Munich: Lone Shooter, Native German, Killed Himself

By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:00:00 PM EST
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Update: Not ISIS, not any terror group. 18 year old David Ali Sonboly was just another loony teenage wolf acting on his own. He was obsessed with shooting rampages. He had undergone psychiatric treatment. He was depressed. He had been bullied at school. He lived with his family. His parents are Shiite Muslims (the enemy of ISIS which is Sunni) who migrated to Germany. He was a child of migrants, not a migrant hater. His target was kids. He didn't use a long rifle but a handgun, which had been stolen, not acquired lawfully.

So this had no connection to ISIS or Islam and was not motivated by right wing racism or Germany's migrant policy. The media sure got this one wrong.

Bump and Update: Munich police held a press conference on the shootings. There was one shooter and he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Police say he acted alone. He has been identified him as an 18 year old native born German of Iranian descent. He had been in Munich for at least 2 years and was not known to law enforcement. Police say they doubt he was not affiliated with any terrorist group. [More...]

"There are no indications that terrorist groups are connected with, this will work research," he added the head of the Bavarian police.

Once again, the media misreported Islamic terrorist connections and exaggerated the number of shooters before the facts were in.

The U.S. has issued an advisory to stay in place in Munich, due to multiple shooting sites, including one outside a McDonalds and another at the Olympia shopping center.

Munich police say the suspects are still on the run and are telling everyone to stay out of public places.

Reports are that 6 people are dead, including a gunman.

Developing....

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"Allahu akbar" (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 03:40:12 PM EST

translation: "My motives are a mystery."

alternate translation (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by jondee on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 03:44:26 PM EST

I'm a f*cking homicidal lunatic. Peace be upon you.


They are now saying (none / 0) (#8)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 04:22:48 PM EST

It looks just as likely it could be a right wing extremist responsible for the attack.


It (none / 0) (#23)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 06:59:55 AM EST

is looking more and more that way.

The gunman who killed nine people in Munich was obsessed with mass shootings and had an obvious link to Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, German police say.

But, but ... (none / 0) (#25)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 07:22:16 AM EST

I thought his motives were declared obvious because there was a report he supposedly shouted "Allahu Akbar"? I thought it was just the PC police and self-serving politicians who don't realize this.


: From the good book (none / 0) (#26)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 07:46:42 AM EST

Giuliani 9:11
Thou shall shout "radical Islamist terrorism" thrice before the echoes of the gunshot have faded.

Only in (none / 0) (#9)
by TrevorBolder on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 04:25:18 PM EST

The United States


also in Germany, (none / 0) (#19)
by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 10:42:20 PM EST

as Angela Merkel's political fortunes require


My bad (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 05:35:18 AM EST

Hollande of France is no longer "politically correct", enough terrorist attacks in your country will do that to you.
Correct, Merkel is fully invested in the tome of the safe Middle Eastern immigrant, as she had opened the floodgates for poor, war ravaged refugees to enter Europe.

Which ISIS has fully acknowledged taking advantage of.

Perhaps inviting hundreds of thousands disaffected idle youth , without the capacity to assimilate , find employment, was not the best idea. Especially with a ideology like ISIS currently running amok in the world

Well, it appears the Germans have announced it is not a terrorist attack, just a crazy, maladjusted teenager


what a relief (none / 0) (#27)
by The Addams Family on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 08:28:08 AM EST

Not to mention (none / 0) (#28)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 08:55:06 AM EST

... an embarrassment.


embarrasment for you (none / 0) (#69)
by The Addams Family on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:55:10 PM EST

Investigators are now discounting previous statements that the shooter had researched the massacre in Norway by Anders Breivik, which took place on the same day in 2011.

you remind me of the shopkeeper in Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" skit:

No, no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

lol


: Not for me (none / 0) (#73)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:26:19 PM EST

My point wasn't that the shooter was motivated by Brevik, but that we didn't yet know his motives and that there was evidence that contradicted what the Islamaphobes immediately claimed - that he was a fundamentalist Muslim terrorist.
Only one of us should be embarrassed for that silly claim - and it's not me.
Oops!

Who just happens to be of (none / 0) (#36)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:31:12 AM EST

Irainin descent who kills while shouting a favorite phrase of radical islamists.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.


Or, who just happens .... (none / 0) (#37)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:42:34 AM EST

... to just happens to be inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik and chose the anniversary of Breivik's terrorist attack.

