury so being on a bill - makes sense.  

    Jackson on the other hand was a real piece of work, and his legacy is genocide.  Time to dump him.  Plus, the $20 is way more common than the $10 (ATMS).

    On the other hand, I have to say, the decision to put a bunch of women on the back of the $10 just seems remarkably tone-deaf.  I get it, they didn't want to wait for the $20 to "honor" a woman on money.  But seriously?  That's what they came up with?

    Tubman won't be on the 20 till 2030! (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:16:08 PM EST
    What's the hold up?  I'll be gone by then.

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    Some info (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:38:29 PM EST
    Here;

    "The soonest that a new $20 note will be issued is 2030," the source said, citing a lengthy process convened by the Advanced Counterfeit Deterrence steering committee, which includes representatives from the U.S. Secret Service, the Treasury, and the Federal Reserve.

    That process isn't likely to be sped up by the Federal Reserve, which issues the currency, given the work that goes into designing secure technology to thwart counterfeiters.

    "The blue security ribbon on the $100 note took over 15 years to develop," the source said. "This level of technology is why our counterfeiting remains at less than .01% of currency in circulation. We should not expedite the issuance of any currency for political purposes."

    Future Treasury Secretaries -- of which there will be several -- could reverse or alter the decision regarding the $20, making Lew's announcement far less of a clear-cut victory for the movement pushing to place a woman on American currency.



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    Counterfiting is big business in (none / 0) (#29)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 04:29:09 PM EST
    I like this choice a lot (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:06:18 PM EST
    And I'm fine with different pictures on the back of the bills. We can just put them in our wallets backwards!

    But will anyone still be using cash in 2030? Hope I live to find out!

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    I will be... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:38:45 AM EST
    as long as I'm alive and currency is printed...plastic is whack!

    I'm very relieved about the redesigns in general, taking it as a sign we are safe from total servitude to our banking overlords for at least a little while longer.

    And we'll get to see the Tubman Dub by 2020, it will just take 10-15 years after that before they're in widespread circulation and hit our billfolds.

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    Lovin' the choice... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:39:01 PM EST
    and the slang possibilities are cool too.

    Instead of a twenty bag being a "dub", it can be a "dub" or a "Tub".

    Speaking of which...Happy 4/20 everybody!  Perfect timing of the sacramental holiday this year, take the edge off the primary results;)

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    But Jackson balanced the budget! (none / 0) (#36)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 08:13:22 PM EST
    This, according to a dazed and confused ex-surgeon and former Presidential candidate, is reason to keep him on the 20 dollar bill.

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    Cokie Roberts also (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:09:37 PM EST
    objects to Hamilton the the front and women on the back of that bill. See NYT editorial. And many comments.  

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    Ben Carson: there are othger ways to (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 11:30:26 PM EST
    honor Harriet Tubman. Clarence Thomas has not yet commented

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    I miss the Colbert Report and the (none / 0) (#25)
    by vml68 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:31:46 PM EST
    Daily Show with Jon Stewart. I was really hoping Samantha Bee or John Oliver would take over from Jon, so I was glad when they got their own shows.

    This clip is on Bernie Sanders voters is great.

    Feel the kuch!

    some great news (none / 0) (#28)
    by CST on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:53:51 PM EST
    out of Arizona.

    "The Supreme Court on Wednesday unanimously upheld an Arizona state legislative map drawn by an independent redistricting commission, rejecting a challenge from Republicans who said the map was too favorable to Democrats."

    Where's Howdy? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 06:42:29 PM EST
    I need an update on TV 'cause I don't know what to watch.

    Better Call Saul! (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:08:17 PM EST
    Have you seen it yet. Also 'The Americans'

    But I miss Howdy, hope he is ok!

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    Should (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:17:44 PM EST
    have known to call you out. You're ALMOST as good as Howdy :).

    Thanks for the suggestions!

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    Where is Howdy? (none / 0) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 08:41:51 AM EST
    I don't (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 08:49:24 AM EST
    know but maybe he's taking a break from politics.

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    That would be a good idea... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:40:34 AM EST
    I love my boy Cap'n, too much cable news and politics will drive anyone mad, he was getting a little ornery.

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    Here's why Trump (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:10:32 AM EST
    I'm willing to bet (none / 0) (#47)
    by mm on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:37:25 AM EST
    my house that Donald Trump couldn't describe 3 of the Bill of Rights if you spotted him 2.

    But don't worry, I'm sure Chuck Todd or Anderson Cooper would never dare to put him on the spot.

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    Like many you fail to understand Trump's appeal... (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 11:18:42 PM EST
    It is not what people believe he knows.

    It is what they think he knows.

    This is bolstered by their belief that he will totally disapprove of such despicable actions and dispatch the woman into unemployment

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    Hey Jeralyn... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 10:11:11 AM EST
    your new buddy Action Bronson is getting disinvited from performing at college campuses left and right.

    It's hip to be Tipper Gore now I guess...this "emotional safe space" sh*t is getting out of hand.  Physical safety yeah, a school should try to provide that...your emotions otoh are your f*cking problem kids, check yourselves before you wreck yourselves, and everybody else's good time.

    Long but good piece at Vox (none / 0) (#51)
    by vicndabx on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 11:44:56 AM EST
    Smug Liberalism

    There is a smug style in American liberalism. It has been growing these past decades. It is a way of conducting politics, predicated on the belief that American life is not divided by moral difference or policy divergence -- not really --but by the failure of half the country to know what's good for them.


    This (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 12:21:47 PM EST
    whole primary election watching both D and R has made me realize that if you go far enough right or left you become right or left. You have smug lectures from the Bros on the D side about a "moral" economy and you have a smug lecture on the right about "our rotting culture".

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    Political scientists have pointed that out (none / 0) (#65)
    by christinep on Sun Apr 24, 2016 at 06:37:33 PM EST
    The further right one goes or the further left, the more that person should be expected to resemble what--on the surface--is the polar opposite.  As I remember from those classes of yore: A particular scale, called the F Scale, was used as a measure of authoritarianism (study reported by T. Adorno et al) ... the authoritarian personality was particularly noticeable on both ends of the continuum.  <There is another well-known study about individuals/voters holding clusters of attitudes, etc.  That early study was conducted by the Michigan Survey Research Center ... it is instructive on a number of levels about personality types & clusters of attitudes & voting.)

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    Prince is dead at age 57 (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 12:28:22 PM EST
    Found in his Minnesota home.

    An "overdose of awesomeness" (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by ExPatObserver on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 12:33:17 PM EST
    did him in, was a sweet comment I read at a news site.
    I don't know his music well, but I always liked his music and his style.

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    Oh, no! What a terrible shame. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 02:08:15 PM EST
    Prince was one of the iconic performers and musicians of my college years. Not to jump out too far in front of a developing story, but it sounds like the flu bug he'd been reportedly battling may have turned into something far more serious than had been initially speculated.

    He had to cut short his most recent tour a few days ago after he reportedly got very ill while inflight on his private jet, which had to make an emergency landing in Moline, IL. He was very briefly hospitalized, but was released and allowed to return home to Minneapolis to recuperate.

    Prince Rogers Nelson was only 57. Let this sad occasion serve as a reminder to all of us 50+-somethings to get our flu shots. Influenza is still a potentially deadly virus and let's face it, we're not 22 and invincible anymore.

    Truly heartbreaking.

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    Chyna also found dead (none / 0) (#60)
    by ragebot on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 11:11:56 PM EST