Funny how people say "there's nothing to see here" before the facts are known, when it turns out they only want to "see" things that fit their preconceived biases.


You mean like (none / 0) (#38)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 11:41:17 AM EST

terrorist attacking Benghazi on 9/11??

And if you want to claim that Anders Brevik was a religious nut case of the Far Right I will agree.

So you must agree what we have is the same coin but on opposite sides...?

Okay. The question is.... How many of each?

Now the question becomes to which side has the most active members......
"U.S. intelligence estimates that ISIL has a total force of somewhere between 9,000 to 18,000 fighters." In late 2014, the CIA's estimate of ISIL's numbers was slightly higher, as its analysts assessed that the group had between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters between its Iraq and Syria holdings.
Other estimates are far higher. Rami Abdel Rahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, has said that ISIL has more than 50,000 fighters in Syria alone. The chief of the Russian General Staff recently said that Russia estimates ISIL to have "70,000 gunmen of various nationalities." In late August of 2014, Baghdad-based security expert Hisham al-Hashimi claimed that ISIL's total membership could be close to 100,000. By November, Fuad Hussein, the chief of staff to Kurdish president Massoud Barzani, told Patrick Cockburn of The Independent that the CIA's estimates were far too low, and that ISIL had at least 200,000 fighters.

A better question is....why do you carry their water?


I'd say you're carrying water for the Breiviks (none / 0) (#39)
by jondee on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 12:01:24 PM EST

of the world by ham-handedly sabotaging the discussion about the specifics of what occurred in Germany by trying to turn this into another discussion about Islamic extremism.

And no wonder, considering that both you and Breivik have expressed admiration for Breivik's inspiration Pamela Geller..

And many of us remember your buddy Glenn Beck insinuating that the Norwegian victims were Nazis..

Yes Jim, let's change the subject to ISIS and their leftie enablers. Fast.


We know what happened (none / 0) (#44)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 03:28:15 PM EST

So the question is why.

Your bud Yman noted that it is on......

to just happens to be inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik and chose the anniversary of Breivik's terrorist attack.

I agreed. He looks like a nut case.

The question is, was he a radical islamist nut or a radical right wing nut?

So far the only clue we have is that he shouted "Allahu akbar" while committing his heinous crimes.

Some how that seems to narrow the field.

But you can get your bucket and go to the pump.

BTW - Can't we all agree that religious extremism is one of, if not THE one, root causes of these killings?


: We don't know everything that happened (none / 0) (#46)
by jondee on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 04:22:30 PM EST

he was apparently yelling about foreigners; which sounds even more like a homage to the foreigner-hating Breivik (and your "keep 'em all out" political brothers in arms.)
Aside from all that, he sounds like a dangerously unbalanced person who was apparently obsessed with mass murder the way Adam Lanza was.

The best question (none / 0) (#40)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 01:27:35 PM EST

... it's why do you spud the point, which is that we don't yet know what the shooter's motives were. They're is just as much evidence pointing to other motives, yet you sine he's a fundamentalist Muslim extremist.

Why do you always carry water for the terrorists trying to foment war?


We don't know why (none / 0) (#41)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 03:09:13 PM EST

a German with Iranian parents and dual citizenshp killed people while shouting the favorite killing phrase of radical islamist?

Really?? Oh well, if you insist.


Did I stutter? (none / 0) (#42)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 03:19:27 PM EST

Yeah .. much add you pretend to know, you don't. The police have specifically said his motives are not clear, although they have indicated connections to Brevik. Bit to mention the fact that there are also reports he shoutedid "Ich bin ein Deutscher"

But Islamophobia prefer to pretend they know better because it fits their agenda.


Well I am glad to know you are such (none / 0) (#45)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 04:18:22 PM EST

a supporter of the police.

Can we revisit the Ferguson killing and riots?

And he said what he said. That defines his brand of radicalism. You're just angry because we haven't had multiple killings by Right Wing nuts.


He was yelling about foreigners (none / 0) (#47)
by jondee on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 04:28:59 PM EST

it sounds like you, he, and Breivik could get together and pull your levers for Trump on November 5th.


When did he yell about foreigners? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by Redbrow on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:37:02 PM EST

Are you referring to the recorded exchange on the parking ramp?

Maybe you lack the reading comprehension to discern that the muslim terrorist shooter was the target of the "foreigner remarks" made by the german patriot?

The shia muslim shooter did make remarks about being bullied by the sunnis at school and seems to have brought the 1400 year old bloody feud between sunnis and shiites to Munich in addition following Muhammeds command to "slay unbelievers wherever you find them" in general.


I'm liking (none / 0) (#48)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 04:55:36 PM EST

The idea of them getting together and pulling their levers


No,not even close (none / 0) (#59)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:35:11 PM EST

He was yelling about foreigners

Facts be:

Unseen voice: 'F**g Turks!'
Balcony man: 'F*g foreigner'
Balcony man to someone else: 'Ey! He's got a gun! He has loaded his gun. Get the cops here. He's walking around here the w**r!'
Gunman: 'I am German.'
Balcony man: 'You're a w**r is what you are'
Gunman: 'Stop filming!'
Balcony man: 'A w**r is what you are. What the f*k are you doing?'
Gunman: 'Yeah what, I was born here.'

: Don't know why some of it is in bold (none / 0) (#60)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:36:41 PM EST

I didn't select that.

: Gee (none / 0) (#61)
by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:43:11 PM EST

One would think you were there, Anders.
How did you manage to get out alive?

Glad to know you're such a disbeliever (none / 0) (#49)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 08:23:23 PM EST

... when it comes to police. But let's stick to one of your silly claims at a time.

BTW - You have no idea what he said, because there are conflicting reports. But that doesn't stop you from pushing your Islamaphobic garbage.

BTW - Hate to break it to you, but we have had multiple killings by rightwing nuts, right here in the United States. Do you need a list ... again?


The problem you face (none / 0) (#57)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:10:22 PM EST

in your quest for equivalency is that our right wing nut cases are condemned and prosecuted by the government.

OTOH the radical islamists are supported by nation states and ISIS.


Not MY problem (none / 0) (#63)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 01:29:00 PM EST

It's your comparison, and now simply your latest attempt to distract from the fact that you got caught pushing a laughably false claim - again:

Jimakappj -

You're just angry because we haven't had multiple killings by Right Wing nuts.

Oops!


Not MY problem (none / 0) (#64)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 01:29:25 PM EST

Heh (none / 0) (#67)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:20:49 PM EST

Both you and Jondee go into spasms as soon as a terrorist attack happems.

No one can miss it.

I just wonder why.


: I guess we just have (none / 0) (#72)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:18:04 PM EST

... an issue with people posting rightwing, Islamaphobic lies.
BTW - You should look into getting a dictionary. "Spasms" doesn't mean what you think it means.

Or, in any place where people .... (none / 0) (#24)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 07:18:54 AM EST

... know that initial reports are often unreliable and like to have facts and evidence before making conclusions.

Police investigating the Munich shooting rampage say that there is an "obvious" link with Anders Behring Breivik's massacre in Norway, which was carried out exactly five years to the day before Friday's attacks...
The Munich attacker was an 18-year-old student who was born and raised in the city, Munich Police Chief Hubertus Andrae said at a press conference Saturday.
He said the gunman was "not connected with refugees at all." The gunman had received medical treatment for mental issues, a police official said, and investigators are still looking into his mental condition.

YMMV.


Yman and jim (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by fishcamp on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 03:25:52 PM EST

Great to have you back together again.


ah yes (none / 0) (#29)
by The Addams Family on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 08:58:13 AM EST

a "link" as "obvious' as the one between Dylann Roof & Nathan Bedford Forrest

because it's not as if the German police would ever lie about anything, like those 1,200 sexual assaults on New Year's Eve

#evidence


It's (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:05:55 AM EST

funny how the right wing always accuse leo of lying when their statements do not fit the preferred narrative.


"narrative" (none / 0) (#31)
by The Addams Family on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:35:11 AM EST

heh

look in the mirror

with a practical limit of 200 comments per thread, i won't engage you further, so please do have the last word before reburying your nose in your "evidence"-based "narrative," & your head in the sand

BTW, if you meant to insinuate that i am a right-winger, maybe you don't realize that normal people don't associate that label with registered Democrats in Oakland, or maybe it's just too threatening that a registered Democrat from Oakland doesn't buy the pusillanimous "narrative" du jour

the German people await their lecture on gun control


You (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by FlJoe on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:49:46 AM EST

are the one who accused the German police of lying with zero evidence, just some ideological gut feeling or something.

Jeralyn has provided plenty of bandwidth for us to discuss many issues this weekend, so don't use that as an excuse to bail on your intellectually undefensible arguments.

I am sure glad I am being attacked

for reburying your nose in your "evidence"-based "narrative,"

ooh that stings! Actual "evidence" oh the horror!


Its not as if (none / 0) (#52)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:01:40 AM EST

They haven't before. There seems to be a concerted effort in Europe to shield Muslim immigrants the publicity surrounding their crimes.
Also England...Rotherham
Sweden http://tinyurl.com/zxz6azv

It's not only Germany that covers up mass sex attacks by migrant men... Sweden's record is shameful
Stockholm police were warned not to give descriptions of the perpetrators lest they were accused of being racist

Wash Post

LONDON -- At first, there was complete silence from officials. As rumors spread on social media, police had nothing to say about allegations of mass sexual assaults and other crimes carried out on New Year's Eve in the German city of Cologne.
It was only days later that officials reported that hundreds of women were victims of assault in Cologne, Hamburg and other German cities.
But numbers that are now emerging are likely to shock a country still coming to terms with what happened in Cologne more than half a year ago. According to a leaked police document, published by Germany's Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper and broadcasters NDR and WDR, the previous estimates have to be dramatically revised -- upward.
[Why it took half a year for the full extent of the New Year's Eve assaults in Germany to be known]
Authorities now think that on New Year's Eve, more than 1,200 women were sexually assaulted in various German cities, including more than 600 in Cologne and about 400 in Hamburg.
More than 2,000 men were allegedly involved, and 120 suspects -- about half of them foreign nationals who had only recently arrived in Germany -- have been identified.
Only four have been convicted, but more trials are underway.
On Thursday, a court in Cologne sentenced two men in the New Year's Eve assaults. Hussein A., a 21-year-old Iraqi, and Hassan T., a 26-year-old Algerian, were handed suspended one-year sentences. Both arrived in Germany in the past two years, a court spokesman said. He declined to specify whether the two had sought asylum.

Why (none / 0) (#53)
by FlJoe on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:28:03 AM EST

change the subject? We are talking about a mass murder event not the reporting of sexual assaults(of which we also do a sucky job).

As far as I can tell, most of the European police agencies are pretty upfront about the reasons for these attacks. For example: they quickly linked the recent axe attack to ISIS.


Uhmmmm ... that's not evidence (none / 0) (#54)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:22:17 AM EST

... that the police are lying about the motives of the Munich shooter.

Try again.


No one (none / 0) (#55)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:27:49 AM EST

Said it was

Just evidence that European police are protective, and will withhold the facts of crimes involving of certain ethnic groups, for whatever reason.

So many, myself included, are not convinced with their initial press reports. In all cases concerning certain ethic groups


: Ohhhhhhhh .... (none / 0) (#56)
by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:54:08 AM EST

... so you weren't trying to suggest they were lying in THIS case - the one being discussed.
Heh.
From ridiculing the idea that the shooter's motives weren't yet known and suggesting that "only in the United States" would anyone make such a suggestion, to backpedaling away from suggesting the German police were lying in THIS case.
That's a lot of progress in a day-and-a-half.

That's funny stuff (none / 0) (#33)
by Yman on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:44:06 AM EST

A baseless conspiracy theory implying that the German police are lying, followed by "#evidence".

... and you weren't even trying to be funny.


Thanks for the laugh (none / 0) (#35)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:27:41 AM EST

Dark news (none / 0) (#1)
by Redbrow on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 02:13:00 PM EST

Dark news indeed.

: Dark times... (none / 0) (#10)
by NycNate on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 07:23:26 PM EST

Way too early (none / 0) (#2)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 02:31:29 PM EST

to say what is going on. First reports were 1 dead, then 6, and now 15.

Germany's Muencher Abendzeitung reported that the death toll was higher, with up to 15 people killed in the incident at the Olympia Einkaufszentrum shopping centre.

: no there were 10 (none / 0) (#13)
by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:24:20 PM EST

people killed, including the shooter

Social media (none / 0) (#3)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 02:33:58 PM EST

is reporting ISIS is celebrating while FOX news says there are reports it is a right wing attack with one of the shooters shouting "fook foreigners".

CNN reporting (none / 0) (#4)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 02:43:04 PM EST

one shooter shouted "Allah Akbar". The source was the mother of a child who was in the toilet with the shooter and when they came out the mother said children were being targeted.


: no confirmation (none / 0) (#14)
by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:24:54 PM EST

this is accurate

please don't post (none / 0) (#15)
by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:25:34 PM EST

rumors here from social media


Not social media (none / 0) (#16)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:43:59 PM EST

The Daily Mail is a large news paper in UK.

Witnesses said that the shopping centre gunman screamed 'I'm German' and 'Allahu Akbar' before shooting

The witness was on CNN saying the same thing.


your comment read (none / 0) (#20)
by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 12:50:32 AM EST

Social media (#3)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 01:33:58 PM MDT
is reporting ISIS is celebrating while FOX news says there are reports it is a right wing attack with one of the shooters shouting "fook foreigners".

: Poor wording on my part (none / 0) (#32)
by ragebot on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:37:43 AM EST

What I was trying to say is that both FOX and CNN were reporting that ISIS was on social media celebrating the attack and contrasting that with other reports that the shooter was claiming to be a German.
While I agree with you that social media may have credibility problems the point the news outlets were trying to make is ISIS was trying to take credit for the attack on social media. While it now seems the shooter (and other recent terrorists) had no direct connection with ISIS this has not seemed to stop ISIS from taking credit for their actions.

CNN interview (none / 0) (#17)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:06:18 PM EST

with witness saying shooter said "Allah Akbar"

While CNN often gets bashed as the Clinton News Network from one side and going too far in attacking Hillary from the other side I don't know anyone who would define it as social media.


These sorts of attacks (none / 0) (#7)
by pitachips on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 04:19:50 PM EST

Can not be prevented and will only continue throughout Europe. If there is another attack within France, as is essentially guaranteed, the right wing is going to win huge in upcoming elections. They have already started publicly congratulating the Brexit vote. Some tough times for the E.U. coming up.

Yes, they could have been (none / 0) (#58)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:29:04 PM EST

prevented IF the massive Muslim immigration, extending over the past 40 years, had been blocked.

But as I write this:

Police say a Syrian refugee killed a woman with a

machete and wounded two others outside a bus station in the southwestern German city of Reutlingen before being arrested.
According to police, there is no indication that the killing was a terrorist attack.

Of course not. How could we even think such things?


What's to stop any terrorist (none / 0) (#62)
by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:54:39 PM EST

with half a brain and intent wreaking mayhem, from claiming to be a christian convert?


Correct (none / 0) (#65)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 01:31:40 PM EST

Anyone may claim anything they want,

But unfortunately, nowadays,

Everyone also has an on line footprint, and those claims may be verified, or proven false


So they spend a couple of years (none / 0) (#66)
by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 02:03:03 PM EST

praising Jesus and renouncing any form of violence online, creating what the CIA used to call a "legend"..

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Just because they're vicious doesn't mean they're completely stupid.


: Correct again (none / 0) (#70)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:51:44 PM EST

A legend created over several years will enable a determined ideological driven person to evade normal detection nets.
You would only be able to unwind the yarn of thread after their terrorist action and see through their legend, after they accomplished their goal. (Sleeper cells)
But for the newly converted, they still have a on line footprint

You didn't mean to (none / 0) (#68)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:23:57 PM EST

but you just pointed out the problem we have with vetting.

My congratulations.


Latest (none / 0) (#11)
by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 07:55:02 PM EST

An 18-year-old Iranian from Munich is thought to have been the gunman who shot nine dead and injured 10 others before killing himself, police said.

Munich police chief Hubertus Andraes said at a news conference that the attacker's motive was still "fully unclear."

Reports of him claiming to be a German and also shouting "Allah Akbar" seem more reasonable after this report.

: Is This A First? (none / 0) (#18)
by RickyJim on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:47:29 PM EST

I haven't been able to find a reference to a terrorist attack in Europe or the US done by somebody of Iranian national origin. Of course Iran has been backing terrorists of other nationalities for a long time.

germany is pretty liberal (none / 0) (#12)
by linea on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:20:07 PM EST

but i don't believe "native born german" with non-citizen 'rents is really a thing. few countries do that. i believe a child born in germany of non-citizen 'rents can apply for citizenship when they are 21 (or something) and then they need to go through the full process. but i'm not all that familiar with germany. but i think i'm pretty much correct.

he had dual (none / 0) (#21)
by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 12:55:19 AM EST

citizenship according to police
He was born in Germany, and resided in Germany. I don't know where his parents were born. Here's wikipedia on German citizenship.


: Did you also rad up on iran (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by Redbrow on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:41:06 PM EST

Citizenship as well?
It appears they do not actually recognize dual citizenships so it seems most likey that his father was an Iranian citizen by birth in order for his son to be recognized as an Iranian citzen by birth.